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post #1741 of 3345
Did you check to see if your motherboard has a built-in HDMI out port? Maybe there's an onboard chipset that you can try while pulling out the Radeon.

Forgive me if this sounds dumb.. but yeah I've actually missed an onboard video chipset before, since I NEVER bother to use them and always get an external video card.

Also, for the drivers... don't just try upgrading to newer ones, try some of the older drivers. How about something in the 12.x series?

Regards,
post #1742 of 3345
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Are you using 8 bit or something higher?  I'd try 8 bit and see if that helps.  Your problem could also be a heat issue.  Most HDMI issues rear their ugly head right away and not after it has been running for a bit.  Heat in the HTPC could be affecting the HDMI board or capacitance causing problems.  It could also be heat in the projector if it is in an area that might get hotter after a while, like near a ceiling.

My only two options seem to be 16bit and 32bit (true color). 32bit is what the laptop is outputting with no issues (4 hours and counting!) Is 8bit something you can set when you create a custom EDID?

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Did you check to see if your motherboard has a built-in HDMI out port? Maybe there's an onboard chipset that you can try while pulling out the Radeon.

Forgive me if this sounds dumb.. but yeah I've actually missed an onboard video chipset before, since I NEVER bother to use them and always get an external video card.

Also, for the drivers... don't just try upgrading to newer ones, try some of the older drivers. How about something in the 12.x series?

Regards,

Suggestions are never dumb when trying to help. Unfortunately no onboard video, just audio. I hear you on the driver versions. Read that on many other forums. That will probably be the next thing after applying SP1 to the OS. I will go through a few of them before breaking down and just picking up a semi-cheap HTPC card (one good for movies, not games) before investing in a more expensive new all-around card.
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8 bit would be 24bit (8bit  x 3 colors = 24 bit), this is usually what is called True Color.  32 bit is True color with alpha transparency so 4 x 8.  That should be fine.

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Another general owners question around heat. I noticed that the input connections on the projector were quite hot. Granted, I just finished using it for 6 hours straight, but was not expecting it to be so hot to the touch. Do others notice that too?

I noticed when I disconnected the HDMI cable and the projector end was hot. Then I touched the other connectors on the projector (D-Sub, component, and HDMI panel) and they were all hot to the touch. Closer to the HDMI the hotter.

Just curious and suffering from new owner paranoia smile.gif


BobL - you gave me the idea when asking about heat in my HTPC. No heat issues or worries at all. Runs nice and cool. And the connector was barely warm. Nowhere near as hot as the projector connectors.
post #1745 of 3345
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Originally Posted by davidibecker View Post

Recently my Sony hw50 has began randomly losing sync with the source (directv genie) for a couple of seconds and the screen is going black and the it picks it back up and says hdmi 1 in upper left. The volume continues through my stereo. This is very very annoying. Anyone experienced this problem yet? Sometimes it does it repeatedly making viewing almost impossible. I've got 214 hours on the unit and it didn't start happening until maybe the 200 hour mark.

Does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this problem? I shutdown the projector and unplugged it and didn't experience it again last night after replugging it in and turning it back on. I also have a darbee in the chain that I unplugged while the projector was unplugged. Could it be an hdmi cable issue even though it worked fine for 200 hours (and about 50 with the darbee) before experiencing any issues??
post #1746 of 3345
During the black-out period, can you pull up the projector menu? In other words, if you hit menu does that stay black too? I know it is only a couple of seconds, but curious since it could be remotely related to what I am experiencing.

When I get a black-out it is like it blanks out that HDMI input. I cannot get a menu or anything showing. The projector still responds to all commands, so I am able to switch inputs, but for me the one input stays black until I unplug and re-plug.
post #1747 of 3345
When I had the problem, I wasn't able to bring up menus but the projector responded to commands.. Interestingly, I also have a plasma TV in the same room and if I connected to the TV with the same HDMI cable all as well. Swapped out the HDMI cable and then the projector worked ...

Literally a problem of the whole chain.. source/sink and cable are all variables that have an effect.

