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post #9991 of 16359
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post


Does the QDEO processor do something at least on HDMI2 or is it completely off, meaning I'd also loose the deinterlacing and upscaling from the QDEO processor? What is "off" on HDMI2 exactly?

HDMI2 does not use the QDEO at all. All video processing is done by the Mediatek chip, which is a rather capable solution these days. It fact it handles deinterlacing for both HDMI1 & 2.

-Bill
post #9992 of 16359
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Does the QDEO processor do something at least on HDMI2 or is it completely off, meaning I'd also loose the deinterlacing and upscaling from the QDEO processor? What is "off" on HDMI2 exactly?

My understanding is that on the 103/105 none of the scaling or de-interlacing on either HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 is performed by the Marvell QDEO processor, rather those jobs are handled by the Media-Tek processor for both outputs. The additional processing that is performed by the QDEO is only available on HDMI 1.

De-interlacing and scaling are exactly the same on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2, with neither being performed by the Marvell QDEO processor. Again, this is my understanding from the info I've read on the subject.
post #9993 of 16359
^ Sorry, one exception to the above. The Marvell QDEO does provide scaling to 4K on HDMI 1 only.
post #9994 of 16359
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

No, not "night and day" by any means. Subtle would be the best description.


Thanks!

I will keep the 103.
post #9995 of 16359
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

My understanding is that on the 103/105 none of the scaling or de-interlacing on either HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 is performed by the Marvell QDEO processor, rather those jobs are handled by the Media-Tek processor for both outputs. The additional processing that is performed by the QDEO is only available on HDMI 1.

De-interlacing and scaling are exactly the same on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2, with neither being performed by the Marvell QDEO processor. Again, this is my understanding from the info I've read on the subject.

Hi,

After reading your post I went and read the following:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/qdeo_extended_technology_brief.pdf

It seems like QDeo does three big steps in the following order:

1. Noise reduction
2. Format Conversion (which includes scaling and deinterlacing)
3. Enhancements (Contrast, Color, Depth Expension and Bit Resolution Expansion (smoothing of gradient colors))

In the example pictures in the brief, I can't say I'm too hype on the noise reduction as I feel like some detail is loss, for example in the leaves of the flower in the example pictures. The other two steps though look pretty amazing, especially the deinterlacing and depth expansion parts. Like they say though, the noise reduction is necessary to make the following steps more successful as the noise dots aren't made bigger by the upscaling process since they are already removed.

So, I am unsure if you are right that the QDeo never does the scaling and deinterlacing because according to the link I just posted it does.
post #9996 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

This sort of thing is likely due to HDMI cabling issues. The video signal being sent is almost certainly 1080p/60 (HDMI audio is always embedded in an HDMI video signal) and you are using high bit-rate audio.

Try this: Set HDMI Deep Color OFF and set output Resolution from the OPPO to 1080i. Set this way, the HDMI will still be able to carry the full quality of the digital audio signal, but at much lower bandwidth overall because of the way you've set the video.

Do the audio dropouts go away? If so that says your HDMI cabling is having trouble with your original, higher bandwidth configuration. Try a new HDMI cable and eliminate anything "extra" in the HDMI path such as daisy chained cable, adapters, wall plates, HDMI switches, gizmos like a Darbee, etc. Keep in mind that HDMI is an end to end protocol so the problem could be in the HDMI OUTPUT cable from your AVR. To test this, get the music going and then temporarily pull that output cable to the display from the back of the AVR. After a few seconds for a new handshake the audio will resume. If the audio dropouts go away, then look to the quality of that output cable.
--Bob
Thanks Bob

I do have deep color off. Hdmi output is on auto. Just checked and the sacs screen (track title, artist, time etc) is displayed 1080p. The cables are monoprice redmere cable. It is difficult what to attribute this with when the drops are very intermittent so can't tell when it's really fixed. I played several sacds and didn't hear except this one disc and replaying the track didn't reproduce the drop at the same spot. I used to have severe problems last year where some sacds where practically unplayable , the dropouts were so bad and often. Not sure how these were fixed , may have been new cables or. The short extensions used to ease the strain where the heavy cable connectors might have caused unstable connection to the receiver.

When I asked oppo about this back then they suggested that sacds played at higher rpms and may cause the cable to shake if not seated tightly. Not sure about this answer.

The only other thing is the Norah jones sacs was multichannel and the others were only stereo. Could multichannel be more prone to dropouts?

