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post #1411 of 3345
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Originally Posted by blipszyc View Post

15 Hours on the bulb and I'm starting to see some flickering when in Low Lamp mode. Switched to High for 1 min and then back to Low fixed it this past time. Did anyone talk to Sony about a long term fix? Or is this just the bulb breaking in?
I just passes the 600 hr mark on my sony. I have not seen even the hint of flicker. I have had flicker on a couple of my past panasonic projectors so i know what to look for. I am debating on changing the bulb with other free bulb i have. It is so bright however that i may wait until i get past the 1000 hr mark. I know when i had the panasonic pj i used to use high lamp mode for 10 or 20 hrs until the flicker was gone and i then went back to eco mode. I dont know if this works on the sony or not.
post #1412 of 3345
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

What about the performance of hw50es in an living room? (planning for watching at nights with 1.1 gain elite screen)

Watching at night with some ambient light on will not be a problem. Will you get the absolue best picture with some ambient light...no, but the Sony has enough Lumens to power through some light and provide a great picture. I am going to assume that if you are going to do critical watching at night you are going to try and make it as dark as possible....if so, it will provide a great picture.
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Originally Posted by dan webster View Post

I just passes the 600 hr mark on my sony. I have not seen even the hint of flicker. I have had flicker on a couple of my past panasonic projectors so i know what to look for. I am debating on changing the bulb with other free bulb i have. It is so bright however that i may wait until i get past the 1000 hr mark. I know when i had the panasonic pj i used to use high lamp mode for 10 or 20 hrs until the flicker was gone and i then went back to eco mode. I dont know if this works on the sony or not.

600 hours, nice, how long have you had the projector?
post #1414 of 3345
I was on the pre order list here at avs science. I got mine the end of october. this is the 11th projector i have owned. It will be the last one until 4k becomes affordable. I could not be happier with it, and i am very pickey.
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I just got my Sony ES50 and watching skyfall on apple TV. I noticed some choppy scenes with motion? Is this common?? I am using the denon 4520 with HDMI cables. Watching on a Zero edge 1.4 gain at approx 12 feet from screen on front row and 14 on back row. Have not had unit calibrated yet. Does this happen with apple TV a lot??

Also can someone explain Darbee Vision to me and how that would help with my Sony ES50
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Originally Posted by ttexxan1 View Post

I just got my Sony ES50 and watching skyfall on apple TV. I noticed some choppy scenes with motion? Is this common?? I am using the denon 4520 with HDMI cables. Watching on a Zero edge 1.4 gain at approx 12 feet from screen on front row and 14 on back row. Have not had unit calibrated yet. Does this happen with apple TV a lot??

Also can someone explain Darbee Vision to me and how that would help with my Sony ES50

Texan, you might be having the same problem I have with the Apple TV. I wrote it up in my blog:

http://www.xandable.com/post/43550127948/the-real-reason-for-the-apple-tv-3-2-stealth-update

Does that sound like what you're seeing?
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Originally Posted by ttexxan1 View Post

I just got my Sony ES50 and watching skyfall on apple TV. I noticed some choppy scenes with motion? Is this common?? I am using the denon 4520 with HDMI cables. Watching on a Zero edge 1.4 gain at approx 12 feet from screen on front row and 14 on back row. Have not had unit calibrated yet. Does this happen with apple TV a lot??

Also can someone explain Darbee Vision to me and how that would help with my Sony ES50
I watched Skyfall through my WDTV with no chopyness so perhaps it's a problem with the AppleTV.
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The sound is good just noticed the video stutter as stated in your blog on some scenes. Wasn't real bad just caught my eye. In my Sony projector 50es was set to high motion so maybe that has something to do with it. Still learning about all the settings and what does what.
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Not sure what the WDTV is??
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Originally Posted by Xank View Post

Texan, you might be having the same problem I have with the Apple TV. I wrote it up in my blog:

http://www.xandable.com/post/43550127948/the-real-reason-for-the-apple-tv-3-2-stealth-update

Does that sound like what you're seeing?

Interesting...

I had pretty severe jumping video with my HW30 and my Xbox (using it as a Media Center Extender as well has for some downlaoded shows). Turning off the HW30s film mode solved the problem. FWIW, there was no need for it as the Xbox was outputting 1080p. Also, I think setting the film mode to Auto 2 (rather than the default of Auto 1) would solve it.
post #1421 of 3345
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Originally Posted by ttexxan1 View Post

Not sure what the WDTV is??
It's a streamer. I have the Live Hub. http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=570
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Does that streamer work with the Apple TV? How would you watch bond movie? Where rent or buy from
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Also, for anyone with longer HDMI runs, I can confirm the Redmere 60ft slim cables (Monoprice PID 9173) work well between an Integra DHC-80.3 and the Sony HW50ES. I tested them briefly with both BDMV folder and BluRay iso before installation with no issues to report. I still need to check my Darbee Darblet with this length cable and will report back. I've seen mixed reviews in the Darbee thread on runs over 35 ft.

