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post #1291 of 1885
2/8/13 at 8:08am
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The Sony unit arrived and has met my expectations in every area of performance but one. The one area is motion artifact. The motion artifact on this projector is terrible even with interpolation turned high.

Someone is definitely wrong. Motion on the Sony is excellent and mine doesn't have this problem even with FI turned off.
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post #1292 of 1885
2/8/13 at 11:30pm
:mad:Yes this is what I am seeing but to a much larger extent. If an object is fixed in place say a person standing still and behind the person something moves slowly say a car or maybe a another person or maybe a bird flying over any thing moving slowly jerks. Another example is someone is sitting at a table and goes to pickup a cup of coffee or the person starts to turn his head there is a jerky motion. On the TCM channel where there is a rolling scene of film moving with different movie pictures displayed on each frame just simply is blurry. The smooth motion does little. I ran my Oppo 95 and DIRECTV box directly to the projector. The picture is slightly clearer but no improvement to the jerking. The tearing is observed as a sudden jerk movement where the objects in motion run together and shake. I contacted Oppo and sat with them trying different settings nothing helped. My HDMI cable is the silver certified 25' cable. I never had this problem with a Plus Piano, Sharp XV-Z15000, NEC HT-1000 or any Epson Projector. I also brought my friends PT-AE-8000u over and did not experience this. All the HW50 settings are default. I tried shutting all the feature sets off AI, FI all filters movie black frame everything and again nothing helped. Its really interesting my check off list for all the usual 3 chip projectors passed sharpness, convergence, gray field uniformity, flaring noisy fan, bulb flicker, ghosting in 3D hell 2D to 3D looks good but I noticed on my list motion was not even listed simply because I did not find it listed on any review when testing 2D image. I even notice the jerking when you select the Oppo setup menu and scroll up or down the setup menu. One final point it’s bad as stated but when it’s cold it’s even worse. Have I covered everything?
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post #1293 of 1885
2/8/13 at 11:53pm
It may be time to contact Sony. It sounds like there is an issue with your projector.
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post #1294 of 1885
2/9/13 at 1:11am
Are u connecting stright to the 50 with the hdmi cable from the source ie no reciver switches ect in the path. try moving the oppo player close and use a different say 6 ft hdmi cable. Turn the motion FI on high. just try that, soundls like someting other than the sony. U migh not get such a good unit in all other aspects as this one.
I did and It is good in all those ways and has very sharp focus all over the screen from top to bottom and side to side. Motion is very good as well and no smearing on movment or jerking tearing ect. Uniaformity is exclent as well and that is a bugaboo for me from the 60 xbr green blob days. Black and white is just that with no coloration in portions of the screen. Its a sweet machine and the only one I have went for after seeing many over the years.
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post #1295 of 1885
2/9/13 at 2:15am
Many jvc annoyance after I bought a sony hw50
Minimal black level is missing but everything else is better
http://s1061.beta.photobucket.com/user/szepi0808/library/#/user/szepi0808/library/?&_suid=136040479690607328297808734812
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post #1296 of 1885
2/9/13 at 3:04am
Can you please tell me what is the distance between your projector and the ceiling? I like the stand I see and I want to know if the lens shift will be enough for my setup if I place it like this...
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post #1297 of 1885
2/9/13 at 5:04am
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Originally Posted by cl7gr View Post

Can you please tell me what is the distance between your projector and the ceiling? I like the stand I see and I want to know if the lens shift will be enough for my setup if I place it like this...

Between the ceiling projector and a 35 cm
Projection screen very close to the floor 40 cm
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post #1298 of 1885
2/9/13 at 5:49am
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:mad:Yes this is what I am seeing but to a much larger extent. If an object is fixed in place say a person standing still and behind the person something moves slowly say a car or maybe a another person or maybe a bird flying over any thing moving slowly jerks. Another example is someone is sitting at a table and goes to pickup a cup of coffee or the person starts to turn his head there is a jerky motion. On the TCM channel where there is a rolling scene of film moving with different movie pictures displayed on each frame just simply is blurry. The smooth motion does little. I ran my Oppo 95 and DIRECTV box directly to the projector. The picture is slightly clearer but no improvement to the jerking. The tearing is observed as a sudden jerk movement where the objects in motion run together and shake. I contacted Oppo and sat with them trying different settings nothing helped. My HDMI cable is the silver certified 25' cable. I never had this problem with a Plus Piano, Sharp XV-Z15000, NEC HT-1000 or any Epson Projector. I also brought my friends PT-AE-8000u over and did not experience this. All the HW50 settings are default. I tried shutting all the feature sets off AI, FI all filters movie black frame everything and again nothing helped. Its really interesting my check off list for all the usual 3 chip projectors passed sharpness, convergence, gray field uniformity, flaring noisy fan, bulb flicker, ghosting in 3D hell 2D to 3D looks good but I noticed on my list motion was not even listed simply because I did not find it listed on any review when testing 2D image. I even notice the jerking when you select the Oppo setup menu and scroll up or down the setup menu. One final point it’s bad as stated but when it’s cold it’s even worse. Have I covered everything?

