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Originally Posted by JohnWMorgan View Post

Frankly, a lot of these posts on the Oppo, I can’t understand. I am a neophyte. But I am hoping someone can advise me on a few settings that I may have wrong. My home theater system was installed about 5 years ago. My initial blu-ray player was the Pioneer BDP-05FD and I was very pleased. A couple of years ago, my Pioneer would not accept the firmware update, even with an official disc, so I sent the machine in for repair. It cost about $300, so when it started having trouble a couple months ago, I decided to go with the OPPO 103. I am very happy with the fast load times, the up conversion, etc.

I am not connected to the internet, have little interest in 3D at the moment, and use the Oppo mostly for Blu-Rays, DVDs and DVD-Rs, as well as the SACD and DVD-Audio discs.

Here is a list of the pertinent equipment I have hooked up in my system:

Blu-Ray Player: Oppo BDP-103

Receiver: Denon AVR3808CI

Projector: JVC DLA-HD1 1080p Projector
[light bulb change, George Meyer (310) 820-1113]

Screen: Stewart Ultramatte (103”)

Since I have everything going through the HMDI cables, it was easy to simply remove the Pioneer and replace it with the Oppo. So I used the HMDI 1 output on the Oppo with HMDI 1.3 which sends both sound and picture to my receiver. I am set up for 5.1 sound, so on the OPPO, I have the down conversion set to 5.1 sound.

Although everything looks and sounds great, I just want to make sure I have the optimum settings set on my OPPO. (I have bit stream chosen for the sound output.)
I did the recent firmware upgrade.

Here are the settings I am unclear about:

1080p24 set for output. I have this ON and not the AUTO or OFF, although I see some posts about the 60HZ being used by some.

Color Space I have AUTO chosen.

Deep Color I have 36 Bits chosen, but wonder if it should be lower for the Denon receiver. My Denon manual mentions 30 Bit and Deep Color capable, so I wonder if I need to change this.

The above 3 are the ones I can’t quite figure out.
Thanks…
John

For the 1080p/24 setting, use AUTO or OFF. The ON setting is provided for the weird case of some projectors out there which work just fine with 1080p/24 input, but fail to publish that during the HDMI handshake. 1080p/24 ON works like AUTO (i.e., it will only output 1080p/24 if the content is 1080p/24 -- which includes DVD 24p Conversion) but ignores the Display's bogus handshake info saying it doesn't know how to handle 1080p/24 input.

Making the output choices is tricky because both AVRs and Displays sometimes have quirks (read "bugs") which screw up different format combos. In general it is best to set an explicit choice for Color Space instead of AUTO, but AUTO is a "safe" setting until you have a chance to experiment. Among other things, an explicit choice simplifies the HDMI handshake. If your Denon won't accept 36-bit input, that will be discovered during the HDMI handshake and less than 36-bits will be used automatically despite your setting. But using Deep Color 30 or 36 bits should only be done if you see an improvement in the video, since they put more bandwidth on the HDMI cable, which increases the chances of handshake problems.

Here's a recent post I made on one way to try to spot which format combos are screwing up (discard those) and to compare the rest to see if you can spot any reason to prefer one combo over the others:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/9360#post_23372963

You can include the choice of 1080p/24 AUTO vs. OFF in the combos you are checking when playing that test scene. If you don't spot a reason to prefer 1080p/24 OFF, then use 1080p/24 AUTO because, again, it puts less bandwidth on the cable than the 1080p/60 which would be output with it OFF.
--Bob
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What does SOURCE DIRECT really do?

I have a collection of bluray mkvs consisting of 1080p and 720p rips all stored in a 3tb usb drive connected directly to the oppo103. I use mediainfo (windows 7) to verify the resolution (pixel dimensions) of the files themselves. The oppo103 is set to split AV---hdmi1 to projector, hdmi2 to AVR. I can then bring up the info screen display of the oppo (during playback) to check the resolution output thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
While going through my collection of mkvs (playing each file in source direct mode and checking the oppo's info screen display), I've encountered the following:
1. All 1080p mkvs are reported as 1080p24 resolution (which is accurate) thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
2. A couple 720p mkvs being reported as 720p60 (which is accurate) thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
3. One single 720p mkv is reported as 480i60 which is also confirmed by the quality of the image on screen.
4. Over a dozen 720p mkvs being reported as 1080p24 thru both hdmi ports.

