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post #9841 of 16416
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

..... It is a financial and political struggle then, to get the best version into your product. Netflix will follow the money to support the manufacturers that will given them the largest penetration. To them whether it's a 500 dollar or 50 dollar product is immaterial, since they don't get a cut from that price. They do get a cut from the subscriptions and orders placed per seat, so if brand X guarantees 100 times the number of subscriptions on their budget system, as opposed to Oppo, they will get the attention and the best tool.

So Oppo is not in the drivers seat in this IMO, but needs to provide access to be competitive with people who would say "a 500 dollar player and it doesn't have Netflix?". The decision in the end is down to Netflix as far as I can see.

The commercial (for Netflix) aspect cannot be the sole explanation, since Sony´s Netflix app has the same start-up problem and possibly also a propensity to freeze/crash (I haven´t tested it enough to ascertain).
post #9842 of 16416
I use my 103 mainly for disc playing and it does a great job as for rentals Amazon Prime and Apple TV3 offer so much better AV quality than Netflix or so its been my experience that I don't even bother with Netflix.
post #9843 of 16416
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I don't think I was leaving it up to the TV but wanting to see the actual resolution as a purist and not any video processing at all by using "Source Direct". I try and make sure that I turn off any video processing on the TV and the AVR as well as the Oppo. I was hoping that this would also be the case for any streaming content and I like how the "Info" button will show us the resolution on Netflix streaming content (when it works of course) but not on Vudu streaming content. I wasn't aware that DVD content has to be flagged as to whether it's 4:3 or 16:9 on the display, AVR or player. I thought that it was done by the source so this was a shocker to me. eek.gif

The only way to see the actual resolution of 480i material is to watch it on a 480i display, meaning an old-fashioned cathode ray tube television. To watch all the available resolutions without any conversion processing, you would need at least 3 different TVs. With a 1080p display, which is what I assume you have, any resolutions other than 1080 have to be scaled to 1080, and any interlaced material (the i in 480i and 1080i) has to be de-interlaced. You cannot view resolutions other than 1080 on a 1080 display without conversion processing. If you use source direct on the Oppo, (and no convert on your AVR), then the scaling and de-interlacing processing is done by a processor in your television. If you set the Oppo to 1080p output or Auto, then it will do the scaling and de-interlacting. It is extremely likely that the Oppo does a better job of this processing than your TV does. The quality of the scaling and de-interlacing performed by the Oppo is one of the reasons that many of us find it attractive. It definitely does those better than my 60-inch Sony.

To the best of my knowledge:

With all the Picture Adjustment controls set to zero, the Oppo adds no additional processing to the HDMI 2 output beyond the de-interlacing and scaling.

With all the Picture Adjustment controls set to zero, the Oppo does add some minimal processing on HDMI 1. This processing also occurs on HDMI 1 even if Source Direct is selected. The following two items are the only processing I'm aware of:
1. A small amount of video noise reduction is performed by the Marvell QDEO processor. (Stated by Oppo as noted earlier in this thread.) This is supposed to have minimal side-effects on the real content of the image.
2. If 30 bit or 36 bit deep color is selected, the Marvell QDEO performs Bit Resolution Expansion, which is essentially interpolation between 8-bit per channel video values. (Confirmed by my own testing and observation.) This processing is not performed if Deep Color is turned OFF.
post #9844 of 16416
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The only way to see the actual resolution of 480i material is to watch it on a 480i display, meaning an old-fashioned cathode ray tube television. To watch all the available resolutions without any conversion processing, you would need at least 3 different TVs. With a 1080p display, which is what I assume you have, any resolutions other than 1080 have to be scaled to 1080, and any interlaced material (the i in 480i and 1080i) has to be de-interlaced. You cannot view resolutions other than 1080 on a 1080 display without conversion processing. If you use source direct on the Oppo, (and no convert on your AVR), then the scaling and de-interlacing processing is done by a processor in your television. If you set the Oppo to 1080p output or Auto, then it will do the scaling and de-interlacting. It is extremely likely that the Oppo does a better job of this processing than your TV does. The quality of the scaling and de-interlacing performed by the Oppo is one of the reasons that many of us find it attractive. It definitely does those better than my 60-inch Sony.

To the best of my knowledge:

With all the Picture Adjustment controls set to zero, the Oppo adds no additional processing to the HDMI 2 output beyond the de-interlacing and scaling.

