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post #2311 of 3199
That looks aces. I'm pretty darn sure I have the same wall-mount you have. Cost about $25 on Amazon, and swivels left and right, yes? biggrin.gif It's a pretty good shelf, though I have to admit I wish it didn't swivel... I've yet to find a better, more subtle wall mount, though...
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Quick question, I just bought an 8000 assuming it would play in 2.35:1 with no black bars, anyone able to tell me if I read everything completely wrong and that it only plays in 16:9 with the option to mask? In light scenes it's not obvious but in dark scene the black bars are very visible and sadly not all the movies I watch are bright and colorful so it kind of becomes an annoyance

post #2313 of 3199
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Originally Posted by tnka13 View Post

Quick question, I just bought an 8000 assuming it would play in 2.35:1 with no black bars, anyone able to tell me if I read everything completely wrong and that it only plays in 16:9 with the option to mask? In light scenes it's not obvious but in dark scene the black bars are very visible and sadly not all the movies I watch are bright and colorful so it kind of becomes an annoyance

You have read incorrectly, it only gives you the option to zoom. I would surround your screen with black anyway, though I understand this may not be possible.
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After reading this entire thread, and weighing all the pros and cons, I may (in the near future) decide to retire my 2 year old PT-AE7000u and replace it with the 8000.

I've owned 3 Panny projector models since 2006 (900, 2000, and 7000) and the only trouble that I've ever had was with the 900 (dust blobs) that I was always able to remedy myself.

Projector People (which is where I bought my 7000) seems to have the best deal right now ($200 rebate, 2 pairs of glasses, 3 yr. warranty), but I suspect that an even better deal will materialize as Black Friday approaches. But, if not, I'm sure that sooner or later the price will come down to a point that will push me over the edge.
post #2315 of 3199
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Originally Posted by rgrele View Post

After reading this entire thread, and weighing all the pros and cons, I may (in the near future) decide to retire my 2 year old PT-AE7000u and replace it with the 8000.

I've owned 3 Panny projector models since 2006 (900, 2000, and 7000) and the only trouble that I've ever had was with the 900 (dust blobs) that I was always able to remedy myself.

Projector People (which is where I bought my 7000) seems to have the best deal right now ($200 rebate, 2 pairs of glasses, 3 yr. warranty), but I suspect that an even better deal will materialize as Black Friday approaches. But, if not, I'm sure that sooner or later the price will come down to a point that will push me over the edge.

The overwhelming consensus is the 8000 is a very small upgrade over the 7000 (it even uses the same panels if I am not mistaken), you would be better waiting, buying a new bulb if need be or looking at a projector a step up.
post #2316 of 3199
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

The overwhelming consensus is the 8000 is a very small upgrade over the 7000 (it even uses the same panels if I am not mistaken), you would be better waiting, buying a new bulb if need be or looking at a projector a step up.

Overwhelmingly agree, and that's from someone who owned a 7000 and an 8000.
post #2317 of 3199
JVC RS46 or Panasonic AE8000?

I'm looking for a projector that has lens memory for my 136" 2.35 screen in a pitch black room. I'm coming from a Panasonic AE7000 which I had a few issues (blob, flicker, real bad 3D). I'm debating the RS46 vs AE8000. I've fully read the RS46 thread and reading this one from the beginning seems a bit daunting.

With the JVC, I'm a bit concerned with the smearing issue (most noticeable on text), the ringing sound some notice and also the dimness that a lot seem to complain about. If I get another Panasonic, I'm worried about flicker, dust blobs etc...

Anyone here switch from a AE7000 or RS46? Anyone have experience with both the AE8000 and RS46?

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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

JVC RS46 or Panasonic AE8000?

I'm looking for a projector that has lens memory for my 136" 2.35 screen in a pitch black room. I'm coming from a Panasonic AE7000 which I had a few issues (blob, flicker, real bad 3D). I'm debating the RS46 vs AE8000. I've fully read the RS46 thread and reading this one from the beginning seems a bit daunting.

With the JVC, I'm a bit concerned with the smearing issue (most noticeable on text), the ringing sound some notice and also the dimness that a lot seem to complain about. If I get another Panasonic, I'm worried about flicker, dust blobs etc...

