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post #2731 of 3198
EDIT: Mississippi Man, I just saw your very helpful post in your other thread. Thank you so much! If anyone else wants to toss in their two cents, feel free!


What is the ideal distance for the pj to be mounted from the screen as far as picture quality goes? I have a flexible setup, and would like to put the pj in the best position possible. I am mounting the top edge of the screen about 4 inches below the ceiling (just below crown molding) and I will be hanging the pj from the 8ft ceiling so achieving the 8 inch or less rule should be easily done.

I assume there are a couple of factors to consider?

1. Do I want the pj behind the audience? I assume "if at all possible?"
2. Farther back equals dimmer image?
3. Extremely close or extremely far will result in distortion so that must be corrected somehow?

I am using a 120 inch fixed "Silver Ticket" screen, cost about $275 and was easy to put together. I think gain is about 1.1?

Thanks for any tips!

Tom Steele
Edited by tsteele93 - 12/15/13 at 10:15am
post #2732 of 3198
Got the new Panny 8000 replacement unboxed. Did a temp setup on a ladder and a 92 inch bedsheet.The Panny 8000 was roughly16'10-17 feet back from the sheet. Going by the calculator on a 92 inch screen, it stated I should mount it 9-18 feet back. I measured it from the ladder to the screen after I took everything down. Meant to ask, I ran Pacific Rim from my WD passport through my Sony S580, then to my Marantz 8801, then finally to the PJ. I noticed a somewhat soap opera effect or fake effect like when a certain setting is turned on. Is there a way to turn this off or is this just built in?
Sorry for the quality, snapped these real quick with the iPhone 5

Here are my results:



post #2733 of 3198
That sounds like the frame creation may be set a bit high. IIRC, there are 3 settings (4 if you count off...) Play with it and see what you like best. I had mine off for a while, then turned it on to the lowest setting. Sharpens things up a bit without going full soap opera.
post #2734 of 3198
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Originally Posted by GWCR View Post

That sounds like the frame creation may be set a bit high. IIRC, there are 3 settings (4 if you count off...) Play with it and see what you like best. I had mine off for a while, then turned it on to the lowest setting. Sharpens things up a bit without going full soap opera.

what about frame interpolation? PJ people guy said something about that also via email.
post #2735 of 3198
If you don't like that smooth motion effect (most people don't) You turn it off in the main picture settings menu, It's called "Frame Creation". You want it off, it defaults to Mode1 I think. There are 3 modes, each with more and more interpolation.

I use it on the lowest setting only when viewing 3D since it is necessary to have on before you can enable "3D Motion Remaster" which I quite like as it makes 3D a lot move enjoyable and eliminates the small parallax error that active 3D shutter glasses have.
post #2736 of 3198
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I had zero issues with the order and the projector arrived on time. They simply sold out of the stock and are waiting for replacement stock direct from Panasonic. I don't follow your logic about rebates. It's got nothing to do with the retailer. The rebate is through Panasonic.

Always entertaining when the kids come in to defend non-AVS retailers. Now they've sent me an official backorder notice while still offering the AE8000 for sale to other folks (sans rebate) before Christmas. For mass retailers the rebate is very much relevant. It affects the co-marketing funds they get from Panasonic so part of it comes out of their pocket. They have every incentive to lure folks in then try to get them to buy without the rebate. Should have known better than to buy something with a two-day rebate window, particularly with a $550 rebate - the incentive for fraud is just too high. Between Newegg, B&H and a few of the others it's gotten so you either buy from a specialty retailer like AVS or Amazon, everyone else is turning into a clip joint targeting low-information consumers. Oh well, I'll give em to the end of the week to resolve this "back order" issue and then cancel - there are other ways to make them pay.
post #2737 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

what about frame interpolation? PJ people guy said something about that also via email.

Frame creation is set to 1 out the box. If you turn it off I believe it will resolve your issue.

I did find frame creation more aggressive than on the 4000. I often used it on mode 1 with 24p material, but on the 8000 found it just too much on mode 1.
post #2738 of 3198
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Frame creation is set to 1 out the box. If you turn it off I believe it will resolve your issue.

