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post #1141 of 3346
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Yea somebody has to pay the bills.

So here's some more impressions, 2d looks absolutely stunning with tons of detail and pop and motion is silky smooth. I think this is the projector to get if you are a previous DLP owner like me. Sharpness is just stunning with RC set to minimum and MPEG set to low. Black levels are very good, not as good as the JVC RS40 I demo'd but very nice overall. A huge upgrade for me coming from a Infocus X10. The 3D is very good as well. With FI set to low and RC at 20 ~ 30, it looks spectacular! It's just so clean and clear. Like looking through a window, especially with the glasses set at the highest setting. But there's too much ghosting in flicker at that setting so it's 2 or 3 for me. There's still some ghosting here and there and very little flicker. Even with the little ghosting and flicker I think its better then anything I've ever seen, including the Epson 6020 and Benq w1070 I recently sold. If only it could do 3d without any ghosting or flicker!!! Maybe one day. I played some Halo 4 online for a few hours and thought it was great and didn't notice any lag issues and I'm a SR64 so I play quite a bit.

So to sum it up I think the Sony is truly the best overall projector you can buy at the moment for under 3K. If you demand the absolute best blacks get yourself a JVC. In low lamp mode with the iris set to the lowest setting, blacks on the JVC are INKY black. Best I've ever seen on a projector. The Sony in comparison are dark greyish.
I too just came from an older DLP (Infocus 7205) which for a lot of years I loved. I didn't think I would like other projector tech. Not a fan at all of any LCD I've looked at. I agree, great overall picture quality, especially for mixed content at this price point. Now if I could afford a Sim2 Lumis 3d, I would be back to DLP in a heartbeat.
post #1142 of 3346
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Sony VPL HW50ES
post #1143 of 3346
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Has anybody tried the playstation brand 3d glasses with the hw50es? I ordered a pair for $20 off best buy the other day, but still don't have an emitter so I won't be able to try them out for awhile. Reviews are positive so I'm hopeful. However I wanted to see if anybody else had already tried these on this specific projector and what their performance is.

Link:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+3D+GLASSES/2904117.p?id=1218459141544&skuId=2904117&st=sony%203d%20glasses&cp=1&lp=1

I bought 6 a couple of weeks ago for $20 each. Works great!
post #1144 of 3346
Got my VPL-HW50 few days ago and I need some advices for settings regarding 3D.

I find picture flickering in bright 3D scenes pretty annoying and also crosstalk bothers in some scenes. So far I've watched Prometheus and Sammy's adventure and Prometheus was mostly OK but I saw some serious crosstalk in "hologram planet scene" starting around 00:18:30. In Sammy's adventures crosstalk and flickering was visible in many scenes.

Can crosstalk/flickering be reduced with other glasses? Currently I'm using Sony's own glasses.

3D picture seems to have greenish tint with Sony's glasses.Has anyone tried to calibrate the colors for 3D? I'd be grateful for some advices and directions where to go with color settings.wink.gif
post #1145 of 3346
My emitter finally came in along with a single pair of the playstation glasses. Syncing is better now, but if I move around the glasses that came with the projector do lose sync still. The playstation glasses do not. Also the emitter makes my remotes very hard to use. I guess that's somewhat expected but I'm tempted to move the emitter to the front of the room to avoid that and get better sync with the included glasses.

I just ordered another pair of the playstation glasses from amazon since bestbuy is sold out. I actually prefer the 3d performance of them better than the included glasses. I've only spent about 30min or so testing out the glasses but I feel the playstation ones ghost less.
post #1146 of 3346
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Originally Posted by VHT View Post

Got my VPL-HW50 few days ago and I need some advices for settings regarding 3D.

I find picture flickering in bright 3D scenes pretty annoying and also crosstalk bothers in some scenes. So far I've watched Prometheus and Sammy's adventure and Prometheus was mostly OK but I saw some serious crosstalk in "hologram planet scene" starting around 00:18:30. In Sammy's adventures crosstalk and flickering was visible in many scenes.

Can crosstalk/flickering be reduced with other glasses? Currently I'm using Sony's own glasses.

3D picture seems to have greenish tint with Sony's glasses.Has anyone tried to calibrate the colors for 3D? I'd be grateful for some advices and directions where to go with color settings.wink.gif

If you are using the higher brightness settings with the glasses you will see more crosstalk unfortunately. I use mine at the second highest and on what I've watched thus far I've only seen mild ghosting on what I've watched thus far.