Thanks
post #9997 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Phil Tomaskovic View Post

Thanks Bob

I do have deep color off. Hdmi output is on auto. Just checked and the sacs screen (track title, artist, time etc) is displayed 1080p. The cables are monoprice redmere cable. It is difficult what to attribute this with when the drops are very intermittent so can't tell when it's really fixed. I played several sacds and didn't hear except this one disc and replaying the track didn't reproduce the drop at the same spot. I used to have severe problems last year where some sacds where practically unplayable , the dropouts were so bad and often. Not sure how these were fixed , may have been new cables or. The short extensions used to ease the strain where the heavy cable connectors might have caused unstable connection to the receiver.

When I asked oppo about this back then they suggested that sacds played at higher rpms and may cause the cable to shake if not seated tightly. Not sure about this answer.

The only other thing is the Norah jones sacs was multichannel and the others were only stereo. Could multichannel be more prone to dropouts?

Thanks
Ps if its possible that lowering the video output for sacds would help. It would be nice if the oppo would lower the resolution for these track info screens rather than having to switch it back and forth when playing blu rays.
post #9998 of 16359
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Hi,

After reading your post I went and read the following:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/qdeo_extended_technology_brief.pdf

It seems like QDeo does three big steps in the following order:

1. Noise reduction
2. Format Conversion (which includes scaling and deinterlacing)
3. Enhancements (Contrast, Color, Depth Expension and Bit Resolution Expansion (smoothing of gradient colors))

In the example pictures in the brief, I can't say I'm too hype on the noise reduction as I feel like some detail is loss, for example in the leaves of the flower in the example pictures. The other two steps though look pretty amazing, especially the deinterlacing and depth expansion parts. Like they say though, the noise reduction is necessary to make the following steps more successful as the noise dots aren't made bigger by the upscaling process since they are already removed.

So, I am unsure if you are right that the QDeo never does the scaling and deinterlacing because according to the link I just posted it does.

I believe the extended technology brief is a generalized document showing everything that the Marvell QDEO processing is capable of, but not necessarily representing the way it is implemented in every product that includes it. Read this interview/article for more information: Oppo BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview. "The main SoC performs video decoding, de-interlacing, scaling and 2D-to-3D conversion, and the Qdeo video processor can perform further enhancements such as noise reduction, contrast and color enhancements."

This forum post is from an Oppo beta tester regarding the processing functions: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=7195902&postcount=1007

FYI - I have seen it mentioned earlier in this thread that OPPO itself has stated that the minimum level of QDEO noise reduction is applied to HDMI 1 and is not defeatable (even by using Source Direct). In my own testing I also found that Bit Resolution Expansion is applied to HDMI 1, and is only defeatable by turning Deep Color off.
post #9999 of 16359
Regarding the post above about an "extended" 2 year Warranty from a dealer in Canada: The STANDARD OPPO Warranty in North America for the 103 and 105 is a full 2 years. This is up from the 1 year Warranty of the previous players.

Unless the dealer is including a Warranty extension BEYOND the first two years (and OPPO does sell such extensions, so they are available) you aren't actually getting a freebie here.
--Bob
post #10000 of 16359
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Originally Posted by wildcard011 View Post

This might sound like a very noob question but I am unable to find the answer in the manual. Is there anyway to play music through the network without having to turn on a display and navigate through the menu.

The oppo 103 is connected to the JVC 4810, and I hate to have to turn the projector on every time I want to access music files through the network to listen to music. The front display doesn't change as I go through submenus so that doesn't help much either.

I have an ipad/iphone so an app that would let me do this would work too.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

How are you streaming?  If you are using the ethernet link with streaming software on your computer, there are iPad apps depending on the software.  If you are accessing the files via SMB or PnP, your only option at this time would be to buy a small monitor.

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Originally Posted by jgaster View Post

The Oppo will play music without a screen. I personally know of no way to navigate the menu without a display. Because I use a projector, turning on my display to navigate music is impractical. My solution was to purchase a 5” camera monitor from Amazon, and run it from the HDMI2.

This solution works quite well. The monitor was cheap, and I don’t care if I burn the picture. Every so often, the second monitor will cause a handshake issue, where the screen goes completely pink. That issue easily remedied, by turning the 5” display off until the projector synchronizes.

The only other way I know to play music without a display, are cue files.

I've never been an MP3, iPod, earbud kind of guy. Strictly "shiny discs", and good speakers. So when I first found out about the BDP-103's USB-drive musical "playlist" capability, I was overjoyed... and I immediately went about ripping tracks from my CDs and copying them to some 32GB thumb-drives.

