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post #2131 of 3236

I just received mine about four hours ago and I've had a huge grin on my face the whole time. I'm in GTA 5 heaven. Incredibly crisp colors and fast response time. wonderful contrast, super bright and zero controller lag especially in "fast" frame mode. I'm running an xbox 360 into an onkyo 5.1 surround setup which is feeding hdmi to the projector.

 

so basically, highly recommended for gaming. PC games look even more ridiculous. Dirt 3 is just nuts on a 110 inch screen

post #2132 of 3236
Yes the 8000 has the best input lag for gaming than other projectors in it's price range.
post #2133 of 3236
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Yes the 8000 has the best input lag for gaming than other projectors in it's price range.

I believe there are several dlp's that are notably better. BTW did you end up deciding on the Panasonic ae8000 and screen?

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Originally Posted by Kragger99 View Post

Hey gang, I'm new to the Projector HT stuff, but recently purchased a new home that is set up for one. I plan to do gaming on it, and heard the input lag was really bad on some projectors (Epson 5020 was my initial choice). I've heard it's decent on this one, and this one seems to meet most of the other requirements I have. Can anyone here confirm that the 8000 is great for gaming?

If you are a competitive gamer I don't think there is a single projector that is up to the task. However if what you are wanting is one that is okay for single player and some casual multiplayer then they can be fine.
post #2134 of 3236
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post


I believe there are several dlp's that are notably better. BTW did you end up deciding on the Panasonic ae8000 and screen?
If you are a competitive gamer I don't think there is a single projector that is up to the task. However if what you are wanting is one that is okay for single player and some casual multiplayer then they can be fine.

Yes, I'm not really competitive, but don't want to experience significant lag. I don't think the Epson 5020 will meet my gaming needs, but the Panasonic 8000 sounds like it will. I'll do some more research, but I'm sure leaning towards this one now.

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Originally Posted by Kragger99 View Post

Yes, I'm not really competitive, but don't want to experience significant lag. I don't think the Epson 5020 will meet my gaming needs, but the Panasonic 8000 sounds like it will. I'll do some more research, but I'm sure leaning towards this one now.

It is a great projector, if you give me a few days I should be able to test one out a bit more and report back with my findings. I won't be doing technical measurements though as I don't have the equipment for that.
post #2136 of 3236
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post


It is a great projector, if you give me a few days I should be able to test one out a bit more and report back with my findings. I won't be doing technical measurements though as I don't have the equipment for that.

That would be greatly appreciated :)   The post at the top of this page sounds extremely promising as well.

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Hi guys, I just bought a AE8000U and it's pretty good all around but the high pitched whining sound it emits is driving me crazy, especially because it's only about 3 ft above my head (installed in my basement in the duct framing that extends below the ceiling). I had this issue with my old Sony AW11 but I hated it back then too. I read a couple threads that others have had this issue too so a couple questions if anyone could answer would be awesome:

1. What is the high pitched whining sound coming from? One reason I got the AE8000U is the low noise level, but the whining is louder and more distracting that the fan so it's kind of irrelevant.

2. Is the whining sound generally on all/most projectors, or certain types or quality projectors (e.g. not on high end projectors? How widespread is it for the AE8000U?

3. Am I likely to have the same issue if I get a different AE8000U? Or should I try a different projector instead?

Thanks in advance for any info/input!
post #2138 of 3236
I can say that I have not heard any "high pitched whining sound " on my 8000. I have put my head right up to it to listen and all I hear is the quiet whir of the fan.
post #2139 of 3236
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Originally Posted by SirMaster View Post

I can say that I have not heard any "high pitched whining sound " on my 8000. I have put my head right up to it to listen and all I hear is the quiet whir of the fan.

Thanks, I wish that's all I could hear too! I was excited to get this PJ since the noise was rated pretty low (22 dB on eco mode).