For color calibration in 3D look at the shootout thread. Zombie10k is the guy to speak with. Although, everyone who color calibrates uses calibration equipment and will not just give you user settings to change because every unit can differ so settings for one projector may not work for the new one.
post #1147 of 3346
Off chance, but does anyone in this thread who might be in the Northern VA / DC / MD (DC Metro) area know if there is a 50ES on demo anywhere in the area?
post #1148 of 3346
Observations with 3d. I know that some say most hdmi cables will work for 3d which is true, BUT for me the cheaper cables I was using were causing more crosstalk, flicker, and eye strain. I recently received my high speed cables from monoprice and it's made a huge difference to my eyes. I can now watch 3d with the glasses set to 3 and 4 depending on content without hardly any crosstalk and flicker. I also found that using my darbee in 3d causes eye strain. Soon as I turn it off it goes away. I highly recommend these cables to help with 3d crosstalk/flicker and eye strain. I'm enjoying 3d much more now!!! And also remember to turn off the darbee in 3d. Just my 2 cents! tongue.gif
post #1149 of 3346
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Originally Posted by ClemsonJeeper View Post

Off chance, but does anyone in this thread who might be in the Northern VA / DC / MD (DC Metro) area know if there is a 50ES on demo anywhere in the area?

i live in the DC area and i was not able to find anyone that had this showing, i was only able to see the HW30 at the Route 7 best buy... which may no longer even be there.
post #1150 of 3346
This PJ in on my short list. One concern is wide screen vs 16X9 use. I am still vacillating on my screen type but a PJ that does both with memory is enticing. My issue with JVC is price and motion artifacts along with a history of bulb issues.
post #1151 of 3346
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Observations with 3d. I know that some say most hdmi cables will work for 3d which is true, BUT for me the cheaper cables I was using were causing more crosstalk, flicker, and eye strain. I recently received my high speed cables from monoprice and it's made a huge difference to my eyes. I can now watch 3d with the glasses set to 3 and 4 depending on content without hardly any crosstalk and flicker. I also found that using my darbee in 3d causes eye strain. Soon as I turn it off it goes away. I highly recommend these cables to help with 3d crosstalk/flicker and eye strain. I'm enjoying 3d much more now!!! And also remember to turn off the darbee in 3d. Just my 2 cents! tongue.gif

I wonder something, is it a good combination Darbee and sonyhw50es? do we really need Darbee INSTEAD of RC? Thank you
post #1152 of 3346
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Originally Posted by plasmaowner View Post

Observations with 3d. I know that some say most hdmi cables will work for 3d which is true, BUT for me the cheaper cables I was using were causing more crosstalk, flicker, and eye strain. I recently received my high speed cables from monoprice and it's made a huge difference to my eyes. I can now watch 3d with the glasses set to 3 and 4 depending on content without hardly any crosstalk and flicker. I also found that using my darbee in 3d causes eye strain. Soon as I turn it off it goes away. I highly recommend these cables to help with 3d crosstalk/flicker and eye strain. I'm enjoying 3d much more now!!! And also remember to turn off the darbee in 3d. Just my 2 cents! tongue.gif

I wonder something, is it a good combination Darbee and sonyhw50es? do we really need Darbee INSTEAD of RC? Thank you

 

I can't speak for 3D, but with 2D I've found RC set to around 10 and Darbee HiDEF around 35 to be a nice improvement over too much RC for the majority of my content (HDTV incl sports, 720p/1080p MKV rips as well as full BD's).  I also can't say I've experimented much with just Darbee and no RC.

post #1153 of 3346
I am about to decide for the Sony. Within the price I get 3 ISF calibrations done at home.

I have some doubts that I'd love you guys to help me with:

- I currently own a Playstation, but plan to buy a dedicated BlueRay. My shortlisted models are: Sony BDP-S790 or Panasonic DMP-BDT500. Any other you'd recommend good at music and 3D?
- I understand I should buy an external transmitter to avoid buzzing. Which one would you recommend?
- I will buy additional 3D glasses for the rest of the family, the Playstation model seems to be the right choice, correct? In case I buy an external transmitter should I buy different glasses?
- I am almost sure to place a 16:9 screen, 2,4 mts. screen size (7.8740ft wide). I'll mainly watch Blueray movies and DVDs, but also lot of TV shows...is it a pain to move from one screen size to the other because no memory lens or this is manageable?