Can anyone who is intimately familiar with the oppo103 offer an explanation for the discrepancies evidenced in 3 and 4. Which info is the more reliable--mediainfo or the oppo's info screen?
What exactly is happening when the oppo playbacks a 720p mkv (e.g. does it upconvert 720p to 1080p in SOURCE DIRECT mode)?

BTW, this is not a complaint..rather I'm trying to acquire some insight and understanding as to the discrepancies in the information being reported between mediainfo (windows 7) and the oppo103 in regards to my mkvs particularly 720p mkvs. I really luv my oppo smile.gif
post #9753 of 16385
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Originally Posted by rexdragon View Post

What does SOURCE DIRECT really do?

I have a collection of bluray mkvs consisting of 1080p and 720p rips all stored in a 3tb usb drive connected directly to the oppo103. I use mediainfo (windows 7) to verify the resolution (pixel dimensions) of the files themselves. The oppo103 is set to split AV---hdmi1 to projector, hdmi2 to AVR. I can then bring up the info screen display of the oppo (during playback) to check the resolution output thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
While going through my collection of mkvs (playing each file in source direct mode and checking the oppo's info screen display), I've encountered the following:
1. All 1080p mkvs are reported as 1080p24 resolution (which is accurate) thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
2. A couple 720p mkvs being reported as 720p60 (which is accurate) thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
3. One single 720p mkv is reported as 480i60 which is also confirmed by the quality of the image on screen.
4. Over a dozen 720p mkvs being reported as 1080p24 thru both hdmi ports.

Can anyone who is intimately familiar with the oppo103 offer an explanation for the discrepancies evidenced in 3 and 4. Which info is the more reliable--mediainfo or the oppo's info screen?
What exactly is happening when the oppo playbacks a 720p mkv (e.g. does it upconvert 720p to 1080p in SOURCE DIRECT mode)?

BTW, this is not a complaint..rather I'm trying to acquire some insight and understanding as to the discrepancies in the information being reported between mediainfo (windows 7) and the oppo103 in regards to my mkvs particularly 720p mkvs. I really luv my oppo smile.gif

For each of the 720p files, look at the actual pixel resolution of the file, and it's frame rate. I suspect we can find the pattern from those two factors.

Try mkvinfo (which is part of the mkvmerge package) instead of mediainfo. MKV has two pairs of pixel dimension: the storage dimensions and the display dimensions. I recall the mediainfo shows only one pair and mkvinfo shows both.

-Bill
post #9754 of 16385
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Originally Posted by rexdragon View Post

What does SOURCE DIRECT really do?

I have a collection of bluray mkvs consisting of 1080p and 720p rips all stored in a 3tb usb drive connected directly to the oppo103. I use mediainfo (windows 7) to verify the resolution (pixel dimensions) of the files themselves. The oppo103 is set to split AV---hdmi1 to projector, hdmi2 to AVR. I can then bring up the info screen display of the oppo (during playback) to check the resolution output thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
While going through my collection of mkvs (playing each file in source direct mode and checking the oppo's info screen display), I've encountered the following:
1. All 1080p mkvs are reported as 1080p24 resolution (which is accurate) thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
2. A couple 720p mkvs being reported as 720p60 (which is accurate) thru both hdmi1 and hdmi2.
3. One single 720p mkv is reported as 480i60 which is also confirmed by the quality of the image on screen.
4. Over a dozen 720p mkvs being reported as 1080p24 thru both hdmi ports.

