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post #9871 of 16418
Jerry,

I love my 103 and am currently converting all my Blu-Ray's to MKV or folder structure for the ones where I actually want the extras, since my Sony 7000es 400 Disc Blu-Ray changer keeps breaking.

I have to admit, I wish I would've purchased the 105 now due to its superior DAC's and sound quality and since I require no "room correction."

Considering the road you're on with acoustics and that you may find yourself no longer needing Audyssey (you'll always need some EQ for bass, but that's easy) you may wish to consider the 105 as well.

It's also available in silver now!

Let me know if you have any questions or if I can be of any assistance. If you do choose to stick with the 103, I may be upgrading to the 105 soon, so let me know if you're interested in a 2 month old perfect condition 103. wink.gif

--J[/quote]


Stop the presses!

Oppo support told me there is no difference components-wise between the BDP-103 & the BDP-105. The BDP-105 features a high quality front faceplate and a added front located earphone jack for private listening.

I was informed that the same components in the 103 are in fact the same components in the 105.

However, you are saying that the 105 features higher end electronic components and there IS in fact a difference between the two players.
Can you please clarify your reply? Because, as of right now, I'm feeling cheated for buying the lower end 103 :-(

Thanks
Edited by Shauri026 - 6/20/13 at 8:28pm
post #9872 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Shauri026 View Post

In regards to your reply:

Oppo support told me there is no difference components-wise between the BDP-103 & the BDP-105. The BDP-105 features a high quality front faceplate and a added front located earphone jack for private listening.

The same components in the 103 are in fact the same components in the 105.

However, you are saying that the 105 features higher end electronic components and there IS in fact a difference between the two players.
Can you please clarify your reply? Because, as of right now, I'm feeling cheated for buying the lower end 103 :-(

Thanks

I didn't see your initial question, but the main difference between the 103 and 105 is in the 105's analog audio capabilities. It has a built in DAC (SABRE32 Reference ES9018), a specialized power supply, and a USB-input on the rear that goes straight to the DAC. As I undestand it, the analog audio board on the 105 is built separately from other components, which, in addition to the added components, is a small reason for the increased price (increased manufacturing costs). If you're outputting only digital audio, you're not going to miss out on anything. However, if you are outputting from the OPPO's analogs to an amp and speakers, you will hear a difference.

post #9873 of 16418
Here's precisely what OPPO Digital has to say about the differences between the BDP-103 and the BDP-105

Frome their new Knowledge Base:

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx?KBID=37

--Bob
post #9874 of 16418

Has any one re-visited Total Recall 2012 since the May firmware update to see if the audio dropouts still occur when bit-streaming? I would like to add this movie to my collection and I know I can change the settings if need be but was wondering if the firmware fixed this issue.

post #9875 of 16418
^ I doubt you'll see a "fix" in the player. It is an acknowledged faulty authoring. The studio is satisfied with telling people to use LPCM output. I guess they don't want to spend any more on that flop.
--Bob
post #9876 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ I doubt you'll see a "fix" in the player. It is an acknowledged faulty authoring. The studio is satisfied with telling people to use LPCM output. I guess they don't want to spend any more on that flop.
--Bob

Well I read somewhere that Sony sent out a firmware update to their players and it fixed the problem.

post #9877 of 16418
^ News to me. Last I heard they were still telling people to use LPCM with the Sony players.
--Bob
post #9878 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ News to me. Last I heard they were still telling people to use LPCM with the Sony players.
--Bob

A couple of posters over on another forum who own Sony's BDP-S590 claim that it fixed the problem. That was why I was wondering if any one here has tried to play the movie since Oppo's update. They also just released the new version on a 4K re-master which I know is a bunch of tricky marketing but wonder if that version has the same audio problem.

post #9879 of 16418
^ The problem is due to an insanely complex branching structure they deliberately authored into the disc to make life tougher for folks trying to copy the disc. It would be trivially easy for them to fix it by re-issuing the disc with more "normal" authoring.