Anyone here switch from a AE7000 or RS46? Anyone have experience with both the AE8000 and RS46?

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Most basic question you need to answer is you budget, what content you plan on viewing (2d films, 3d films, games, sports), and the environment you plan on using it in. As above though the ae8000 doesn't seem to be a worthwhile upgrade from the ae7000.
Edited by FilmReverie - 10/27/13 at 8:00pm
post #2319 of 3199
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

Most basic question you need to answer is you budget, what content you plan on viewing (2d films, 3d films, games, sports), and the environment you plan on using it in. As above though the ae8000 doesn't seem to be a worthwhile upgrade from the ae7000.
I'm okay with under 3K, but with current deals, the AE8000 (with a rebate and 2 pairs of 3D glasses) is ~$700 cheaper than the RS46 with (3D emitter and glasses).

Budget:
$3000 (with 3D)

Environment:
Pitch Black Theater
136" 2.35 screen
13' viewing distance
16' projector distance

I'd say my usage breakdown is:
50% 2D
30% HDTV
10% 3D
10% Casual game

I'm a bit concerned that the same issues I had with my AE7000 will return in an AE8000...but I'm also concerned of picking up a whole new set of problems with a JVC.

It's pretty sad when I have to make my decision based on which is the least bad. I honestly want a projector I can have until true 4K becomes reasonably priced, something that can take 10,000 hours with a few lamps over the next 5-7 years. I don't think, unfortunately, I'll ever see that. So I want to make the best use of a $3000 budget that I can.
post #2320 of 3199
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

I'm okay with under 3K, but with current deals, the AE8000 (with a rebate and 2 pairs of 3D glasses) is ~$700 cheaper than the RS46 with (3D emitter and glasses).

Budget:
$3000 (with 3D)

Environment:
Pitch Black Theater
136" 2.35 screen
13' viewing distance
16' projector distance

I'd say my usage breakdown is:
50% 2D
30% HDTV
10% 3D
10% Casual game

I'm a bit concerned that the same issues I had with my AE7000 will return in an AE8000...but I'm also concerned of picking up a whole new set of problems with a JVC.

It's pretty sad when I have to make my decision based on which is the least bad. I honestly want a projector I can have until true 4K becomes reasonably priced, something that can take 10,000 hours with a few lamps over the next 5-7 years. I don't think, unfortunately, I'll ever see that. So I want to make the best use of a $3000 budget that I can.

From what you have said the jvc I would go with. Personally the JVC projectors are the only projectors that have seriously tempted me away from dlp (to the point I almost bought one). The downside of the jvc is that it won't be as good for gaming, but giving that you are only playing casually and only a small amount at that, then I think this is a very minor issue. You will of course have to make sure the projector suits your throw distance etc.
post #2321 of 3199
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

From what you have said the jvc I would go with. Personally the JVC projectors are the only projectors that have seriously tempted me away from dlp (to the point I almost bought one). The downside of the jvc is that it won't be as good for gaming, but giving that you are only playing casually and only a small amount at that, then I think this is a very minor issue. You will of course have to make sure the projector suits your throw distance etc.
The RS46 will work for my projector location, but I'm wondering if I can use the horizontal lens shift a bit without affecting PQ. The lens will be 5" or so off center of my screen (136" 2.35 @ 16'). I'd rather not shift everything in my room 5" to the right...rolleyes.gif

I think I've tentatively decided on the RS46.
post #2322 of 3199
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

The RS46 will work for my projector location, but I'm wondering if I can use the horizontal lens shift a bit without affecting PQ. The lens will be 5" or so off center of my screen (136" 2.35 @ 16'). I'd rather not shift everything in my room 5" to the right...rolleyes.gif

I think I've tentatively decided on the RS46.

I don't have enough experience with the jvc in setting it up to comment (meaning I have never set one up, I have only used those that have already been set up for me) beyond that I would be shocked if five inches caused any issues. Hopefully someone can give you a definitive answer.
post #2323 of 3199
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Originally Posted by rgrele View Post

Projector People (which is where I bought my 7000) seems to have the best deal right now ($200 rebate, 2 pairs of glasses, 3 yr. warranty), but I suspect that an even better deal will materialize as Black Friday approaches. But, if not, I'm sure that sooner or later the price will come down to a point that will push me over the edge.

