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post #9901 of 16361
Bob, I am on the latest beta, and I have shocked av sync with a test disc. there might be once or twice lip sync might get out on a Bluray, but then it comes right back. I've seen it 3 times since I updated to the beta. Its so fast it doesn't bother me but I have seen it briefly.
post #9902 of 16361
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Bob, I am on the latest beta, and I have shocked av sync with a test disc. there might be once or twice lip sync might get out on a Bluray, but then it comes right back. I've seen it 3 times since I updated to the beta. Its so fast it doesn't bother me but I have seen it briefly.

Try this: Rewind and play the scene over again. If the same sync error appears at the same place then it is likely in the content.
--Bob
post #9903 of 16361
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Originally Posted by caustic386 View Post

Just curious, has anyone gotten the BDP-103 to play MKVs via SMB/CIFS in Windows 7? Searching the thread I see that Win8 is a no go, which is understandable. However, I have Win7 shares configured that can be viewed by my WD TV, LD BD650, and Samsung C6900 without issue. BDP-103 simply reports my credentials are wrong, that's assuming it sees the shares at all. Things to note:

Wireless connection doesn't see my server AT ALL

Wired connection sees the server, but not the shares

DLNA plays back MKVs, but subtitles are hit or miss

Win7 WMP streaming doesn't list MKVs

Wireless DLNA streaming results in stuttering every 4 seconds, completely unwatchable

It seems SMB/CIFS is my best hope for achieving my goal, but thus far I'm stuck. If you're not using Windows 7, what are you using that allows you to stream MKV via SMB/CIFS? Also, has the credential bug been fixed yet? That is, BDP-103 asking for credentials at every power up.

Thanks!
These posts and links within them may be helpful:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/4080#post_22790670
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/9690#post_23408073

In regards to wireless not seeing your server at all, I ran into something similar and maybe the post may help?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/9150#post_23349608
Edited by AYColumbia - 6/22/13 at 6:21am
post #9904 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Try this: Rewind and play the scene over again. If the same sync error appears at the same place then it is likely in the content.
--Bob
I'll do that next time. its been so minuscule I've not worried about it.
post #9905 of 16361
Almost July now...will the Android media control app get released this year?

I also have to wonder the same about Vudu subtitles (though of course Vudu would be the primary one to ask regarding this feature).
post #9906 of 16361
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I still see a lip sync issue on movies, but it goes as quick as it shows up. Other than that, I put a Bluray in the tray and it plays.

I'm a poet and don't even know it.

"...but your feet show it, they're Long-Fellows!" biggrin.gif
post #9907 of 16361
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Originally Posted by cdittmer View Post


I was curious and I just ran the movie again and experienced no audio drop puts using HDMI Bitstream for the audio. Hopefully you will have the same experience.

I played the first 15 minutes earlier today and there was no drop outs. When I first played the disc in my old panasonic player when the movie was first released the drop outs started right away. I'm glad I took the plunge and will watch the entire movie when the wife returns from being out of town.  

post #9908 of 16361
Hi
I am planning on getting a OPPO 103. I will wire the analog outputs directly to my power amp. I have read there are some hisses issues. Is it still the case?
Thanks
post #9909 of 16361
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

So it's a comparison of the Onkyo's Burr Brown DACs versus the ESS Sabre DACs in the 105.

It is also a consideration of whether you are willing to bypass the room correction that the Onkyo gives you (Audissey XT32) by doing the HDMI connection versus doing the room settings manually on the Oppo by doing the analog connection .

You have a very good system, so it would go well with either. Look at what answers you might get in the other threads, but ultimately it comes down to individual preference, unless you also use headphones and can benefit from the headphone amp that the 105 provides.

You might be best off by ordering a 105, using the one month return period, and trying both approaches. The 103 and 105 have the same HDMI innards, so testing the Onkyo through HDMI is equivalent. Then test the 105's analog inputs to the Onkyo and set the Onkyo to do no processing.