If there's a "fix" (more correctly a "workaround" for this authoring nonsense) for the Sony players it will show up at some point in the 103/105, because the fix would come from the same place. I've no idea whether that might have already happened.
--Bob
post #9880 of 16418
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

A couple of posters over on another forum who own Sony's BDP-S590 claim that it fixed the problem. That was why I was wondering if any one here has tried to play the movie since Oppo's update. They also just released the new version on a 4K re-master which I know is a bunch of tricky marketing but wonder if that version has the same audio problem.

It's just as Bob said about them telling people PCM,I have the Japanese version of the movie and it also has the same issue.
Regarding the 4-k Remastered,I don't know if they've fixed the issue on it or not,But what I do know that there are new copies of the movie on BD as well as 4-K are planning to be released worldwide.
Go to any amazon in the world and search for it,You'll find the old copy of the movie and a new copy on pre-order.
post #9881 of 16418
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Has any one re-visited Total Recall 2012 since the May firmware update to see if the audio dropouts still occur when bit-streaming? I would like to add this movie to my collection and I know I can change the settings if need be but was wondering if the firmware fixed this issue.

Shortly after the firmware update I tried my copy of Total Recall (2012) and the audio did not drop out. There are a couple of scenes where it consistently happened and it did not happen after the update. I tried the disc twice and did not have an issue. I have not tried it again recently. I had originally sent my disc back to Sony as they were offering an exchange program. I did receive a different disc back than the original but it had the same audio dropout issue prior to the firmware update.
post #9882 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post


Shortly after the firmware update I tried my copy of Total Recall (2012) and the audio did not drop out. There are a couple of scenes where it consistently happened and it did not happen after the update. I tried the disc twice and did not have an issue. I have not tried it again recently. I had originally sent my disc back to Sony as they were offering an exchange program. I did receive a different disc back than the original but it had the same audio dropout issue prior to the firmware update.

Thanks for the info. They are selling TR at Fry's for 14.99 and I was thinking of picking it up.

post #9883 of 16418
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Thanks for the info. They are selling TR at Fry's for 14.99 and I was thinking of picking it up.
Just be warned, your mileage may vary. I thought I had read previously in this forum that someone said their audio was still dropping out. I just know that the two times I tried it since the update I didn't have any drop outs.
post #9884 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post

Just be warned, your mileage may vary. I thought I had read previously in this forum that someone said their audio was still dropping out. I just know that the two times I tried it since the update I didn't have any drop outs.

And this is with HDMI Bitstream?

-Bill
post #9885 of 16418
I purchased the Mastered in 4k Total Recallaout three weeks ago from Amazon, bitstreamed fine from my 103.

Signal path: oppo > Lumagen XS > audio only output to McIntosh MX-151.
post #9886 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post


Just be warned, your mileage may vary. I thought I had read previously in this forum that someone said their audio was still dropping out. I just know that the two times I tried it since the update I didn't have any drop outs.

Which version do you have? The regular or the Directors cut?

post #9887 of 16418
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

And this is with HDMI Bitstream?

-Bill
Yes.
post #9888 of 16418
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Which version do you have? The regular or the Directors cut?
There is only one version of the Blu-ray I am aware of (it has both cuts). I watched the extended version.
post #9889 of 16418
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There is only one version of the Blu-ray I am aware of (it has both cuts). I watched the extended version.

Well I took the plunge and went and got it during lunch. So again thanks for posting that it worked for you.

post #9890 of 16418
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

Well I took the plunge and went and got it during lunch. So again thanks for posting that it worked for you.
Let me know if it works OK for you (or not).
post #9891 of 16418
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post


Let me know if it works OK for you (or not).

That's my plan. However I won't get to watch it until sometime next week when my wife returns from out of town. She really likes the movie too when we first rented it.

post #9892 of 16418
I am really getting tired of the issues with the 103. After how many firmware updates, and there is still serious lip sync issues?

Tonight I tried to play the Blu Ray of the Great and Powerful Oz 3D and there is no sound. Yes, I properly configured the setup menu for the dual HDMI setup. Any idea what the problem may be?
post #9893 of 16418
I still see a lip sync issue on movies, but it goes as quick as it shows up. Other than that, I put a Bluray in the tray and it plays.