With all the Picture Adjustment controls set to zero, the Oppo does add some minimal processing on HDMI 1. This processing also occurs on HDMI 1 even if Source Direct is selected. The following two items are the only processing I'm aware of:
1. A small amount of video noise reduction is performed by the Marvell QDEO processor. (Stated by Oppo as noted earlier in this thread.) This is supposed to have minimal side-effects on the real content of the image.
2. If 30 bit or 36 bit deep color is selected, the Marvell QDEO performs Bit Resolution Expansion, which is essentially interpolation between 8-bit per channel video values. (Confirmed by my own testing and observation.) This processing is not performed if Deep Color is turned OFF.

Thank you! I think this is the best explanation I've received so far and am grateful for all the responses. I might try HDMI 2 one of these days but doubt that I would see a difference. It is so easy to do so I might try it anyway.
post #9845 of 16416
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

Thank you! I think this is the best explanation I've received so far and am grateful for all the responses. I might try HDMI 2 one of these days but doubt that I would see a difference. It is so easy to do so I might try it anyway.

I have seen no differences with normal viewing material. You might see differences with test patterns or if you get really close to your screen.
post #9846 of 16416
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

Thank you! I think this is the best explanation I've received so far and am grateful for all the responses. I might try HDMI 2 one of these days but doubt that I would see a difference. It is so easy to do so I might try it anyway.

You probably won't notice any difference between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. I can only tell the difference by knowing exactly what to look for on specific material. I'm quite a purist about reproducing the video as accurately as possible, and I've decided to continue using HDMI 1.

However you may very well see a difference between Source Direct and Auto or 1080p when playing DVDs or other sources with lower resolutions. The Oppo's upscaling and de-interlacing is among the highest quality available, but you must have the Oppo set to Auto or 1080p (assuming your display is 1080p) in order to use it. Source Direct bypasses this in the Oppo forcing your display to do these jobs.
Edited by KC-Technerd - 6/18/13 at 2:00pm
post #9847 of 16416
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Originally Posted by ShadeRF View Post

I got mine in the other day and have been playing around with it a little. I watched a couple MKVs from a USB drive and a few minutes of a blu-ray disc as well. When running the MKVs one thing I noticed is the first 3-4 seconds there was no sounds then it started playing and everything was fine. On the blu-ray disc I encountered a similar issue, but this time the video was black and the sound started, and the video began playing 2-3 seconds later. I have an HDMI cable running straight to my JVC RS45 projector and the analog audio outputs hooked up to my receiver. Has anyone else encountered an issue similar? It's not really a big deal but would be nice if I can fix it.

Ive got the same problem going throught the pages to see if there is a solution.
post #9848 of 16416
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

You probably won't notice any difference between HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. I can only tell the difference by knowing exactly what to look for on specific material. I'm quite a purist about reproducing the video as accurately as possible, and I've decided to continue using HDMI 1.

However you may very well see a difference between Source Direct and Auto or 1080p when playing DVDs or other sources with lower resolutions. The Oppo's upscaling and de-interlacing is among the highest quality available, but you must have the Oppo set to Auto or 1080p (assuming your display is 1080p) in order to use it. Source Direct bypasses this in the Oppo forcing your display to do these jobs.

Unless you have an AVR with a chip that you believe is superior to the QDEO.. than you can use source direct for everything..
post #9849 of 16416
Hi all

I am looking at upgrading my BD player and have the option of either the Oppo 103 or at half the price a secondhand 93, i was wondering are there any video quality differences or audio differences between the 2 to make it worth going the 103?

4K will not do anything for me at this stage and neither will 3D for that matter
post #9850 of 16416
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Originally Posted by glenncol View Post

Hi all

I am looking at upgrading my BD player and have the option of either the Oppo 103 or at half the price a secondhand 93, i was wondering are there any video quality differences or audio differences between the 2 to make it worth going the 103?

For Blu-ray: no.

The -103 has new media file formats and network capability. See the FAQ: How is the BDP-103 different from the BDP-93?

-Bill
post #9851 of 16416
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

For Blu-ray: no.

The -103 has new media file formats and network capability. See the FAQ: How is the BDP-103 different from the BDP-93?

-Bill

In addition to the differences listed in the FAQ, Oppo has stated that for the 103 all de-interlacing and scaling processes for both HDMI outputs are handled by the MediaTek processor, with the Marvell QDEO only providing additional processing for HDMI 1 (and 4k scaling if applicable). I believe on the 93 the Marvell QDEO processor handled de-interlacing and scaling processes for HDMI 1.

Oppo also states that the 103 has an improved analog audio section over the 93, and that the dual-core SOC results in faster start-up and disc loading than the 93.