did you try to take it to a friends setup that has newest hdmi cables and test there, just curious ?
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post #1299 of 1885
2/9/13 at 6:04am
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Between the ceiling projector and a 35 cm
Projection screen very close to the floor 40 cm
Thank you!Ι also had a jvc x35 which i couldnt place like this because of the lens shift and I wonder now that i will have a 50 next week if I can do it.
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post #1300 of 1885
2/9/13 at 6:23am
Is any body seem to be seeing more noise with the sony50es in their set up? i have tried RC at min to 20 max and have tried noise reduction on and off and seems to me i am seeing more noise than in my previous set up,D2 with sony 90es, now i have sony50 with Marantz 8801 and i have a stewart firehawk 1.3 gain 100" screen, I'm starting to wonder if it is because this projector is so much brighter and punchier than the 90 that now i am seeing the flaws in the picture more, by the way this is with viewing comcast and streaming movies, with blu ray and 3d it looks great.Sometimes the noise is better than other times, but it had me thinking after tying many times to change things up that maybe it is the brightness of the projector letting me see more of the flaws than im used to while viewing comcast??
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post #1301 of 1885
2/9/13 at 9:29am
Not yet I will today.
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post #1302 of 1885
2/9/13 at 10:09am
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Is any body seem to be seeing more noise with the sony50es in their set up? i have tried RC at min to 20 max and have tried noise reduction on and off and seems to me i am seeing more noise than in my previous set up,D2 with sony 90es, now i have sony50 with Marantz 8801 and i have a stewart firehawk 1.3 gain 100" screen, I'm starting to wonder if it is because this projector is so much brighter and punchier than the 90 that now i am seeing the flaws in the picture more, by the way this is with viewing comcast and streaming movies, with blu ray and 3d it looks great.Sometimes the noise is better than other times, but it had me thinking after tying many times to change things up that maybe it is the brightness of the projector letting me see more of the flaws than im used to while viewing comcast??

 

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the source just showing more flaws than you are used to seeing.  I noticed with just RC that I tended to see more noise with my DirecTV broadcasts (not so with compressed mkvs and bd iso's or folder structure) but when I added a Darbee to the chain it seemed to help imho.  Took me a while to settle in on something where I didn't have to change it between sources.  I think I have RC at 10 and Darbee in HiDef around 35.  I'm sure I could get more benefit on higher quality content but I prefer to set it and forget it.


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post #1303 of 1885
2/10/13 at 3:58am
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Thank you!Ι also had a jvc x35 which i couldnt place like this because of the lens shift and I wonder now that i will have a 50 next week if I can do it.

Hi, why are you switching please ?
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post #1304 of 1885
2/10/13 at 4:47am
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Hi, why are you switching please ?
When I was saying in this forum that jvc is a better projector than sony some people here believed that I was promoting jvc which is completely untrue. I still believe that jvc is a better build quality projector with a better lens. Although sony is a very nice machine too and is more suitable to my needs. Before i buy the x35 i tested both in my theater side by side. I really like blacks so jvc was my pick at the time as I found the picture more filmic. The things that I didn't like was the noise level in high mode and the very dim but ghosting free 3d. Even in 2d I had to play in high mode to be pleased in my 120" screen (I like very bright picture in 2d as well). Then I got a chance to see the sony again but calibrated this time... The blacks came very close, the shadow detail was better and all these in a very bright image. The noise is like the projector is off and the colors after calibration are much better than the dila. I still believe that dynamic iris is wrong way to achieve blacks (even if it is not noticeable) and the optics are not top class but everything else is much better. Now Jvc maybe would be again my choice but for a smaller screen size 106" max IMO.... This is just me.... I have reed others projecting in 120" and be very pleased... I also have to mention that my x35 had some convergence issues (3/4 of the red and 1/2 of the blue in all the way of the image).... Sony's pixel alignment is much better. Hope I help
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post #1305 of 1885
2/10/13 at 2:53pm
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When I was saying in this forum that jvc is a better projector than sony some people here believed that I was promoting jvc which is completely untrue. I still believe that jvc is a better build quality projector with a better lens. Although sony is a very nice machine too and is more suitable to my needs. Before i buy the x35 i tested both in my theater side by side. I really like blacks so jvc was my pick at the time as I found the picture more filmic. The things that I didn't like was the noise level in high mode and the very dim but ghosting free 3d. Even in 2d I had to play in high mode to be pleased in my 120" screen (I like very bright picture in 2d as well). Then I got a chance to see the sony again but calibrated this time... The blacks came very close, the shadow detail was better and all these in a very bright image. The noise is like the projector is off and the colors after calibration are much better than the dila. I still believe that dynamic iris is wrong way to achieve blacks (even if it is not noticeable) and the optics are not top class but everything else is much better. Now Jvc maybe would be again my choice but for a smaller screen size 106" max IMO.... This is just me.... I have reed others projecting in 120" and be very pleased... I also have to mention that my x35 had some convergence issues (3/4 of the red and 1/2 of the blue in all the way of the image).... Sony's pixel alignment is much better. Hope I help