The fact that a disconnect/reconnect fixes it, indicates some sort of HDCP or handshake problem which can be caused by high error rates beyond what the HDMI chips are able to correct. A "better" cable can help such a device, whereas other devices (like my plasma) seem to have a stronger HDMI chip or a chip with a better algorithm for whatever is going on in that specific chain at the time.
post #1748 of 3345
Very likely it is a handshaking issue. Too bad the standards were not better adhered to by everyone. Especially considering the same cable from other sources works fine, now we have to worry about combinations! While A might work with B and C, but D needs E. And E may not work with B or A. All a bunch of B and S.
post #1749 of 3345
I got my HW-50 in yesterday. I still have a lot of work to do in my room but wanted to test it to ensure everything was okay. This is my first projector and I was blown away with it, even projected onto a tan wall with holes in it from my previously wall mounted display at like 150-160" it looked amazing.

Really interested in how it will look with a decent screen. Now I just need to force myself to put it away so I can get some work done on the room. rolleyes.gif
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Welcome to the HW50 club! Even if this was your second projector I think you would find it amazing. You are lucky to start with such an awesome looking projector. And it will feel like new again when you get a screen. Enjoy!
post #1751 of 3345
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Originally Posted by davidibecker View Post

Does anyone have any suggestions or experience with this problem? I shutdown the projector and unplugged it and didn't experience it again last night after replugging it in and turning it back on. I also have a darbee in the chain that I unplugged while the projector was unplugged. Could it be an hdmi cable issue even though it worked fine for 200 hours (and about 50 with the darbee) before experiencing any issues??

Yes it could be an HDMI issue, even though it worked fine for a while. You could have been on the edge between working and not working.
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post #1752 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I got my HW-50 in yesterday. I still have a lot of work to do in my room but wanted to test it to ensure everything was okay. This is my first projector and I was blown away with it, even projected onto a tan wall with holes in it from my previously wall mounted display at like 150-160" it looked amazing.

Really interested in how it will look with a decent screen. Now I just need to force myself to put it away so I can get some work done on the room. rolleyes.gif

That has been hard to do for many a theater builder. smile.gif Keep saying, must resist. smile.gif
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post #1753 of 3345
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

That has been hard to do for many a theater builder. smile.gif Keep saying, must resist. smile.gif

Isn't that the truth? I do need to watch at least one more movie and finalize my screen size though, and maybe I will be undecided. biggrin.gif
post #1754 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I got my HW-50 in yesterday. I still have a lot of work to do in my room but wanted to test it to ensure everything was okay. This is my first projector and I was blown away with it, even projected onto a tan wall with holes in it from my previously wall mounted display at like 150-160" it looked amazing.

Really interested in how it will look with a decent screen. Now I just need to force myself to put it away so I can get some work done on the room. rolleyes.gif


Congrats on the 50 man! That is a really nice projector! I have the 30 and I have been satisfied with mine almost a year now.
post #1755 of 3345
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Yes it could be an HDMI issue, even though it worked fine for a while. You could have been on the edge between working and not working.

Thanks for the advice guys. I have 2 hdmi cords currently. One is a 35 ft (?) I believe cord from monoprice and the other is a short one that came with the darbee. I assume it's probably the low quality cord that came with the darbee if this is the issue. I hope I'm right as of now I'm not planning to rerun the hdmi through the ceiling from projector to the source. However, I am going to be in the attic this weekend rerunning some power cables and cords for my new Seaton Sound speakers. Should I replace the long run hdmi cable too?
post #1756 of 3345
I am about to take the plunge on my first FP (Sony HW 50) and screen. I have a question on the dual HDMI inputs. I'm installing the projector on the ceiling of a dedicated media room (both HT and music). Since I only want to pull wire once, I was thinking of pulling 2 HDMI cables, leaving one as a spare. Am I being overly cautious, or do most people go this route?

I have also been reading several threads to get up to speed on my screen options. Before I started, I thought a screen was a screen as long as it was built with a decent level of quality. Now it seems as though it may be the most critical piece of the puzzle given my room situation.

