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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Top notch calibrators and even Stacey Spears, maker of the Spears & Munsil calibration disk says the same. HDMI-2 is inferior for video using cheesy interpolation algorithms like Nearest Neighbor(simple pixel replication which produces jaggies easily) which produces Chroma misalignment. 

HDMI-1 uses Bi-linear interpolation which is much superior with no chroma errors and minimal artifacts. If you want to know more, you can get the new S&M ver 2 disk and run the test patterns. You'll either cry or get elated at how your TV performs:) !

I have just ordered the S&M-2 disc from Amazon.com and eagerly look forward to putting my equipment through its paces.

Have a tissue handy or a tall glass of wine to celebratesmile.gif ...I had more tissues than wine when I tested my setup!

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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Several users have noticed that HDMI-1 looks a lot sharper after the latest beta firmware. You might have to try to for yourself and decide.

Sharper, but is the DNR actually turned off, or just reduced? Is it as sharp as HDMI 2?
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Yes it does...but to what degree as compared to the 103/105, we do not know since they use the same video processor.rolleyes.gif

I would go back to the BDP-83 if it did 3D. frown.gif
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Finding a tempest is easy. Who is going to bring the tea post? eek.gif
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Finding a tempest is easy. Who is going to bring the tea post? eek.gif

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This thread is massive so my apologies if I'm repeating something that has probably been answered a million times before. Is there anyway to randomize or shuffle a photo slideshow and also select some music for playback as well? I'm slightly confused as to how to make this work on my setup.
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

. Is there anyway to randomize or shuffle a photo slideshow and also select some music for playback as well? I'm slightly confused as to how to make this work on my setup.

pp46 and 47 in the current owner's manual.
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I have the OPPO BDP-103 with a Samsung 65" LCD/LED & BenQ W1080ST projector - - 100" Diagonal screen.

None of my TV's are "4K." I also use the Darbee Darblet.

So my question is this - - with a 4K mastered Bluray disc - - can you see any difference in the PQ with a non 4K setup?
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I have the OPPO BDP-103 with a Samsung 65" LCD/LED & BenQ W1080ST projector - - 100" Diagonal screen.

None of my TV's are "4K." I also use the Darbee Darblet.

So my question is this - - with a 4K mastered Bluray disc - - can you see any difference in the PQ with a non 4K setup?

You're asking about the discs themselves? They are different masters so there may be differences from earlier versions. If you follow the reviews at http://www.highdefdigest.com/ they say the improvement is often negligible, since the originals were already pretty good.

Note that "mastered in 4k" has been going on for years; the recent hoopla is a Sony marketing effort. Which seems to be working for them.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I have the OPPO BDP-103 with a Samsung 65" LCD/LED & BenQ W1080ST projector - - 100" Diagonal screen.

None of my TV's are "4K." I also use the Darbee Darblet.

So my question is this - - with a 4K mastered Bluray disc - - can you see any difference in the PQ with a non 4K setup?

I think you can, if it's just because of a better scan than the original, and more care taken in the transfer - higher bit rate, etc. You can see the difference in movies like Lawrence of Arabia, Cleopatra, etc.

It's no guarantee, since it depends on how much effort the studio puts into it. So because of the ancillary stuff, I think so - it can produce a better 1080p bluray.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

pp46 and 47 in the current owner's manual.

Yes I read that buy it didn't really answer my questions. So I figured I'd post it here.
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

Yes I read that buy it didn't really answer my questions. So I figured I'd post it here.

What is the source for your music & pictures?

From page 46-47 of the manual:

-Play in random sequence: BLUE color button

-Adding Background Music
You can also add background music to the photo slideshow. To do so, you will need to prepare digital music files. The music files can be stored on the same disk as the photos, or on a different USB drive. Start music playback first by selecting Music from the Home Menu. Once the music is playing, press the HOME button to get back to the Home Menu, and start the photo slideshow by selecting Photo in the usual manner.
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Originally Posted by Manic_D View Post

What is the source for your music & pictures?

From page 46-47 of the manual:

-Play in random sequence: BLUE color button

-Adding Background Music
You can also add background music to the photo slideshow. To do so, you will need to prepare digital music files. The music files can be stored on the same disk as the photos, or on a different USB drive. Start music playback first by selecting Music from the Home Menu. Once the music is playing, press the HOME button to get back to the Home Menu, and start the photo slideshow by selecting Photo in the usual manner.