If you're happy with the HDMI approach, then you can return the 105 and get a 103. It will be the same. If you find that you want the analog processing that the ESS Sabres give you, then keep the 105.

This question raises some similar ones that I face.

First, let's start with system:
Onkyo PR-SC888p (using Audioquest XLR Jaguar 36V 1M, Monster Powerline M300 )
B&K Reference 200.7 (bi-amped fronts, NRG-2 power cable)
Pionoeer BDP-150 (hooked up for DLNA FLAC playback via HMDI, and it does DSD Direct for SACD, HDMI-X cable)
Oppo DV-980H (Analog Multi-channel DVD-Audio player with 6 RCAs)
Left & Right: B&W Nautilus 802 (Audioquest double single-wire 10ft runs of Rockefeller 36V; one for tweeter & midrange at 200W, other 10 foot run for dual 8" mid-basses at 200W)
Center: B&W Nautilus HTM1 (Audioquest double single-wire 10ft runs of Pikes Peak 36V; one for tweeter & midrange, other 10 ft run for dual 6.5" mid-basses, not bi-amped)
Surrounds: B&W Nautilus 805 (Audioquest double single-wire 40ft runs of FLX-A 14/2; one for tweeter, other 40 ft run for 6.5" mid-basses, not bi-amped)
Sub: Passive JL 10w6v2 D4 in custom 25"x16" cylindrical sono-tube, powered by Butt-Kicker BKA-1000N via Audioquest 10ft Type 8 cable
Panamax M5300-EX
Climate Controlled & air-filtered audiorack
Display: Vizio VF552XVT
3780 cu. ft. total room air volume to displace, while listening area is 18'x12'x13'(vaulted ceiling w/ air volume of 900 cu. ft.)


Now that all the technical data is out, my main listening venues are similar to many of you: 5.1 for movies, Stereo for FLAC or SACD on DSD-Direct).
Room correction always activates if I run the Onkyo in Stereo mode, and the sub activates. In Pure Audio, just the 802s play with no room correction, but I'm perfectly positioned in the room equidistant from side and back walls, with golden triangle seating position. So, even without room correction, I get the phantom center image.

With that being said, I need to upgrade to a new transport. So, question is Oppo 103, 95 or 105? The 105s have been getting poor Sabre DAC implementation reviews compared to the 95 pursuant to their headphone implementation (nice feature to have, but then you end up spending money on a whole new category of sound equipment, when I already have the Nautilus 802s.
I have not used the XLR inputs of the Onkyo, and don't know if anyone has done A/B tests between 95, 103, 105 with XLR or RCA vs. HDMI pass thru for the Onkyo's DAC (PCM 1796)?
http://www.eiki.com/docs/onkyopro-documents/pr-sc885p_specsheet.pdf?sfvrsn=3,
and a listing demystifying all the DACs during that time http://www.avsforum.com/t/1230824/list-of-av-receivers-pre-pros-with-pure-dsd-to-analog-processing.


Thanks AVS users for years of great advice.
Arashjahn
post #9910 of 16361
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Originally Posted by yokou71 View Post

Hi
I am planning on getting a OPPO 103. I will wire the analog outputs directly to my power amp. I have read there are some hisses issues. Is it still the case?
Thanks

I haven't heard of any hiss issues. I have my 105 connected straight to my amp and it is dead quiet.
post #9911 of 16361
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The 105s have been getting poor Sabre DAC implementation reviews compared to the 95 pursuant to their headphone implementation (nice feature to have, but then you end up spending money on a whole new category of sound equipment, when I already have the Nautilus 802s.

On paper, maybe.  Not in terms of sound.

post #9912 of 16361
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

I still see a lip sync issue on movies, but it goes as quick as it shows up. Other than that, I put a Bluray in the tray and it plays.
First-time experience for me last night with lip-sync problem from a BluRay.