The first moment that I saw the musical contents of one of the thumb-drives displayed on my 58" Samsung Plasma, however... my heart sank. And then, after I'd started playing a track, and the display automatically changed to what I'll call the "Playback" screen, with its dark, greyscale, "background" close-up photo of a turntable cartridge, and all of the track's content and play-time info superimposed over the photo in brilliant white lettering, and realized that that textual info's position on the screen was immutably fixed -- my heart just gave out. For the next few weeks I worried constantly, trying to think of a way that I could somehow have access to that informational display while listening to music, without having it burn its way permanently into my beloved Plasma's fragile screen.

Once again, by thinking too hard about it, I totally missed seeing a completely obvious solution... until I happened to read Kal Rubinson's post.

Wow. Not only did a lightbulb go on... it was like sitting inside a 4th of July fireworks display. My not having thought of it myself may also have something to do with the fact that I don't even use a cell phone, let alone an iPad or the like, so "small" displays just aren't in my normal, everyday life's "vocabulary" at all... but that's a different story.

So then, having found the direction in which I needed to go, the first realistic hurdle for me was how to go about implementing this while still being able to maintain my BDP-103's "Split" display format. Obviously, I could switch from "Split" to "Dual", like jgaster... but I really like the way the Split format is working for me.

Ahhh... simple. Just get a nice, cheap, one-input/two-output HDMI splitter, a nice, cheap little LCD display monitor, and you're good to go.

Right.

INFINITELY more easily said, than done.

The problem, of course, was finding a reasonably-priced monitor that has an HDMI input jack (turns out that not very many do), is small enough to sit within the confines of my AV equipment/TV stand, yet large enough for me to be able to read its display from a viewing distance of about nine feet... and is capable of producing a 16:9 1080p picture -- the further problem being that nearly all HDMI splitters will invariably reduce the resolution coming from all of their output jacks to that of the highest resolution common among all of the attached devices. In other words, if one connected device does 1080p and 720i, and one only does 720i, all splitter outs will put out 720i.

Anyway... after a bit of a search, I finally found and ordered a "Lilliput FA1013-NP/H/Y 10.1" HDMI LCD Monitor" from Amazon... and it has ended up being absolutely perfect for my needs. Its own on-screen display allows you to program it to whatever input/output configuration and resolution you might need, and also to adjust the display's brightness. Setup took about one minute. It doesn't happen to have a remote control, but that's actually fine with me... the last thing I need is one more remote sitting in front of me.

However, regarding the size of these small monitors... for anyone contemplating a setup similar to what I've described here, it should be noted that my vision is quite sharp -- but even so, I can just barely manage to read the track info on the 10.1" display screen from my seated TV viewing position... and I seriously doubt that I could do so at all, if the LCD's screen were any smaller.

Finding the right HDMI splitter, by the way, was a whole other issue. The first one I got was only $10, but had three outputs and an auto-sensing active-output selector that could also be operated manually by push-button or by an included IR remote control. I tried for hours to get it to work the way I wanted it to, using every setup and cabling configuration imaginable. No deal. But since it cost so little in the first place, rather than returning it, it now resides in one of my electronics "junk" drawers.

Further searching led me to a "Monoprice 1X2 PRO Series Powered HDMI Splitter (Rev. 2.0)", also found on Amazon, which is everything the other splitter wasn't. Perfect size, substantial weight, solidly built metal chassis (the other one was thin, flimsy plastic), and very high-quality construction and components. It not only looks fittingly "high-tech" sitting on top of the Oppo... it'll probably last as long as the Oppo, as well. And along with it being a truly well-constructed and engineered piece of audio/video equipment... just like Monoprice cables, it works flawlessly.

Incidentally, I'm using a 3-ft HDMI cable from the Oppo's HDMI 1 output to the HDMI input on the splitter, and another 3-ft cable from the splitter to the Lilliput monitor. The Oppo's original 6-ft cable runs from the splitter to the Samsung Plasma.

Bottom line to this novella...?

With the splitter attached to the Oppo's HDMI 1 output, I can now have either one of the TV monitors on -- or (for no foreseeable reason) both. And other than the obligatory HDMI "handshake" issues during power-up (or power-off) of the monitors, I have had no audio or video dropouts whatsoever, no lip-sync issues, no video-signal degeneration on the Hi-Def Plasma display at all (something I probably would have constantly been concerned about, if the $10 splitter had worked)... and no more sleepless nights, worrying about potential Plasma burn-in!