Thanks so much. My photos are from a USB drive. I really appreciate you pointing that out to me. I'm not really feeling too well today so I guess I missed it. I did see the bit about the background music.
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Top notch calibrators and even Stacey Spears, maker of the Spears & Munsil calibration disk says the same. HDMI-2 is inferior for video using cheesy interpolation algorithms like Nearest Neighbor(simple pixel replication which produces jaggies easily) which produces Chroma misalignment. 

HDMI-1 uses Bi-linear interpolation which is much superior with no chroma errors and minimal artifacts. If you want to know more, you can get the new S&M ver 2 disk and run the test patterns. You'll either cry or get elated at how your TV performs:) !

How does that affect YCbCr 4:2:2 output ?

I guess the decoder must be using a similar "cheesy" algorithm to generate at least 4:2:2 to supply the QDEO. I wonder how this differs from using HDMI 2 to output YCbCr 4:2:2 to a downstream device that use more sophisticated interpolation algorithms ?

It also seems a bit odd that Oppo use the MediaTek SoC for all de-interlacing and scaling (to 1080) rather the QDEO yet it appear offer such a basic algorithm.
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Originally Posted by dazzerxxx View Post

It also seems a bit odd that Oppo use the MediaTek SoC for all de-interlacing and scaling (to 1080) rather the QDEO yet it appear offer such a basic algorithm.
It does. At the same time it's not too surprising. Each successive generation of MediaTek SOC has built on the previous one and added performance capabilities previously only available in dedicated secondary processors. It wouldn't surprise me to see the advantage of a secondary processor eliminated in the next generation of SOC (or two).

In the interim, both the MediaTek and Qdeo have their strengths and weaknesses and the Oppo engineers have designed the 103 to use the strengths of each. The Mediatek SOC does the fundamental decoding and de-interlacing (a Qdeo weakness) while the Qdeo handles the rest. Win-win.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Note that "mastered in 4k" has been going on for years; the recent hoopla is a Sony marketing effort. Which seems to be working for them.

-Bill
Indeed... And I guess it wont be long until we see the term... "Mastered in 8K" wink.gif
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I agree .. no one (to my knowledge) has reviewed the quality of the HDMI inputs. Since its the first BR player to have these type of inputs, reviewers probably didn't know what to do with them and with time constraints, they simply skipped them. Hardly any tested the quality of the headphone amplifier, with the exception of Secrets of Home Theatre and at that just a listening review, which I guess is fine. A few tested the USB dac and coaxial/optical inputs. Again Secrets did this as well plus maybe a few others.

While prima facie (as they say) there is no reason to assume that the HDMI inputs on the Oppo would be inferior in any way, I believe it boils down to this: If you believe or know (from experiments or otherwise)

(a) that your display has a better video processor than the Oppo, and/or

(b) that Oppo´s picture adjustment controls are no better than those of your display, and/or

(c) that the signal passing through one more HDMI cable and the associated connectors (not to speak of additional electronic circuitry) has an adverse effect (which is of course a controversial subject)

then obviously the source (e.g., streaming device or cable TV box) should not be routed via the Oppo. - With my setup (Sony 2012 top-of-the-range TV), I do prefer using the Oppo´s input rather than going direct.
Edited by OPPOrtunist - 6/8/13 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Indeed... And I guess it wont be long until we see the term... "Mastered in 8K" wink.gif

Try the new Cleopatra Blu Ray if you wish to see an 8K mastered. The quality makes Avatar look average.
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Originally Posted by billtsag View Post

Has anyone successfully managed to make SMB sharing work with Windows 8 yet? Still no joy with the latest firmware here..

I've skimmed through many smb posts and would like to verify a few things.

1. Does it work with Win 8?

My current PC Name: PC-Boe
My Current Workgroup: Workgroup
Windows Logon: Boe


So I've tried a few things when trying to access SMB on my Oppo e.g. PC-Boe\Boe for user name, I've tried just Boe and used my windows password but it does not seem to connect although it does list it.

Any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by HDPERSON View Post

Try the new Cleopatra Blu Ray if you wish to see an 8K mastered. The quality makes Avatar look average.