This is the first time I've played an actual BluRay with DTS-HD MA audio track ("Queen of Versailles") since upgrading to the latest firmware, going out LPCM through HDMI-2 to my external sound system (Realiser + headphones). And astonishingly, I immediately noticed a lip-sync problem with default 0 setting for the new "A/V sync" setting.

I've never played with this setting before, but that's because I've also never seen a lip-sync problem on HDMI-2 audio before while watching BluRay discs with DTS-HD MA audio (or DVD's for that matter, with standard DD5.1 audio). My lip-sync problems have always been restricted to situations involving external HDMI input from my DMA2100 extender, something which has seemingly finally been corrected with the latest firmware (other than the extreme situation I've talked about before caused by the DMA2100 is in screensaver mode for a long time, putting out video but no audio to the 103's external HDMI input for an extended period, and which apparently drives the 103 crazy).

Anyway, I had to play with the "A/V sync" control, first trying a negative adjustment but it obviously was the wrong direction. I then moved it into positive territory, and was quite surprised to find that things did not seem "right" until I had the slider all the way up to +100! It now looked perfect, but I was quite startled that this much adjustment was needed... though thankful no additional adjustment was needed since it was now impossible. But at least the lip-sync problem had truly disappeared and A/V sync seemed perfect.

Next surprise... I then went back to analog audio output (downmix to stereo, out L/R analog outputs to my AVR) so that I could listen to sound through 2.0 speakers (fed by my AVR), using Netflix input ("Arrested Development"). I was curious as to whether I would need to reset the "A/V sync" setting back from +100 to 0 which I expected I would have to do. Well, not true!! Remarkably, there was no "negative lip-sync" problem caused by having the "A/V sync" at +100 when using analog audio output.

So I guess I must have missed reading the details about the new "A/V sync" setting, that it apparently only affects digital HDMI audio output, and not analog output.

Finally, today (still with "A/V sync" at +100 from last night... which I'm now theorizing only affects digital HDMI audio output) I had an opportunity to play a DVR recording (through DMA2100, via external HDMI input to the 103) with the analog audio and speaker output. And sure enough, still no lip-sync problem from analog audio tied to the +100 setting, reconfirming my conclusion that this setting is only effective for digital HDMI audio output.

I guess the last test would be to see what happens when I next play a DVR recording (from DMA2100, via external HDMI input to the 103) and listen through digital HDMI audio rather than through speakers. I've not had lip-sync issues on this before, so I would expect my current +100 to introduce a new lip-sync issue that I would then correct by reverting the "A/V sync" setting back to 0. Certainly bothersome, but if I have to do it then I have to do it.

I wonder if the particular BluRay movie I played last night was really the culprit here (seems impossible to believe). I'll guess I'll know in a few days when the next BluRay disc (also with DTS-HD MA audio) arrives from Netflix.
post #9913 of 16361
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Originally Posted by DSperber View Post

First-time experience for me last night with lip-sync problem from a BluRay.

This is the first time I've played an actual BluRay with DTS-HD MA audio track ("Queen of Versailles") since upgrading to the latest firmware, going out LPCM through HDMI-2 to my external sound system (Realiser + headphones). And astonishingly, I immediately noticed a lip-sync problem with default 0 setting for the new "A/V sync" setting.

Next surprise... I then went back to analog audio output (downmix to stereo, out L/R analog outputs to my AVR) so that I could listen to sound through 2.0 speakers (fed by my AVR), using Netflix input ("Arrested Development"). I was curious as to whether I would need to reset the "A/V sync" setting back from +100 to 0 which I expected I would have to do. Well, not true!! Remarkably, there was no "negative lip-sync" problem caused by having the "A/V sync" at +100 when using analog audio output.

So I guess I must have missed reading the details about the new "A/V sync" setting, that it apparently only affects digital HDMI audio output, and not analog output.

I wonder if the particular BluRay movie I played last night was really the culprit here (seems impossible to believe). I'll guess I'll know in a few days when the next BluRay disc (also with DTS-HD MA audio) arrives from Netflix.

