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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

I watched the same movie last night and thought it was really good . I was avoiding watching it after reading your comment actually . It had really great pop to the picture, unlike the latest Spiderman
which I find a little too dark. Maybe it was the adjustments I made prior to viewing not sure. Granted it was in the 2.35:1 format and I loose a lot of brightness on my CIH screen watching 3D in this format.
Normally most 3D is 16:9 and I don't loose any brightness having to spill the black bars off the screen. 16:9 ratio on my CIH screen is 95 inches diagonal, so a little less surface area to fill. Nevertheless
it was really good, the other 6 people really enjoyed the movie as well.

You missed my follow-up where I said I watched it again and thought it was good. My assumption was perhaps something with the lighting the first time.
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Originally Posted by madurodave View Post

You missed my follow-up where I said I watched it again and thought it was good. My assumption was perhaps something with the lighting the first time.
Yes, I did miss the follow up comment. At least we are on the same page
post #2763 of 3345
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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

I just spoke with a dealer who claims that dust inside the lens on these projectors is normal. Unless you can see it on the screen when you focus in and out then it is not affecting the PQ. Only DLP
projectors have a sealed chamber ....apparently .

I'd believe this. Every projector I've owned has had this (non)-issue.
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I found out another odd thing... it has to do with the internal test pattern, a normal one: (pic from the manual as i dont have a cam atm)


But mine, looks like this:


See the red line i draw?, in this case it's green like the rest of the pattern and so faint that i only noticed it because i was so close to the screen.
Also it was only visible when on game mode...

I checked convergence patterns and they were fine..

I tryed to flip the image horizontally and so it moved to the left side..

So what could be the cause of this? if it follows the flip, it's the image test itself thats wrong? confused.gif
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Originally Posted by leila80 View Post

I found out another odd thing... it has to do with the internal test pattern, a normal one: (pic from the manual as i dont have a cam atm)


But mine, looks like this:


See the red line i draw?, in this case it's green like the rest of the pattern and so faint that i only noticed it because i was so close to the screen.
Also it was only visible when on game mode...

I checked convergence patterns and they were fine..

I tryed to flip the image horizontally and so it moved to the left side..

So what could be the cause of this? if it follows the flip, it's the image test itself thats wrong? confused.gif

Question: Do you have panel alignment turned on with non-zero adjustments entered?
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Yes, but even turned off completely, same happens.
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Originally Posted by leila80 View Post

Yes, but even turned off completely, same happens.

OK. I've seen red lines turn up on test pattern when panel shift is active. Obviously this is not your culprit.

I wouldn't worry about it, if as you say you can only detect the anomaly when you're up close to the screen and with a test pattern at that. My advice would be to let it go and enjoy your projector.
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Yeah, with normal usage screen is perfect, but i do wonder why this happens, i guess it's not a panel problem, since it moves to the other side when flipped horizontally, so maybe it's the pattern image itself, that somehow was not perfectly made?
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Hey guys, just received my HW50ES from Amazon, but there's no spare lamp in the box. Amazon is clueless, Sony is clueless. Anyone been in this position?
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Hey guys, just received my HW50ES from Amazon, but there's no spare lamp in the box. Amazon is clueless, Sony is clueless. Anyone been in this position?

Lamp does not come in the box. Dealer usually ships the lamp at the same time as the projector. Did you get two tracking numbers? Did the dealer keep the lamp?
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Lamp does not come in the box. Dealer usually ships the lamp at the same time as the projector. Did you get two tracking numbers? Did the dealer keep the lamp?

Thanks, Mike. It's from Amazon (direct from them - they're an authorized dealer). Apparently, as you say, the lamp doesn't come in the box. Amazon has absolutely no clue about the spare lamp, and I only received one tracking number - the tracking number for the projector itself. I don't think Amazon intentionally kept the lamp. I just think they have no idea about it, since they "just sell the projector as it comes."

I called Sony, and gave them my serial number and a copy of the receipt, but they seemed to think it was Amazon's responsibility to send me a lamp, whereas Amazon thinks the opposite. Sony could make this easier for everyone by just including the lamp in the box! mad.gif

I'm supposed to hear back from Sony in the next few days, but I'm expecting more excuses at that point. frown.gif
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I am very pleased, my supplier managed to track me down a black version. Still sad that the NZ projector doesn't come with a second bulb. Anyone know the model number off the top of their head?

