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post #31 of 48
+1 for the Hsu HB-1s. They're great speakers for music and put out a lot of bass on their own. I'd suggest buying a pair with one of their subs as well. I have them paired with the VTF3mk3 sub (mk4 is the newer version) but you might not need that much sub, just depends on the volume of your space. They are high sensitivity and easy to drive. This setup should be all you need as it'll play very loud and sound great doing it.

http://hsuresearch.com/products/value2pkg.html
post #32 of 48
OP: if your main goal is to throw parties, get one of those old, large speakers. They have the loudness, clarity, bass etc. that you are looking for. No need for a sub. I am a big fan of the Klipsch KG series. No they are not harsh. I have owned B&W 602 S2, Magnepan MG12, PSB T65 and I dont find Klipsch harsh at all. I have also owned RB81 and RF82. I find the older KG series a bit smoother in highs than the RB81 or RF82. But the RB81 or RF82 were not very harsh either. Just that whenever people see or hear the name "Klipsch", they immediately say that they are harsh, even though most of them never owned them before.

Some may find them more forward due to pronounced mid range. They are not going to be as laid back as the Vienna Acoustics. A simple trick I use is to tame down the mids a little on my Denon 3310. I dont use Audyssey got 2ch music. Note that you have to tame down both the fundamental range of human voice and the higher harmonics to make the voice less forward. So I reduce 125,250Hz by some 3-4 db and also 1000, 2000 Hz by 4db. I picked them as they are closest available on my Denon 3310. I guess I also lowred 500Hz a bit. I have to check. If you have a digital EQ like Behringer DEQ2496 (which I also have but dont use much), you can tweak more.

The KG model is old but you can find many in great shape locally in Craigslist of eBay.

Here are some images of the older KG series. I always put the images when I get a chance as they look nice smile.gif Many of you may have seen this many times already smile.gif You can find them for a couple of 100 bucks on local Craigslist.



post #33 of 48
Thread Starter 
I really want to get a sub though. I like the way it adds the "vibration" to a room. Also, I'm not trying to get super loud speakers - I live in a condo of 1200 sq feet; the neighbors would be ok with a mid-sized, kinda loud (but not super loud), parties once a month. Still, I like the idea of checking out craigslist to see what's out there. But, I get nice club discounts on these products, so I may be better off just getting these brand new if they're worth it.

For now, I'm leaning towards 2 towers and 1 sub. I'm looking to pick towers from this list:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1433081/best-towers-floorstanding-speakers-from-this-list

If anyone can help critique some of the speakers on that list, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
post #34 of 48
Well there is really nothing remarkable about any of those speakers in that list. Large used speakers will give you a better value for the money. I have those Klipsch KG5.2 and a Sunfire True Sub Junior and those Klipsch speakers go as low as my sub. In all probability you are also planning to get a low budget sub which is not going to impress anyone. I also own the KG4.2's and KG4.5's and they also put out a lot of bass.
post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Well there is really nothing remarkable about any of those speakers in that list. Large used speakers will give you a better value for the money. I have those Klipsch KG5.2 and a Sunfire True Sub Junior and those Klipsch speakers go as low as my sub. In all probability you are also planning to get a low budget sub which is not going to impress anyone. I also own the KG4.2's and KG4.5's and they also put out a lot of bass.

Well, I'm getting this sub right here:


Sunfire 300-Watt 12" Dual Driver Powered Subwoofer
Model: SUN-SDS12

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/review-sunfire-dynamic-series-sds-12-subwoofer

That should be a pretty good sub right? Problem when I search for used speakers on Craigslist, there's a lof of stuff on there and I don't have the experience or savvines to dig through all of it. Then I need to be able to determine if the speakers have a defect or not. So, I don't know, used speakers seems risky for me. But, I'll be looking around in the meantime. If you find anything on Chicago craigslist that you can recommend, then I would be able trust your judgement. But personally, I don't know what to look for. I can't just search "Large party speakers" - that won't work.

cel4145 recommended the KEF iq90s for tower speakers, brand new, at $400:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542082593/?SSAID=389818

What do you think of those?
post #36 of 48
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/3323836684.html
You would need a sub with that. Visually it seems to be in great shape. Listen to them and also closely inspect the foam surrounds on the woofers to make sure there are no cracks. You can ask for $175. Given the good cosmetic condition, anything less than $175 may be a weak offer. I also see Klipsch RF3 and RF62 in Chicago CL but the asking price is high.

That Sunfire may be ok for music but if you want room shaking bass you may not get it as it starts to drop off below some 30Hz. it depends on your music taste. If you play bass heavy music and want that room shaking effect, the smaller subs like 12" sealed may not get there. You have to go for 12" ported models. But then you are also going to bother the neighbors. Instead of spending $500 on that sub, you might as well get the Klipch RW12-D that has good rating and also goes on sale at Newegg for $300.

Sure if you dont have the experience buying used, then you should stick with the new.