I just checked this using the Spears & Munsil 2nd edition disc, and the timing of the analog audio output most certainly is adjusted by the "A/V Sync" setting. (I am using the general release firmware, not the beta.) You may be (as I am) less sensitive to "negative lip-sync" as you call it. As long as the lips move before I hear the sound it takes quite a bit for me to notice the issue, but if I hear the sounds before I see the lips move, I find it very distracting and annoying.

The only issue with lip sync that I have noticed with playing Blu-rays on the Oppo is on some of the special features on the first season of Star Trek TNG. I also had that issue playing the same material on my old Sony prior to purchasing the Oppo, and I believe it is an authoring issue with the discs, although a major blu-ray reviewer blamed it on using too many video processing options on any blu-ray player the disc was played on. I have verified that the audio sync issue exists (audio leading video by about 100ms) even when playing the material on HDMI 2 via Source Direct, and I've got all the video processing options on my TV shut off as well. I've watched 50 or 60 different Blu-ray discs on my Oppo so far, and that is the only title where I've noticed any audio sync issue.

I'm not familiar with "The Queen of Versailles" Blu-ray, but I did find some mention of other issues with it in this forum: Queen of Versailles Problem
post #9914 of 16361
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Originally Posted by Mongo171 View Post

I haven't heard of any hiss issues. I have my 105 connected straight to my amp and it is dead quiet.

Thanks for you answer. It seems that only the 103 has hiss issues.

I have read about hiss issues with the OPPO 103 here http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/27385?page=1 and here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/3480

Do you know if it has been corrected ? I am planning to use the OPPO 103 as a pre pro (by connecting it directly to my power amp) but I will maybe reconsider it...
Edited by yokou71 - 6/23/13 at 3:47am
post #9915 of 16361
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Originally Posted by yokou71 View Post

Thanks for you answer. It seems that only the 103 has hiss issues.

I have read about hiss issues with the OPPO 103 here http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/27385?page=1 and here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432162/official-oppo-bdp-103-owners-thread/3480

Do you know if it has been corrected ? I am planning to use the OPPO 103 has a pre pro (by connecting it directly to my power amp) but I will maybe reconsider it...
What I find really odd is that the main complainant (ie: MysteryMachine) has not posted 'anything' on this forum since March 2nd. So for all we know he's solved his problem!

All I can confirm is... When I connected my 103 via analogue to a couple of 29 year old Audiolab 8000A amplifiers and a mono amp (I built myself). There was no increased level of hiss other than what the amplifiers naturally produced.
post #9916 of 16361
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

What I find really odd is that the main complainant (ie: MysteryMachine) has not posted 'anything' on this forum since March 2nd. So for all we know he's solved his problem!

All I can confirm is... When I connected my 103 via analogue to a couple of 29 year old Audiolab 8000A amplifiers and a mono amp (I built myself). There was no increased level of hiss other than what the amplifiers naturally produced.

Thanks for your answer. I am reassured.

I will connect the HDMI inputs to my PC and tv box. Have you experienced any trouble switching between sources?
post #9917 of 16361
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Originally Posted by cbenson1978 View Post

Question for those with experience in the Oppo brand. Considering the recently announce 4K certificiation, should someone looking for a new BDP wait or is the BDP-103's 4k upscaling worth getting now?

See http://www.avsforum.com/t/1478355/technicolor-announces-certification-program-to-assure-high-quality-4k-upscaling



Thanks,


CB

Good question cbenson1978. Hopefully your question will get addressed, so I'll give it another bump. smile.gif
post #9918 of 16361
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I just checked this using the Spears & Munsil 2nd edition disc, and the timing of the analog audio output most certainly is adjusted by the "A/V Sync" setting. (I am using the general release firmware, not the beta.)
Well, I'm puzzled. The "A/V sync" setting feature was only just added in the latest beta firmware release I believe. It is not documented in the user manual, so I don't know how you could be seeing it in the general release firmware.