Can anyone who is intimately familiar with the oppo103 offer an explanation for the discrepancies evidenced in 3 and 4. Which info is the more reliable--mediainfo or the oppo's info screen?
What exactly is happening when the oppo playbacks a 720p mkv (e.g. does it upconvert 720p to 1080p in SOURCE DIRECT mode)?

BTW, this is not a complaint..rather I'm trying to acquire some insight and understanding as to the discrepancies in the information being reported between mediainfo (windows 7) and the oppo103 in regards to my mkvs particularly 720p mkvs. I really luv my oppo smile.gif

The HDMI spec does not allow 720p/24 on the HDMI cable.

So if you try to play a 720p/24 file in Source Direct either the resolution or the frame rate has to change. The 103/105 preserve the frame rate if the frame rate is the precise spec for 1080p output -- so you get 1080p/24. For 720p content on Blu-ray discs (rare, but out there), this is what will happen. Media Files, on the other hand are the wild west, with frame rates that can vary in odd ways from the HDMI specs. For those I expect you will get 720p/60 output, just as you will if the file is actually 720p/60 to begin with. Your 480i/60 case is an oddball. We'd need to see the MediaInfo report on it to get some idea what's odd about it.
--Bob
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post #9756 of 16385
Where else can you save $115,000 and get free shipping too? tongue.gif
post #9757 of 16385
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

So if you try to play a 720p/24 file in Source Direct either the resolution or the frame rate has to change. The 103/105 preserve the frame rate if the frame rate is the precise spec for 1080p output -- so you get 1080p/24. For 720p content on Blu-ray discs (rare, but out there), this is what will happen. Media Files, on the other hand are the wild west, with frame rates that can vary in odd ways from the HDMI specs. For those I expect you will get 720p/60 output, just as you will if the file is actually 720p/60 to begin with. Your 480i/60 case is an oddball. We'd need to see the MediaInfo report on it to get some idea what's odd about it.
--Bob

So from what you said above in bold, the oppo103 is reporting 1080p24 resolution (on the info screen during playback in Source Direct mode) for a 720p mkv as a result from preserving the frame rate (24) which fits inline with 1080p output---the oppo103 is not actually performing any upconversion (720p--->1080p) per se? confused.gif
post #9758 of 16385
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Originally Posted by rexdragon View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

So if you try to play a 720p/24 file in Source Direct either the resolution or the frame rate has to change. The 103/105 preserve the frame rate if the frame rate is the precise spec for 1080p output -- so you get 1080p/24. For 720p content on Blu-ray discs (rare, but out there), this is what will happen. Media Files, on the other hand are the wild west, with frame rates that can vary in odd ways from the HDMI specs. For those I expect you will get 720p/60 output, just as you will if the file is actually 720p/60 to begin with. Your 480i/60 case is an oddball. We'd need to see the MediaInfo report on it to get some idea what's odd about it.
--Bob

So from what you said above in bold, the oppo103 is reporting 1080p24 resolution (on the info screen during playback in Source Direct mode) for a 720p mkv as a result from preserving the frame rate (24) which fits inline with 1080p output---the oppo103 is not actually performing any upconversion (720p--->1080p) per se? confused.gif

As I said, you can't output 720p/24 on HDMI -- it's not a format included in the HDMI specs. Either the resolution or frame rate has to change -- i.e., either 720p/60 or 1080p/24. Last I checked, Source Direct preserves the frame rate of /24 so the thing that gives is the resolution -- upscaled to 1080p.
--Bob
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^^^^ thanks so much for your insightful input. It explains a LOT really in regards with whats happening with playback of my 720p mkv rips. smile.gif
post #9760 of 16385
Hmmm...

I've just tried playing a some 1280x720p24 files with the Oppo set to 'Source Direct' and directly connected to my Panasonic TV.

When playing 1280x720p24 .M2TS and .MP4 contained muxes, my Panasonic TV reports 720p and the Oppo reports 24.000Hz.

However, when playing 1280x720p24 .MKV contained muxes, my Panasonic TV reports 720p and the Oppo reports 23.976Hz


Cheers
post #9761 of 16385
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Hmmm...