With all of that taken into consideration... as far as I'm concerned, this little project has saved my Plasma's life... and in the process, it's helped me to enjoy and love my Oppo 103 even more than I already did!
post #10001 of 16359
^ A reminder: Pure Mode (Pure button upper left on the remote) can be used to blank the video output during things like music playback.

The Front Panel also goes to black during Pure Mode. The Light button (lower right on the remote) will, as a side effect, also wake up the Front Panel display for a few seconds if you want to check it.
--Bob
post #10002 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Hughski68 View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Since you are running your TV set top box through the OPPO you should DEFINITELY upgrade to the Public Beta 0522B firmware before diagnosing TV playback problems further. There are important fixes in there for folks using the player's HDMI Inputs.

Download for Public Beta from the OPPO Digital web site for install via a USB stick:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx



Also, for audio or video problems while viewing TV through the OPPO, the first thing to do is verify the channel you are watching doesn't have its own problems at the moment. For example, the periodic audio dropouts you described are the sort of thing that might happen if a cable company is having problems retransmitting a channel. To test this, just try a few other channels and see whether they ALL have the problem. If not, then try the problem channel again later and see if the cable TV people have "fixed" it.

--Bob

I saw that there was a beta firmware upgrade, but thought it best to wait until it was official. I'll do this, though.

The issues I've had with the delay have been for such a long period I don't believe it to be with the cable company. I've dealt with that before I made this purchase and it was different than what I'm experiencing now.

The main reason I suggested you update to the 0522B Public Beta firmware now was your report that you were experience video "stutter" using the HDMI Inputs.

Delay in audio or video starting up after an HDMI handshake is an indication of HDMI retries happening. That's a whole other topic, and depends upon how each device in your HDMI change is responding to the change initiated by the Source device. (Even with Optical audio you can get muting while the HDMI part gets itself sorted out.)
--Bob
post #10003 of 16359
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Hi,

After reading your post I went and read the following:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/qdeo_extended_technology_brief.pdf

It seems like QDeo does three big steps in the following order:

1. Noise reduction
2. Format Conversion (which includes scaling and deinterlacing)
3. Enhancements (Contrast, Color, Depth Expension and Bit Resolution Expansion (smoothing of gradient colors))

In the example pictures in the brief, I can't say I'm too hype on the noise reduction as I feel like some detail is loss, for example in the leaves of the flower in the example pictures. The other two steps though look pretty amazing, especially the deinterlacing and depth expansion parts. Like they say though, the noise reduction is necessary to make the following steps more successful as the noise dots aren't made bigger by the upscaling process since they are already removed.

So, I am unsure if you are right that the QDeo never does the scaling and deinterlacing because according to the link I just posted it does.

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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I believe the extended technology brief is a generalized document showing everything that the Marvell QDEO processing is capable of, but not necessarily representing the way it is implemented in every product that includes it. Read this interview/article for more information: Oppo BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview. "The main SoC performs video decoding, de-interlacing, scaling and 2D-to-3D conversion, and the Qdeo video processor can perform further enhancements such as noise reduction, contrast and color enhancements."

This forum post is from an Oppo beta tester regarding the processing functions: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=7195902&postcount=1007

FYI - I have seen it mentioned earlier in this thread that OPPO itself has stated that the minimum level of QDEO noise reduction is applied to HDMI 1 and is not defeatable (even by using Source Direct). In my own testing I also found that Bit Resolution Expansion is applied to HDMI 1, and is only defeatable by turning Deep Color off.

As mentioned above, this has been confirmed previously. That QDEO brief is generalized and not specific to the Oppo implementation.
post #10004 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Regarding the post above about an "extended" 2 year Warranty from a dealer in Canada: The STANDARD OPPO Warranty in North America for the 103 and 105 is a full 2 years. This is up from the 1 year Warranty of the previous players.

Unless the dealer is including a Warranty extension BEYOND the first two years (and OPPO does sell such extensions, so they are available) you aren't actually getting a freebie here.
--Bob

No extension, it's only the standard 2 year manufacturers warranty that's included.
post #10005 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Regarding the post above about an "extended" 2 year Warranty from a dealer in Canada: The STANDARD OPPO Warranty in North America for the 103 and 105 is a full 2 years. This is up from the 1 year Warranty of the previous players.

