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post #1 of 13
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I currently stream Apple Lossless files via iTunes on PC to an Apple Airport Express to my Receiver.

I would prefer to stream FLAC files on my PC to my Receiver.

Does anyone know how this can be done?

Thanks!
post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by roadratx View Post

I would prefer to stream FLAC files on my PC to my Receiver.
Does anyone know how this can be done?

It is assumed your receiver is a DLNA client and will decode FLAC files, if true, then you could stream from a DLNA media server (Synology & others).

For Windows XP: there are plug-ins that are available for Windows Media Player that allows it to play and stream FLAC files. WMP has to be version 11 with Media Sharing setup. I have no knowledge of Vista or W7. FLAC info.
post #3 of 13
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I have an Onkyo TX-NR807. My PC is running Windows 7.

The Onkyo manual says this:

The AV receiver can play digital music files stored on a computer or media server and supports the
following technologies:
• Windows Media Player 11
• Windows Media Connect 2.0
• DLNA-certified media server
If the operating system of your computer is Windows Vista, Windows Media Player 11 is already
installed. Windows Media Player 11 for Windows XP can be downloaded for free from the Microsoft Web
site.
• The computer or media server must be on the same network as the AV receiver.
• Each folder may contain up to 2000 music files, and
folders may be nested up to 10 levels deep.


Does this mean it can do it? If so, does it stream via ethernet or wireless? How do I connect it? They are both already on the same network.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by roadratx View Post

I have an Onkyo TX-NR807. My PC is running Windows 7.
The Onkyo manual says this:
The AV receiver can play digital music files stored on a computer or media server and supports the
following technologies:
• Windows Media Player 11
• Windows Media Connect 2.0
• DLNA-certified media server
If the operating system of your computer is Windows Vista, Windows Media Player 11 is already
installed. Windows Media Player 11 for Windows XP can be downloaded for free from the Microsoft Web
site.
• The computer or media server must be on the same network as the AV receiver.
• Each folder may contain up to 2000 music files, and
folders may be nested up to 10 levels deep.
Does this mean it can do it? If so, does it stream via ethernet or wireless? How do I connect it? They are both already on the same network.

You need to setup the DLNA server on your Windows PC, google "Windows 7 DLNA", you can use Windows Media Player as a server, but I don't know if it will handle FLAC or not. Once the server is setup, the receiver should see it (wireless is fine for music), assuming they are in the same workgroup/subnet.
post #5 of 13
Be aware that you will not be able to stream hi-res or multichannel flac files in this manner
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by grambo View Post

You need to setup the DLNA server on your Windows PC, google "Windows 7 DLNA", you can use Windows Media Player as a server, but I don't know if it will handle FLAC or not. Once the server is setup, the receiver should see it (wireless is fine for music), assuming they are in the same workgroup/subnet.

First, thanks for helping me out here.

So, I have had success on two fronts:

1. I was able to get WMP to play FLAC
2. I Was able to setup the DLNA server on my Win7 PC

What do I do now? How do I tell WMP to play via the Onkyo rather than thru my PC Speakers?

On iTunes, there's an option at the bottom of the window to tell iTunes where to push the music to.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by roadratx View Post

How do I tell WMP to play via the Onkyo rather than thru my PC Speakers?

Its the reverse of this. WMP is acting as a server (source) and your Onkyo is the client, that is you tell the Onkyo to play the files on the DLNA server.

I was going to suggest that you try Oremote to control your Onkyo but it may be of little help for the Onkyo TX-NR807 because:
Quote:
The following models do not have search capabilities, album art or on-screen menus. This is due to a limitation in the OEM's network protocol:
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Its the reverse of this. WMP is acting as a server (source) and your Onkyo is the client, that is you tell the Onkyo to play the files on the DLNA server.
I was going to suggest that you try Oremote to control your Onkyo but it may be of little help for the Onkyo TX-NR807 because:

Does that mean to "see" the source files on my PC, I would have to have the Onkyo's on screen display visible on the TV? In other words, to do this I need to have the TV on as well?

