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Originally Posted by cyclist247 View Post

If someone is only here to bash all NAD products which they don't own, how is that helpful?

Dude, do you know what's called conflict of interest? The person who speaks well of a brand/products and/or attempt to cover up/mute especially poor feedback where this person gets to benefit directly/indirectly from the brand good image and reputation is a good example.

I admired your effort in keeping the brand in good term just that if the budget airline is skipping all the routine check and replacement and the track record shows, how long can the marketing dept keeps advertising "The Safest yet Most Economic Airline that flies you comfortably to your destination!!" before everyone realized that it's not the case?

Airline is a good example for other industries to benchmark with as we see airlines which approach the issues on their planes and/or incidents by sheer focus on total customers satisfaction and rectifying the root cause of the problem for good continue to thrive on and enjoy success. I am not here to bring down any brand nor with the intention to do so. I have experienced the brand's products reliability issue that brings unreasonable amount of inconveniences and interruption to the ownership experience that is alerting enough for me to share such encounter to those who cares. Am i wasting valuable data storage or not talking sense and/or has a poor mastering of English to get everyone to understand what i am trying to say?

I echo what the moderator said "if you're not here to help, pls move on..". If you're trying to help, pls help to make NAD consistently reliable and help those who has encountered issues with their NAD to solve their problems. It's more productive for the brand as a result.
post #33 of 78
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Originally Posted by Hifi4Hobby View Post

Dude, I echo what the moderator said "if you're not here to help, pls move on..". If you're trying to help, pls help to make NAD consistently reliable and help those who has encountered issues with their NAD to solve their problems. It's more productive for the brand as a result.

So take your own advice and move on.

The moderator meant for you to help the OP by staying on topic. Your motive to help NAD make better producs does not help the OP and is off topic.

To the OP, I just purchased a NAD 787 and will be comparing it to my separates shortly. I'll report back.
Edited by snyderkv - 5/26/13 at 10:39pm
post #34 of 78
Just received the T787. I can't tell the difference between it and my separates although I wasn't able to do an A/B in a controlled environment. It actually runs cool unlike cheaper brands like Onkyo so I'm able to put it in a cabinet without burning up. It goes louder than I like to play without any audible distortion. It sounds so good running my ML EFX that I understand why it has no DSP sound fields.

I highly recomend it smile.gif
Edited by snyderkv - 7/11/13 at 1:06am
post #35 of 78
Glad to hear your opinions. I've had mine for about 6 months and am
overall really pleased. It replaced a Lexicon RV-8 receiver which was also
an excellent unit. Only problem I've had is that sometimes during very dynamic
movie passages the unit triggers it's circuit breaker and shuts down. Perhaps
it's trying to tell me I'm listening too loud !
post #36 of 78
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

Glad to hear your opinions. I've had mine for about 6 months and am
overall really pleased. It replaced a Lexicon RV-8 receiver which was also
an excellent unit. Only problem I've had is that sometimes during very dynamic
movie passages the unit triggers it's circuit breaker and shuts down. Perhaps
it's trying to tell me I'm listening too loud !

Weird, I have logans that dip pretty low and haven't had it shut down however, my dads old Kenwood also shutdown when I blasted it for fun but that's not my ideal listening volume.
post #37 of 78
I don't think it's the low frequencies as much as the very high one's. One in particular was in the "Borne Legacy"
when they were trying to kill him with drones...............I did have it loud however but it just shut down. It's
not enough to make me worry as 98% of "action" movies are fine.
post #38 of 78
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

I don't think it's the low frequencies as much as the very high one's. One in particular was in the "Borne Legacy"
when they were trying to kill him with drones...............I did have it loud however but it just shut down. It's
not enough to make me worry as 98% of "action" movies are fine.