If brightness was your concern you could have just purchased a Dalite HP screen. The JVC's black levels are definitely better and yes this the native contrast is better than the JVC and yes the lens is better on the JVC as the Sony isn't as sharp without RC enabled. I found just about everything else better on the Sony but I do miss the JVC contrast. The Dalite HP screen would have been given you that extra brightness you were looking for along with the JVC contrast. Some people don't like the HP screens but most that like it love it as do I.
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post #1306 of 1885
2/10/13 at 4:29pm
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The blacks came very close, the shadow detail was better and all these in a very bright image. The noise is like the projector is off and the colors after calibration are much better than the dila.

It's generaly what reviews and users are saying...


lens/sharpness : the more you are using lens shift, the more you 'll be complaining, but most people are talking about an excellent sharpness, really close (and even better for some) to the x35, even without rc (and obviouxly better with it)
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post #1307 of 1885
2/10/13 at 5:09pm
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The noise is like the projector

+1

The HW50 is so quiet I never hear mine whether set to low or high. Watched "I Saw the Devil" last last night (great movie btw) and was blown away by the image it threw on my 159" HP. Simply stunning. Me and my wife absolutely love this projector!
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post #1308 of 1885
2/10/13 at 5:40pm
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If brightness was your concern you could have just purchased a Dalite HP screen. The JVC's black levels are definitely better and yes this the native contrast is better than the JVC and yes the lens is better on the JVC as the Sony isn't as sharp without RC enabled. I found just about everything else better on the Sony but I do miss the JVC contrast. The Dalite HP screen would have been given you that extra brightness you were looking for along with the JVC contrast. Some people don't like the HP screens but most that like it love it as do I.
There are things that I like more in the jvc like the ones you mentioned but i guess we can't have it all in this price range. I know that I can use a hp screen but I can't change my stewart studiotec for anything else. We can hope that next years jvc will be brighter, more quiet and why not with cms or to see finally a dlp projector with dc4 and an iris as good as sony's at an affordable price! Thank you anyway
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post #1309 of 1885
2/10/13 at 7:29pm
Hey HW50 owners... Do any of you have Onkyo receivers?

I recently purchased an Onkyo TX-NR818 and have discovered it doesn't play well with my HW30. Since observing this problem, I've noticed it has been mentioned before. But unfortunately I didn't know that prior to purchasing....

I'm wondering if the HW50 and Onkyo receivers play well? Does anyone have this combination who can comment?

The problem is that the Sony projector will not turn on if the Onkyo is already powered on.

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post #1310 of 1885
2/10/13 at 10:42pm
I read in some forums some people say they prefer optoma/mvision glassess for reducing ghosting/flickering, is this possible?and also can we get better result in 3d with oppo 103 instead of PS3?
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post #1311 of 1885
2/11/13 at 5:40am
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+1

The HW50 is so quiet I never hear mine whether set to low or high. Watched "I Saw the Devil" last last night (great movie btw) and was blown away by the image it threw on my 159" HP. Simply stunning. Me and my wife absolutely love this projector!

What is the throw distance and zoom for that 160in ?
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post #1312 of 1885
2/11/13 at 7:12am
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I read in some forums some people say they prefer optoma/mvision glassess for reducing ghosting/flickering, is this possible?and also can we get better result in 3d with oppo 103 instead of PS3?