Unless the dealer is including a Warranty extension BEYOND the first two years (and OPPO does sell such extensions, so they are available) you aren't actually getting a freebie here.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. There needs to be some questions asked here on this deal. OnlyBestRated has an "extended 2 year warranty" listed when purchasing the 103. I realize there is the Oppo 2 year warranty and one would assume this to be a warranty offered by OnlyBestRated AFTER the end of Oppo's warranty. But you know what happens when one assumes! So I sent an email to them for clarification, when I hear back I'll share it here.
post #10006 of 16359
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I believe the extended technology brief is a generalized document showing everything that the Marvell QDEO processing is capable of, but not necessarily representing the way it is implemented in every product that includes it. Read this interview/article for more information: Oppo BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview. "The main SoC performs video decoding, de-interlacing, scaling and 2D-to-3D conversion, and the Qdeo video processor can perform further enhancements such as noise reduction, contrast and color enhancements."

This forum post is from an Oppo beta tester regarding the processing functions: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=7195902&postcount=1007

FYI - I have seen it mentioned earlier in this thread that OPPO itself has stated that the minimum level of QDEO noise reduction is applied to HDMI 1 and is not defeatable (even by using Source Direct). In my own testing I also found that Bit Resolution Expansion is applied to HDMI 1, and is only defeatable by turning Deep Color off.

Thanks for the infos!

So Oppo says:

"The BDP-103 and BDP-105 employ a two-step video processing approach that utilizes video processing algorithms implemented on the main dual-core SoC and the latest generation of Marvell’s Qdeo video processor. The HDMI 1 output is driven by the Qdeo video processor while the HDMI 2 output is direct from the main SoC. The main SoC performs video decoding, de-interlacing, scaling and 2D-to-3D conversion, and the Qdeo video processor can perform further enhancements such as noise reduction, contrast and color enhancements."

And the blu-ray forum guy said:

"The video processing in the 103/105 is primarily done on the MTK decoder chipset which handles the per-pixel motion-adaptive de-interlacing and advanced scaling transform, unlike the previous 93/95 which did all video processing using the Marvel QDEO chipset. The video output of HDMI-2 doesn't include what is part of the QDEO abilities such as:
4K up conversion
Noise reduction - Per pixel compression artifact reduction removes artifacts inherent in digital video - Per pixel video noise reduction removes noise inherent in digital video
Enhancement - Adaptive Contrast Enhancement (ACE) and Intelligent Color Remapping (ICR) render rich and vivid images "

My question is, why did they go from full QDeo to that two-step approach? Does it do a better result than full QDeo for all steps like in the BDP-93? I would guess so since Oppo are purists and each new model should be better in PQ than the one before? Or is it to make less heat from the QDeo processor therefore being able to remove the fan?

It is just a bummer since the two steps they don't use from QDeo are the ones that I thought were amazing from the brief, which is deinterlacing and depth extension. I wonder if the SoC can do as good edges (no jagged smooth edges) and detect film and video mixed together content like my dvd tv shows probably are as the QDeo can? They say they use a per-pixel motion-adaptative de-interlacing...

Thanks all for the infos!

EDIT: I found this link and it put my mind at ease:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/bluraydiscplayerreviews/ss/Oppo-Digital-Bdp-103-Blu-Ray-Disc-Player-Video-Performance-Tests_12.htm

The deinterlacing looks stellar, of course I am looking at this on my ipod so it's kind of small, I'll continue to read on that.
Edited by creator441 - 6/26/13 at 7:43am
post #10007 of 16359
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Originally Posted by Tornado Red View Post

Thanks Bob. There needs to be some questions asked here on this deal. OnlyBestRated has an "extended 2 year warranty" listed when purchasing the 103. I realize there is the Oppo 2 year warranty and one would assume this to be a warranty offered by OnlyBestRated AFTER the end of Oppo's warranty. But you know what happens when one assumes! So I sent an email to them for clarification, when I hear back I'll share it here.

Further to: Here is the reply from OnlyBestRated on the warranty. You were right Bob, they're merely stating what you said in your quote, though their website would lead one to believe there is an "extra" 2 years, definitely not the case. They do offer the 30 day money back deal however:

"Extended" is referring to the 1 year warranty for all the previous OPPO models.
The total warranty period is 2 years.
Sincerely, Support
post #10008 of 16359
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

....

With the splitter attached to the Oppo's HDMI 1 output, I can now have either one of the TV monitors on -- or (for no foreseeable reason) both. And other than the obligatory HDMI "handshake" issues during power-up (or power-off) of the monitors, I have had no audio or video dropouts whatsoever, no lip-sync issues, no video-signal degeneration on the Hi-Def Plasma display at all (something I probably would have constantly been concerned about, if the $10 splitter had worked)... and no more sleepless nights, worrying about potential Plasma burn-in!