There seems to be some confusion regarding "8k mastered". Some sources say it´s scanned in 8k, and that the final result is equivalent to 4k because the original film is 70 mm, rather than the normal 35 mm.
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Boe, have you tried granting, on a folder by folder basis, access/sharing rights to "Everyone" as discussed earlier in this thread. That seems to be the solution.

It may be in the policy settings, I can't recall exactly.
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Originally Posted by HDPERSON View Post

Try the new Cleopatra Blu Ray if you wish to see an 8K mastered. The quality makes Avatar look average.
No surprise really. Given that Avatar is a mostly a CGI creation, it's pixel count can't get anywhere near that of a 35mm film scan, let alone a 70mm film scan...
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Indeed... And I guess it wont be long until we see the term... "Mastered in 8K" wink.gif

Baraka - "Filmed in 65mm and painstakingly and lovingly restored with an 8k UltraDigital HD Process, the film represents the current zenith of Blu-ray picture quality." Released on Blu-Ray October 28, 2008.
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The "Wizard of Oz" (1939), 3D botox facelift, re-release due out this October is also based on an 8K scan.

Of course what's actually on the Blu-ray disc is still only 1920x1080p (i.e, 2K).
--Bob
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This is my first time running on the beta firmware via usb but when Oppo release the official firmware, will my player still prompt me that there's a new firmware via internet or will I have to download the official fimware on the usb again like the beta.
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I've skimmed through many smb posts and would like to verify a few things.

1. Does it work with Win 8?

My current PC Name: PC-Boe
My Current Workgroup: Workgroup
Windows Logon: Boe


So I've tried a few things when trying to access SMB on my Oppo e.g. PC-Boe\Boe for user name, I've tried just Boe and used my windows password but it does not seem to connect although it does list it.

Any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by ed1 View Post

Boe, have you tried granting, on a folder by folder basis, access/sharing rights to "Everyone" as discussed earlier in this thread. That seems to be the solution.

It may be in the policy settings, I can't recall exactly.

I've yet to see anyone report WIN 8 working. I believe Oppo has also confirmed that it doesn't work.
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Originally Posted by airborn007 View Post

This is my first time running on the beta firmware via usb but when Oppo release the official firmware, will my player still prompt me that there's a new firmware via internet or will I have to download the official fimware on the usb again like the beta.

In the past switching between beta and production (either direction) required a manual install: via usb or disc, not by network.

There were reports a while ago of people getting around this with network-only upgrades from beta to production, but I'm not sure if that is always available.

-Bill
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Thanks to all that responded on the 4K "mastering" Bluray question. I do know that all transfers are not the same and that there are some Bluray discs that look better than others - - at least from what I've experienced, PQ wise, without a 4K TV.

So - - I think the only way to tell for sure is to purchase a "remastered" disc and see if my eyes can tell the difference.

My experience with HDTV (Satellite) and Bluray leads me to believe that the better the disc reproduction, the better the PQ. That's why Bluray looks better to me than my Satellite (Directv) picture - - at least on my projector - - and it's probably due to compression. It's not as noticeable on my 65" LCD/LED TV.

Lots of great suggestions on 4K (8K?) Bluray discs so I'll see what's out there and try it on my HT setup.
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Originally Posted by OPPOrtunist View Post

There seems to be some confusion regarding "8k mastered". Some sources say it´s scanned in 8k, and that the final result is equivalent to 4k because the original film is 70 mm, rather than the normal 35 mm.

I like your moniker "OPPOrtunist", it is cool. If you buy Cleo, you will be stunned at the perfection and depth. I was also stunned by the montage small movie made with a 5K red camera on my Spears and Munsil disc.
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Originally Posted by HDPERSON View Post

I like your moniker "OPPOrtunist", it is cool. If you buy Cleo, you will be stunned at the perfection and depth. I was also stunned by the montage small movie made with a 5K red camera on my Spears and Munsil disc.

Thanks! - The video quality of Cleopatra has indeed won top marks from virtually all reviewers that count. Sadly, the same is not true of the movie itself, but I infer that the picture quality alone makes it a necessary purchase.
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

In the past switching between beta and production (either direction) required a manual install: via usb or disc, not by network.

There were reports a while ago of people getting around this with network-only upgrades from beta to production, but I'm not sure if that is always available.

-Bill
Thanks Bill and if the network doesn't prompt me then usb it is.
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