Thanks so much for helping a newby.
Edited by pablofu - 1/27/13 at 4:26am
post #1154 of 3346
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Originally Posted by plasmaowner View Post

Observations with 3d. I know that some say most hdmi cables will work for 3d which is true, BUT for me the cheaper cables I was using were causing more crosstalk, flicker, and eye strain. I recently received my high speed cables from monoprice and it's made a huge difference to my eyes. I can now watch 3d with the glasses set to 3 and 4 depending on content without hardly any crosstalk and flicker. I also found that using my darbee in 3d causes eye strain. Soon as I turn it off it goes away. I highly recommend these cables to help with 3d crosstalk/flicker and eye strain. I'm enjoying 3d much more now!!! And also remember to turn off the darbee in 3d. Just my 2 cents! tongue.gif

I've always thought that HDMI cables either work or don't work. I've never seen any quality differences in 2D picture between different cables. Is 3D signal somehow different? My understanding is that if HDMI cable is able to pass through 1080p/60p it should also pass through 1080p/24 3D without any problems.
post #1155 of 3346
I can confirm that the playstation 3d glasses work great with my sony hw50 projector. They are about the same as the glasses that came with my projector. It is too bad that sony thinks we are running and jumping while we wear them, why else woud they design them to fit so snug on the back of your head. Other than that they are pretty comfortable. At 19.99 they are hard to beat for extra pairs. And unlike the monstervision glasses they actually seem to hold a charge.
post #1156 of 3346
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Originally Posted by pablofu View Post

I am about to decide for the Sony. Within the price I get 3 ISF calibrations done at home.

I have some doubts that I'd love you guys to help me with:

- I currently own a Playstation, but plan to buy a dedicated BlueRay. My shortlisted models are: Sony BDP-S790 or Panasonic DMP-BDT500. Any other you'd recommend good at music and 3D?
- I understand I should buy an external transmitter to avoid buzzing. Which one would you recommend?
- I will buy additional 3D glasses for the rest of the family, the Playstation model seems to be the right choice, correct? In case I buy an external transmitter should I buy different glasses?
- I am almost sure to place a 16:9 screen, 2,4 mts. screen size (7.8740ft wide). I'll mainly watch Blueray movies and DVDs, but also lot of TV shows...is it a pain to move from one screen size to the other because no memory lens or this is manageable?

Thanks so much for helping a newby.

1. Keep the PS3 until you can afford an Oppo BDP-103. The other two you listed don't hold a candle to the Oppo.

2. Don't bother with an external emitter unless you really need it. Mine is only in a temp home right now, but I don't hear the buzz when watching movies and I have no sync issues. When my room is finished and its in its permanent home if it has issues then ill get the emitter. If the emitter is required, get the Sony one.

3. The PS3 glasses are cheap, rechargeable and look pretty good. They are noticeably brighter as the tint isn't as dark as the factory glasses. They are also not as heavy. That said I still think I like the factory ones a bit better. But the PS3 ones are a good value alternative.

4. It's not feasible to readjust the Sony every time for different aspects. If that is something you require I would personally suggest a model with lens memory.

These are just my opinions, anyone else is free to chime in.
post #1157 of 3346
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

I wonder something, is it a good combination Darbee and sonyhw50es? do we really need Darbee INSTEAD of RC? Thank you

RC on the hw50 is mainly a sharping tool that works great, the Darbee also sharpens but also adds more contrast and depth to the picture. It's a great combination but I don't really think the Darbee is needed with the Sony. Its picture looks fantastic without the Darbee too! wink.gif I'm thinking about returning mine.

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Originally Posted by VHT View Post

I've always thought that HDMI cables either work or don't work. I've never seen any quality differences in 2D picture between different cables. Is 3D signal somehow different? My understanding is that if HDMI cable is able to pass through 1080p/60p it should also pass through 1080p/24 3D without any problems.

Yes you are right, however IMHO everything seems better with the new cables to my eyes. Could it just be me justifying my purchase? Maybe. I just wanted to share my observations. With my older cables 3d did work, but man I couldn't watch it for that long due to eye strain. With the new cables its still there but greatly improved and I'm able to make it though a movie or two with ease.
Edited by plasmaowner - 1/27/13 at 10:00am
post #1158 of 3346
Thanks Havok,
Very useful.
Just one question regarding your last comment, what do you mean is not feasible, not possible at all or a hassle?
I am can invest a bit more in the projector, not sure which model to look at. I liked the Sony.
Thanks again
post #1159 of 3346
I posted a variation of this in the shootout thread, but thought I'd target the HW50 guys...