You might want to mention your budget for the 2 towers and a sub. I have not heard KEF's but based on reviews, I would rate them higher than Polk, Infinity etc. You may not be very happy with B&M brands like Polk, Infinity etc. as they may not give you the sound quality you are looking for. That is why I suggested used as that would give you better speakers for the money.
post #37 of 48
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/3323836684.html
You would need a sub with that. Visually it seems to be in great shape. Listen to them and also closely inspect the foam surrounds on the woofers to make sure there are no cracks. You can ask for $175. Given the good cosmetic condition, anything less than $175 may be a weak offer.
I have not heard KEF's but based on reviews, I would rate them higher than Polk, Infinity etc. You may not be very happy with B&M brands like Polk, Infinity etc. as they may not give you the sound quality you are looking for. That is why I suggested used as that would give you better speakers for the money.

How would you compare this used Klipsch KG3.5's speakers' quality compared to the KEF iq90s. Assuming they're in good condition, I could get those used for $200, versus $800 for the KEF iq90's brand new. And if the quality is similar, then I'd probably go for the used ones. But if the iq90s are a lot better, then I'd be willing to spend extra for the brand new speakers.
post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by yuriygeorge View Post

How would you compare this used Klipsch KG3.5's speakers' quality compared to the KEF iq90s. Assuming they're in good condition, I could get those used for $200, versus $800 for the KEF iq90's brand new. And if the quality is similar, then I'd probably go for the used ones. But if the iq90s are a lot better, then I'd be willing to spend extra for the brand new speakers.

If I just look at the specs for KEF, they should hold their ground but is the sound quality 4 times that of the KG3.5? The KEF seem to go lower than the KG3.5 but unless you listen to them at a store you will not know. If that CL place is near by, you should at least go listen to them. If the woofer surrounds are in good shape and there are no dings, it is worth $175. Also note that the KG3.5 has wood veneer so it is easy to sand the surface if there are any minor scratches. Where as the KEF is most likely vinyl veneer. If you keep looking, you may find the KG4.2, 4.5 or 5.2 for some $250. They may not need a sub. if you want slightly newer model, you can look for used Klipsch RF series but they tend to go for a higher price. If you are willing to pay $800 for new, then you can also look at the current Klipsch RF 62 II. Check with Sonund Distributors. MSRP is $1000 but you may get them for $800 shipped.
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

If I just look at the specs for KEF, they should hold their ground but is the sound quality 4 times that of the KG3.5? The KEF seem to go lower than the KG3.5 but unless you listen to them at a store you will not know. If that CL place is near by, you should at least go listen to them. If the woofer surrounds are in good shape and there are no dings, it is worth $175. Also note that the KG3.5 has wood veneer so it is easy to sand the surface if there are any minor scratches. Where as the KEF is most likely vinyl veneer. If you keep looking, you may find the KG4.2, 4.5 or 5.2 for some $250. They may not need a sub. if you want slightly newer model, you can look for used Klipsch RF series but they tend to go for a higher price. If you are willing to pay $800 for new, then you can also look at the current Klipsch RF 62 II. Check with Sonund Distributors. MSRP is $1000 but you may get them for $800 shipped.

I could get the Klipsch Reference II Series Dual 6.5" Cerametallic™ Woofer Floor-Standing Speaker for $250 at this club I'm in. Also, they're $350 at this site:
http://hifiheaven.net/store/Klipsch-RF-62-II-Floorstanding-Speaker-demo&currency=USD

Are we talking about the same product?
post #40 of 48
$250 for RF3 is a good deal. This is newer than the KG series.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/3298090252.html

This will bring your condo down smile.gif

http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/ele/3305990943.html
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by yuriygeorge View Post

I could get the Klipsch Reference II Series Dual 6.5" Cerametallic™ Woofer Floor-Standing Speaker for $250 at this club I'm in. Also, they're $350 at this site:
http://hifiheaven.net/store/Klipsch-RF-62-II-Floorstanding-Speaker-demo&currency=USD
Are we talking about the same product?

Yep. That is what I was talking about.

$250 per speaker for brand new RF62 II is a great deal. I have bought stuff from hifiheaven at Audiogon. if their store is not in Chicago then you have to check what S&H is.
Edited by Mupi - 10/9/12 at 2:30pm
post #42 of 48
BTW that $350 is for a display model. But if it comes with the full warranty, it is a good deal. What club are you in. One of those buy direct clubs? If they give full warranty for $500/pair for new RF62-II, I would get them. That is half MSRP!!. I am not sure how they get it and how they are advertising that low. They are not allowed to advertise lower than MSRP for new speakers. Display models can be listed under MSRP.
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

$250 for RF3 is a good deal. This is newer than the KG series.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/3298090252.html
This will bring your condo down smile.gif
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/ele/3305990943.html

I can also get the Klipsch RF-82 II Reference II Series Dual 8" Cerametallic™ Woofer Floor-Standing Speaker for $310 w/ S/H. Would you rather get these brand new together for $620, or get the KLF-20 pair used for $750? The Klipsh RF82 MSRP is $550 per speaker, while the KLF-20 is $1,550. Woah. $750 for a pair used is pretty good I supppose.