My room is 10' x 19' with green walls (medium tint) and a very light green colored ceiling. I have 3 windows. There are 2 small windows on one of the long walls and a larger window on the 10' wall that will be behind the screen (a 16:9 aspect 106" diag. motorized screen is my preference - and the biggest that will fit). All of the windows have wood shutters that can block a lot of light but not all of it. At night, the room can be made very dark, but not during the day. Since I expect to use the projector 60% night / 40% day and I will also use the room for music listening. I really don't want to make the room into a 'bat cave' though. Of course, I do want good black levels and contrast even during the day. No one installs a projection system hoping for a washed out picture. My primary seating will be 13' from the screen. The projector placement is somewhat flexible, but I was thinking it should be about 13' from the screen to maximize brightness. Is there a screen that will provide a really good image in both this day and night environment? I've read about many different screen types, but am wondering what others' experience has been. I'm willing to spend extra for a product that really works with varying light conditions. Part of the challenge with this decision is the difficulty in finding decent showrooms to adequately compare products.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

Bob
post #1757 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Bob Barrett View Post

I am about to take the plunge on my first FP (Sony HW 50) and screen. I have a question on the dual HDMI inputs. I'm installing the projector on the ceiling of a dedicated media room (both HT and music). Since I only want to pull wire once, I was thinking of pulling 2 HDMI cables, leaving one as a spare. Am I being overly cautious, or do most people go this route?

I have also been reading several threads to get up to speed on my screen options. Before I started, I thought a screen was a screen as long as it was built with a decent level of quality. Now it seems as though it may be the most critical piece of the puzzle given my room situation.

My room is 10' x 19' with green walls (medium tint) and a very light green colored ceiling. I have 3 windows. There are 2 small windows on one of the long walls and a larger window on the 10' wall that will be behind the screen (a 16:9 aspect 106" diag. motorized screen is my preference - and the biggest that will fit). All of the windows have wood shutters that can block a lot of light but not all of it. At night, the room can be made very dark, but not during the day. Since I expect to use the projector 60% night / 40% day and I will also use the room for music listening. I really don't want to make the room into a 'bat cave' though. Of course, I do want good black levels and contrast even during the day. No one installs a projection system hoping for a washed out picture. My primary seating will be 13' from the screen. The projector placement is somewhat flexible, but I was thinking it should be about 13' from the screen to maximize brightness. Is there a screen that will provide a really good image in both this day and night environment? I've read about many different screen types, but am wondering what others' experience has been. I'm willing to spend extra for a product that really works with varying light conditions. Part of the challenge with this decision is the difficulty in finding decent showrooms to adequately compare products.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

Bob

I would run both, maybe even a 3rd as a string that way you can future proof it for your next projector.

I have a room with very big windows and while I did tint the windows and have some room darkning curtains up some light does come into the room on bright days. That being said, I don't have any issues watching TV from morning to night. I use a 114 Carada BW screen. It's a good screen that is priced decent.
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Originally Posted by Bob Barrett View Post

I am about to take the plunge on my first FP (Sony HW 50) and screen. I have a question on the dual HDMI inputs. I'm installing the projector on the ceiling of a dedicated media room (both HT and music). Since I only want to pull wire once, I was thinking of pulling 2 HDMI cables, leaving one as a spare. Am I being overly cautious, or do most people go this route?

I have also been reading several threads to get up to speed on my screen options. Before I started, I thought a screen was a screen as long as it was built with a decent level of quality. Now it seems as though it may be the most critical piece of the puzzle given my room situation.

My room is 10' x 19' with green walls (medium tint) and a very light green colored ceiling. I have 3 windows. There are 2 small windows on one of the long walls and a larger window on the 10' wall that will be behind the screen (a 16:9 aspect 106" diag. motorized screen is my preference - and the biggest that will fit). All of the windows have wood shutters that can block a lot of light but not all of it. At night, the room can be made very dark, but not during the day. Since I expect to use the projector 60% night / 40% day and I will also use the room for music listening. I really don't want to make the room into a 'bat cave' though. Of course, I do want good black levels and contrast even during the day. No one installs a projection system hoping for a washed out picture. My primary seating will be 13' from the screen. The projector placement is somewhat flexible, but I was thinking it should be about 13' from the screen to maximize brightness. Is there a screen that will provide a really good image in both this day and night environment? I've read about many different screen types, but am wondering what others' experience has been. I'm willing to spend extra for a product that really works with varying light conditions. Part of the challenge with this decision is the difficulty in finding decent showrooms to adequately compare products.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