I was in need of an additional HDMI cable for my setup and ordered a 6ft. ultra slim Redmere HDMI cable from Monoprice. The cables diameter appears equivlalent to that of the charging cables included with an ipad or iphone. Very easy to maneuver and they add no stress onto the HDMI connectors of the equipment to which they are attached.

I replaced my low cost bargain outlet HDMI cable with the Redmere and was pretty much floored by the increase in picture quality. I don't know if my existing cable was just that bad, or the Redmere is just that good, but the difference was easilly apparent. It's also possile that the clarity and detail that the HW50ES provides with RC on enhances any differences that might exist between cables. Not looking to start a debate as to the merits of whether an HDMI cable should or shouldn't impact picture quality, I am just sharing my experience and YMMV. For the minimal cost involved it turned out to be a great tweak:).
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what is the best HDMI cables to buy to go from my Denon 4520 to Blue Ray and other devices. Want the best video possible
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Originally Posted by ttexxan1 View Post

what is the best HDMI cables to buy to go from my Denon 4520 to Blue Ray and other devices. Want the best video possible

What Blu-ray player do you have? from the Receiver to the Blu-ray that cable just handles the audio. The hdmi from the receiver to your projector would handle the video. From the 4520 to the Blu-ray player I'd get an audioquest Vodka since it has some silver. Then maybe an audioquest Cinnamin or chocolate for video. Just depends on your budget. I use an audioquest vodka from my Marantz AV8801 and Oppo 103. I use a monoprice redmere hdmi cable from my Marantz AV8801 to my Sony 50es. Some people just do monoprice for hdmi. A lot of people don't hear or see any difference with more expensive cables. Comes down to preference and your budget.
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Just set up the projector. I'm sure this is something super easy that I just can't find but how do you put the projector into Eco mode?
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Just set up the projector. I'm sure this is something super easy that I just can't find but how do you put the projector into Eco mode?
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Sorry a out that phone messed up and kept reposting
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Originally Posted by dbturbo2 View Post

I was in need of an additional HDMI cable for my setup and ordered a 6ft. ultra slim Redmere HDMI cable from Monoprice. The cables diameter appears equivlalent to that of the charging cables included with an ipad or iphone. Very easy to maneuver and they add no stress onto the HDMI connectors of the equipment to which they are attached.

I replaced my low cost bargain outlet HDMI cable with the Redmere and was pretty much floored by the increase in picture quality. I don't know if my existing cable was just that bad, or the Redmere is just that good, but the difference was easilly apparent. It's also possile that the clarity and detail that the HW50ES provides with RC on enhances any differences that might exist between cables. Not looking to start a debate as to the merits of whether an HDMI cable should or shouldn't impact picture quality, I am just sharing my experience and YMMV. For the minimal cost involved it turned out to be a great tweak:).

dbturbo2, can you describe what kind of picture quality differences you are seeing? Maybe you could take some photos of the same scene using the two different cables to illustrate the improvements side by side.
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Originally Posted by davidibecker View Post

Just set up the projector. I'm sure this is something super easy that I just can't find but how do you put the projector into Eco mode?

It's under Cinema Black Pro. There you can adjust the Iris and the Lamp mode.
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Awesome. Thank you. Also, covergance is good out of the box but the red can be loved down 5 click and right 2 clicks on panel covergance shift to make it nearly perfect. Does using the panel convergence shift have any negative effects? Should I use it or leave the setting off.
post #1432 of 3345
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Originally Posted by ttexxan1 View Post

Does that streamer work with the Apple TV? How would you watch bond movie? Where rent or buy from
I ripped the Blu-Ray to my NAS box and then used the WDTV Live to stream it from the NAS to the Projector. This would either replace or be an addition to your AppleTV, but it does not provide original content like iTunes does. The WDTV can also play Netflix, Vudu and some other services, but I only use it for streaming BD rips off my NAS.
post #1433 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Xank View Post

dbturbo2, can you describe what kind of picture quality differences you are seeing? Maybe you could take some photos of the same scene using the two different cables to illustrate the improvements side by side.

It appears like a slight haze or film was removed from the picture, resulting in better overall clarity. Picture appears to have more contrast, especially black items within normal scenes which are now more of an inky black.

Prior to the cable swap I had been playing around with the film projection mode's dark frame insertion. I really liked the additional contrast that the DFI appeared to provide. Ultimately after alot of back and forth comparisons I felt that the contrast gains weren't worth the tradeoffs in other areas so I turned DFI back off. Inserting the Redmere brought back some of the extra contrast that DFI provided, so much so that I was double checking to make sure I hadn't accidentally left DFI on.

If I get a chance this weekend I will try some back to back comparisons.

Dave
post #1434 of 3345
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Originally Posted by dbturbo2 View Post

It appears like a slight haze or film was removed from the picture, resulting in better overall clarity. Picture appears to have more contrast, especially black items within normal scenes which are now more of an inky black.