Is there another music software other than iTunes to "push" the music to the Receiver?

Actually, what I am doing now is pushing FROM my PC to the Apple Airport Express which in turn is connected to the Receiver. Thus, the Airport is a middle man.

Is there some other piece of hardware to replace the Airport if the Receiver cant be pushed to?
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by roadratx View Post

Does that mean to "see" the source files on my PC, I would have to have the Onkyo's on screen display visible on the TV? In other words, to do this I need to have the TV on as well?
Is there another music software other than iTunes to "push" the music to the Receiver?
Actually, what I am doing now is pushing FROM my PC to the Apple Airport Express which in turn is connected to the Receiver. Thus, the Airport is a middle man.
Is there some other piece of hardware to replace the Airport if the Receiver cant be pushed to?

Sorry, I am not familiar with the Onkyo TX-NR807, I have the Onkyo PR-SC5508P audio/video processor which works quite well with Oremote (via a iPad). The only real down side to using the 5508 as a music media player is the muting relay clicking between each song. When I use my Panasonic DMP-BDT220 as a music media player there is no muting problem. The down side, must have a monitor on to see playlist, selection, etc. The Panasonic iPad app for this model is just transport control. I am waiting to see how well the new Popcorn Hour A-400 performs, if it works well I may procure one. My media server (video, photo & music) is a Synology DS212j (NAS).

Can not help with the rest.

Forgot to add: check in the Receivers, AMPs, and Processors section to see if anyone can help with the 807. See the post below for one opinion on the 807. For me the ideal media player will be one that can play my various media files with out issues and can be fully controlled by my iPad, it appears the coming Popcorn Hour A-400 my be that device.
Edited by Wendell R. Breland - 10/5/12 at 5:25am
post #10 of 13
I have the 807, generally like it. However I long ago abandoned the network function, it's just clumsy in it's implementation, and often stubborn and hard to use. I'm firmly in the camp that states and audio receiver should be used to generate sound, and display to show images and a media streamer to feed both items content. You can get a nice media streamer for well under a $100, I use a $50 WD Live to stream music and movies. Was just streaming a FLAC file this afternoon, no issues, easy navigation, great sound.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by Matt L View Post

I have the 807, generally like it. However I long ago abandoned the network function, it's just clumsy in it's implementation, and often stubborn and hard to use. I'm firmly in the camp that states and audio receiver should be used to generate sound, and display to show images and a media streamer to feed both items content. You can get a nice media streamer for well under a $100, I use a $50 WD Live to stream music and movies. Was just streaming a FLAC file this afternoon, no issues, easy navigation, great sound.

Do you control the WD Live via some remote control (like an ipad app) that let's you browse your library, or do you hav to turn on a TV in order to browse?
post #12 of 13
You need to use the TV to identify what you want via a remote control, after that you can turn it of. I have a lot of music on my server, drilling down on the 807 was too time consuming. The added plus for me is the WD can play my ripped movies too.

I spent way too much time and effort trying to get various units that had supposed DNLA support to do what was claimed they could do. The Onkyo, my various TV's and Blu Ray players all claimed they could stream content, but after way too many hours and too many DNLA servers I gave up. A simple media streamer box is much, much more competent and easy to use.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by Matt L View Post

You need to use the TV to identify what you want via a remote control, after that you can turn it of. I have a lot of music on my server, drilling down on the 807 was too time consuming. The added plus for me is the WD can play my ripped movies too.
I spent way too much time and effort trying to get various units that had supposed DNLA support to do what was claimed they could do. The Onkyo, my various TV's and Blu Ray players all claimed they could stream content, but after way too many hours and too many DNLA servers I gave up. A simple media streamer box is much, much more competent and easy to use.

I agree. That's why I like the Logitech solution -- streams any audio and can be controlled from a tablet or PC so I don't need to turn the projector on.

But since Logitech is scuttling the Squeezebox ecosystem, I know that sooner or later I need a new solution that handles flac, doesn't require a display to be on, and is reliable (this last one was iffy with Squeezebox but good enough) without breaking the bank (eg, Sonos).
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