Bob

I would pull two or three CAT6/CAT7 cables along with a couple HDMI cables, if you want to future proof your install.
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post #1759 of 3345

I'd run conduit if possible, if not at least a few Cat6 cables.

post #1760 of 3345
I will be receiving my HW50 tomorrow and this will be my second projector to own so I am little excited and paranoid about the upgrade. I have been checking in with this thread from time to to time and I noticed various issues reported on this projector and I was hoping you guys could give me a brief rundown of what to look for to make sure I have a good working unit. I have heard of buzzing noises in 3D, focus uniformity issues, etc... so I was wanting to know what tests I can run against the video to make sure I don't have anything wrong with the unit. I am sure many of the issues reported are rare but being my second projector purchase and a pretty big upgrade from what I have, I want to make sure I get it right.

Thanks in advance...


Greg
post #1761 of 3345
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

I will be receiving my HW50 tomorrow and this will be my second projector to own so I am little excited and paranoid about the upgrade. I have been checking in with this thread from time to to time and I noticed various issues reported on this projector and I was hoping you guys could give me a brief rundown of what to look for to make sure I have a good working unit. I have heard of buzzing noises in 3D, focus uniformity issues, etc... so I was wanting to know what tests I can run against the video to make sure I don't have anything wrong with the unit. I am sure many of the issues reported are rare but being my second projector purchase and a pretty big upgrade from what I have, I want to make sure I get it right.

Thanks in advance...


Greg

The best advice I can offer is, don't go looking for problems. If you look long and hard enough you will probably find some. smile.gif
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The best advice I can offer is, don't go looking for problems. If you look long and hard enough you will probably find some. smile.gif

Totally agree... If you look hard you will always find something to complain about but since I am a relative newbie and not a videophile, I just want to make sure nothing real bad goes unnoticed. I have a feeling that a lot of people who are either new to projectors or relatively new have issues and don't even know it and just accept things as apart of the technology. I am not talking about nitpicky type things but actual issues that shouldn't be there.
post #1763 of 3345
The HW50 is probably the best "out-of-the-box" PJ I have ever owned. There should be nothing wrong that isn't obvious. If you want to be comfortable, make sure to run both 2D and 3D through it and run through all the settings so you're aware of where they are and what's available. There's not much to touch initially so just plug it in and enjoy!
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

I will be receiving my HW50 tomorrow and this will be my second projector to own so I am little excited and paranoid about the upgrade. I have been checking in with this thread from time to to time and I noticed various issues reported on this projector and I was hoping you guys could give me a brief rundown of what to look for to make sure I have a good working unit. I have heard of buzzing noises in 3D, focus uniformity issues, etc... so I was wanting to know what tests I can run against the video to make sure I don't have anything wrong with the unit. I am sure many of the issues reported are rare but being my second projector purchase and a pretty big upgrade from what I have, I want to make sure I get it right.

I agree with the others, but I also know where you are coming from. The HW50 is my second projector and I plan on keeping it as long as it stays healthy. I cannot afford upgrades, so I too was very nervous about choosing the right projector and getting one without issues. Excitement was almost non-existent by the time it came to buying and setting it up - which was too bad frown.gif

Excitement level went way up once I fired it up and saw the images. So far I have been just running content direct from a blu-ray player to make sure everything is good. Clocked 30 hours so far without issues. Looking forward to just enjoying movies and games. The nerves have calmed down quite a bit and I am getting giddy again biggrin.gif

Tests that I ran to ease my nerves (all projector processing/features turned off - reality creation, motionflow, dynamic anything, reductions):

+ convergence pattern (1px white grid)
+ sharpness pattern (NEC b&w text) from my viewing distance - not perfect, but from viewing distance more than acceptable
+ some 3D content to make sure glasses work and can synch (and yes I get a bit of buzzing, like a high-pitch whine - but I think I can live with this based on what others have reported)
+ static full-screen color to test for dead or stuck pixels (black, white, blue, green, red)
+ video/film content for general motion/refresh rates
+ projector processing features that you are interested in to make sure they work as advertised - reality creation is pretty good, and I love that I have manual control over iris

Like others have said, do not look too close and enjoy if all looks good from your normal viewing distance. Welcome to the club!
Edited by karcs - 5/3/13 at 12:39pm
post #1765 of 3345
I tested 3D for about 30 minutes the other night on my new HW50 and even with the projector at most maybe 2 feet from my head I heard no buzzing. I even muted the audio explicitly to listen for the buzzing and couldn't hear anything. Maybe just got lucky? Not sure.