Now interestingly, Oppo appears to have overlooked changing the "help" text description which appears at the bottom of the screen when you navigate down in the Setup menu to the "Audio Processing" group. The text still shows: "Configure audio processing parameters. Except for DRC these configurations only affect the analog audio output". This is obviously not true for the just-added new "A/V synce" feature which is described in the writeup for the new beta firmware as follows:

12. Added a feature that allows the adjustment of the audio delay time within the range of -100ms to +100ms. This can be set in "Setup Menu"->"Audio Processing" -> "A/V Sync", and the delayed time will be applied to all output terminals including HDMI 1 and 2, Coaxial, Optical, and 7.1 outputs (including the Stereo outputs of the BDP-105).

The actual audio delay effect might be different for each of the output terminals due to the different audio process algorithms and signal paths used for each output. Please adjust this setting based on the actual output terminal in use.

The negative adjustment values are for cancelling out the audio delay that the player automatically applies. Depending on the video source and the time it takes to process the video, the main decoder chip automatically applies an audio delay in order to optimize audio video synchronization. The negative manual settings reduce the automatic audio delay, while the positive manual settings apply additional delay. Any negative value setting beyond the player's automatic delay will be treated as completely cancelling the automatic delay. For example, if the "A/V Sync" value is manually set to -100ms and for the current video source the player applies a 70ms automatic audio delay, the final result is that the 70ms audio delay gets cancelled and the audio is not delayed at all. It is not possible to put audio ahead of video using this setting.

For content sent through HDMI IN, the "A/V Sync" adjustment only works with positive values.

So that means: (a) it applies to both HDMI audio output, as well as to the 7.1 analog audio outputs including the L/R outputs that receive the "downmixed to stereo" analog audio I send to my AVR when I want to listen through 2.0 speakers. So I was apparently wrong in my earlier post that this seemed to apply to HDMI audio output (on HDMI-2 with "A/V Split" in effect and the HDMI-2 path active), but I had no other way to explain how it was that with my new setting of +100 for "A/V sync" (which previously was set at 0) this would not affect analog audio output in some way that would INTRODUCE lip-sync (in one direction or another) when with 0 there previously was none.

In other words... I'm confused. Something seems very inconsistent here. Tonight I played recorded programs from my DVR through HDMI input (still with the +100 setting) and listened through HDMI-2 -> headphones, and there was NO LIP SYNC OF ANY KIND. It was perfect! But previously, with a setting of 0 it was also perfect through headphones (or so I thought)!! Furthermore, listening to 2-channel analog stereo audio through speakers (still with +100) also exhibits NO LIP SYNC, just as I believe it did when it was 0! And yet, last night when I was playing "Queen of Versailles" BluRay with DTS-HD MA audio, I absolutely had to change the setting from its original default of 0 all the way up to +100 in order to get the audio to eliminate the lip-sync I heard through HDMI-2 and headphones.

I don't understand why I don't have any "induced lip-sync" resulting from my change from 0 to +100, on sources that previously had no lip-sync problem. Why is EVERYTHING now seemingly working perfectly audio-wise with +100, both analog and HDMI-2 digital, no matter what the source?

I'm very confused... but certainly not unhappy, as I certainly seem to have no lip-sync issues whatsoever, even if I can't explain it.
post #9919 of 16361
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Originally Posted by marky301067 View Post

......I have came across another problem, my player is refusing to read one of my hard drives, it's a WD 2TB external drive, even after powering the player on and off, I have another 2 WD external drives and it picks them up no problem.Your help is appreciated.
Mark


It's your drive, WD is very finicky!
post #9920 of 16361
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

It's your drive, WD is very finicky!