I did find frame creation more aggressive than on the 4000. I often used it on mode 1 with 24p material, but on the 8000 found it just too much on mode 1.

Ill have to check, but there are three steps and it is on 1 out of the box? wow.
it wasn't a lot, but definitely noticeable.
post #2739 of 3198
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

Always entertaining when the kids come in to defend non-AVS retailers. Now they've sent me an official backorder notice while still offering the AE8000 for sale to other folks (sans rebate) before Christmas. For mass retailers the rebate is very much relevant. It affects the co-marketing funds they get from Panasonic so part of it comes out of their pocket. They have every incentive to lure folks in then try to get them to buy without the rebate. Should have known better than to buy something with a two-day rebate window, particularly with a $550 rebate - the incentive for fraud is just too high. Between Newegg, B&H and a few of the others it's gotten so you either buy from a specialty retailer like AVS or Amazon, everyone else is turning into a clip joint targeting low-information consumers. .

Don't be mistaken...I feel your pain....but the equation is really simpler than that. But obviously it seems to take to explaining and clarification for those "low-information" consumers out there.

Purchasing from Authorized Panasonic Dealers validates the Purchaser's ability to receive any such Rebates offered by Panasonic.

The Dealer is neither penalized or benefits from Factory Sponsored Rebates, beyond those Rebates attracting potential Buyers....and showing the Mfg they have the ability to move product, therein qualifying for preferential consideration when product disbursement decisions are made by the Distributors.

Certainly, Authorized Panasonic Dealers who "KNOW" they have limited stock or availability, and have less (...or no...) concern for the Consumer's part in it all, don't worry if they do not state that supply is limited, nor inform the Purchaser at the time of ordering that Inventory is not available or won't become available prior to the end of the sale. But if they take your money...actually debit your account or accept a order w/a hold on the account, they are obligated to send you a Invoice stating that the purchase is approved and accepted, while also stating that you will be notified when the product ships.

Many Dealers don't want to do that because it requires more effort and time, and places them in a position of responsibility when in fact they may have no recourse than to deal with disappointing a Customer if things go south. Many times we all have seen product being promised to be released by a certain date, orders taken and deposits held (...even with the AVS Store...) only to see the Mfg / Distributor fail to deliver.

If a Consumer "Calls" in a order and authorizes a hold be placed on the Credit Card, "most" Dealers will send a conformation of Purchase, and when the Invoice is presented, the sale date reflects the date of order. Any order received via Internet almost always entails a delay in processing / validation, and actual billing does not happen until shipment.

Reputable companies like Projector People will take an order based on incoming inventory, but they seldom validate the date of order for any such rebates....IF they must wholly depend upon the Manufacturer being responsible for getting...or not getting product in their hands. However if they (...the Dealer... )had inventory at the start of any such promotion runs out before you place an order...., it's simply too late.

Any Consumer with any degree of foresight or understanding about "Limited Time Offers" knows that they must get verbal "AND" written conformation of available inventory, as well as the date of an order, to be assured of any validating process.

Lastly, if the date of the order is valid, yet product is not in hand by the end of the time period allotted for any Mail -in Rebate (...usually at least 30 days after the end if the prescribed date of sale and/or the stated Rebate period...) then it comes down to a failure on the part of both parties. The Consumer failed to pick a dependable source and/or confirm the availability of inventory, and the Dealer failed to live up to his advertised ability to provide the product.

Both circumstances might entail things that are entirely out of the control of either or both affected parties.

The only thing certain in it all is that we can expect to hear someone who was affected complain bitterly about losing out on a massive rebate such as the $550.00 one that has passed away. And who can blame' em?

I myself took no chances, and placed 3 orders from PP at 1:00 am on Black Friday, and followed up with 2 more on Cyber Monday. I did so with impunity because I checked on Thursday and was told that PP received over 250 units.