Oppo BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview

Oh, and I almost forgot, Stacey Spears (of Spears and Munsil) stated that the 103 has a "non-ringing" scaler in this video: Home Theater Geeks 159: Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark 2.0. I'm not sure if that's true of the 93 or 83.
Edited by KC-Technerd - 6/19/13 at 6:36am
post #9852 of 16416
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Originally Posted by glenncol View Post

Hi all

I am looking at upgrading my BD player and have the option of either the Oppo 103 or at half the price a secondhand 93, i was wondering are there any video quality differences or audio differences between the 2 to make it worth going the 103?

4K will not do anything for me at this stage and neither will 3D for that matter

Would a secondhand 83 also be an option for you? I'm very happy with the 103 I purchased, but I've seen several comments stating or implying that the image processing (including the scaling and de-interlacing) provided by the no longer available "VRS by Anchor Bay" processor in the 83 may be subtly superior to that provided by the MediaTek and/or Mavell QDEO on the 93 or 103.
post #9853 of 16416
And of course most significantly the 103 has two external HDMI inputs, for handling feeding output from say your cable/satellite receiver through the audio/video processing of the 103 and then on to your HDTV/AVR.

The 103 does a much better job of upconverting 720p/1080i to 1080p for feeding your HDTV than probably all STB/DVR boxes do, not to mention the additional QDEO processing if you use HDMI-1 output.

Also, use of external HDMI inputs allows the 103 to decode DD5.1 audio to multi-channel LPCM out over its HDMI-2, for feeding an external audio system that accepts multi-channel decoded LPCM via HDMI.
post #9854 of 16416
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Would a secondhand 83 also be an option for you? I'm very happy with the 103 I purchased, but I've seen several comments stating or implying that the image processing (including the scaling and de-interlacing) provided by the no longer available "VRS by Anchor Bay" processor in the 83 may be subtly superior to that provided by the MediaTek and/or Mavell QDEO on the 93 or 103.

You can't beat the ABT processing, but you're missing out on a whack load of other new features available on the 103 but not on the now much older 83.

I just wish they hadn't switched to QDEO.. frown.gif
post #9855 of 16416
Finally got my av setup running. Has anyone had any luck making a "Watch TV" activity on a Harmony remote that will automatically switch the input on the 103 to the "HDMI Back". I've made a couple activities and it seems like the Harmony is confused as to which input to select. It usually just stays at the home screen. I've tried adding a delay before the input selection step in the Oppo with no dice. I'd appreciate any advice or pointing me in the direction of some material I could read. Thanks, loving the 103 so far.
post #9856 of 16416
Consumer Reports has made the BDP-103 their top rated BD player. It's a little surprising since they rarely pick products they consider to be very high priced.
post #9857 of 16416
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Consumer Reports has made the BDP-103 their top rated BD player. It's a little surprising since they rarely pick products they consider to be very high priced.

They did the same with the BDP-83.
post #9858 of 16416
Yeah, but that was before there were a lot of cheap BD players on the market. When they picked the BDP-83, there were few players under $250-300 available so the average price differential between the 83 and other players was a lot less than it is now.
post #9859 of 16416
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Consumer Reports has made the BDP-103 their top rated BD player. It's a little surprising since they rarely pick products they consider to be very high priced.

You found that Consumer Reports report about BD players in a hurry! After I saw your post, I found it online and the report was just posted today at 12:30 PM. Consumers referred to the 103 as being "built like a tank," a sentiment with which I could not agree more. Although it's not unprecedented for Consumers to give high end products high marks, you are right that it's unusual.
post #9860 of 16416
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Consumer Reports has made the BDP-103 their top rated BD player. It's a little surprising since they rarely pick products they consider to be very high priced.
The link is Pricey Oppo tops our Blu-ray player Ratings, but LG has two great deals
post #9861 of 16416
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Originally Posted by kobyh15 View Post

Finally got my av setup running. Has anyone had any luck making a "Watch TV" activity on a Harmony remote that will automatically switch the input on the 103 to the "HDMI Back". I've made a couple activities and it seems like the Harmony is confused as to which input to select. It usually just stays at the home screen. I've tried adding a delay before the input selection step in the Oppo with no dice. I'd appreciate any advice or pointing me in the direction of some material I could read. Thanks, loving the 103 so far.

I struck the same problem - here is what I did to work around the problem: this applies to the Harmony One

The key problems to address are that (i) the Oppo 103 has a slow startup from cold; (ii) the Oppo forgets its last input setting when shut down.