I'll try to record the sound tonight and post a link but it's kind of like a mosquito's whining sound (only worse) -- high frequency and although not particularly loud, it is very noticeable when there isn't a lot of sound coming out of the speakers and very annoying. It's the same kind of whining sound my old Sony AW11 made, although in that projector I believe it didn't happen from the very beginning but down the line it started to make that sound (although it was years ago so I'm not certain about that). Maybe I'll have to return this one and hope to get another one that doesn't emit this annoying whining sound.
post #2140 of 3236

I have very sensitive hearing, I know exactly the kind of sound you are talking about. It was terrible on this mitsubishi project I had years ago. However, I just got an 8000u and it IS the quietest projector I have ever owned. I do not hear that sound from it at all. I have a few suggestions

 

- not having the projector "installed...in the duct framing that extends below the ceiling" - I'm not even sure what this means, but if it is inside a metal duct or semi-enclosed space, that noise is going to resonate like a guitar body. The fact you had this problem with your old projector sounds like it may be more an issue with your setup than the projector itself

 

- Maybe it would be good to install some kind of foam around / underneath the pj to dampen any vibrations or HF noise. The denser the foam the better. Careful not to block the airflow in the front

 

- maybe not having the projector 3 ft from your head. This is a very uncommon setup. If the noise bothers you so much you may be better off with a large HDTV? Or find a different mounting solution or room?

 

Like I said, as far I can tell this projector is extremely quiet.

post #2141 of 3236
Try putting the Lamp in Economy mode. I don't think I hear a high pitched whining, but I could hear the fan a bit go on/off when not in Economy mode.
post #2142 of 3236
No whining for me either. This 8000 is definitely louder than my 2000 it replaced. I still have both and I run the 8000 in normal lamp mode! I'm building my hush box for it now. My air intake is on the side with the exhaust on the front, so I need to allow adequate opening in those areas.

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Originally Posted by impetigo View Post

Hi guys, I just bought a AE8000U and it's pretty good all around but the high pitched whining sound it emits is driving me crazy, especially because it's only about 3 ft above my head (installed in my basement in the duct framing that extends below the ceiling). I had this issue with my old Sony AW11 but I hated it back then too. I read a couple threads that others have had this issue too so a couple questions if anyone could answer would be awesome:

1. What is the high pitched whining sound coming from? One reason I got the AE8000U is the low noise level, but the whining is louder and more distracting that the fan so it's kind of irrelevant.

2. Is the whining sound generally on all/most projectors, or certain types or quality projectors (e.g. not on high end projectors? How widespread is it for the AE8000U?

3. Am I likely to have the same issue if I get a different AE8000U? Or should I try a different projector instead?

Thanks in advance for any info/input!

Honestly, the high-pitched whining sound is there on all 7000 and 8000 Panasonics. Many of us have brought it up, sadly. Many others don't hear it or sit further away from the projector and thus don't notice it. Assuming your hearing is just super-sensitive, and this whine is the same sound brought up here and in the 7000 thread, you're a little out of luck unless you can learn to tune it out... frown.gif
post #2144 of 3236
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Originally Posted by foraye View Post

No whining for me either. This 8000 is definitely louder than my 2000 it replaced. I still have both and I run the 8000 in normal lamp mode! I'm building my hush box for it now. My air intake is on the side with the exhaust on the front, so I need to allow adequate opening in those areas.


Really? I had the exact opposite experience. Although maybe my 2000 had some dust issues making extra noise towards the end of its life...
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Honestly, the high-pitched whining sound is there on all 7000 and 8000 Panasonics. Many of us have brought it up, sadly. Many others don't hear it or sit further away from the projector and thus don't notice it. Assuming your hearing is just super-sensitive, and this whine is the same sound brought up here and in the 7000 thread, you're a little out of luck unless you can learn to tune it out... frown.gif

Thanks for the input everyone. It's good to know that it' may not be just a defective 8000 that I bought. I'll take some pics of my setup as it is hard to describe well. It's not ideal to have it so close to our heads but I also don't want to give up using a projector. An alternative is to move it in front of the lower part of the ceiling where it is now, but that would move it pretty close to the screen (well, wall for now) so that may be a deal breaker.

