Official Owners' Thread, Panasonic PT-AE8000U (US version) PT-AT6000E (European version) - Page 5

Wow. That was ummm........ an interesting read. Punctuation and lack of caps lock works wonders when trying to get your point across.

Give the guy a break...maybe English is not his first language. Let's stay on topic...AE8000:D

I'M. PRETTY SURE. NOT CAPITALIZING ALL OF YOUR. WORDS. AND PROPER PUNCTUATION. IS UNIVERSAL ACROSS ALL. LANGUAGES..................................................

Don't see you whining to him about staying on topic, which his post had zero relation to the thread.

CARRY ON.

Regardless of what he typed and the way he typed it...you understood the point he was trying to get across. Again...No need to pick on the guy or on me for defending him...we are all just trying to get info here correct? Some people take things too seriously

I have better things to do with my time than to worry about proper grammar ,you jerk(for lack of better words)

There's a reason proper etiquette is used on the forum. Trying to read all caps posts are a pain. If we all typed that way the forum would be a disaster. It's common courtesy. Do you understand the point I'm trying to get across?

It sure seems he knows proper English based on his last two posts (well close to it anyways). Any other excuses you want to make for him?

I'm sorry some of us use our time to talk intelligently with other people. I didn't realize speaking properly was a waste of time. I guess so is college education, holding a job......................

Yeah, 1469 posts in almost nine years is certainly wasting my life away. Man, all the wasted time. Thank you for alerting me to the error of my ways before I wasted any more time on this forum.

ass addict did I push the right buttons?
I earn almost 100k a year,I don't think I'm in need of a college education.

xxxxxxxxxx (edited to keep from stooping to your level)

I know plenty of people who make six figure incomes that have zero sense. Your posts continue to prove this point.
Edited by bass addict - 10/22/12 at 9:58pm

It seems to me that you don't know when to quit.
So I will be the adult here and let you have the last insult.

That's the most intelligent post you've made all night. I didn't want to make you out to be a liar ( in reference to getting in the last insult, so I obliged you).

That being said, no hard feelings. It sure is nice when people don't type using caps locks. After reading someones' long drawn out post using them you'll appreciate what I'm saying.

Ok back on topic again. Here is the link to the long awaited review from Projectorreviews:


http://www.projectorreviews.com/panasonic/pt-ae8000/index.php

Pros:
•A very bright "brightest" mode, - A light canon with over 2000 usable lumens, six hundred calibrated
•Very clean 3D, three brightness settings
•3D glasses exceptionally light, very comfortable
•Truly outstanding placement flexibility
•Lens Memory - for using widescreens without an anamorphic lens (a real plus for some)
•CFI - smooth motion, one of the smoothest/best, many may even use for movie viewing, who would not engage most others for same
•Calibrates very nicely, though not the absolute most natural color
•3 HDMI 1.4a (Blu-ray 3D compatible) inputs
•480hz panels for faster response time, including gaming
•Nice remote control
•CFI and Dynamic iris both function in 3D!
•Works with 3rd party glasses, as well as some brands like Epson and some Optoma
•Excellent Lamp Life (4000/5000 hours)
•Very quiet operation, even at full power
•Extensive, and well laid out menus
•Dark finish, which is ideal for most home theaters
•Waveform monitor and split screen adjustments for the enthusiast/tweaker
•An excellent value - it simply does more of most things, for less than most of the competition

Cons:
•Short warranty - 2 year Parts/labor, but only 2000 hours maximum on the warranty. Definitely less warranty than most competitors
•Lamp brightness control hard to find on menu
•Good black levels for the price range (for 2D/3D projectors) but still could be improved significantly, to be fully competitive
•Not quite as sharp as some
•Detail enhancement not as effective as

A fantastic review, but it's still exasperating that no one is discussing crosstalk as specifically compared to the AE-7000. The review states that crosstalk is "minimal". Okay, but that's not quantifiable. I could state that I believe crosstalk on the 7000 is "minimal".

Is crosstalk improved over the 7000 or not? It seems like such a simple question. Why can no one answer it?

I am totally in agreement with "JamesN". The much heralded review from Art that we've all been waiting for barely touches base on the subject of 3D at all (other than it's a light canon with minimal crosstalk). Isn't that one of the main reasons anyone is even considering this projector? It's the typical "let's not forget about the upcoming Epson release that is sure to take the black level catagory" foder . I'm beginning to think Art shouldn't be reviewing a 3D projector at all. He didn't even care to get into the menu and expound upon 3D motion remaster or any of the other advances this projector claims to make that are meant to minimalize crosstalk. Isn't this what someone who "reviews" for a living supposed to do? All I can say is thank god for these forums. This is where you find out exactly how much this projector can do.

+1

Very true. We can trust only real owner''s reviews.
All I can do for now is waiting for owners receive their glasses...

Presumably those still waiting for glasses aren't previous 7000 owners (or they would already have a pair). Only someone intimately familiar with the 7000 is going to be able to answer the question of whether Panasonic has been able to reduce crosstalk further in the 8000.