With all of that taken into consideration... as far as I'm concerned, this little project has saved my Plasma's life... and in the process, it's helped me to enjoy and love my Oppo 103 even more than I already did!
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ A reminder: Pure Mode (Pure button upper left on the remote) can be used to blank the video output during things like music playback.

The Front Panel also goes to black during Pure Mode. The Light button (lower right on the remote) will, as a side effect, also wake up the Front Panel display for a few seconds if you want to check it.
--Bob

Wow. Pretty stupid on my part, eh? Makes me wish I'd spent more time memorizing the Owner's Manual.

Too bad no one happened to mention the Pure Mode function when wildcard011, Kal Rubinson and jgaster posted their questions and comments back in mid-June.

Spending as much time as I do reading the commentaries on this forum, I sometimes forget how amazing and knowledgeable and accessible Oppo's Tech Support is. I obviously should've just asked Oppo support directly.

Anybody need a great little 10" 1080p monitor, and a very-well-made HDMI splitter?

EDIT: Sorry for the gruff tone, everyone.

Of course, even if my big TV wasn't a plasma, it'd be completely lame (and intolerably annoying) to have a 58" display of that playback info on all the time... so if my only display was a very large one, the Pure Mode video-blackout function would be a huge asset.

But the fact is... I've actually very rapidly become accustomed to being able to just glance at the little monitor to get the music's track-info and play-time info. And yet -- given its diminutive size and unobtrusive-yet-readily-visible placement in my equipment stand -- it's quite easy to ignore, as well.

I've spent most of today working on positioning a new SVS SB12-NSD sub in my living/HT room, and during the two hours or so that I was utilizing the Pure Mode to blacken the screen during listening tests, I found I was having to press the Pure Mode button far more often than I wanted to. Much easier just to have the small monitor always on.

So... I'm keepin' it.
Edited by B 26354 - 6/26/13 at 3:27pm
post #10009 of 16359
^ Absolutely! Having gone through the effort of finding "second screen" gear that works you should definitely make good use of it. And also thanks for posting the parts info on that. Yes, small HDMI displays are a bit tricky to find right now. One place to look is in gear intended for portable use -- e.g., in-car installation or as an in-the-field display monitor for a digital camera. These typically have a wall power option so you don't have to use batteries. It needs to be a unit that accepts 1080p and works with HDMI copy protection (which should be the case with ALL HDMI gear these days, but it needs to be said).

With the previous players it was easier because you could use the Composite Video output. There are a number of discussions in the 93/95 threads of folks using displays even as small a 7", but that worked because they ran the cable to their seating area and placed the small monitor next to the seating. As with all things HDMI, that's doable that way as well, but you may need to try a few cables before finding one that works well at that length. I suggest looking into the Redmere technology cables for that (they have a little, active circuit built into the plug end). Seems non-intuitive to get a good cable for a secondary display, but anything that avoids HDMI handshake problems is worth it.

Also, since the new display doesn't have a remote, you may still fine Pure Mode useful for blanking it out, too . . . . when you don't want to look at it. biggrin.gif
--Bob
post #10010 of 16359
^ Yeah... again, being someone who never uses "small-screen" devices at all, it wasn't until I started searching for them via Google and Amazon, that I woke up and remembered just how ubiquitous these little LCD monitors have become. Cars, vans, busses, video-camera monitors... they're everywhere. But as both you and I pointed out, it's easy to find one... but the HDMI/1080p-capable ones are really rare.

And most of those are fairly high-priced, as well... so when I found the Lilliput for around $180, in spite of the great reviews it had, I wasn't sure if its quality was gonna be all that good. Turns out, there was no need for concern at all. It's really very well built; very solid and sturdy.

And once more, regarding its size -- when I read jgaster's post about using a 5" one, eek.gif I assumed that he must have it sitting right next to him... and the picture in my head of a ten-foot HDMI cable running from my AV/TV stand out to a micro-monitor next to my viewing position, was NOT pretty. In fact, before I ordered the Lilliput, I printed a "life-sized" picture of it on some card-stock paper, and set it on top of my Oppo, where I planned for the real one to be. The picture even had a screen-shot of the actual music-playback display, so I could realistically determine whether or not I'd be able to read the white text, from my VP.

Hopefully, if I can find the time today, I'm gonna try to take a decent photo of my setup, and post it here, so others on here can get an idea of how well it's all ended up integrating.