B&H....about 30............, NewEgg refused to disclose their quantity. That is a big 'ol Red Flag.

Today I called in another 8K order to PP. They stated they had 75 in stock. You gotta bet on a Horse that has 4 legs and runs in the right direction to have a chance of coming into the money.
post #2740 of 3198
Ordered mine from PP on Cyber Monday. Got it two days later, sent the rebate in right away. ($550)
post #2741 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Ordered mine from PP on Cyber Monday. Got it two days later, sent the rebate in right away. ($550)

I'm literally burning through PPs inventory....just copped another one w/$350.00 rebate. I already got my order conformation and expect my Tracking Number before days end for a delivery timed for Thursday.

Final cost after the Customer get's their Rebate: $ 2099.00
post #2742 of 3198
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Don't be mistaken...I feel your pain....but the equation is really simpler than that. But obviously it seems to take to explaining and clarification for those "low-information" consumers out there.

Purchasing from Authorized Panasonic Dealers validates the Purchaser's ability to receive any such Rebates offered by Panasonic.

The Dealer is neither penalized or benefits from Factory Sponsored Rebates, beyond those Rebates attracting potential Buyers....and showing the Mfg they have the ability to move product, therein qualifying for preferential consideration when product disbursement decisions are made by the Distributors.

Certainly, Authorized Panasonic Dealers who "KNOW" they have limited stock or availability, and have less (...or no...) concern for the Consumer's part in it all, don't worry if they do not state that supply is limited, nor inform the Purchaser at the time of ordering that Inventory is not available or won't become available prior to the end of the sale. But if they take your money...actually debit your account or accept a order w/a hold on the account, they are obligated to send you a Invoice stating that the purchase is approved and accepted, while also stating that you will be notified when the product ships.

Many Dealers don't want to do that because it requires more effort and time, and places them in a position of responsibility when in fact they may have no recourse than to deal with disappointing a Customer if things go south. Many times we all have seen product being promised to be released by a certain date, orders taken and deposits held (...even with the AVS Store...) only to see the Mfg / Distributor fail to deliver.

If a Consumer "Calls" in a order and authorizes a hold be placed on the Credit Card, "most" Dealers will send a conformation of Purchase, and when the Invoice is presented, the sale date reflects the date of order. Any order received via Internet almost always entails a delay in processing / validation, and actual billing does not happen until shipment.

Reputable companies like Projector People will take an order based on incoming inventory, but they seldom validate the date of order for any such rebates....IF they must wholly depend upon the Manufacturer being responsible for getting...or not getting product in their hands. However if they (...the Dealer... )had inventory at the start of any such promotion runs out before you place an order...., it's simply too late.

Any Consumer with any degree of foresight or understanding about "Limited Time Offers" knows that they must get verbal "AND" written conformation of available inventory, as well as the date of an order, to be assured of any validating process.

Lastly, if the date of the order is valid, yet product is not in hand by the end of the time period allotted for any Mail -in Rebate (...usually at least 30 days after the end if the prescribed date of sale and/or the stated Rebate period...) then it comes down to a failure on the part of both parties. The Consumer failed to pick a dependable source and/or confirm the availability of inventory, and the Dealer failed to live up to his advertised ability to provide the product.

Both circumstances might entail things that are entirely out of the control of either or both affected parties.

The only thing certain in it all is that we can expect to hear someone who was affected complain bitterly about losing out on a massive rebate such as the $550.00 one that has passed away. And who can blame' em?

I myself took no chances, and placed 3 orders from PP at 1:00 am on Black Friday, and followed up with 2 more on Cyber Monday. I did so with impunity because I checked on Thursday and was told that PP received over 250 units.

B&H....about 30............, NewEgg refused to disclose their quantity. That is a big 'ol Red Flag.

Today I called in another 8K order to PP. They stated they had 75 in stock. You gotta bet on a Horse that has 4 legs and runs in the right direction to have a chance of coming into the money.