I've got the HW30. When I got it, I ran some simple test patterns and realized the left side of the screen wasn't as sharp as the rest. I did an exchange and the 2nd unit had the exact same behavior. After further reading back then, it became apparent that lens inconsistency is just an attribute of all HW30s. It seems this is also the case with the HW50. As I've written before, while this stuff shows up in test patterns I've never noticed it in real world video content. Even a year later, I wouldn't have purchased one of those other models for my usage pattern.

Last weekend, about a year after getting my HW30, I decided to revisit the lens. I took my HW30 down from the ceiling and using various shelving I repositioned the HW30. Close/Further/offset left/offset right/centered vertical/up vertical/down vertical/etc. All in an attempt to see what gives the most uniform sharpness.

I wanted some specific patterns to test this. I really wanted a projector primary color pattern to set focus and then the same pattern with the different RGB colors to see convergence. I wanted to test focus separately from convergence, so a green only pattern was appropriate. I couldn't find these on the web so I created some test patterns to help me out. You HW50 guys might want to try them out.

What I found with my HW30 is that every mounting location exhibited some unfavorable behavior. The position just moved the problem. I was most surprised to see that a smack center PJ location exhibited some focus issues closer to the center of the screen! When all was said and done, I decided to stick with my existing mounting position. This is ceiling mounted about 10% below the screen top and centered vertically. The distance is about 70% toward the furthest distance from the screen. This gives a pretty sharp image across all but the left 15% of the screen. FWIW, I found I could make it a little better by moving the projector all the way back and using horizontal shift toward the right a little. Ultimately I decided the benefit wasn't worth the effort to move the ceiling mount.

The lens on my HW30 has some significant chromatic aberration (perhaps?) in the areas that have soft focus. The single color dot test shows it quite well.

Here is the info on the test pattern... I'd be interested to hear what HW50 people see as I've read the HW50 has the same lens as the HW30.

It's at

http://www.aaarpinball.com/Miscellaneous/p1080.htm

It's a very simply HTML5/JavaScript page with 2 patterns:

1) Single pixels spaced every 5 pixels
2) "Plus" signs (10 pixels high / 10 pixels wide)

Each of these two patterns comes in 6 variations: Red only, Green only, Blue only, Red+Green, Green+Blue, Red+Green+Blue (aka White)

There are 12 buttons on the top to pick the appropriate pattern/color.

If you want to give your PJ a focus workout, do the single pixel green test and see if that dot is clear all over the screen. If it's like my HW30, in some areas you will see a solid dot and then a "smear" coming out of it at some angle away from the center of the screen.

You may also find the manual focus is quite sensitive. If you are trying to optimize, a 1 degree or less turn can make a noticeable difference.
post #1160 of 3346
A mini question, from 4.5 meters (15' 2") can I use 120inc diagonal screen?
post #1161 of 3346
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A mini question, from 4.5 meters (15' 2") can I use 120inc diagonal screen?

yes, that's right in the middle of the zoom range.
post #1162 of 3346
Is anyone aware of any Canadian dealers that have the HW50? I've checked with some local stores (Edmonton, AB) and none of them carry Sony.

Thanks.
post #1163 of 3346
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Originally Posted by pablofu View Post

Thanks Havok,
Very useful.
Just one question regarding your last comment, what do you mean is not feasible, not possible at all or a hassle?
I am can invest a bit more in the projector, not sure which model to look at. I liked the Sony.
Thanks again

Its just a hassle. It means you'll have to readjust the picture size every time you want to move between 16:9 and 2:35 content if you want to match a 2:35 screen. I understand the HW50 does support an anamorphic lens though. So if you put one on a sled that would be the way to go. Of course, that gets into an entirely different price bracket.
post #1164 of 3346
Wow found the perfect combo for 2d, RC set to minimum, NR set to High, MPEG NR set to OFF, Darbee set to 30. This combo simply looks stunning with no artifacts from RC. Picture is super sharp and crystal clear. And blacks are just excellent with this projector, I'd say a close call between the JVC in certain scenes. JVC still wins though with mostly dark scenes with little to no light. Anyhow I calibrated my projector today and I'm just so blown away. Best 2d/3d I've ever seen. Watched Safe today and i just can't believe how crisp and clear it is with the settings above. Also watched Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole in 3d (RC 20, MPEG NR low, FI low, glasses 3) and it was STUNNING!!! Me and my wife just couldn't stop drooling over how amazing it looks. Far better then anything I've ever seen in 3d on any projector. So for those who don't like using RC much because of noise, try those settings! And btw I'm definitely keeping my Darbee for 2d, it's really makes the Sony POP.
post #1165 of 3346
Also, I HIGHLY recommend a HP screen with just about any projector. This Sony is very bright on my 2.8 gain 159" HP. So bright that I watch everything with the lamp set to low (except for 3d of course) and it's still plenty bright. 3d is also very bright on my HP. I find the glasses set to 3 gives the best mix for brightness and blacks. Glasses set to 4 is a very bright on my HP but blacks and contrast take a hit.
post #1166 of 3346
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Originally Posted by plasmaowner View Post