Yeah... I have a 4TB WB My Book USB hard drive with about 100 BDs and all the AVS demo BDs on it. (about 2TB worth of content) hooked up to my Oppo 103. It works.. but this is what ALWAYS happens:

I turn on my system to the Oppo 103 input, the 103 sees the hard drive, the USB logo appears in the top right corner for a second or so, and then it shows "my book" when I click on the movie icon from the 103 main screen. But it won't access the drive, it freezes there always. I have to shut off the 103 (not the whole system, just the 103), power back up and then I can always access the hard drive right away on this second try.. not sure how to fix this, it's getting annoying to always have to power up/down/up the 103 just to access the files on the hard drive..
post #9921 of 16361
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Originally Posted by yokou71 View Post

Hi
I am planning on getting a OPPO 103. I will wire the analog outputs directly to my power amp. I have read there are some hisses issues. Is it still the case?
Thanks

I'm using direct analog output to my Graham Slee Novo headamp and Denon ADH2000, or Earsonic SM64, or Phonak Audeo PFE112. No hiss here. And I have thin ears.
post #9922 of 16361
Which firmware release for the 103 is the one I don't want if I want to continue playing SACD-r disks?

I have a new week and a half old 103 that currently can play them and want to keep it that way.
post #9923 of 16361
For the Roku stick...no way for it to show runtime instead of 'Roku' while watching content?
post #9924 of 16361
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Originally Posted by darkeclypse View Post

Which firmware release for the 103 is the one I don't want if I want to continue playing SACD-r disks?

I have a new week and a half old 103 that currently can play them and want to keep it that way.
What firmware version do you have installed?
post #9925 of 16361
Anyone having problems with dropouts during SACD playback? I was playing the Norah Jones "Fly Away With Me" SACDC (analog productions newer release) and at a few different spots, sound dropped out and then resumed a few seconds later.
I have SACD output go out as PCM. I was playing some other discs and didn't hear this happen.

thanks
post #9926 of 16361
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

What firmware version do you have installed?

It shows BDP10X-38-1220

I don't understand why done of the firmware specs don't show when they "no SACD-r allowed" change took place. They mention that theres no going back when upgrading the firmware.. would seem that this change would upset a lot of users.. atleast mention what firmware the change is made so those users would know not to update the firmware.

Kind of frustrating as I can imagine at some point there will be a need to upgrade the firmware and i'll eventually loose the ability to play SACD-r disks.

I bought the 103 for blu-rays and SACDs 2nd but I cant imagine loosing the ability to play my SACD backups. Am I supposed to buy another 103/105 just to never upgrade the firmware and keep my backups playing and the other for movies? Seems stupid.
post #9927 of 16361
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Originally Posted by darkeclypse View Post

It shows BDP10X-38-1220

I don't understand why done of the firmware specs don't show when they "no SACD-r allowed" change took place. .

It is mentioned in the firmware release notes. The revision that adds DSD file playback removes SACD-R support. This was not Oppo's choice, blame Sony. There are of course options for you to convert your SACD ISO to DSD files for playback.
post #9928 of 16361
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

It is mentioned in the firmware release notes. The revision that adds DSD file playback removes SACD-R support. This was not Oppo's choice, blame Sony. There are of course options for you to convert your SACD ISO to DSD files for playback.

Ok so if I can convert them to files for playback i'll be able to play them on a USB drive or PC until sony slaps there hand again?

I have a couple of SACDs that have cracks around the inner circle from playing. One of them the crack is right next to the info area and I prob have 1 good play left on it hehe. SACD-r is where I need to be to keep my collection in near mint condition. DSD files would also work but one would assume that sony would want to kill that as well eventually.
post #9929 of 16361
Still see no official mention of backup SACDs being removed..


https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-50-0422.aspx
post #9930 of 16361
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Originally Posted by darkeclypse View Post

Still see no official mention of backup SACDs being removed..


https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-50-0422.aspx

See Special Notice #4:
Quote:
The new decoder firmware supplied by our chip vendor removes the ability to play SACD-R discs.
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