Everything you say is true (ok, one exception, the manufacturers pay fees/rebate to resellers to be featured in sales catalogs/web ads (crutchfield, B&H, newegg, etc) and a portion of the rebates claimed through a particular reseller are often deducted from those co-marketing fees - the rebates are marketing costs, after all) - hell, almost everything I know abouit my painted screens comes from your work as well. It's just taken me getting screwed by newegg on a denon receiver and this latest (of several) experience with B&H to realize that these mass retailers are just out to make their margins, the consumer be damned. Heard nothing but good stuff from PP/AVS, etc, that's the way I need to go.
post #2743 of 3198
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

I'm literally burning through PPs inventory....just copped another one w/$350.00 rebate. I already got my order conformation and expect my Tracking Number before days end for a delivery timed for Thursday.

Final cost after the Customer get's their Rebate: $ 2099.00
$1899 wink.gif
post #2744 of 3198
Finally pulled mine from the box and set it up.
Because of the issues mentioned here I wanted to be sure the image was good before getting too carried away with the dedicated room.
Using the second display feature on my AVR and after giving it the 30 minutes to come into focus I"m pretty happy.
I set up a shelf in the middle of the 30' long room my system is currently in, so I have the 50" Panny at one end and the largest possible image on a flat Queen bed sheet at the other, both displaying the same content.. Really cool.
Got a parcel notification today, I'm assuming the screen will be folded...
Anyway, we're going to tear out a wall this weekend and will be ready for my new towers arriving after New-years.
I feel like a kid again. The wife hates it.
post #2745 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

$1899 wink.gif

How so...from where?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

1899 + 350 = $2249.00

So far this fella hasn't seen any Autorized Panny Dealers selling for that low a price.

If one is out there and has inventory, give 'em up!
post #2746 of 3198
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

How so...from where?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

1899 + 350 = $2249.00

So far this fella hasn't seen any Autorized Panny Dealers selling for that low a price.

If one is out there and has inventory, give 'em up!
$1899 + $550=$2449

Pj people
post #2747 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

$1899 + $550=$2449

Pj people
That deal was only during Black Friday weekend.
post #2748 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

$1899 + $550=$2449

Pj people

Where did you come up with that figure? I am constantly ordering the Panasonic, I just placed an order a couple of hours ago.... the prices 2449.00 before the 350 dollar rebate.

The 550.00 rebate expired on Cyber Monday.

You do realize that I was speaking about the current rebate amount, not the one offered 2 weeks ago?

.....besides, when that $550 rebate was offered, the 8000 was on sale for even less, and combined with the rebate the final price with 1749.00


....oh, someone beat me to the punch, I see.
Edited by MississippiMan - 12/17/13 at 12:21pm
post #2749 of 3198
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Where did you come up with that figure? I am constantly ordering the Panasonic, I just placed an order a couple of hours ago.... the prices 2449.00 before the 350 dollar rebate.

The 550.00 rebate expired on Cyber Monday.

You do realize that I was speaking about the current rebate amount, not the one offered 2 weeks ago?

I was merely stating that I got mine on cyber Monday for that price.
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Originally Posted by ch1sox View Post

That deal was only during Black Friday weekend.

OK?
post #2750 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

I was merely stating that I got mine on cyber Monday for that price.
OK?

He's talking about current deals, not deals that have expired.
post #2751 of 3198
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post



.....besides, when that $550 rebate was offered, the 8000 was on sale for even less, and combined with the rebate the final price with 1749.00

.

Not on cyber Monday it wasn't. It was $2549 minus $100, then the $550 rebate from PJ people.
Like I said I was just stating that I got it cheaper on the cyber Monday deal.
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Originally Posted by ch1sox View Post

He's talking about current deals, not deals that have expired.

Ok. I don't really care. I was just stating where and how much. You obviously misunderstood me.
post #2752 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

Not on cyber Monday it wasn't. It was $2549 minus $100, then the $550 rebate from PJ people.
Like I said I was just stating that I got it cheaper on the cyber Monday deal.
Ok. I don't really care. I was just stating where and how much. You obviously misunderstood me.

lol...it's you who misunderstood the context of what he was saying...
post #2753 of 3198
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Originally Posted by ch1sox View Post

lol...it's you who misunderstood the context of what he was saying...

