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post #2671 of 3228
Just a rumor that fed off of them exiting the plasma business.

Panasonic Exiting Plasma Market

At this time there is no news from panasonic about it exiting the projector business. Your warranty will be fine.
post #2672 of 3228
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Whats the deal with it? It wont play certain files?

For whatever reason, it refuses to sync to with some resolution and hz. I think the problem is the Panasonic takes too long to sync with windows and Windows assumes the HDMI is no longer active. It blanks the screen, then the Panasonic wakes it, rinse and repeat. Without knowing what signal the Panasonic is receiving, another thing my Epson does well, I have no idea if Windows is trying to send some weird 75 hz signal. The Epson displays everything windows throws at it. Panasonic does fine with DirecTV, PS3 and some PC resolutions, but it does not play nice with my set up. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by ragedogg69 View Post

For whatever reason, it refuses to sync to with some resolution and hz. I think the problem is the Panasonic takes too long to sync with windows and Windows assumes the HDMI is no longer active. It blanks the screen, then the Panasonic wakes it, rinse and repeat. Without knowing what signal the Panasonic is receiving, another thing my Epson does well, I have no idea if Windows is trying to send some weird 75 hz signal. The Epson displays everything windows throws at it. Panasonic does fine with DirecTV, PS3 and some PC resolutions, but it does not play nice with my set up. YMMV.

O, you are running a pc off of it? I will only be using a bluray player and HDD with movie files, ps4, xbox one.
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O, you are running a pc off of it? I will only be using a bluray player and HDD with movie files, ps4, xbox one.

Correct. It is my HTPC that is giving me fits on it. I want to make it clear to those in the market, the 8000 is an amazing projector and I was impressed with it. That being said, it has a quirk that just does not work for my situation. Meanwhile, my Epson does. So I am going for the old adage of "if it aint broke, dont fix it." When my bulb goes, then I will worry about upgrading.
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Can someone explain the lens memory? Does the user set it to each format (16x9 or 2.35 etc) and the pj detects it and displays it correctly?

reason Im asking is because I watched a youtube video of a guy that had a panny 8000 and thought he described that it would change the screen size during the move going from different scenes?
Edited by nezff - 12/8/13 at 5:04pm
post #2676 of 3228
I though panny's HT division was not making projectors any more, just business stuff, though I could be wrong..... No problems with warranty, they have support for everything.
My friend who works for panny said nothing new in 2014, they will evaluate if they will stay in the HT market. Considering it's a pretty small division, I bet they will pack it in.
post #2677 of 3228
So I think I figured out my issue. My AVR is delaying the signal change a bit to the Panasonic. So that is why the Panasonic cannot sync fast enough. Epson has no problem with this. Nice to know it is not the Panasonic's fault.
post #2678 of 3228
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Originally Posted by ragedogg69 View Post

So I think I figured out my issue. My AVR is delaying the signal change a bit to the Panasonic. So that is why the Panasonic cannot sync fast enough. Epson has no problem with this. Nice to know it is not the Panasonic's fault.

Glad to hear you have the issue identified and thanks for clarifying the record on the Panny.

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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Can someone explain the lens memory? Does the user set it to each format (16x9 or 2.35 etc) and the pj detects it and displays it correctly?

reason Im asking is because I watched a youtube video of a guy that had a panny 8000 and thought he described that it would change the screen size during the move going from different scenes?
Yes it does change when it detects the different aspects. If the PJ is currently set for 16x9 as soon as it detects the 2.40:1 it zooms out. If you have a movie like Dark Night Rising I think it will try to change aspects along with the movie but I do not have that movie. I have heard that sometimes it takes a second to detect and then by the time the PJ changes the movie switches back to the other aspect. You can see this if you are watching the previews on most movies though as some of the previews are 2.40:1 and some are 16x9.
post #2680 of 3228
I watched Avatar in 3D this weekend and the color and 3D was amazing. These pictures are with my cell phone through my left lens on 3rd generation glasses. PJ set to normal with fan in normal.


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Has anyone purchase panny 8000 from B&H photovideo during this last week? Do you get an email that the projector is on back order?
I purchased it during Black Friday weekend with $200 sale from BH in addition to the 550 rebate from panasonic, which was a really good deal. But after a week they said it's back ordered for another ten "business" days. Shipping would be upto 8 business days. The total days would be close to or will pass the 30 days limit for the rebate timeline. This sounds to me that B&H tries to screw me over. What do you guys think? This doesn't sound like a good business practice? Yet they still post on their website selling the panny at higher price.
post #2682 of 3228
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Originally Posted by ragedogg69 View Post

So I think I figured out my issue. My AVR is delaying the signal change a bit to the Panasonic. So that is why the Panasonic cannot sync fast enough. Epson has no problem with this. Nice to know it is not the Panasonic's fault.