The last few times I have bought bulbs, I have bought them from ebay, about 60% off RRP and never really had any issues, is it likely the same with this projectors bulb? The bulb in the box is rated 3,000 hours right? Is that on Full Brightness or Economy.

How is the noise from this projector?
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LMP-H202 is the lamp
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Hey guys, I'm getting some conflicting data on the lens throw. Various sites have different info. Can I pull off a 120 inch screen with just a smidgen under 12 foot throw?
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Just got my extension tube and 30' HDMI Redmere cable. Ceiling mounted it, found out the joist I mounted it to is too far over to the right for lens shift to put the image back on screen, and also I've got a blinking image with that new Redmere cable... Disappointed. Tired

Just thought right now, a longer extension tube may be the quick fix. Because, I can shift down enough but not left enough, or I can shift left enough but not down enough... Does that make sense? The longer tube will leave me just having to shift left. Ugh, what a long day.
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Originally Posted by Tim Glover View Post

Hey guys, I'm getting some conflicting data on the lens throw. Various sites have different info. Can I pull off a 120 inch screen with just a smidgen under 12 foot throw?

Probably not. Should not work, but so close that it could.
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Ok thx Mike. I'm in the market for the new 55es but lens throw is an issue. Would like a nice electric screen but want the biggest I can get.

I'll be talking to you soon... smile.gif
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Another question:

Reality Creation seems pretty cool, but I find quite a significant amount of grain, even when set to just level 1 of 100 (the minimum). Are there any tips for minimizing grain while keeping Reality Creation on? It's quite amazing how much "sharper" the image is with it on, but that grain... man...!

I understand the grain will be source dependent, but e.g. Transformers 3 on Blu-ray, which has basically zero grain with Reality Creation set to off, suddenly becomes grain central with it turned on (I only increased the resolution setting, and left the other settings off).
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Another question:

Reality Creation seems pretty cool, but I find quite a significant amount of grain, even when set to just level 1 of 100 (the minimum). Are there any tips for minimizing grain while keeping Reality Creation on? It's quite amazing how much "sharper" the image is with it on, but that grain... man...!

I understand the grain will be source dependent, but e.g. Transformers 3 on Blu-ray, which has basically zero grain with Reality Creation set to off, suddenly becomes grain central with it turned on (I only increased the resolution setting, and left the other settings off).

you're a year late to the HW50 party...cool.gifbiggrin.gif

you can tweak some of the NR settings but for the high grain BD's, you may consider leaving the RC off and using the Darbee if you have one. Ideally they would have allowed for a lower minimum RC setting, I'm curious to see if there's any further RC adjustments on the HW55.

Do you still have the HW30?
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Originally Posted by roxiedog13 View Post

I just spoke with a dealer who claims that dust inside the lens on these projectors is normal. Unless you can see it on the screen when you focus in and out then it is not affecting the PQ. Only DLP
projectors have a sealed chamber ....apparently .


Is it really true that the HW50 has a non sealed light path? I thought dust blobs only affected LCDs from Epson .eek.gif
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

you're a year late to the HW50 party...cool.gifbiggrin.gif

you can tweak some of the NR settings but for the high grain BD's, you may consider leaving the RC off and using the Darbee if you have one. Ideally they would have allowed for a lower minimum RC setting, I'm curious to see if there's any further RC adjustments on the HW55.

Do you still have the HW30?

lol yeah I know I'm late. Gimme a break. biggrin.gif

I don't have the HW30 anymore, but I'd be more than happy to churn out some comparison thoughts between the HW30 and HW50, as I've already got some rolling in my mind right now. biggrin.gif

Is the Darbee considered more tunable and superior to the RC? I know very, very little about it...
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Originally Posted by CoreyS84 View Post

Just got my extension tube and 30' HDMI Redmere cable. Ceiling mounted it, found out the joist I mounted it to is too far over to the right for lens shift to put the image back on screen, and also I've got a blinking image with that new Redmere cable... Disappointed. Tired

Just thought right now, a longer extension tube may be the quick fix. Because, I can shift down enough but not left enough, or I can shift left enough but not down enough... Does that make sense? The longer tube will leave me just having to shift left. Ugh, what a long day.

Mount a board between two joists and mount the projector to that board. Try to keep it as centered as possible IMO.
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Woke up with a better functioning brain this morning, and decided this was the best course of action. All hope is not lost.
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Was she prettier too?
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So, with things in fresh in my mind, here are my initial thoughts of the HW50ES vs the HW30ES

The HW50ES is:

1.) Brighter than the HW30. The difference is very, very noticeable. It's absolutely blindingly bright on my 100" 1.0 gain AT screen on high lamp. It's still really bright on low lamp mode. I may even have to dig around in the service menu to lower the maximum aperture of the iris. 3D brightness is excellent (locked to high, of course) on a screen my size.