I'm a poet and don't even know it.
post #9894 of 16418
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I still see a lip sync issue on movies, but it goes as quick as it shows up. Other than that, I put a Bluray in the tray and it plays.

I'm a poet and don't even know it.

I had lip sync issues early on too but once I followed some advice given earlier in this thread and changed the 103's audio output from auto to bitstream only, the problem went away. Other than that, my 103 has performed precisely as advertised. I should add, however, that I haven't used it for anything but playing BDs and DVDs. The only complication with my 103's setup is that I added a JVB Digital all regions chip to it in order to play BDs from regions other than Region A. That part of my setup has performed flawlessly too.
post #9895 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Raylinds View Post

I am really getting tired of the issues with the 103. After how many firmware updates, and there is still serious lip sync issues?

Tonight I tried to play the Blu Ray of the Great and Powerful Oz 3D and there is no sound. Yes, I properly configured the setup menu for the dual HDMI setup. Any idea what the problem may be?

If you're routing audio to an AVR with no 3D support, you'll need to go into the 3D settings in the player and choose to "blank HDMI-2". The problem is in your AVR, not the player, and this setting gives you a work-around.
post #9896 of 16418
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Originally Posted by Raylinds View Post

I am really getting tired of the issues with the 103. After how many firmware updates, and there is still serious lip sync issues?

Tonight I tried to play the Blu Ray of the Great and Powerful Oz 3D and there is no sound. Yes, I properly configured the setup menu for the dual HDMI setup. Any idea what the problem may be?

Regarding the loss of audio during 3D playback in a dual HDMI cabling configuration, does this article from OPPO's new Knowledge Base address your issue?

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx?KBID=9

The new, 3D Setting > Blank HDMI 2 setting was added in recent firmware as a workaround to a confirmed bug found in certain AVRs which screw up the HDMI handshake when 3D video is in use, even though they are NOT being asked to pass that 3D video.



If you are using the latest Public Beta firmware (0522B) and still have lip sync problems, then the time has come to start looking for other causes, as the sync errors originally in the player now appear to be fixed. I.e., sync is now testing as CORRECT at the player's outputs.

Since you are using a dual HDMI cabling setup, you may be suffering from what I've been calling the Helpful AVR problem. This is where the AVR helpfully adds a chunk of audio delay all on its own -- even if its user-visible Audio Delay setting reads 0 -- to account for its own video processing delays. I.e, it is trying to correct audio to match up with its internal video processing because it has no way of knowing it has been BYPASSED for video. The symptom would be video ahead of audio -- too MUCH audio delay.

The cure for that is to find a setting in the AVR which tells it that it does not have to do video processing. This might be a setting to disable its video output, or to set it to "pass through" HDMI video.

Another common problem is that some Displays exhibit excessive video processing delay when fed 1080p/24 video input. The symptom would be video behind audio -- too LITTLE audio delay. Check that by seeing if the problem goes away when you switch to sending 1080p/60 video to the Display (change Setup > Video Setup > 1080p/24 to OFF). If you still prefer to use 1080p/24 video with such a display, the new A/V Sync setting in the latest player firmware can be used to compensate for what the Display is doing. Your AVR may also have a user setting for adding audio delay. NOTE: You will, however, need to remember to REMOVE this added audio delay whenever you play a 1080i/60 Blu-ray -- such as many live concert discs -- as those will output to the Display as 1080p/60, not 1080p/24. Again, the problem here is unusual, 1080p/24 video processing delay happening in the Display -- not a problem in the OPPO.

There are also a variety of video "enhancement" features found in Displays which add video processing delay in the Display. In general it is best to disable such stuff in Displays as they screw up video calibration. But if you want to use them, you can, again, use the A/V Sync adjustment in the new OPPO firmware (or in your AVR) to compensate.