I've just tried playing a some 1280x720p24 files with the Oppo set to 'Source Direct' and directly connected to my Panasonic TV.

When playing 1280x720p24 .M2TS and .MP4 contained muxes, my Panasonic TV reports 720p and the Oppo reports 24.000Hz.

However, when playing 1280x720p24 .MKV contained muxes, my Panasonic TV reports 720p and the Oppo reports 23.976Hz


Cheers

Bring up the on-screen Info in the OPPO and use Page Up/Down to change the info displayed and you will see what is being output on the HDMI connections.
--Bob
post #9762 of 16385
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Bring up the on-screen Info in the OPPO and use Page Up/Down to change the info displayed and you will see what is being output on the HDMI connections.
--Bob
Hi Bob,

It reports - HDMI 1: 720p@60Hz 4:4:4 24b

Which still begs the question. Why does the main 'info' screen report '24.000Hz' for AVI, M2TS, MP4 and .MOV contained files. And 23.976Hz for .MKV contained files?

I can provide (7zip) samples if others want to test?


Cheers
post #9763 of 16385
^ Likely because that's actually what's in them. This should be no surprise. Media files can be encoded in many ways, not all of which match what HDMI likes to think of as "normal".

My understanding is if the actual frame rate is not something "normal" for 1080p, then the frame rate can't be preserved so the alternate approach is taken -- preserve the 720p resolution and change the frame rate to /60.

To understand the mysteries of all this you need to dig into what's actually in each such confusing file. The MediaInfo utility is what's usually recommended.
--Bob
post #9764 of 16385
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Hi Bob,

It reports - HDMI 1: 720p@60Hz 4:4:4 24b

Which still begs the question. Why does the main 'info' screen report '24.000Hz' for AVI, M2TS, MP4 and .MOV contained files. And 23.976Hz for .MKV contained files?

I can provide (7zip) samples if others want to test?


Cheers

Contact OPPO and offer them sample files. It's possible there is a bug in detecting the frame rate in certain containers, or in reporting it on screen. The sounds like an info display problem, not an actual video signal issue.

I know of another such bug: the file browser currently shows 29.970hz files as 29.000, but the On Screen Display itself is correct when actually playing the file.

-Bill
post #9765 of 16385
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by Kazz063 View Post

I have been running my 103/AU with split a/v but since the BDP10X-38-1220 f/w I've had lip/sync issues, I thought with the addition of the audio delay settings in the BDP10X-50-0422 f/w I would be able to solve the problem.
This is not the case however, I find I have to adjust the setting between different discs and on some discs no matter what I set the deay to it's still out of sync. Last night I decided to try running the 103 out of HDMI 1 only and the lip/sync problem is gone.
While this has solved the problem for now, it is not how I want to run my setup, has anyone else found the same problem?

First of all, for best results on A/V sync, move to the Public Beta 0522B firmware if you can (I don't know if it is out yet for the AU version players).

Second, A/V sync problems in a two HDMI cable configuration (Split A/V) are often due to the AVR "helpfully" adding varying amounts of audio delay because the AVR has no way of knowing it has been bypassed for video. I.e., it is trying to correct for its own video processing delay, even though that's not actually needed. How you get any given AVR to stop doing that varies by model. For example, look for a way to either disable its video output, or to set HDMI video to "pass through" so that it knows it is not being called on to do video processing. Also, disable any setting related to Automatic Lip Sync correction.

When testing this, be sure to use a disc of known A/V sync quality. Sync errors in the actual content on disc are far more common than most people realize -- until they go looking carefully for test cases and start finding problems. I recommend the A/V Sync chart found on Disney's "WOW World of Wonder" calibration Blu-ray.
--Bob

Hi Bob, thanks for the reply, I can't run the beta as there isn't one (that I know of) for the Au models. I had already made sure that auto lip sync was off on the AVR, that was my first thought as to what the problem might be. I can't find a video pass through setting although I'm not sure that would be a good idea anyway as HDMI 2 on the Oppo runs video from the Oppo when I'm watching a bd on the TV, so I would be guessing that I then wouldn't get amy picture to the TV?