I'm sure there are less powerfull AVRs that will not shut down but possibly at the expense of running hotter. I noticed the NAD is cool to the touch after an action movie. An onkyo would probably melt if it was in a cabinet. You may have to go separates if you're concerned Measure the DB level/1 meter at c weighting if you get the chance. I'd be interested to know where it's shutting off at. My Martin Logan EFX dips down to 1.6 Ohms but the NAD has been handling it at my listening level apparently.
post #39 of 78
You are right on the heat from the NAD, it really never gets very warm during any
kind of "workout". I was previously using a Lexicon and it could get pretty warm.
I don't think the NAD has a fan, or if it does it is totally silent ! I do have a meter
and perhaps I can think to get it out previous to viewing and get a reading. Thanks
for your thoughts, they are right on the mark.
post #40 of 78
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

You are right on the heat from the NAD, it really never gets very warm during any
kind of "workout". I was previously using a Lexicon and it could get pretty warm.
I don't think the NAD has a fan, or if it does it is totally silent ! I do have a meter
and perhaps I can think to get it out previous to viewing and get a reading. Thanks
for your thoughts, they are right on the mark.

I am pretty sure it has several fans. My T775HD has five fans in the bottom! Look in the bottom.
post #41 of 78
I am going to take your word 100% on the fans. If there is one thing I don't want to do this weekend it is
mess up my myriad of connections and/or my old body trying to gently lift this baby.........it is pretty
heavy and in a tight space. Take care.
post #42 of 78
Picked up my NAD T787, Oppo BDP-105 BluRay player, and PSB Imagine T2 speaker set about 6 months ago.
While I am quite pleased with the system, I find that when I apply Audyssey Multeq, it colors the vocals to the point that they sound like compressed audio (think bad Skype connection).
Although my local NAD rep has been useless, Audyssey, PSB, and NAD have been very supportive...however, no one has come up with an answer.

Since the Audyssey calibration has not provided any satisfactory results, I choose to run the system without any enhancement. Still rocks!

Overall, the T787 is extremely quiet and built like a tank (55 lbs). The user interface is simple...no fancy gui. The remote lights up blue whenever you touch it...and since it is backlit, you can read the keys...VERY NICE! The sound is stunning. Very crisp and true. Clean power. No distortion, hiss or hum...finally!

Movies or music, this system has plenty of power to satisfy both needs without compromise. If you think this system is strictly meant for todays a/v mix, wait till you hear what you have been missing when you play some Steely Dan or YES.
post #43 of 78
I have a T777 and noticed the same thing re: Audyssey at least as far as the dialogue in certain movies. I reran the calibration a few times and it is better than it was....it kept setting my center to large and towers to small. I manually set the center to small. There are a couple of movies (Live and Let Die in particular on blu ray) where the dialogue sounds strange with Audyssey applied but most others sound good. I actually created a preset with there mains set to large for 2 channel listening and no Audyessey settings applied with the exception of the speaker distances. Sounds great! I have an Oppo BDP-95 and KEF R900 towers and R600 center.
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I guess that makes 3 of us, concerning the Audyssey set up. After the initial calibration I felt the center channel
became, for lack of a better phrase, "unclear". What I did was just modify some of the settings and am pretty
happy with things now. At least I know I am not the only one questioning the calibration.
post #45 of 78
I can't wait for the XT32 card to be released, but It might not be until a 787 replacement comes out which might not be for a while since it really doesn't get better than this. It definately replaces my seperates without any drawbacks.
post #46 of 78
Good to know that I am not the only one who has issues with the vocals with this unit.
Even with Audyssey turned off, there is still some noticeable and undesired vocal coloring...Direct or Stereo Downmix, it is still present. Audyssey really makes it more pronounced.
post #47 of 78
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Originally Posted by GunterYa View Post

Good to know that I am not the only one who has issues with the vocals with this unit.
Even with Audyssey turned off, there is still some noticeable and undesired vocal coloring...Direct or Stereo Downmix, it is still present. Audyssey really makes it more pronounced.

Just an observation, according to a professional review, the mids on the PSB T2 were a little colored to begin with. So it's possible that the better amp is just exacerbating the speakers coloration and you're not used to it.
post #48 of 78

Are you talking about the Nad or what? I just bought one and can not hear it because I am out of the country for two months, can not wait to set it up!!

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Are you talking about the Nad shutting down on overload?

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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

I don't think it's the low frequencies as much as the very high one's. One in particular was in the "Borne Legacy"
when they were trying to kill him with drones...............I did have it loud however but it just shut down. It's
not enough to make me worry as 98% of "action" movies are fine.