I didn't misunderstand a single thing. I saw what he wrote and just stated what I got mine for. You two blew a o ring and got defensive.
I don't really care that I bought mine two weeks ago, like "Im not cool or something" childish. Wow, I wish I could have gotten that awesome $350 rebate and spent $200 more and been "cool".

whoopty friggin doo

o yeah PS, its dropped
post #2754 of 3198
I paid $2348 with a $550 rebate which = $1798. I ordered on Cyber Monday and have not received the PJ yet. I did get an email yesterday that said they are back ordered and no date of delivery was given to me. I am seriously considering canceling it. You only have 30days from date of purchase to get the rebate, unless it is deferred? Anyone?
post #2755 of 3198
Those are some killer prices!

I found my 8030UB for $2300 but I might have gone the 8000 route for another $500 in savings!
post #2756 of 3198
With the online calculator, does it matter if you have the projector mounted a tad closer?

If it recommends 9-18 feet, would it be fine to be on the lower end like 12-13 feet to have more brightness?
post #2757 of 3198
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

With the online calculator, does it matter if you have the projector mounted a tad closer?

If it recommends 9-18 feet, would it be fine to be on the lower end like 12-13 feet to have more brightness?

Yes, you want to be in the lower to mid area of the range. You will need all the brightness you can get.
12-13 feet should be just about ideal.
post #2758 of 3198
nezff,

I know you said "dropped" but I want you to know I wasn't raggin' ya.

Myself, I was genuinely concerned that somehow I had paid more than I should have with the $350.00 rebate program in effect at present. I even called about it. eek.gif

Sorry if it seemed I was intense....I was just a little dismayed I might of been snookered somehow.


As for the "Throw Distance" question, I often crowd the distance to with 10% of the available Throw.....6" to 8" from maximum zoom. I like to have all the lumen output available, because I always run the lamps on Eco..for the 5k Hours ya know....as well as to be assured of the best Black levels. Also, since 99.9% of all my screens are Silver Fire-s the equation balances out perfectly.

The Panny's optics are excellent, so that even at 140"+ and full Zoom I see no "barreling" or distortion. But even so, it's always best to keep some Zoom adjustment available...and that becomes critical if your using the Lens Memory feature, as the 2.39:1 aspect requires the highest degree of Zoom.
post #2759 of 3198
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I paid $2348 with a $550 rebate which = $1798. I ordered on Cyber Monday and have not received the PJ yet. I did get an email yesterday that said they are back ordered and no date of delivery was given to me. I am seriously considering canceling it. You only have 30days from date of purchase to get the rebate, unless it is deferred? Anyone?


Do NOT Cancel! I was in your same situation, and mine was just shipped by B&H! Will arrive on the 20th, so PLENTY of time to send in the $550 rebate to Panasonic. My Final price will be $1799, which is a STEAL. Keep the faith, if you ordered from B&H, they stated to me that they are aware of the rebate and will make sure that everyone receives the PJ with time to submit the rebate. I will!

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Regarding the prices, B&H did have the PJ for $2,299 for Black Friday and a bit of Saturday if I recall correctly. Then they increased the price to $2,349 just at the same time I was placing the order!! :-( I called in and was told that the $2,299 was a sale for their "on-hand" inventory. After their inventory ran out, they increased the price by $50, which is still very good, and you probably will get a PJ that was manufactured recently. I got mine for $2,349 with the $550 rebate. Waited until today when it was finally shipped. It seems they got only a limited amount of units that they used to fulfill the orders that are waiting, because they are still showing it as out of stock. But now they are even offering free 2nd day shipping. Mine was upgraded to UPS Ground after I called in, so I am getting it in 2 days as well. I hope everything is fine with it because after I cut the UPC barcode, there are no more returns! I checked extensively and B&H's price was the best offer by far. Shame I waited too long, could have saved an additional $50.

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