At the step in Harmony wizard setup which asks "What input does your Oppo 103 need to be on?", instead of selecting "HDMI In-back" you instead select "Source in put is missing" button. The next screen shows 4 options - use option number 4 which is to emulate a Toshiba TV. The next screen shows the various inputs of the Oppo 103. Be aware that these Oppo103/105 inputs can be selected by number as follows:

#1 Bluray Player
#2 HDMI / MHL in-Front
#3 HDMI In-Back
etc.

However nothing to select on this screen - instead move to next screen: "Select the remote buttons to press to display source input, and to confirm source input selection":
In this screen use the drop down menus for

"Remote button displays source input menu" ==> "Input" ;
" Source Inputs" list (shows the above list) ==> leave these as is;
" Remote Buttons" ==> use drop down menus to input numbers 1,2,3, etc per the above list.
"Remote button confirms the source input" ==> use drop down menu to show "Select" (this is probably unnecessary, but does not hurt).

Then carry on thru the next pages which basically confirm you settings, and save.

Having described all this, I now advise that I abandoned the approach because you also have to adjust time delays for the various activity steps to allow for slow startup of the Oppo (and other equipment) or else not all of the Harmony steps are received at appropriate times when cold-starting the overall system....there is no problem (with delays) for controlling the AV system via the Harmony once everything is started, just at restarts. I had the system operating okay as above until the last firmware update when something changed(?).

Anyway, I did not want to again go and fool around with programming key-stroke delays once again, but instead went to a 2-step sequence:

Step one I named as "Start System" : using the wizard I just set this to start up all needed equipment and have all (except the Oppo) select necessary inputs or outputs, etc. No sweat.
At the Oppo settings screen I selected "I dont need to set the input on my Oppo 103". This leaves the Oppo displaying the "Home Screen" after system startup.

All the other programmed activities like "Watch TV", Play DVD", etc. where the Oppo may participate, I just used the necessary input selection on the normal page "What input does your Oppo 103 need to be on?". That would be "HDMI In-Back" in your case for WATCH TV activity.

This works for me because I do not press any activity button on the Harmony (to select an actual viewing activity) until after the whole system is started and whatever input selection signal the Harmony sends to the Oppo will be timely & appropriate.
post #9862 of 16416
Whew. I have a Harmony One as well. I run HDMI 1 into a Pioneer 1522 into a Samsung 46". When I replaced my 83 with the 103, the Logitech website did not show the 103 in the database so I simply used my 83 settings and all worked fine. Put a BD or SD in, hit Play Movie, and the movie splash screen starts up. Hit Watch TV, and the last channel selected on Direct TV pops up. The only time I get the Oppo screen is when I start up with my Roku Stick. It often will give me the Oppo screen (not always). And, yes, I have QuickStart enabled. I also added some custom things, using the Oppo 103 remote, like Input, to my Harmony using the manual method.
post #9863 of 16416
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Originally Posted by Eric_Connelly View Post

I setup a Win8 test VM and shared out 2 folders.

One called Share and the other called Photo to match what the Oppo appears to look for.

The Oppo picked up the computer and trying to login to it with any of the following:

username
\username
computer\username

I get the bad password error. I check the event log and I see the error "An attempt was made to query the existence of a blank password for account "Eric"

So seems like the Oppo is not passing the password properly or something else is up.

Eric,

Did you get it work?
Same problem with me.

Thanks
post #9864 of 16416
I have just taking the plunge and bought the 103, so far I am gutted I cant believe that they have disabled playing full BluRay structure, this was the main feature that I used on the 93, s there anyway of re encoding the movie to keep chapters, main menu, etc, so that the 103 will play them?


I have came across another problem, my player is refusing to read one of my hard drives, it's a WD 2TB external drive, even after powering the player on and off, I have another 2 WD external drives and it picks them up no problem.


Your help is appreciated.

Thanks

Mark
post #9865 of 16416
^ At present, the "AVCHD Trick" still works with the aid of a small utility program that edits a change into the BDMV data. This is where you place the BDMV data inside a folder named "AVCHD", which itself is put inside a folder with a more meaningful name to keep your contents organized. You browse to, and play the AVCHD.

That trick was broken in recent firmware, but it was discovered that a minor edit to the BDMV data re-christened it as an 'AVCHD Extension" and voila, it works again.

I've not actually done this myself, so I don't remember the name or link for the utility, but you can probably find it with a search of this thread if someone doesn't chime in.

Keep in mind, that it is by no means a given this trick will survive future player firmware updates.