Just FYI, that rebate deal ends this week, on 10/31 I think. Of course, the price may drop further or the rebate brought back, but you never know.
post #2324 of 3199
Anyone who got a spare bulb, where did you get it from??
Will be needing one next year sometime so it's no rush, but I've seen some on ebay from China, not sure if that's where they all come from or what but seems fairly inexpensive, but then again, was worried you get what you pay for? So sound off where you got one and how has it been?
Thanks
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post #2325 of 3199
Get a legit bulb, no after market garbage!!!!! I just got a new one for my ae7000 and got a real one from eastporters.com but they are Canadian.
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Random: Just watched Star Trek Into Darkness on my 8000. Awesome 3D. Perfect in nearly every scene. Very immersive. Highly recommended on this projector!!

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Got my check still no glasses
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Hi all,

I recently purchased a PT-6000 (European model of the AE-8000). It was an upgrade from a Epson EH TW2900 (also European model).

Sadly, I was unpleasently surprised to see I had some of the issues a lot of people in this thread have also had. I could not get it to focus precisely, I had a blue line above text (the allignment issue) and the unit would not receive 1080P signals from my 15 meter long HDMI cable, which was working fine with my Epson projector.



I am really picky about sharpness and picture quality. And both of these were better on my 3 year old Epson projector which costs less than half of the price of the Panasonic. Hopefully this is because of the allignment issue.The problem with the 1080P could be a handshaking issue with my Onkyo receiver. With a shorter cable, connected directly to my Xtreamer Prodigy media player it works fine. Or the signal could be too weak for the Panasonic. I RMA'd the unit today and I am very curious if they can fix these issues. If they can't, I will have to replace it with something else.
post #2329 of 3199
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Originally Posted by dj41 View Post

Hi all,

I recently purchased a PT-6000 (European model of the AE-8000). It was an upgrade from a Epson EH TW2900 (also European model).

Sadly, I was unpleasently surprised to see I had some of the issues a lot of people in this thread have also had. I could not get it to focus precisely, I had a blue line above text (the allignment issue) and the unit would not receive 1080P signals from my 15 meter long HDMI cable, which was working fine with my Epson projector.



I am really picky about sharpness and picture quality. And both of these were better on my 3 year old Epson projector which costs less than half of the price of the Panasonic. Hopefully this is because of the allignment issue.The problem with the 1080P could be a handshaking issue with my Onkyo receiver. With a shorter cable, connected directly to my Xtreamer Prodigy media player it works fine. Or the signal could be too weak for the Panasonic. I RMA'd the unit today and I am very curious if they can fix these issues. If they can't, I will have to replace it with something else.
Is your Epson an LCD or DLP? DLP is typically sharper than 3 chip LCD. That level of focus and alignment is similar to the AE7000 I had. PQ still looked good though. I also had no issues using a 25ft HDMI with mine (tried from a Denon and PS3). I opted for a JVC RS46 due to my AE7000 issues. RMA won't fix anything.
Edited by Dreamliner - 10/29/13 at 8:46am
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It's a LCD as well.
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I had a few issues with my AE7000, the replacement AE7000 too. I was planning upgrading to the AE8000 but it seems like Panasonic chose not to correct the issues of the AE7000 and in some cases, the AE8000 has worse Quality Control (uniformity). I genuinely wanted to get the AE8000 as I enjoyed the AE7000, I just couldn't do it with the knowledge of the QC issues and what could possible develop. I chose to spend a bit more and purchase the JVC RS46. I didn't want to spend the extra coin but I knew that if I had the same issues with the AE8000 as I did the AE7000 I'd be so pissed I bought another Panasonic.