Oh, hey... it didn't take me very long at all, last night, to figure out that in my darkened room, blanking out the small display with Pure Mode was -- as you say -- "useful". I am SO glad that you pointed out that function!

And, that being said... please add me to the 50,000 other posters on here who are eternally grateful, every single day, for the incredibly wide-ranging knowledge that both you and Bill M (and a good many others) are willing to so helpfully share with us.

LOVE my Oppo, and love this forum!
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OK, mkv rookie question. I have a show that's in French, with external English subtitles (srt) and apparently internal Spanish subtitles. If I play the file in Windows or on my WD TV, it shows the English subs, but if I play it on the Oppo, it shows the Spanish subs. How do I get the Oppo to use the external subs?
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As a follow-up to my recent posts about using a small LCD monitor to save my large plasma from image burn-in while listening to music stored on USB thumb-drives with my BDP-103, here are a couple of shots of my setup.

Oh... in order to head off the comments I expect to receive from all you sharp-eyed critics out there... yes, that is an SVS sub on the left and a Klipsch sub on the right. And yes, with full awareness of how ill-advised it is to do so -- not to mention blasphemous and heretical, along with being probable grounds for my being banned from AVS Forums altogether -- I do run them at the same time.

Fact is... for now, it actually does considerably even out the bass response at my viewing/listening position in my HT/livingroom... which was horrible, with just the Klipsch.

If it makes you feel better... I do intend to eventually replace the Klipsch with another identical SVS SB12-NSD.

Notice, however, that I said "eventually". wink.gif

OK then. Here's how the little monitor fits in:





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Originally Posted by Medieval Guy View Post

OK, mkv rookie question. I have a show that's in French, with external English subtitles (srt) and apparently internal Spanish subtitles. If I play the file in Windows or on my WD TV, it shows the English subs, but if I play it on the Oppo, it shows the Spanish subs. How do I get the Oppo to use the external subs?

Two ways:

(1) The subtitle file must have the same name has the MKV file, with ".srt" instead of ".mkv" as the extension. They must be in the same directory.

This will work on local storage or SMB, but not with DLNA.

(2) Or, use the free utility "mkvmerge" to make a new copy of your MKV files with subtitle file embedded. This should work wherever the file is located: local storage, SMB, or DLNA. The player won't need the external file.

Either way, the subtitle track should appear on the popup list when you use the Subtitle button on the remote, and you can select it as you would any other.

Note: currently the language tags that appear in that popup are missing for MKV files. I've reported that as a bug.

-Bill
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

As a follow-up to my recent posts about using a small LCD monitor to save my large plasma from image burn-in while listening to music stored on USB thumb-drives with my BDP-103, here are a couple of shots of my setup.

Nice setup. Now to the real meat of this.
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

Oh... in order to head off the comments I expect to receive from all you sharp-eyed critics out there... yes, that is an SVS sub on the left and a Klipsch sub on the right. And yes, with full awareness of how ill-advised it is to do so -- not to mention blasphemous and heretical, along with being probable grounds for my being banned from AVS Forums altogether -- I do run them at the same time.

Fact is... for now, it actually does considerably even out the bass response at my viewing/listening position in my HT/livingroom... which was horrible, with just the Klipsch.

If it makes you feel better... I do intend to eventually replace the Klipsch with another identical SVS SB12-NSD.

Notice, however, that I said "eventually". wink.gif

I think people are pretty tolerant here, but this pushes the boundaries of propriety. Half the people in my personal AVS club passed out when I read this to them and the other half are still throwing up.

So my advice is to cease and desist before we are forced to confiscate any copies of blurays that are listed in the top tier of the

"The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts" http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts

I think, as a show of good faith and contriteness, you should hand over the copy of "How to train your Dragon" that you are wilfully misplaying on the pictures where you so brazenly show your mismatched subs.

Maybe you should pack away the SVS until said matching SVS is available, provide proof of purchase and knee prints on the carpet to show you did the sub crawl for proper placement and your copy of HTTYDragon can be returned to you (you'll pay for shipping, of course).

Just my 2 cents to prevent further unpleasantness.

Great setup by the way ....
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Does anyone have an idea when the next official fw release may be due? Hopefully, it will solve various audio delay/sync/pop noise issues and - if the streaming gods are benevolent - provide an improved Netflix app.
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Just my 2 cents to prevent further unpleasantness.

Great setup by the way ....