And to be clear, I wasn't criticizing Art's review. I thought it was a fantastic review. It just didn't go into the depth that I would have liked for 3-D (pun intended).

http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-pt-at6000e_Projector_review_3d-performance-and-verdict_Page-3#tr-review-summary

Trusted Reviews were more impressed with the 6000/8000 blacks than Projector Reviews was. Hmmmm....
Thanks!

it's very easy to take the 'through the glasses' screenshots. None of the pro reviews will commit to this for some reason. it's the one time screenshots are very close to what the eye is actually seeing with the glasses on.

otherwise, comments on crosstalk are purely subjective imo. The only projectors that can do it flawlessly are the DLP's, so it's a matter of how well the LCD/LCOS/SXRD panel's can handle scenes with strong parallax and high contrast (dark on light, etc).

Less words, more photos should be the theme on a '3D' review.

I agree with you about DLP's ghost free 3D, I own Acer h5360bd. But unfortunately, there is RBE(wich I see btw) and 1080p DLPs are not quite as bright as LCD Pannasonic AE8000 or Epson 5010/5020 for example (I'm not a brightness fanatic, but it's very important for my 14.5 feet wide screen with gain 1.2)

I have an offer(request) to ae8k owners in USA (I'm not sure that you guys get me right...).
Send your Panny to Zombie 10k for a couple days, he can make his review with all important measurements like crosstalk, D65 lumens, native contrast etc... And Panny can take a part in his shootout vol.2
Ofcourse if Jason doesn't mind ;-)
Edited by Yusuf.0088 - 10/23/12 at 1:41pm

I am updating on my previous experience on 3D. I was watching the opening ceremony of the London Olympics in 3D last night. Well, the effects and everything was spectacular. But I did find some ghosting in a few scenes. I have just noticed some ghosting in this video. But it was not very distracting to me. If u scan the image just for it, then of course, you end up getting distracted. But if you take in your stride, it doe not spoil the experience for me.
Movies and Documentaries seems to be perfect.
I had set the mode to Dynamic.

It was interesting to follow the ebb and flow of the discussions regarding ghosting in the 7000 Owners thread. (For full disclosure, I am a 7000 owner who purchased one of the very first units.) At first, owners were reporting "zero" ghosting and that it was the finest 3-D they had ever seen. Then little by little, others began reporting "minor" ghosting on certain content. These initial reports were met with skepticism by some. "How could my brand new projector not be perfect?" Little by little, more and more owners began reporting ghosting and the pendulum swung the other way. Some were calling it "unacceptable" and "unwatchable" and even returning their units.

It became clear that user experiences and expectations were all over the map. A few folks worked with Panasonic reps to try to narrow down the reasons why users were having such vastly different experiences regarding ghosting. Some believed that they had determined that 3-D performance in the 7000 was heat related -- that crosstalk was reduced once the unit was properly warmed up for 15 minutes or so and advocated certain projector settings to avoid cooling off the panels too much (e.g. avoiding high altitude mode).

After thrashing around from "zero" ghosting to "unwatchable", opinions on the 7000's 3-D performance seemed to eventually settle somewhere in the middle: a moderate, but tolerable, amount of ghosting depending on media content and proper warm-up of the pj.


It will be interesting to see how experiences with the 8000 play out.

It will play out the same...

Was this side-by-side 3d? That has lots of ghosting on my plasma but zero with full 3d.

Just got the 8000 in the mail, will be turning it on tonight, CANT WAIT
Currently I placed it next to my 4000, its about the same size, but definitely looks sleeker
Then I had to head back to work.. didn't even get to turn it on.

I will be making some screenshot comparisons between the 2 using my DSLR Canon 60D
camera on manual with same aperture, ISO, and shutter speed..

we can compare black levels, contrast, colors etc.

Any requests on which modes to compare? Or even specific scenes from popular movies (I have a large collection) like a particular high contrast scene you would like to see.
Keep in mind that my 4000 has 800 hours on the bulb.
I will probably be comparing normal bulb mode on the 4000 to eco bulb mode on the 8000 for all comparisons to make up for the 800 hours on the 4000
4000 is now for sale as well

I do have 2 pairs of glasses (3rd gen) but I have never seen 3D on a 7000 to compare this to, sorry guys, you won't be getting any crosstalk comparisons from me regarding 7000 vs 8000

Awesome Jeff....looking forward to your pics and review!

Yup it was Half SBS. Full HD 3D does play without any ghosting.

Had my 8000 up for a few days just projecting on my wall while waiting for my screen to come in. It's amazing. I guess I'm a novice when it comes to AV stuff, as this is my first projector, but I'm absolutely blown away. Haven't gotten my 3D glasses yet so I can't comment on the crosstalk. But everything I've tried on this thing is absolutely superb. Blows my LED LCD TV out of the water. Everyone who has seen my 8000 has said that the picture looks like you're viewing everything live out of a window. Pretty cool. I can't imagine anyone that is considering this projector would be unhappy with it.

where did you get your AE8000 from?
thanks