I've only had one other projector in the past so I'm not sure if it's an issue that most projectors (at least in this price range) "suffer" from or if it's more model specific, because I would definitely return this if I knew a different model did not have this issue.
post #2146 of 3236
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Originally Posted by impetigo View Post

Thanks for the input everyone. It's good to know that it' may not be just a defective 8000 that I bought. I'll take some pics of my setup as it is hard to describe well. It's not ideal to have it so close to our heads but I also don't want to give up using a projector. An alternative is to move it in front of the lower part of the ceiling where it is now, but that would move it pretty close to the screen (well, wall for now) so that may be a deal breaker.

I've only had one other projector in the past so I'm not sure if it's an issue that most projectors (at least in this price range) "suffer" from or if it's more model specific, because I would definitely return this if I knew a different model did not have this issue.

Yeah, it does stink for people sensitive to it. I'll tell you this. If you're more behind the projector, do you still hear the sound? For me, I noticed it easily with the projector slightly above and BEHIND me. When the projector's lens area is in front of me (even just ~8 inches in front), that sound doesn't exist to me.

e.g. When standing right in front of the lens, the sound is really obvious. But when sitting/standing under and slightly behind the projector's front vent, that sound is almost entirely gone.

If this is the case for you, if you have a way to shift the projector slightly forward, it might help or completely eliminate the issue, which in my experience with several 7000s and 8000s is when you're seated slightly behind and below the projector (if it's mounted/shelved close to you).
post #2147 of 3236
anybody else have a setting>position >aspect greyed out waiting 3d mode? I'm trying to change from 16:9 to HFIT. does that only work in 2d?how do fill the whole screen in 3d mode if possible?
post #2148 of 3236
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Originally Posted by fstopdigital View Post

Really? I had the exact opposite experience. Although maybe my 2000 had some dust issues making extra noise towards the end of its life...

yes really...My 2000 is still in great condition...no dust blobs etc and I had them on side by side.
post #2149 of 3236
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Yeah, it does stink for people sensitive to it. I'll tell you this. If you're more behind the projector, do you still hear the sound? For me, I noticed it easily with the projector slightly above and BEHIND me. When the projector's lens area is in front of me (even just ~8 inches in front), that sound doesn't exist to me.

e.g. When standing right in front of the lens, the sound is really obvious. But when sitting/standing under and slightly behind the projector's front vent, that sound is almost entirely gone.

If this is the case for you, if you have a way to shift the projector slightly forward, it might help or completely eliminate the issue, which in my experience with several 7000s and 8000s is when you're seated slightly behind and below the projector (if it's mounted/shelved close to you).

Yes I agree. the exhaust on the 8000 is through the front and it is mounted about 3' behind me.My AE2000 was right overhead before....
post #2150 of 3236
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Honestly, the high-pitched whining sound is there on all 7000 and 8000 Panasonics. Many of us have brought it up, sadly. Many others don't hear it or sit further away from the projector and thus don't notice it. Assuming your hearing is just super-sensitive, and this whine is the same sound brought up here and in the 7000 thread, you're a little out of luck unless you can learn to tune it out... frown.gif

Thanks, definitely good to know. It does seem that the whining sound is a bit louder from the front where the exhaust is, but it is not that much worse from the back, probably due to the air intake vents on the rear panel. I would try to move the 8000 forward but I realized last night that if I move it forward I won't be able to maintain my image size (about 110") as it is on max zoom already. I guess I'll try watching a few movies this weekend and see how it goes. I can hear the whining sound anywhere in the room, but sitting underneath it is slightly better so maybe it won't be too noticeable. If it is, I may return this and get a different brand/model (any suggestions for a comparable PJ with similar features like lens memory, etc.?), which would be a shame since I like it overall other than the noise.

Btw, how does one change the fan setting? I couldn't find it anywhere in the menu.
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Originally Posted by impetigo View Post

Thanks, definitely good to know. It does seem that the whining sound is a bit louder from the front where the exhaust is, but it is not that much worse from the back, probably due to the air intake vents on the rear panel. I would try to move the 8000 forward but I realized last night that if I move it forward I won't be able to maintain my image size (about 110") as it is on max zoom already. I guess I'll try watching a few movies this weekend and see how it goes. I can hear the whining sound anywhere in the room, but sitting underneath it is slightly better so maybe it won't be too noticeable. If it is, I may return this and get a different brand/model (any suggestions for a comparable PJ with similar features like lens memory, etc.?), which would be a shame since I like it overall other than the noise.