Prior to the cable swap I had been playing around with the film projection mode's dark frame insertion. I really liked the additional contrast that the DFI appeared to provide. Ultimately after alot of back and forth comparisons I felt that the contrast gains weren't worth the tradeoffs in other areas so I turned DFI back off. Inserting the Redmere brought back some of the extra contrast that DFI provided, so much so that I was double checking to make sure I hadn't accidentally left DFI on.

If I get a chance this weekend I will try some back to back comparisons.

Dave
Is it possible that hdmi cable make picture better, my logic and brain tells me no..........?
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Originally Posted by mjugen View Post

Is it possible that hdmi cable make picture better, my logic and brain tells me no..........?

TBH, the reason I asked dbturbo2 to elaborate is because I am skeptical of his claim, and I want to see if there are acutally observable differences in photos.

When an HDMI cable is flaky, the only visible effects you should see are white pixel snow or sparkles, or a complete loss of picture. And in fact, the white pixels are just loss of picture on the individual pixel level.

In order for the effects that dbturbo2 talks about to occur, the faulty cable would actually have to be intelligently "editing" all of the pixels in the image in a consistent fashion. And by that I mean like the cable is Photoshopping the image. In order for TV's and projectors to manipulate a characteristic like contrast, they rely on video processing chips. So if you're seeing an image that seems to have less contrast, that has to be algorithmically produced, and would not result from the kind of random bit errors a flaky cable would cause. Likewise, while a poor quality physical optical element like a lens or prism can result in haziness, in the digital world, you would need an algorithm to produce an effect that you might call "haziness". Think about it, in Photoshop, to blur an image, you can't just throw random bit flips into the picture. You have to use a blur algorithm that a human being designed to simulate an analog effect (the blur) via digital manipulations.

The bottom line is that errors in the analog domain (poor contrast, bad focus) are fundamentally different from errors in the digital domain (flipped or missing bits). The possibility of digital errors amounting to a recognizable analog error is like a monkey banging out Shakespeare on a typewriter. It might seem strange to call a fuzzy picture Shakespeare, but go try to write a digital blur algorithm and you'll see it's not something that would happen by chance.

Here's another way to think about it. When you listen to music that's being streamed over a network, does a flaky ethernet cable make the audio sound muddier, or mess with the treble and bass, or affect stereo separation? No. It can't, because the ethernet cable would have to know how to manipulate audio in order for that to occur. If there's a problem with the network cable, the audio stream might just stop. And the reason you don't hear hiccups due to bit or packet loss is because the TCP/IP protocol has retransmit and guaranteed in-order delivery. HDMI TMDS does not have retransmit and guaranteed delivery, which is why you get white sparkles. If it did, the only problem you'd ever see from a bad cable is complete loss of picture.

To the extent that people swear they see a difference between HDMI cables, I would frankly ascribe that to the placebo effect. I'd be fascinated to see evidence to the contrary though.
Edited by Xank - 3/1/13 at 4:15pm
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Has anyone done any full Grey field uniformity tests? I just started watching some old Twilight Zones on BluRay and now notice that the left of my screen is slightly pink in the last quarter of the screen?

With these discs I happened to notice that the I have bright corners. The pink shading does seem to be worse at start-up and get better as it warms up.


I am told we can adjust the shading out in the service menu, does anyone have a tutorial or guide I can look at, before I go down the swap out road?


I love the PJ otherwise, I am just a little disappointed in the light pink shading because now I see it.

Thanks,
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Originally Posted by tehotaone View Post

Has anyone done any full Grey field uniformity tests? I just started watching some old Twilight Zones on BluRay and now notice that the left of my screen is slightly pink in the last quarter of the screen?

With these discs I happened to notice that the I have bright corners. The pink shading does seem to be worse at start-up and get better as it warms up.


I am told we can adjust the shading out in the service menu, does anyone have a tutorial or guide I can look at, before I go down the swap out road?


I love the PJ otherwise, I am just a little disappointed in the light pink shading because now I see it.

Thanks,

Be sure to turn the color all the way down before making any judge ment sometimes even if its bw it may have some shading.
post #1438 of 3345
No it's there on XBOX dashboard... PS3 dashboard when displaying grey backgrounds. I am not picking up on moire etc..
It looks like a very mildy burnt polarizer in an older lcd...kinda.. if you know what I mean.
post #1439 of 3345
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Originally Posted by tehotaone View Post

No it's there on XBOX dashboard... PS3 dashboard when displaying grey backgrounds. I am not picking up on moire etc..
It looks like a very mildy burnt polarizer in an older lcd...kinda.. if you know what I mean.

O I know exactly what your talkng about. I am leary of sxrd myself for that very reason. My 50 is just perfect. I rember the rp sxrd days I must have returned 3 or 4 of those sets. It did not have to become a green blob for me.They would discolor in a few hrs and generaly stablize.

To redo all of that would be quite a chore. it has to be done for many different levels of brigghtness 8 or more I think maybe more and in grids. Very hard to do by eye. I guess some have done it. Might look over in the early pearl threads.
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Guys,

Random question,

My lens is starting to get extremely dusty, what would be the best way to clean it, and with what solution and material to wipe it with ?
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