I guess I'll wait until the beta fw becomes official and see if that helps, for now I'll just have to run audio & video out of HDMI 1.
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Kaz063, sounds like you and I have similar problems with the AU firmware - I, however, have not noticed any problems with discs (yet) but am being driven to distraction by sync issues with my FOXTELL IQ (through the back HDMI). I currently have dual HDMI hookup to my Panasonic Plasma (VT20 series) and Yamaha RXA3020 Amp. Sync is almost always out and cant be fixed with the latest official firmware as it seems the delay is very slightly out of 'sync' with the adjustments that the new official firmware allows. If I hookup just the one HDMI to the Yamaha and go through it to the Panasonic I no longer have most of the Sync issues but it is NOT the way I want to hook my system up. For the moment I am waiting for the just released Beta firmware to become official to see if I can finally enjoy the OPPO's functionality without any annoyances! I have tried to use the US Beta firmware but my player aboslutely refuses to recognise it not matter what I do (and I have tried everything including using the UK version of the Beta releases). Good luck mate but I reckon you and I (and all other Aussies with Oppos) are stuck with frustration til the Beta becomes official)
post #9767 of 16385
Has anyone gotten the Oppo BDP-103 cheaper than $499 from an authorized dealer?
If so, could you please PM me and let me know the cheapest place to buy from?

Also, will Oppo be coming out with a replacement model for the 103 this year?

Do you think the quality of this Oppo will be better than the PS4 or Xbox One for Bluray playback?

Thanks in advance for your feedback!
post #9768 of 16385
Not gonna happen. Its gonna be $499 new everywhere.

103 was out in Oct 2012, would be fall 2014 for the next probably.
post #9769 of 16385
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Originally Posted by y2j View Post

Has anyone gotten the Oppo BDP-103 cheaper than $499 from an authorized dealer?
If so, could you please PM me and let me know the cheapest place to buy from?

Also, will Oppo be coming out with a replacement model for the 103 this year?

Do you think the quality of this Oppo will be better than the PS4 or Xbox One for Bluray playback?

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

The only way to get a BDP-103 cheaper is to either buy a used one or get one when Oppo has its occasional offering of refurbished units. There has never, ever been an Oppo sale and Oppo's limited dealerships are not allowed to discount.

It is very doubtful there will be a replacement model. There is typically 2-3 years between models and then there has to be a reason to offer a new one that will contain significant improvements or extensive new features.

Blu-Ray playback is pretty much the same for almost all decent players. If you are only interested in Blu-Ray playback buy a decent $100-150 player. The Oppos are about a lot more than Blu-Ray playback.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

The only way to get a BDP-103 cheaper is to either buy a used one or get one when Oppo has its occasional offering of refurbished units. There has never, ever been an Oppo sale and Oppo's limited dealerships are not allowed to discount.

It is very doubtful there will be a replacement model. There is typically 2-3 years between models and then there has to be a reason to offer a new one that will contain significant improvements or extensive new features.

Blu-Ray playback is pretty much the same for almost all decent players. If you are only interested in Blu-Ray playback buy a decent $100-150 player. The Oppos are about a lot more than Blu-Ray playback.
Another reason they hold their resale value they are not superseded yearly like the rest of the industry.
post #9771 of 16385
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Originally Posted by boe View Post

I had been using oshare to stream my files which works pretty well and is FREE. I ended up trying out Mezzmo and it lets me stream ISOs pretty well. You don't get the menus and you have to pay after the trial of Mezzmo but it does let me what all the DVD ISOs I have on my server. It does differentiate between episodes on a TV show ISO.

I noticed that with Mezzmo, the audio is sometimes muffled for a few seconds when playing back AVI files (haven't tested it for all audio types yet) but Oshare the sound quality remains steady.