JeRed, are you talking about the Nad T787 cutting out on overload?

post #51 of 78
Yes that is what I meant. It's done it on several blu ray's the last being the latest Star Trek movie.
post #52 of 78
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

Yes that is what I meant. It's done it on several blu ray's the last being the latest Star Trek movie.
That is strange. What is the ohm load on your speakers? Are you running 7.1 or 5.1? It would upset me if this happened to me. I just bought one and havent tried it due to being offshore. I am running Mission M35's
post #53 of 78
I am running it in 7.1, I am not super happy about it either but it is the only problem with
the unit. I use some really old speakers (legacy's) and am not sure of the ohm load, perhaps
they are too close to 4 (or even less ?). I never had this happen with my older RV-8 however.
It's still a really nice unit, though.
post #54 of 78
Ok, one thing I can tell you for sure, low ohms and high load causes that, I had that with my Yamaha amp, driving Celestains. I upgraded my active sub to a 15" 450w rms, took out the plates that connect the floor stander subs and problem was gone. It turned out the load was too much for the amp. That upsets me though, because I bought this Nad amp to upgrade and to get away from this issue. Two massive transformers should handle it.
post #55 of 78
How we
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Originally Posted by JeRed View Post

I am running it in 7.1, I am not super happy about it either but it is the only problem with
the unit. I use some really old speakers (legacy's) and am not sure of the ohm load, perhaps
they are too close to 4 (or even less ?). I never had this happen with my older RV-8 however.
It's still a really nice unit, though.
how well is it in stereo mode?
post #56 of 78
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Originally Posted by Hifi4Hobby View Post

You have had bad luck, or you have power supply issues. Something is wrong. A dear friend of mine has been a Nad supplier for over 30 years. He recommended the T787 so strongly he gave it to me without taking a profit. He also seemed so passionate and convicted I had to buy it. I am a technician offshore, but posess skills in alot of fields. It is my opinion that you have a different problem. One high end product does not choose one person to victomise. No, if everything breaks in your audio room then go back to the drawing board. Measure the impedance to ground and between condutors of you house plug wires, in the walls. Make sure you do not have dampness issues by using a hydro meter where your amp normally stand. Check your speaker impedance, check your source output voltage and so on. Sorry my friend, there is no way one man can have so much trouble with different products and never suspect the problem to be elsewhere. That is just my opinion. I guess many more will agree. Can all the Nad fans comment on their good or bad luck with any of the products Nad offers? I really hope you get your stuff sorted out. You made me real nervous caus this is my first Nad amp, the T787, and I would hate to be as unlucky as you at this price!
No doubt every brand has lemons but it depends how they handle the case to the end. In many case, the units werent abused and were used in proper manner but the consistency of the reliability isnt there so when products keep failing, would you put the blame on the customers when others also experience the same? And if you're selling a product that stands at $4000/piece, how much frustration and inconvenience are you willing to accept for what apparently is the reliability the manufacturer needs to rectify? 2 years is just the minimum duration what a well reputable electronics brand products should last for. What happen after the 2 years when the warranty lapsed? Should something goes wrong, are you willing to pay for it? You add these after warranty cost of repair, the products offering ended up isnt as "value buy" as you thought and led to believe.

In my case, I have loud hissing noise from the original unit followed by the 2nd replacement units totally malfunctioned all within a year!! So should i blame myself for bad luck in choosing this brand and accept them to take apart the unit, replaced whatever seem not working and give you back the units to take it home and cross your fingers that you dont jinx the units again? I spent $11k on their products and frankly my previous system which cost half of the cost works so much more reliable out of the box and perform superbly until i decided that the NADs are better by the looks and spec and switched over to the nightmare. So much so for "dont judge a book by its cover" huh?

I just think that it isnt right for manufacturer to take advantage of the consumers who is tolerable and patient with sub par products reliability and continue to ride on such trend to their glory. If you have a problem, admit it and work it out at the best interest of the customers, not pointing at them and said "the units might be abused or other factors in the customer's place that can cause the products to malfunction!!" and "since customer isnt not cooperative, there's nothing much we can do" kind of lame excuses.