2.) More color uniform than the HW30. One of my biggest beefs with projectors is color uniformity, and having had absolutely no luck with numerous 3LCD projectors from Epson and Panasonic, SXRD is a relief in many ways in terms of uniformity. While not quite as uniform as the JVC X30/RS45 I had (which was nigh-on perfect), the 50ES I have now is very close. No obvious tinges to the image on a white screen. My 30ES was "close" to uniform, but some random patches of "green" around the screen were occasionally (and I mean very rarely) noticeable on bright scenes. It didn't affect skin tones, thankfully, but it was there. 99.9% of people would never notice, but I'm a uniformity junkie.. I'm sure there were better examples of HW30s out there.

3.) Sharper. The pixel makeup is very, very similar between the HW30 and the HW50, potentially even the same, with Reality Creation set to off. My HW30 was very uniformly sharp, and I'm happy to see my HW50 is very uniformly sharp, too. Panel alignment looked spot on, though it's nice that the HW50 has more control over this than the HW30.

4.) Sharper x2. The HW50's Reality Creation really is impressive, but even at its lowest level it brings out the existing grain in the picture and makes it more... grainy. This means, for newer digitally animated movies, Reality Creation is astonishing, but for regular movies with grain it can be a tad problematic. The problem is that with Reality Creation off it makes the image look comparatively soft/blurry. I'll have to play with it some more, but it would be great if Reality Creation allowed lower levels of tweaking. Even the minimum level is maybe a little too much....

5.) More convenient. The built-in 3D emitter is very, very useful, and it seems to have eliminated an issue I had with my Blu-ray player, a Sony BDP-S5100. The problem I was having was the player wasn't responding to remote inputs (either the original remote or my Harmony Ultimate) when I was watching 3D movies on the HW30 with Sony's external emitter. I think there was some IR interference going on. So far, this has not been an issue with the HW50 with the built-in emitter. Also, I had read about some buzzing with the HW50's initial run when watching 3D movies, but at any settings my HW50 does not buzz (I'm extremely sensitive to noise).

6.) Louder. Technically, the HW50 is maybe 1 db quieter than the HW30, but in my testing, things aren't quite so simple. My HW50 has a very slight murmuring/grinding from the fan. I sit fewer than 2 feet from my projector, so I notice sound very easily. My HW30 was just a tad quieter, but, much like the picture uniformity issues on my HW30, 99.9% of people won't notice. Thankfully, when you have any sound on, it's a non-issue.

7.) Better at 3D. This surprised me, somewhat. I'll qualify the statement, though. I was using the Playstation 3D glasses with my HW30, and now I'm using the Sony TDG-PJ1 that came with the projector. Not sure what it is, but I perceive less flicker with these glasses + HW50. Unfortunately I can't say if it's the projector difference, the glasses difference, the brightness difference etc. All I know is there's less flicker. Still not Panasonic 7000/8000/Epson 5020 good (in terms of flicker), but still... less is better. Ghosting appears similar with the HW30 vs the HW50. I found the best glasses setting to be level 3, since level 4 brought out some crosstalk in some harder scenes (my favorite being the silhouettes during the Transformers 3 end-credits scene). Level 3 reduces that ghosting to almost invisible. More testing needed, of course! I'll get around to testing my Playstation 3D glasses with the HW50 at some point.

8.) Contrast...ier! Things just seem to pop more on the HW50 vs the HW30. How much of that is due to the additional brightness? I cannot say. But it does appear to have more out-of-the-box contrast. The downside to this is that because there's so much more brightness, the dynamic iris tends to be a little more noticeable. Not objectionably so, but it's definitely there.

9.) Better at uniform blacks. My HW30ES had a brighter top-right corner to the image. Only really noticeable on very dark scenes or end credits etc, but it was there. My HW50ES has no noticeable bright corners, which is really a surprise, since I was expecting similar results to the HW30.

Overall, I like the HW50ES a lot so far. I think Reality Creation and the additional brightness are the biggest improvements, but the whole package is quite impressive.