The Klipsch KLF-20 has great reviews. Over 150 reviews and 4.75 stars. Like you said, these can get very loud, but if I play them at a lower level, they'd still sound really awesome right, even though I'm not using them to their full "potential."
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

BTW that $350 is for a display model. But if it comes with the full warranty, it is a good deal. What club are you in. One of those buy direct clubs? If they give full warranty for $500/pair for new RF62-II, I would get them. That is half MSRP!!. I am not sure how they get it and how they are advertising that low. They are not allowed to advertise lower than MSRP for new speakers. Display models can be listed under MSRP.

Yeah, they'd come with the standard manufacturers warranty. Still think I better get these brand new with warranty, RF-82's, instead of the used KLF-20?
post #45 of 48
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Originally Posted by yuriygeorge View Post

I can also get the Klipsch RF-82 II Reference II Series Dual 8" Cerametallic™ Woofer Floor-Standing Speaker for $310 w/ S/H. Would you rather get these brand new together for $620, or get the KLF-20 pair used for $750? The Klipsh RF82 MSRP is $550 per speaker, while the KLF-20 is $1,550. Woah. $750 for a pair used is pretty good I supppose.
The Klipsch KLF-20 has great reviews. Over 150 reviews and 4.75 stars. Like you said, these can get very loud, but if I play them at a lower level, they'd still sound really awesome right, even though I'm not using them to their full "potential."

Note that the KLF-20 is a discontinued older model. They use 2 10" woofers and they are also very heavy (86.5 lb each). They will go lower than the RF-82 II. But if you are getting the RF-82 II for $620 shipped with full warranty, go for the RF 82 II. BTW the MSRP of RF-82 II is $600/each. Hope your club is not listing the older RF-82. Even if it is the older RF-82, it is a great deal at $620 shipped with full warranty. The RF-82's would beat other tower speakers you have listed hands down

http://www.klipsch.com/rf-82-ii-floorstanding-speaker
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

Note that the KLF-20 is a discontinued older model. They use 2 10" woofers and they are also very heavy (86.5 lb each). They will go lower than the RF-82 II. But if you are getting the RF-82 II for $620 shipped with full warranty, go for the RF 82 II. BTW the MSRP of RF-82 II is $600/each. Hope your club is not listing the older RF-82. Even if it is the older RF-82, it is a great deal at $620 shipped with full warranty. The RF-82's would beat other tower speakers you have listed hands down
http://www.klipsch.com/rf-82-ii-floorstanding-speaker

Can you tell if these are the old or new ones:

Klipsch
Reference II Series Dual 8" Cerametallic™ Woofer Floor-Standing Speaker
PART OF THE: REFERENCE II SERIES COLLECTION
Model: RF-82 II

Features:
• High frequency crossover: 1400Hz
• High frequency drivers: 1" titanium diaphragm compression driver
• High frequency horn: 90° x 60° square Tractrix® horn
• Bass-reflex via dual rear-firing ports enclosure
• Dual binding posts/bi-wire/bi-amp inputs
• Woodgrain vinyl

Frequency_Response: 33Hz-24KHz ± 3dB
Impedance: 8 ohms Compatible
Sensitivity: 98dB @ 2.83V/1m
Wattage: 150 Watts RMS/600 Watts Peak
Woofer: Dual 8" Cerametallic™ Cone
Width: 9.3
Depth: 16.3
Height: 43.9
Unit of Measure: Inches
Weight: 61.5
Weight Unit of Measure: Pounds
Shipping Weight: 71
Shipping Weight Unit of Measure: Pounds

Thanks
post #47 of 48
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post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by yuriygeorge View Post

Can you tell if these are the old or new ones:
Klipsch
Reference II Series Dual 8" Cerametallic™ Woofer Floor-Standing Speaker
PART OF THE: REFERENCE II SERIES COLLECTION
Model: RF-82 II
Features:
• High frequency crossover: 1400Hz
• High frequency drivers: 1" titanium diaphragm compression driver
• High frequency horn: 90° x 60° square Tractrix® horn
• Bass-reflex via dual rear-firing ports enclosure
• Dual binding posts/bi-wire/bi-amp inputs
• Woodgrain vinyl
Frequency_Response: 33Hz-24KHz ± 3dB
Impedance: 8 ohms Compatible
Sensitivity: 98dB @ 2.83V/1m
Wattage: 150 Watts RMS/600 Watts Peak
Woofer: Dual 8" Cerametallic™ Cone
Width: 9.3
Depth: 16.3
Height: 43.9
Unit of Measure: Inches
Weight: 61.5
Weight Unit of Measure: Pounds
Shipping Weight: 71
Shipping Weight Unit of Measure: Pounds
Thanks

Yes Reference II (RF-82 II) is the current model. I guess the Reference I (RF-82) stock is most likely sold out by now.
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