I had a real difficult time with the decision. I read every post in the RS46 thread and a majority of the ones in this one. I read countless reviews to compare the Panasonic AE7000, AE8000 and the JVC RS46/X35. I noticed something interesting on Projector Reviews:

Lumen output in Eco Mode:
AE7000 (Cinema 1): 386 Lumens
AE8000 (Cinema 1): 402 Lumens
RS46/X35 (Cinema): 496 Lumens

Lumen output in "Best" Mode (as calibrated by ProjectorReviews):
AE7000 (Based on REC 709): 442 Lumens
AE8000 (Based on REC 709): 602 Lumens
RS46/X35 (Custom on User 1): 703 Lumens

I understand the AE8000 in dynamic on Normal/high lamp mode can 'outshine' the RS46, but dynamic looks terrible. Personally, I left my AE7000 on Eco and in Cinema 1, I thought it was bright enough for 2D and looked good to me. On my AE7000 the only way I could get 3D to be visible is to have it on Normal or Dynamic, Normal lamp mode and glasses in 'light mode' but the crosstalk was unbearable. Some who've had both the AE7000 & AE8000 say the crosstalk is the same (bad), others say its perfect. Who's to say whats right? I know one thing for sure: I enjoy 3D in the theater, I hated it at home.

My RS46 should be here later this week, hopefully I'll be impressed.
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

know one thing for sure: I enjoy 3D in the theater, I hated it at home.

My RS46 should be here later this week, hopefully I'll be impressed.

Cinemas use dlp projectors, if you want amazing 3d you need to get a dlp. All other techs fall far behind.
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Some who've had both the AE7000 & AE8000 say the crosstalk is the same (bad), others say its perfect. Who's to say whats right? I know one thing for sure: I enjoy 3D in the theater, I hated it at home.




Just curious on what 3D movies you have viewed on this unit, most animated 3D blu rays I have watched on this unit have been near faultless regarding crosstalk.
I have only noticed it occasionally more on non animated movies (Hugo being an example) but I still prefer the quality to in a theatre.
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Originally Posted by j.woodhouse View Post

Just curious on what 3D movies you have viewed on this unit, most animated 3D blu rays I have watched on this unit have been near faultless regarding crosstalk.
I have only noticed it occasionally more on non animated movies (Hugo being an example) but I still prefer the quality to in a theatre.
Prometheus, Titanic, Hugo, Wreck it Ralph, Spiderman, Avengers, Iron Man 3...all terrible...on the AE7000, never had the AE8000, chose the RS46 instead.
post #2335 of 3199
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Prometheus, Titanic, Hugo, Wreck it Ralph, Spiderman, Avengers, Iron Man 3...all terrible...on the AE7000, never had the AE8000, chose the RS46 instead.

To dark or to much crosstalk? To dark I can see, the crosstalk wasn't all that notable in those films with the ae8000. Darkness is something the jvc will also struggle with.
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The JVC 3D glasses are very expensive but you also have to buy a 3D emitter ($100) which allows the use of other 3D glasses if my understanding is correct.

From everything I gathered, it was my opinion that the 8000 would be better at 3D than the JVC. But I despise 3D so this didn't affect me.
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

To dark or to much crosstalk? To dark I can see, the crosstalk wasn't all that notable in those films with the ae8000. Darkness is something the jvc will also struggle with.
Too much crosstalk. It's why I said earlier, some people think it looks great, others not. My original AE7000's 3D looked terrible, 'repaired' it looked terrible and replaced it looked terrible. It was also pretty dark, I couldn't see what was going on in the opening Avengers scene.

The AE8000 is brighter than the AE7000, but I have yet to hear someone who both acknowledges the AE7000 3D issues and praises the AE8000 3D quality. This could be because I don't find crosstalk acceptable, nor headaches. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

The JVC 3D glasses are very expensive but you also have to buy a 3D emitter ($100) which allows the use of other 3D glasses if my understanding is correct.

From everything I gathered, it was my opinion that the 8000 would be better at 3D than the JVC. But I despise 3D so this didn't affect me.
The $100 RF emitter is required, regardless. But JVC is part of the technology standard, so there are several brands that work with each others models...including the $19 Samsung glasses. wink.gif

3D in the theater looks nice. If I could get RealD quality 3D at home with passive glasses...I'd love it!