Btw, how does one change the fan setting? I couldn't find it anywhere in the menu.

I don't think you can change the fan setting, per se... When you run in Eco lamp mode, the fan RPM is lower, and when you switch to "Normal" lamp mode, the fan RPM is higher. The only way you can "force" a higher RPM is to go into the options and turn on the "High Altitude" mode. I would advise against this for 3D, because it wreaks havoc with crosstalk/ghosting. As I recall this mode also spins the fan faster than the "Normal" lamp mode fan speed, but you can let us know if that's true since I no longer have the 8000. smile.gif

I don't think the high-pitched sound is anything to do with the fan speed, if that's your goal with this experiment. I didn't spend much time dwelling on the sound due to my seating position, though I can say for a fact it would have driven me absolutely bonkers if I had sat in front of the projector...

I'll also add, that while 22db is a number with uses, it does not describe the "quality" of the sound. 22db as a low-end noise pattern is very tolerable, - excellent in fact. 22db of high-pitched nastiness would do my head in.

Decibels, much like pixels per inch (ppi), don't tell the whole story. I'm much more interested in sub pixels per inch (sppi) than I am pixels per inch.

Hell's balls. I got off topic. Ice cream time.
post #2152 of 3236
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Yes the 8000 has the best input lag for gaming than other projectors in it's price range.

Actually, the Sony VPL-HW30ES has better input lag as I recall, but the 8000 certainly isn't bad for gaming, that's for sure!
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the only problem with that is I need lumens and I'm going with a large 2.35 screen.thank you

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Problems... I've just upgraded from an Optoma HD78DC3 to an AE8000. Right away I'm noticing two things:

1. Some purple/green fringing.



Surely this isn't normal? Has anyone else seen this? Any way to correct it or do I have a dud?

2. Poor focus. I can't get it as sharp as the old Optoma. This might be down to differences between DLP and LCD. Are LCDs usually any softer than DLPs?

I'll contact the vendor tomorrow, but I would appreciate any comments from owners that have seen this kind of problem - or absence of problem.
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Originally Posted by briansyme View Post

Problems... I've just upgraded from an Optoma HD78DC3 to an AE8000. Right away I'm noticing two things:

1. Some purple/green fringing.



Surely this isn't normal? Has anyone else seen this? Any way to correct it or do I have a dud?

2. Poor focus. I can't get it as sharp as the old Optoma. This might be down to differences between DLP and LCD. Are LCDs usually any softer than DLPs?

I'll contact the vendor tomorrow, but I would appreciate any comments from owners that have seen this kind of problem - or absence of problem.

Where did you buy it from?
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Originally Posted by briansyme View Post

Problems... I've just upgraded from an Optoma HD78DC3 to an AE8000. Right away I'm noticing two things:

1. Some purple/green fringing.



Surely this isn't normal? Has anyone else seen this? Any way to correct it or do I have a dud?

2. Poor focus. I can't get it as sharp as the old Optoma. This might be down to differences between DLP and LCD. Are LCDs usually any softer than DLPs?

I'll contact the vendor tomorrow, but I would appreciate any comments from owners that have seen this kind of problem - or absence of problem.

This isn't a problem per se, in that it is what one should expect. LCD use 3 lcd panels so misalignment (which is impossible to avoid) means dlp will provide for a sharper image. With that being said I actually prefer the look of an lcd for films when in motion and find dlp to look to harsh. Now you problems may be excessive I find it hard to tell from pictures but it does sound like you are just noticing some of the downsides to lcd.

It does sound like your alignment is kind of poor (it surely does look it) but once again photos are hard to go by. If you think there is an issue don't use your projector anymore and contact your vendor and try and get a replacement (I say this as it will be no doubt harder to get a unit with plenty of use replaced as apposed to one with little to no use).
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Well somehow I missed this problem in all the research I did - I guess I was assuming the alignment would have an end result that was pretty competitive with DLP, but if you look at a higher resolution version of that picture you'll see that there's almost a full pixel of misalignment. I can see how that might be ok at a much higher resolution than 1080 where it would be invisible at normal viewing distances, but this is pretty grim for me - especially as I'll be using it to display UI text from a couple of machines a lot of the time.