 

Sounds like you are saying that removing the AVR from the chain fixes the problem...

 

Are you sure the problem isn't that the HTPC is detecting the newer projector and sending a higher resolution that is too high for your AVR (like 1920x1200p60)?  I just set up my new AE8000 and had a similar problem with my PS3 feeding through my Onkyo NR-807.  Some things worked and some didn't.  

 

The fixes were to either turn off 1080p on the PS3 (and leave it at 1080i), plug the projector directly into the PS3, or turn off the Onkyo AVR's video processor.  Fortunately Onkyo thought ahead to allow that. Now everything but 3D can go through the AVR with the video processor off.  The 3D I'll have to deal with using a switcher (and swap cables) until I upgrade the AVR. 

 

It could be the usual problem of upgrading one item in the theater causes an upgrade cascade!

 

Good luck!. 

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Originally Posted by 4kDrew View Post



Are you sure the problem isn't that the HTPC is detecting the newer projector and sending a higher resolution that is too high for your AVR (like 1920x1200p60)?  I just set up my new AE8000 and had a similar problem with my PS3 feeding through my Onkyo NR-807.  Some things worked and some didn't.  

The fixes were to either turn off 1080p on the PS3 (and leave it at 1080i), plug the projector directly into the PS3, or turn off the Onkyo AVR's video processor.  Fortunately Onkyo thought ahead to allow that. Now everything but 3D can go through the AVR with the video processor off.  The 3D I'll have to deal with using a switcher (and swap cables) until I upgrade the AVR. 
Correct. Plug the HTPC right into the 8000 and it is gold. To my knowledge, My VSX-1023-k does no video processing, only delays a signal change a bit which is the downfall of the 8000. Also, according to XBMC, the video it was sending is a 720p/30 that would hang the sync of the projector. Because Panasonic has no input info, (displays the timing and resolution) I have no idea what the projector was ultimately ending up with. For all I know, the ATI graphics was trying to send a 75 hz signal.

I thought about buying an HDMI splitter, but at this point, there were too many other things that annoyed me about the projector, and I was up against the 3 Hour lamp life limit to try it. Luckily, it will become my father's christmas present.
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Originally Posted by tshot07 View Post

Has anyone purchase panny 8000 from B&H photovideo during this last week? Do you get an email that the projector is on back order?
I purchased it during Black Friday weekend with $200 sale from BH in addition to the 550 rebate from panasonic, which was a really good deal. But after a week they said it's back ordered for another ten "business" days. Shipping would be upto 8 business days. The total days would be close to or will pass the 30 days limit for the rebate timeline. This sounds to me that B&H tries to screw me over. What do you guys think? This doesn't sound like a good business practice? Yet they still post on their website selling the panny at higher price.

BH is a reputable company. I wouldn't think that they would fill new orders before prior orders. While they are taking orders online they also list the item as not in stock with estimate of 3-7 days which they should really update if they told you 10 days is the new estimate.

I also ordered that weekend, but have not received any email (yet) indicating further delay.
post #2685 of 3228
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Originally Posted by tshot07 View Post

Has anyone purchase panny 8000 from B&H photovideo during this last week? ... I purchased it during Black Friday weekend with $200 sale from BH in addition to the 550 rebate from panasonic, which was a really good deal. But after a week they said it's back ordered for another ten "business" days. Shipping would be upto 8 business days. The total days would be close to or will pass the 30 days limit for the rebate timeline. ...

Wouldn't the 30 day rebate limit start when you got the projector? Or at least when it shipped? What does the fine print say?

I've bought from B&H before and also think they are a good company (though maybe their buyer needs more training smile.gif).
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Originally Posted by tshot07 View Post

Has anyone purchase panny 8000 from B&H photovideo during this last week? Do you get an email that the projector is on back order?
I purchased it during Black Friday weekend with $200 sale from BH in addition to the 550 rebate from panasonic, which was a really good deal. But after a week they said it's back ordered for another ten "business" days. Shipping would be upto 8 business days. The total days would be close to or will pass the 30 days limit for the rebate timeline. This sounds to me that B&H tries to screw me over. What do you guys think? This doesn't sound like a good business practice? Yet they still post on their website selling the panny at higher price.