If for sets broke down within the 1st month, by you insisting for a new replacement sets is termed "not cooperative" and with the 2nd sets showing popping/high pitching sound and you followed through with their technician for step by step diagnose and took the effort to do firmware flashing is termed "not cooperative" and by you ran out of patient to take time off to do all these and possibly more time off for what's to come therefore ask for the refund is termed "not cooperative", tell me what's then? mad.gif
Returns might be the smaller portion of it but i think more like those are the units that failed/malfunctioned and were returned and replaced by the manufacturer and then subsequently repaired and sold as "refurbs". My 1st returned sets were also sold to the other customers which to date these units are performing faultlessly according to the manufacturer. So i guess the "refurbs" units do perform better than factory A stock in this particular brand smile.gif

So based on my own experience, if you are experiencing any weird behavior on these gears, pls video it so you stand to have the proof to defense yourself should the inevitable happens (pls record the serial number as well). At least you wont ended up like me with $11k worth of products sitting at the corner collecting dust!!!

Hence, if you're a very patient person and believed you have huge dose of luck, then just ignore what i have shared and go ahead and try them..you might be well rewarded cool.gif
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I'm sure there are less powerfull AVRs that will not shut down but possibly at the expense of running hotter. I noticed the NAD is cool to the touch after an action movie. An onkyo would probably melt if it was in a cabinet. You may have to go separates if you're concerned Measure the DB level/1 meter at c weighting if you get the chance. I'd be interested to know where it's shutting off at. My Martin Logan EFX dips down to 1.6 Ohms but the NAD has been handling it at my listening level apparently.
That is impressive to handle 1,6ohm loads. Are you running stereo on that ohms or more speakers? What is your listening volumes while watching movies? Cinema loudness?
post #59 of 78
No doubt the NADT787 is a fine audio machine, however, after months of tweaking and working with the NAD rep, NAD engineers, PSB speaker engineers, and the Audyssey engineers, I gave up trying to "fix" the clarity issues with dialogue. Several people have posted that this system colors the dialogue, making it difficult to understand when watching videos...let me tell you...it does.

My dealer was kind enough to exchange the T787 for the SC79 Elite and I couldn't be happier!

What? Pioneer? Really??
Yeah, really! The SC79 is unbelievably crisp! Everything about it is so advanced in every way. I no longer have to constantly tweak the audio settings during a video.

If you are looking for a "warmer" sound, audio only, then the T787 is for you.
However, if you require a system that will mainly be used for video content, then by all means, seriously look into the SC79.
(Both units were connected to an OPPO BDP-105 Blu-ray player).

The SC79 has a selectable setting to "warm" the sound or make it "crisp". (The NAD is a tad warmer...but not much).
The SC79 also boasts an amazing menu of THX selectable effects that really adds a true surround cinematic experience.
The SC79 MCACC calibration (and the means to tweak the calibrated results/settings) is superb! All in a nice GUI.
Also, with my 7.1 setup I am able to BI-AMP the SC79...not possible with the T787. You will notice the difference!

Although not required, it even has an equalizer and dialogue enhancement feature...(maybe for real old videos??)
The SC79 features Virtual Height and Virtual Width and selectable placement/location settings for your surrounds.
The SC79 help menu is far superior in depth and detail.
4K ready.

All video and audio settings are available on an APP for your phone making it easier to tweak in the dark instead of fumbling for a remote. (By the way, the backlit remote of the T787 is much better than the SC79 remote so download the APP if you get the SC79).

Again, I am not bashing the T787. Both units deliver exceptional quality and a true home theater experience.
You need to evaluate your requirements.
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Originally Posted by GunterYa View Post

My dealer was kind enough to exchange the T787 for the SC79 Elite and I couldn't be happier!

What? Pioneer? Really??
Yeah, really! .

3 posts, kinda sound like a salesman. I have no issues with vocals.

I did purchase a crappy Onkyo 3010 for the 11.1 NEO:X and XT32. Unforuntately high end gear drags their feet on features.
Edited by snyderkv - 10/13/13 at 7:54am
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