I'll talk to the vendor Monday and see what I can do, but it sounds like I'll be swapping it out for a DLP. Any suggestions for a DLP that can handle a 130 wide screen in a light controlled room with a 16 foot throw distance?
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Originally Posted by briansyme View Post

Well somehow I missed this problem in all the research I did - I guess I was assuming the alignment would have an end result that was pretty competitive with DLP, but if you look at a higher resolution version of that picture you'll see that there's almost a full pixel of misalignment. I can see how that might be ok at a much higher resolution than 1080 where it would be invisible at normal viewing distances, but this is pretty grim for me - especially as I'll be using it to display UI text from a couple of machines a lot of the time.

I'll talk to the vendor Monday and see what I can do, but it sounds like I'll be swapping it out for a DLP. Any suggestions for a DLP that can handle a 130 wide screen in a light controlled room with a 16 foot throw distance?


My unit has roughly the same amount of misalignment as your photo's show, but to my eyes when viewing most material at a normal distance it isn't an issue.

My older LCD had more pronounced misalingment.
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Originally Posted by briansyme View Post

Problems... I've just upgraded from an Optoma HD78DC3 to an AE8000. Right away I'm noticing two things:

1. Some purple/green fringing.



Surely this isn't normal? Has anyone else seen this? Any way to correct it or do I have a dud?

2. Poor focus. I can't get it as sharp as the old Optoma. This might be down to differences between DLP and LCD. Are LCDs usually any softer than DLPs?

I'll contact the vendor tomorrow, but I would appreciate any comments from owners that have seen this kind of problem - or absence of problem.

As others have said, that doesn't look potentially bad at all. You're super up close to it, of course. At normal viewing distance you probably won't see it. (Hell, I had no idea what you were even talking about until I stuck my face closer to my screen).

This is meant to be a cinema projector. If you're looking at a projector text-based work, I would not recommend the Panasonics at all, as there are sharper projectors out there (the Epsons/JVC for example).

Still, it should be satisfactorily sharp. Have you tried actually using your projector rather than pixel-peeping? tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by briansyme View Post

Well somehow I missed this problem in all the research I did - I guess I was assuming the alignment would have an end result that was pretty competitive with DLP, but if you look at a higher resolution version of that picture you'll see that there's almost a full pixel of misalignment. I can see how that might be ok at a much higher resolution than 1080 where it would be invisible at normal viewing distances, but this is pretty grim for me - especially as I'll be using it to display UI text from a couple of machines a lot of the time.

I'll talk to the vendor Monday and see what I can do, but it sounds like I'll be swapping it out for a DLP. Any suggestions for a DLP that can handle a 130 wide screen in a light controlled room with a 16 foot throw distance?

Firstly within how many screen heights are you sitting of the screen?

For films in motion it is competitive and from normal viewing distances it is invisible. Your other option is to go with a projector like the JVC that has the ability to align the pixels. However if your primary reason for getting a projector is not for watching films/playing games and viewing the desktop frequently a dlp is probably the way to go the issue there is there bulbs tend to have a much shorter life.

Just remember it doesn't matter which tech you go with there will always be downsides. As a gerneral rule lcd cons are: misalignment, uneven picture with color changes (impossible to see in near on all footage though balck and white films can be problematic on worse units), 3d crosstalk, image is less sharp then dlp. Pros for lcd are better black levels and they generally provide a more natural image. DLP cons are whilst sharper many perceive the image as being harsh and black levels are less then stellar. Pros of dlp are no misalignment issues (assuming one chip dlp), no crosstalk in 3d and a sharper image albeit one that many finds to look harsh and thus prefer the look of an lcd.

Now motion should go to dlp but assuming we are talking about sub $5000 projectors every dlp I have seen has had worse motion then the ae8000.


[edit: another big con for dlp is of course rainbow effect, I just forgot to mention it as I cannot see it myself].
Edited by FilmReverie - 10/13/13 at 5:23pm
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