Also, I HIGHLY recommend a HP screen with just about any projector. This Sony is very bright on my 2.8 gain 159" HP. So bright that I watch everything with the lamp set to low (except for 3d of course) and it's still plenty bright. 3d is also very bright on my HP. I find the glasses set to 3 gives the best mix for brightness and blacks. Glasses set to 4 is a very bright on my HP but blacks and contrast take a hit.

what about the 3d performance, depth and popouts, ghosting, crosstalk flickers etc?

my second question do you use HP screen in living room, because i heard for a dedicated ht/ cave the best solution is 1.1 gain white screen (all walls and ceiling dark). i thought hp screen is not very suitable for a cave

thank you and kind regards

Cem;)
post #1167 of 3346
The 3d effect is excellent as far as depth and popouts, however it does occasionally suffer from slight crosstalk and flicker. But as I said before, it's still the best 3d i've seen because its just so clear, crisp, sharp and has TONS of contrast and excellent blacks. And with FI turned on it's just breathtaking with SO much detail and BUTTER smooth. RC and FI in 3d is just a deadly combo and gives and impeccable picture. Just look at some of the screen shots zombie posted. I'd say if you're willing to deal with a slight crosstalk and very very occasional flicker, you'll be blown away by it's 3d. I've owned the Acer 5360 and Benq w1070 and I'll take this Sonys 3d over both any day. They just don't hold a candle to the Sony, simply no comparison IMHO.

Yes I do use it in my living room, however I have complete light control (black velvet front wall, ceiling and curtains) and can make it pitch black. biggrin.gif
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The 3d effect is excellent as far as depth and popouts, however it does occasionally suffer from slight crosstalk and flicker. But as I said before, it's still the best 3d i've seen because its just so clear, crisp, sharp and has TONS of contrast and excellent blacks. And with FI turned on it's just breathtaking with SO much detail and BUTTER smooth. RC and FI in 3d is just a deadly combo and gives and impeccable picture. Just look at some of the screen shots zombie posted. I'd say if you're willing to deal with a slight crosstalk and very very occasional flicker, you'll be blown away by it's 3d. I've owned the Acer 5360 and Benq w1070 and I'll take this Sonys 3d over both any day. They just don't hold a candle to the Sony, simply no comparison IMHO.

Yes I do use it in my living room, however I have complete light control (black velvet front wall, ceiling and curtains) and can make it pitch black. biggrin.gif

did you test it with half sbs content, i heard it sucks can you make a test for us pls thank you bro
post #1169 of 3346
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Wow found the perfect combo for 2d, RC set to minimum, NR set to High, MPEG NR set to OFF, Darbee set to 30. This combo simply looks stunning with no artifacts from RC. Picture is super sharp and crystal clear. And blacks are just excellent with this projector, I'd say a close call between the JVC in certain scenes. JVC still wins though with mostly dark scenes with little to no light. Anyhow I calibrated my projector today and I'm just so blown away. Best 2d/3d I've ever seen. Watched Safe today and i just can't believe how crisp and clear it is with the settings above. Also watched Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole in 3d (RC 20, MPEG NR low, FI low, glasses 3) and it was STUNNING!!! Me and my wife just couldn't stop drooling over how amazing it looks. Far better then anything I've ever seen in 3d on any projector. So for those who don't like using RC much because of noise, try those settings! And btw I'm definitely keeping my Darbee for 2d, it's really makes the Sony POP.

Do you use the Darbee for the 3d also?If so what setting did you have it at.
post #1170 of 3346
Can someone tell me the distance between the center of the lens and the bottom of the projector? I would like to replace my AE2000 but the vertical shift is going to be tight and I need to know if I'll need to extend my mount to get 11.34" I'll need for my 110" screen.

Thanks
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