Yes. I ordered mine at 12:01 on black friday, and it arrived last Friday since I live out on the west coast.

B&H is a great company. I suspect they sold a lot of 8000's on Black Friday, and hence depleted their stock fast. Panasonic ships the projectors to B&H direct from China ... so I'm sure more are on the way.

That said, I'm afraid mine is gone back.

I had a good unit. It had great focus. Color uniformity was excellent and convergence excellent too. I did start to notice the fan noise compared to my older AE 4000. Its not so much louder, just a slightly annoying noise.

Nevertheless ... I thought everything was fine ... until I started using the projector with my Tivo Roamio and Apple TV. As other have reported, the 7000 and 8000 can suffer from a frame dropping/stuttering/Slow mo issue with certain 1080i/1080p/720p @ 60fps content. Personally i think its content that's shot in 24p, but still being broadcast at 1080i/60.

I spoke to Panasonic about this, and they claim its all "normal" .. and some people can see it more than others.

I personally don't buy this. My older PT-AE4000 doesnt suffer from the behavior, nor does my LCD TV. This isn't a cable issue, a source issue. This is the firmware in the projector that handles the image processing. Apparently if you switch the projector to game mode .... you can virtually eliminate the problem ... but for me, its a showstopper and I've gone back to the older PT-AE4000 and treated it to a new bulb !!

I think this is a firmware problem that could be addressed in a software update ..... and Panasonic could have eliminated this problem entirely if they offered a projector that its firmware could be updated by the end user .. but they didn't and the only way to update the firmware is to send it back to Panasonic ... and no one in their right mind would do that on a projector thats less than 1 day old, especially after what Panasonic did too WilliamG's unit during "service".
Edited by apw2607 - 12/10/13 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Yes. I ordered mine at 12:01 on black friday, and it arrived last Friday since I live out on the west coast.

B&H is a great company. I suspect they sold a lot of 8000's on Black Friday, and hence depleted their stock fast. Panasonic ships the projectors to B&H direct from China ... so I'm sure more are on the way.

That said, I'm afraid mine is gone back.

I had a good unit. It had great focus. Color uniformity was excellent and convergence excellent too. I did start to notice the fan noise compared to my older AE 4000. Its not so much louder, just a slightly annoying noise.

Nevertheless ... I thought everything was fine ... until I started using the projector with my Tivo Roamio and Apple TV. As other have reported, the 7000 and 8000 can suffer from a frame dropping/stuttering/Slow mo issue with certain 1080i/1080p/720p @ 60fps content. Personally i think its content that's shot in 24p, but still being broadcast at 1080i/60.

I spoke to Panasonic about this, and they claim its all "normal" .. and some people can see it more than others.

I personally don't buy this. My older PT-AE4000 doesnt suffer from the behavior, nor does my LCD TV. This isn't a cable issue, a source issue. This is the firmware in the projector that handles the image processing. Apparently if you switch the projector to game mode .... you can virtually eliminate the problem ... but for me, its a showstopper and I've gone back to the older PT-AE4000 and treated it to a new bulb !!

I think this is a firmware problem that could be addressed in a software update ..... and Panasonic could have eliminated this problem entirely if they offered a projector that its firmware could be updated by the end user .. but they didn't and the only way to update the firmware is to send it back to Panasonic ... and no one in their right mind would do that on a projector thats less than 1 day old, especially after what Panasonic did too WilliamG's unit during "service".

Are you saying the 8000 doesn't handle some bluray discs well?

Also I would like to know how you check color uniformity and convergence.
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

... I thought everything was fine ... until I started using the projector with my Tivo Roamio and Apple TV. As other have reported, the 7000 and 8000 can suffer from a frame dropping/stuttering/Slow mo issue with certain 1080i/1080p/720p @ 60fps content. Personally i think its content that's shot in 24p, but still being broadcast at 1080i/60.
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I think this is a firmware problem that could be addressed in a software update ..... and Panasonic could have eliminated this problem entirely if they offered a projector that its firmware could be updated by the end user .. but they didn't and the only way to update the firmware is to send it back to Panasonic ... and no one in their right mind would do that on a projector thats less than 1 day old, especially after what Panasonic did too WilliamG's unit during "service".

Could it have anything to do with the 8000's frame interpolation feature? Maybe FI interacts with upconverted 24p material. Game mode would turn that off. I'm not making any excuses for Panasonic. I'm just trying to understand what might be causing the issue.