What Windows streaming app are my fellow Oppo owners using?
post #9772 of 16385
I'm having a weird issue. I watch files from my LAN off a WD TV Live Hub box. I have learned that if a folder on the WD has an apostrophe in the title, the Oppo will always see that folder, even if it's moved or deleted. E.g., if I move the Blake's 7 folder from one directory to another, the Oppo will see Blake's 7 folders in both directory. If I rename the Blake's 7 folder, then Oppo will see two folders, one with the original title and one with the new one. There seems to be no way that I can see to remove the entry for the ghost folder.

The same is not true of individual files...they can be moved freely from folder to folder without issue.

If I go to the WD's interface, everything is as it should be.

So I suppose moving forward I should avoid apostrophes in folder titles, which will make the OCD in me cry, but what can I do to remove those ghost folders?
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Originally Posted by Medieval Guy View Post


So I suppose moving forward I should avoid apostrophes in folder titles, which will make the OCD in me cry, but what can I do to remove those ghost folders?

I would suggest rebooting the Oppo any time you make changes on network shares or attached storage. This forces a re-indexing of contents.
post #9774 of 16385
I just updated the Beta 52-0522B Firmware.

Is it just me or the audio sounds much better after the Beta 52-0522B Firmware update?

I put in a music CD and wow!! Even better with SACD CD music!!!!!!!!

I am connecting the 103 by using the Left and Right rca cable Out to the receiver for 2 channel music. Did Oppo add something new to the Beta 52-0522B Firmware that made an improvement in the Audio section of the 103?

Also, watching movies seems to sound better as well. They must of update a new software for the audio part of the 103.
post #9775 of 16385
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I would suggest rebooting the Oppo any time you make changes on network shares or attached storage. This forces a re-indexing of contents.
Nope, after a reboot the ghost directory is still there.

I also earlier forced a rescan on the WD, which didn't help (WD still didn't show the deleted directory; Oppo still did.). Just now, I rebooted the WD, and that seems to have done it. I'm not sure why the WD was somehow sending the information to the Oppo that the directory still existed while it wasn't displaying it itself. But hey, computers are weird.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mantaraydesign View Post

I put in a music CD and wow!! Even better with SACD CD music!!!!!!!!
Really... What CD were you playing?
post #9777 of 16385
Anyone have any help is regards to optimizing the Oppo 103 to better talk to my Wireless Router (Apples new Time Capsule)? I''ve been Plexing and still get random dropoffs/buffering. I was hoping I could do some port forwarding etc.
post #9778 of 16385
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Originally Posted by Medieval Guy View Post

Nope, after a reboot the ghost directory is still there.

I also earlier forced a rescan on the WD, which didn't help (WD still didn't show the deleted directory; Oppo still did.). Just now, I rebooted the WD, and that seems to have done it. I'm not sure why the WD was somehow sending the information to the Oppo that the directory still existed while it wasn't displaying it itself. But hey, computers are weird.

Thanks!

SO bizarre. I've had a similar experience with a different setup. I have a WDTV Live Streaming Media Player (recent model) and I watch files that are on my Win 7 PC on a network share. I would watch a movie, then go to the Win 7 PC and delete the file. Then I would hit F5 and refresh Windows Explorer, and the file would come right back! The file would then be unplayable (I suspect it wasn't truly there). I've had files and whole directories come back "from the dead". The Western Digital player is clearly doing something weird. It doesn't happen all the time, and it never happens with any of the rest of my media gear.
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Really... What CD were you playing?

Probably a hybrid CD with both CD and SACD on the same disc. I've got a bunch of them. (Tommy" for example.) I recently bought an early Bob Dylan SACD hoping to expand the sound. Nope: it was stereo SACD! Two channels any way you look at it.
post #9780 of 16385
I'm having a weird issue watching the DVD series Oz on the Oppo 103. I have the resolution set at Source Direct but it is stretching the 4x3 screen to 16x9 making the people on the video too wide. Why is the 103 doing this if I have it on Source Direct? Shouldn't it be giving me the original DVD video? When I change the resolution to 480p then it shows the correct 4x3 aspect ratio.
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