I have several pairs of the MV and one pair of the Optoma (most recent model). The software does allow you to tweak the settings but I could not consistently find anything better. Perhaps I could make better settings for one movie but they would not work as well with the next one. You could really dial up the brightness and not see any negatives but then with other material the ghosting was worse After playing around with the settings I ended up going back to the factory defaults. My decision was more based on the need for RF glasses. There is a whole thread on the MV that includes some negatives (charging and a buzz) but my experience with them has been good.
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post #1313 of 1885
2/11/13 at 11:30am
homecinema choice best buy http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/review-sony-vpl-hw50es/14329
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post #1314 of 1885
2/11/13 at 12:32pm
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What is the throw distance and zoom for that 160in ?

I noticed you mention you have a 159" HP -- Care to elaborate on the screen brand, gain and how far is your distance.. Please .. I'm looking into the same size, but a Carada screen with 1.4 gain.. I was told a 160" 2.35.1 was too big for my room size of 17' x 19'.

Thanks in advance.
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post #1315 of 1885
2/11/13 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Hey HW50 owners... Do any of you have Onkyo receivers?

I recently purchased an Onkyo TX-NR818 and have discovered it doesn't play well with my HW30. Since observing this problem, I've noticed it has been mentioned before. But unfortunately I didn't know that prior to purchasing....

I'm wondering if the HW50 and Onkyo receivers play well? Does anyone have this combination who can comment?

The problem is that the Sony projector will not turn on if the Onkyo is already powered on.

Thanks

Make sure "HDMI Control (RIHD)" on the Onkyo is set to OFF. Page 75 of your manual.
Make sure the "Control for HDMI" on the Sony is set to OFF. Page 60 of your manual.
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post #1316 of 1885
2/11/13 at 12:53pm
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What is the throw distance and zoom for that 160in ?

The lens is about 17 feet from the screen. Zoom is almost maxed out at this distance. I could put it as close as 16.1 feet to fill my screen.
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Originally Posted by DrZaus View Post

I noticed you mention you have a 159" HP -- Care to elaborate on the screen brand, gain and how far is your distance.. Please .. I'm looking into the same size, but a Carada screen with 1.4 gain.. I was told a 160" 2.35.1 was too big for my room size of 17' x 19'.

Thanks in advance.

HP stands for High Power made by Da-Lite screen company. I have their Model C 159 inch 2.8 gain HP 16:9 pull down screen. Screen is very smooth and has no seam. Unfortunately they don't make the 2.8 gain anymore but I hear the 2.4 is still really good. If you're wanting anything over 150 inches then you'll want a HP, otherwise you may find 3d and possibly 2d to dim. With my HP, 2D is very bright in high lamp mode so I run most movies on low lamp. For TV/Sports I use high lamp and man it looks great with my U-verse service. Games look outstanding and with the projector set to game mode I don't notice any lag. I just can't say enough about how great 3D looks on this projector. Its nice and bright with the HP.
Edited by plasmaowner - 2/11/13 at 1:14pm
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post #1317 of 1885
2/11/13 at 1:17pm
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Make sure "HDMI Control (RIHD)" on the Onkyo is set to OFF. Page 75 of your manual.
Make sure the "Control for HDMI" on the Sony is set to OFF. Page 60 of your manual.

I appreciate the response, but unfortunately this is more than a "disable CEC" problem... There is something dark occurring between the HW30 and the Onkyo... (I've provided more info in the 818 thread, didn't want to cross post it)... I'm really wondering if any HW50 owners also have the Onkyo 818 and see this problem.
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post #1318 of 1885
2/11/13 at 3:02pm
Got my spare lamp here from Sony Canada via the mail - in rebate form. Took about 3 weeks total from the time I mailed the form. Cheers.
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post #1319 of 1885
2/11/13 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Hey HW50 owners... Do any of you have Onkyo receivers?

I recently purchased an Onkyo TX-NR818 and have discovered it doesn't play well with my HW30. Since observing this problem, I've noticed it has been mentioned before. But unfortunately I didn't know that prior to purchasing....

I'm wondering if the HW50 and Onkyo receivers play well? Does anyone have this combination who can comment?

The problem is that the Sony projector will not turn on if the Onkyo is already powered on.

Thanks

I recently got a HW50 and I am recieving a TX-NR818 on Wednesday of this week. I will let you know if I can replicate this problem. I certainly hope not as I got a killer deal on the 818 from B&H and would absolutely hate to have to return it.
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post #1320 of 1885
2/12/13 at 4:38pm
I had a Onkyo 1009 with the HW-50 for about 3 weeks. They worked great together. Decided to go with a Pioneer 1522 instead.
Edited by eddiew - 2/12/13 at 4:58pm
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