(There's no way to play an ISO file image of the original shiny disc from a hard drive or over the network.)



On the hard drive problem, email OPPO Tech Support with the model of WD hard drive involved and how it is cabled up -- i.e., with external power or not, through a hub or not. They may have some history with that model.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/19/13 at 11:41pm
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bdmv_modify_v1.4.exe
post #9867 of 16416
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

bdmv_modify_v1.4.exe

Thank you, Is there a guide on how to use BDMV_modify_v1.4?
post #9868 of 16416
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Originally Posted by marky301067 View Post

Thank you, Is there a guide on how to use BDMV_modify_v1.4?
You can download software from https://disk.yandex.com/public/?hash=PLDXfZemXXr%2BBa1BUWeoz/gxBUlgnjkaJC37vT3BFqw%3D
Here are the instruction:
1. Create folder AVCHD (for example C:/Movie Name/AVCHD)
2. Move your movie structure folders (BDMV, Certificate, etc) to AVCHD folder (for example C:/Movie Name/AVCHD/BDMV)
3. Run the program and choose created AVCHD folder
4. Click Modify
That is all.
post #9869 of 16416
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Originally Posted by djwillia33 View Post

I struck the same problem - here is what I did to work around the problem: this applies to the Harmony One

The key problems to address are that (i) the Oppo 103 has a slow startup from cold; (ii) the Oppo forgets its last input setting when shut down.

At the step in Harmony wizard setup which asks "What input does your Oppo 103 need to be on?", instead of selecting "HDMI In-back" you instead select "Source in put is missing" button. The next screen shows 4 options - use option number 4 which is to emulate a Toshiba TV. The next screen shows the various inputs of the Oppo 103. Be aware that these Oppo103/105 inputs can be selected by number as follows:

#1 Bluray Player
#2 HDMI / MHL in-Front
#3 HDMI In-Back
etc.

However nothing to select on this screen - instead move to next screen: "Select the remote buttons to press to display source input, and to confirm source input selection":
In this screen use the drop down menus for

"Remote button displays source input menu" ==> "Input" ;
" Source Inputs" list (shows the above list) ==> leave these as is;
" Remote Buttons" ==> use drop down menus to input numbers 1,2,3, etc per the above list.
"Remote button confirms the source input" ==> use drop down menu to show "Select" (this is probably unnecessary, but does not hurt).

Then carry on thru the next pages which basically confirm you settings, and save.

Having described all this, I now advise that I abandoned the approach because you also have to adjust time delays for the various activity steps to allow for slow startup of the Oppo (and other equipment) or else not all of the Harmony steps are received at appropriate times when cold-starting the overall system....there is no problem (with delays) for controlling the AV system via the Harmony once everything is started, just at restarts. I had the system operating okay as above until the last firmware update when something changed(?).

Anyway, I did not want to again go and fool around with programming key-stroke delays once again, but instead went to a 2-step sequence:

Step one I named as "Start System" : using the wizard I just set this to start up all needed equipment and have all (except the Oppo) select necessary inputs or outputs, etc. No sweat.
At the Oppo settings screen I selected "I dont need to set the input on my Oppo 103". This leaves the Oppo displaying the "Home Screen" after system startup.

All the other programmed activities like "Watch TV", Play DVD", etc. where the Oppo may participate, I just used the necessary input selection on the normal page "What input does your Oppo 103 need to be on?". That would be "HDMI In-Back" in your case for WATCH TV activity.

This works for me because I do not press any activity button on the Harmony (to select an actual viewing activity) until after the whole system is started and whatever input selection signal the Harmony sends to the Oppo will be timely & appropriate.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I ended up doing what you described as the 2 step process after I could not figure out how to make everything automated. As you said, I figured out that once everything is on the commands work as expected. So when starting the system I just press "Watch a Movie" which boots up the TV, AVR, and Oppo. Once there I just press "Watch TV" and the DVR boots up and the Oppo automatically selects the "HDMI In-Back" input. I think this is the easiest thing to do. It's only 2 button presses and is much easier than going through the pain of setting up a macro with delays and such. This 103 is a beast. I set the sharpness to +1 for my Cox Cable box that I have running through the HDMI input in the back, and it made a world of difference to my eyes. Cleaned up all the fuzziness of the cable feed without introducing jaggies. I think it definitely worth it running the cable box through the Oppo even if you have to jump through a couple hoops. Others may disagree but I have been pleased with just turning up the sharpness to +1 and leaving everything else at default.
post #9870 of 16416
I love my 103 but it sure is finicky at times.
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