If anyone is interested in a pair of flawless condition Panasonic TY-EW3D3LU's for good price, PM me.
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Too much crosstalk. It's why I said earlier, some people think it looks great, others not. My original AE7000's 3D looked terrible, 'repaired' it looked terrible and replaced it looked terrible. It was also pretty dark, I couldn't see what was going on in the opening Avengers scene.

The AE8000 is brighter than the AE7000, but I have yet to hear someone who both acknowledges the AE7000 3D issues and praises the AE8000 3D quality. This could be because I don't find crosstalk acceptable, nor headaches. rolleyes.gif
The $100 RF emitter is required, regardless. But JVC is part of the technology standard, so there are several brands that work with each others models...including the $19 Samsung glasses. wink.gif

3D in the theater looks nice. If I could get RealD quality 3D at home with passive glasses...I'd love it!



If anyone is interested in a pair of flawless condition Panasonic TY-EW3D3LU's for good price, PM me.

I actually asked mainly as I have found most ae8000's to not be very good at 3d, but the one I have access to currently has very little crosstalk. I asked for ideas of what the cause could be but there doesn't seem to be any known reason beyond it seems that some units for whatever reason are very good in this regard, however most are not. Your JVC will also have crosstalk, from what I understand it is generally much better then the ae8000 in that regard, though the jvc has more issues with brightness in 3d. It has been a while though since I saw that particular jvc model in 3d so I sadly cannot be more detailed.
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Originally Posted by FilmReverie View Post

I actually asked mainly as I have found most ae8000's to not be very good at 3d, but the one I have access to currently has very little crosstalk. I asked for ideas of what the cause could be but there doesn't seem to be any known reason beyond it seems that some units for whatever reason are very good in this regard, however most are not. Your JVC will also have crosstalk, from what I understand it is generally much better then the ae8000 in that regard, though the jvc has more issues with brightness in 3d. It has been a while though since I saw that particular jvc model in 3d so I sadly cannot be more detailed.
It will be interesting to see how the RS46 will perform in 3D, I'll have to give an assessment once I have it setup.

I wonder, are you AE8000 owners able to watch 3D without switching to full lamp power and dynamic mode? When I had my AE7000 I used full lamp power and Normal or Dynamic mode for 3D...the PQ was terrible, but I could see (the crosstalk)! rolleyes.gif I wonder what the lumen output actually is for some of the modes that you guys are actually using for 3D.

According to Projector Reviews, the AE8000 lumen output for the various modes in Normal/Full Power Lamp Mode are as follows:

Cinema 1= 643
Cinema 2= 1175
Game= 1245
Normal= 1285
Dynamic= 1898, 1255 lumens with AI off
Rec. 709= 622
D-Cinema= 643


...the RS46 won't even pop 1000 frown.gif, yet calibrated in 2D it's brighter than the AE8000 2D calibration. What is Panasonic doing to triple the lumen output in Dynamic. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

It will be interesting to see how the RS46 will perform in 3D, I'll have to give an assessment once I have it setup.

I wonder, are you AE8000 owners able to watch 3D without switching to full lamp power and dynamic mode? When I had my AE7000 I used full lamp power and Normal or Dynamic mode for 3D...the PQ was terrible, but I could see! rolleyes.gif I wonder what the lumen output actually is for some of the modes that you guys are actually using for 3D.

According to Projector Reviews, the AE8000 lumen output for the various modes in Normal/Full Power Lamp Mode are as follows:

Cinema 1= 643
Cinema 2= 1175
Game= 1245
Normal= 1285
Dynamic= 1898, 1255 lumens with AI off
Rec. 709= 622
D-Cinema= 643


...the RS46 won't even pop 1000 frown.gif, yet calibrated in 2D it's brighter than the AE8000 2D calibration. What is Panasonic doing to triple the lumen output in Dynamic. eek.gif

It is removing one of the filters that allows for better color accuracy. Normal mode also does this on the Panasonic. With both the panny and jvc the general thing I have seen said is anything over 100" will result in an image to dim for 3d. Which probably means it will be like at a cinema. I did try a 110" scope screen with the ae8000 and it seemed bright enough in eco mode and cinema 1, but not as bright as I would like and am accustomed to with my BenQ.
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