I love how quiet the HW50 is.
post #1766 of 3345
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Originally Posted by karcs View Post

I agree with the others, but I also know where you are coming from. The HW50 is my second projector and I plan on keeping it as long as it stays healthy. I cannot afford upgrades, so I too was very nervous about choosing the right projector and getting one without issues. Excitement was almost non-existent by the time it came to buying and setting it up - which was too bad frown.gif

Excitement level went way up once I fired it up and saw the images. So far I have been just running content direct from a blu-ray player to make sure everything is good. Clocked 30 hours so far without issues. Looking forward to just enjoying movies and games. The nerves have calmed down quite a bit and I am getting giddy again biggrin.gif

Tests that I ran to ease my nerves (all projector processing/features turned off - reality creation, motionflow, dynamic anything, reductions):

+ convergence pattern (1px grid) - Is the pattern built into the projector or is this something I need to acquire externally? And if so, what is a good reference? And last, what am I looking for?
+ sharpness pattern (NEC b&w text) from my viewing distance - not perfect, but from viewing distance more than acceptable - Same as above...
+ some 3D content to make sure glasses work and can synch (and yes I get a bit of buzzing, like a high-pitch whine - but I think I can live with this based on what others have reported) - self explanatory
+ static full-screen color to test for dead or stuck pixels (black, white, blue, green, red) - Built in or do I need to acquire the images?
+ video/film content for general motion/refresh rates - I think there are some test files around the Internet for this so I will check around.
+ projector processing features that you are interested in to make sure they work as advertised - reality creation is pretty good, and I love that I have manual control over iris - self explanatory

Like others have said, do not look too close and enjoy if all looks good from your normal viewing distance. Welcome to the club!

Thanks karcs! This is basically what I was looking for... now for a brief tutorial if you don't mind. I have added comments next to each bullet point that I need a little hand holding and clarification on since I am still trying to learn.
post #1767 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I tested 3D for about 30 minutes the other night on my new HW50 and even with the projector at most maybe 2 feet from my head I heard no buzzing. I even muted the audio explicitly to listen for the buzzing and couldn't hear anything. Maybe just got lucky? Not sure.

I love how quiet the HW50 is.

That was one of the features I was interested in as well so glad to hear it's holding true. The buzzing might be luck of the draw but maybe they fixed it on current releases. I will know soon...
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Originally Posted by Done Deal DR View Post

I tested 3D for about 30 minutes the other night on my new HW50 and even with the projector at most maybe 2 feet from my head I heard no buzzing. I even muted the audio explicitly to listen for the buzzing and couldn't hear anything. Maybe just got lucky? Not sure.

I love how quiet the HW50 is.

Agreed, I am still in awe over how quiet it is. Every once in a while I have to put my hand up to the exhaust to make sure it is actually blowing! In low lamp mode, I have to be 1 ft away to really hear it running. All the other little noises in the house are louder! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

Thanks karcs! This is basically what I was looking for... now for a brief tutorial if you don't mind. I have added comments next to each bullet point that I need a little hand holding and clarification on since I am still trying to learn.

No problems. None of the images/test patterns mentioned are built in. I had to feed it via laptop/htpc @1080p.

The pattern that it does come with is really only good to help set up the screen: aligning it perpendicular to your screen and shifting the lens to where you want it.

If you need help finding the patterns, PM me and I will send them, or at least provide links.
post #1770 of 3345
My serial number is in the 2000 range and I don't have any 3D buzzing to report. To qualify that, I am 29 years old and can hear ultrasonic frequencies (like a dog whistle) so I'm not some deaf old bat.

The only thing I would change about my setup is to get a high contrast grey screen to get a bit better black levels (currently have a 1.0 gain white screen).

Otherwise, this thing is awesome for my usage (3D movies and sports).
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