And please tell what happened to WilliamG's unit.
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Originally Posted by tshot07 View Post

Has anyone purchase panny 8000 from B&H photovideo during this last week? Do you get an email that the projector is on back order?
I purchased it during Black Friday weekend with $200 sale from BH in addition to the 550 rebate from panasonic, which was a really good deal. But after a week they said it's back ordered for another ten "business" days. Shipping would be upto 8 business days. The total days would be close to or will pass the 30 days limit for the rebate timeline. This sounds to me that B&H tries to screw me over. What do you guys think? This doesn't sound like a good business practice? Yet they still post on their website selling the panny at higher price.

I am still waiting.. frown.gif

So as I am waiting, might as well ask. If I wanted to channel OTA HDTV signal to the projector without having a TV in the room, ALL I would need an external HDTV tuner box, correct? Any recommendations on which one to get?
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I went through this a few years ago, before being absorbed by the Borg Verizon.

Yes, you need the HDTV tuner box. But you also need an antenna, preferably high up. I put one in the attic. But the higher, the better the signal. As I recall, there is an active forum on AVS on the subject, both tuner boxes and antennas. Depending on how deep into the rabbit hole you want to go, there are DIY antenna designs: not too hard to build either.
post #2691 of 3228
Called BH for an update; was told should ship around Wednesday next week.

Between the shipping delay, the quality control issues, large rebate, etc I'm thinking the JVC 4910 might be more my speed. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

I went through this a few years ago, before being absorbed by the Borg Verizon.

Yes, you need the HDTV tuner box. But you also need an antenna, preferably high up. I put one in the attic. But the higher, the better the signal. As I recall, there is an active forum on AVS on the subject, both tuner boxes and antennas. Depending on how deep into the rabbit hole you want to go, there are DIY antenna designs: not too hard to build either.

Any recommendations on a good tuner box?
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I am thinking about just cancel the thing and get it at other place for 2100. Or have faith and save 300.

Also, has anyone use iogear wireless hdmi to connect this pj to the source? 8k use ir for 3d and the iogear also uses IR, but I think they use different frequency. I wonder if this is feasible?
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Originally Posted by tshot07 View Post

I am thinking about just cancel the thing and get it at other place for 2100. Or have faith and save 300.

Also, has anyone use iogear wireless hdmi to connect this pj to the source? 8k use ir for 3d and the iogear also uses IR, but I think they use different frequency. I wonder if this is feasible?

bought mine from PJ people. There is a member selling one I think.

on a side note. I sent pictures of the blob which is possibly dust which I couldn't do anything about. Pj People send me another one two day. It will be here tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Are you saying the 8000 doesn't handle some bluray discs well?

Also I would like to know how you check color uniformity and convergence.

No. Nearly all BDs are 24p so playback fine

To check color uniformity just use a plain white screen or plain black.

Convergence... You just need a test pattern. Just google ...
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Could it have anything to do with the 8000's frame interpolation feature? Maybe FI interacts with upconverted 24p material. Game mode would turn that off. I'm not making any excuses for Panasonic. I'm just trying to understand what might be causing the issue.

And please tell what happened to WilliamG's unit.

If you want to know what happened to Williams unit, just go back about 30 pages, then there is about 29 pages about that very subject.....
post #2697 of 3228
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Originally Posted by kendo70433 View Post

Could it have anything to do with the 8000's frame interpolation feature? Maybe FI interacts with upconverted 24p material. Game mode would turn that off. I'm not making any excuses for Panasonic. I'm just trying to understand what might be causing the issue.

And please tell what happened to WilliamG's unit.

Yes, that could be it. Again the problem (I think) is 24p film based material that's broadcast at 1080i/60 as with broadcast or cable tv.

WilliamG's unit got scratched up after it was sent in for service with panasonic. Other members have reported similar experiences
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Originally Posted by Viipottaja View Post

Any recommendations on a good tuner box?

For OTA ... HomeWorx HW180STB
For CTV (clear QAM) with or without cablecard samsung smart media player
post #2699 of 3228
I've pretty well decided on buying the 8000, but I missed out on the black friday deals (didn't have permission from the boss). Now they have a $350 MIR, but that is it. Anybody know if there might be better deals coming up at new year's?
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Originally Posted by Viipottaja View Post

Any recommendations on a good tuner box?

As I mentioned, I haven't used one in a while. But here is the AVS Forum thread. http://www.avsforum.com/f/25/hdtv-technical And they have a sticky on STB recommendations. The top recommendation was originally posted in 2011. So apw2607 might have a better lead.
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