Some AVRs will offer an "Auto Lip Sync Correction" option. This does nothing fancier than reading a value from the Display saying how much audio delay the Display thinks it needs added (in the AVR) to compensate for the Display's own video processing. That's it; the AVR just reads a constant from the Display and applies that as its audio delay value. Note that there's nothing going on between the AVR and the player for this, nor is there any sort of automated checking of the audio and video as it is playing to "automatically" sense and adjust anything. In addition, the delay constant proffered up by some Displays is bogus -- for example it doesn't change to account for the actual video processing settings you have enabled in the Display (or the 1080p/24 vs. 1080p/60 processing issue noted above). And of course in your case, where you are bypassing the AVR for video, the exchange between the AVR and Display can't happen anyway. In general the Auto Lip Sync Correction option should be avoided -- find a MANUAL audio delay value to assign if you need to. Which brings me to the next point:

Be sure to check A/V Sync using source content of known quality. Sync errors IN THE CONTENT are more common than people realize until they go looking for problems. There are lots of different reasons why such errors might survive in the authoring of the content. In some cases it goes all the way back to the original theatrical release -- i.e., the error existed even when the movie was shown in movie theaters. Sync error which varies scene by scene is the typical symptom of errors inherent in the content. It's pointless to try to chase such varying content errors. Either live with them or choose better content to play.

I recommend using the A/V Sync chart on Disney's "WOW World of Wonder", Blu-ray, calibration disc to check audio / video sync.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 6/21/13 at 8:48pm
post #9897 of 16418
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I still see a lip sync issue on movies, but it goes as quick as it shows up. Other than that, I put a Bluray in the tray and it plays.

I'm a poet and don't even know it.

See my post above: If you are seeing lip-sync error that varies scene by scene then you are most likely seeing errors that are inherent in the content. Use a calibration disc to confirm proper A/V Sync without being confused by content errors -- such as the Disney "WOW World of Wonder", Blu-ray, calibration disc.

If your lip sync adjustment is off a bit -- perhaps because you need to add a small amount of audio delay (A/V Sync setting) to compensate for video processing time in your Display, then small errors inherent in the content may now become more noticeable. I.e., if the error in the content is in the same direction as the sync error in your setup, then the two errors add and what might have been an ignorable content error now becomes visible.

Fix that by checking your A/V Sync with a calibration disc and adjusting the A/V Sync setting to zero out any error present due to, for example, extra long video processing time in your Display. The CONTENT errors will still be there of course, but may be small enough to be ignorable when not compounded with a setup error.

And again, the Public Beta 0522B firmware is the best firmware to use to avoid lip sync problems. Check Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information and see if the Main firmware version number ends 0522B. If not, you can download the Public Beta from the OPPO Digital web site and install it via a USB stick. (Public Beta firmware will not show if you ask the player to check for new firmware over the Internet.)
--Bob
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Question for those with experience in the Oppo brand. Considering the recently announce 4K certificiation, should someone looking for a new BDP wait or is the BDP-103's 4k upscaling worth getting now?

See http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478355/technicolor-announces-certification-program-to-assure-high-quality-4k-upscaling



Thanks,


CB
post #9899 of 16418
Just curious, has anyone gotten the BDP-103 to play MKVs via SMB/CIFS in Windows 7? Searching the thread I see that Win8 is a no go, which is understandable. However, I have Win7 shares configured that can be viewed by my WD TV, LD BD650, and Samsung C6900 without issue. BDP-103 simply reports my credentials are wrong, that's assuming it sees the shares at all. Things to note:

Wireless connection doesn't see my server AT ALL

Wired connection sees the server, but not the shares

DLNA plays back MKVs, but subtitles are hit or miss

Win7 WMP streaming doesn't list MKVs

Wireless DLNA streaming results in stuttering every 4 seconds, completely unwatchable

It seems SMB/CIFS is my best hope for achieving my goal, but thus far I'm stuck. If you're not using Windows 7, what are you using that allows you to stream MKV via SMB/CIFS? Also, has the credential bug been fixed yet? That is, BDP-103 asking for credentials at every power up.

Thanks!
post #9900 of 16418
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

That's my plan. However I won't get to watch it until sometime next week when my wife returns from out of town. She really likes the movie too when we first rented it.
I was curious and I just ran the movie again and experienced no audio drop puts using HDMI Bitstream for the audio. Hopefully you will have the same experience.
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