Sorry for being a year late on these impressions. tongue.gif
Edited by WilliamG - 10/9/13 at 11:47am
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Additional note:

Disney's Tangled on Blu-ray + Reality Creation = fantastic. No grain (gotta love digital source!), but the perceived detail increase is just wonderful. Wifey stopped by while I was tinkering, and did a double-take at the difference between it on and off. Crazy stuff.
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Additional note:

Disney's Tangled on Blu-ray + Reality Creation = fantastic. No grain (gotta love digital source!), but the perceived detail increase is just wonderful. Wifey stopped by while I was tinkering, and did a double-take at the difference between it on and off. Crazy stuff.

I agree, I also thought the croods had an outstanding picture and my wife and I thought it was the best animated movie since probably Finding Nemo.

But, for the most part reality creation is a turn off for me, too many blu-rays just have too much grain and on the lowest level at 15 feet away it bothers me most of the time. I leave it off and turn my darbee up to about 50 instead. When I do have reality creation on I leave it at min and keep the darbee at about 30
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Good to know, thanks.

An additional thought about the HW50: I really do wish it were a quieter projector than it is. I know some people will berate me for talking nonsense, but I definitely can tell when it's on, in low-lamp mode with the fan on the slowest setting.

First, the fan is just a little "whirry" for my liking. It sort of reminds me of the sound of a reel rotating at a cinema... It's not a completely smooth air sound. Just a slight buzzing to it. And the pitch could be a tad lower...

Second, there's an obvious electrical buzzing coming from the front right of the projector (when looking at the lens). I immediately thought of the 3D buzzing people had complained about on earlier HW50s, but this is not that. I plugged in a 3D emitter I had from the HW30ES, and the sound persisted after an unplug/replug/reboot of the projector so it's nothing to do with that (and it's happening in 2D, so you'd think so anyway). Interestingly, as soon as I turn the projector off, as it's cooling down, that buzzing completely goes away leaving just the fan noise. I think it's just some sort of an electrical sound of the components while the projector is actually projecting. Nothing major at all, and if I sat further than 2 feet from my projector I likely wouldn't notice it. In any case, there's no question, to me at least, that the HW50ES is louder than the HW30ES I had.

None of these things are deal killers, but I figured it's worth mentioning to the really, really OCD of you out there. biggrin.gif

Now, bear very much in mind that I did these tests in an almost completely quiet room in the dead of night. With something ACTUALLY PLAYING, this is a non-issue. smile.gif I'm just outrageously sensitive to noise. Life will be easier (in some ways!) when I'm not in my 30s anymore. biggrin.gif
Edited by WilliamG - 10/10/13 at 12:49am
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Just found out that we are going to get some B-stocks. Call for details. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by WilliamG View Post

Good to know, thanks.

An additional thought about the HW50: I really do wish it were a quieter projector than it is. I know some people will berate me for talking nonsense, but I definitely can tell when it's on, in low-lamp mode with the fan on the slowest setting.

First, the fan is just a little "whirry" for my liking. It sort of reminds me of the sound of a reel rotating at a cinema... It's not a completely smooth air sound. Just a slight buzzing to it. And the pitch could be a tad lower...

Second, there's an obvious electrical buzzing coming from the front right of the projector (when looking at the lens). I immediately thought of the 3D buzzing people had complained about on earlier HW50s, but this is not that. I plugged in a 3D emitter I had from the HW30ES, and the sound persisted after an unplug/replug/reboot of the projector so it's nothing to do with that (and it's happening in 2D, so you'd think so anyway). Interestingly, as soon as I turn the projector off, as it's cooling down, that buzzing completely goes away leaving just the fan noise. I think it's just some sort of an electrical sound of the components while the projector is actually projecting. Nothing major at all, and if I sat further than 2 feet from my projector I likely wouldn't notice it. In any case, there's no question, to me at least, that the HW50ES is louder than the HW30ES I had.

None of these things are deal killers, but I figured it's worth mentioning to the really, really OCD of you out there. biggrin.gif

Now, bear very much in mind that I did these tests in an almost completely quiet room in the dead of night. With something ACTUALLY PLAYING, this is a non-issue. smile.gif I'm just outrageously sensitive to noise. Life will be easier (in some ways!) when I'm not in my 30s anymore. biggrin.gif

I guess since I have the sound up to house shaking levels I don't hear any noise from mine!

Nice and bright so far on my white walls!

I do see what everyone says about reflected light. I still don't want to paint the walls/ceiling black but may construct a "viewing box" area to get better contrast/less reflection in the immediate screen area.
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