I'm attempting to type this on my laptop while rolling on the livingroom floor, in the midst of uncontrollable convulsive hysterics. (Please take note that I said "rolling", not "crawling".)

That is exactly the Pulitzer Prize-winning sort of response I was hoping for!

WOW.

My most insincere condolences to your gastrically distressed compadres, by the way. Hopefully, they're regurgitating onto your AVS clubhouse floor, and not directly onto their unconscious fellows -- or your own home's carpeting... as I now consider you to be my all-time best friend and brother!

The boundaries of propriety notwithstanding... you are all hereby invited to drop by my place any time, for an evening's film and music playback fest, featuring the unrivaled center-stage sonority of my now-infamous Klipsch/SVS duet. Since the emphasis within the contents of my musical library is not predominantly bass-head in orientation... you can bring along whatever recorded music that you deem appropriate. I'll provide the beer and vodka, and the top twenty BDs from the Master BASS list. Empty five-gallon paint buckets will be placed strategically and conveniently throughout the house, should there be any occurrences of spontaneous emesis. Those prone to passing out -- or who feel a sudden urge to investigatively crawl -- need have no fear; my carpeting is heavily padded.

And... quite seriously... thanks. I really do love my setup! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Hi SeeMoreDigital,

Thanks for the reply!

I now know that it is supported in the specs of the firmwares but did you try some of the issues yourself, like trueHD tracks in bitstream mode and check for audio dropouts on DTS HD MA tracks in MKV? Also the chapter support in MKV?

If not, anybody else can confirm from experience of trying it that all I mentioned will work without glitches on an attached USB hard drive?

Thanks!

I've had no issues playing mkv files from a seagate 3TB drive attached to either front or rear usb ports. It plays the DTS HD MA track just fine. It takes a while for the 103 to recognize the drive and be able to display its contents.
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Originally Posted by B 26354 View Post

I'm attempting to type this on my laptop while rolling on the livingroom floor, in the midst of uncontrollable convulsive hysterics. (Please take note that I said "rolling", not "crawling".)

That is exactly the Pulitzer Prize-winning sort of response I was hoping for!

WOW.

My most insincere condolences to your gastrically distressed compadres, by the way. Hopefully, they're regurgitating onto your AVS clubhouse floor, and not directly onto their unconscious fellows -- or your own home's carpeting... as I now consider you to be my all-time best friend and brother!

The boundaries of propriety notwithstanding... you are all hereby invited to drop by my place any time, for an evening's film and music playback fest, featuring the unrivaled center-stage sonority of my now-infamous Klipsch/SVS duet. Since the emphasis within the contents of my musical library is not predominantly bass-head in orientation... you can bring along whatever recorded music that you deem appropriate. I'll provide the beer and vodka, and the top twenty BDs from the Master BASS list. Empty five-gallon paint buckets will be placed strategically and conveniently throughout the house, should there be any occurrences of spontaneous emesis. Those prone to passing out -- or who feel a sudden urge to investigatively crawl -- need have no fear; my carpeting is heavily padded.

And... quite seriously... thanks. I really do love my setup! biggrin.gif

Thanks, I will in due time find my way from the wilds of Boston to the SoCal dessert. Will bring bass heavy spinning things and remove the broomstick so I can walk normally and look askance at the unbalanced subs. The vodka and beer will help, hopefully served in the buckets.

Until then, enjoy the setup, brothah... (have to go native bostonian on you).
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

Well... Here's what the '0522B' release notes say...


Thanks so much for that. I was going nuts with the drifty lip sync when using my Cisco cable box. Oddly, the problem was mainly on basic package channels where I needed to change out to another input and back to HDMI back to get the sync back about every 15 minutes. Sync would drift both directions to varying degrees. On HBO, it could go an hour and stay quite close. Ninety minutes into this session the audio is still synced. I am happy again.
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Originally Posted by Bob_Ellis View Post

Thanks so much for that. I was going nuts with the drifty lip sync when using my Cisco cable box. Oddly, the problem was mainly on basic package channels where I needed to change out to another input and back to HDMI back to get the sync back about every 15 minutes. Sync would drift both directions to varying degrees. On HBO, it could go an hour and stay quite close. Ninety minutes into this session the audio is still synced. I am happy again.
Bob -- it was mostly due to the fact that the HBO shows don't have commercials and stay locked into one audio format for the entire program. Commercial TV flips between (sometimes -- due to the ads) DD5.1 and DD2.0, and that was where the issue was. It was losing sync in the transition between DD formats -- I observed this happening frequently with the previous release.
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