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post #511 of 3345
Looking for help...

Please excuse me for my English as not being a native speaker.

I have a 100'' 1.0 gain white screen in my living room and the viewing distance is less than 3.6m (~12').
Projection distance is about 3.3m (~11'), a rather small living room. So the lens will be near its max wide angle if I choose HW50.

I'm coming from a 2008 Panasonic AX200, so it should be a big step up.
First considered between AE8000 and 5020. But after I read art's review on HW50, I was totally impressed by the RC, plus Sony can adjust pannel convergency -- which has been the biggest issue on my AX200 from the first day.

The online dealer promised me a very good price.

Now I really want this HW50, but am afraid of two things:
1. Will HW50's 2D be too much bright for a 100inch 1.0 gain screen, even with eco lamp mode?
2. Will HW50's 3D be not enough bright for a decent 3D viewing, with the same 1.0 gain 100inch screen?

Really appriciate your suggestion on the brightness isue. Thanks.

Jack
post #512 of 3345
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

thanks for your reply
On page 9 of the manual you posted as a link I can see 3 holes and the manual says these are 'Projector suspension support attaching holes'. I need to find out if they have riflings (I need that for sure), what type of riflings they are (m6, m7, m8 etc) and the exact distances from the 3 riflings

If the holes are still the same standard holes Sony use Im pretty sure the riflings are M5, and the distance between the 2 front holes are 163mm (center to center) , the third hole is located in the center of the two front holes and 150,6mm towards the back.
post #513 of 3345
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If the holes are still the same standard holes Sony use Im pretty sure the riflings are M5, and the distance between the 2 front holes are 163mm (center to center) , the third hole is located in the center of the two front holes and 150,6mm towards the back.

I've just fitted a Peerless PRG-UNV mount to my HW50. The M5 screws fit the mount points.
post #514 of 3345
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Originally Posted by dupin67 View Post

Looking for help...
Please excuse me for my English as not being a native speaker.
I have a 100'' 1.0 gain white screen in my living room and the viewing distance is less than 3.6m (~12').
Projection distance is about 3.3m (~11'), a rather small living room. So the lens will be near its max wide angle if I choose HW50.
I'm coming from a 2008 Panasonic AX200, so it should be a big step up.
First considered between AE8000 and 5020. But after I read art's review on HW50, I was totally impressed by the RC, plus Sony can adjust pannel convergency -- which has been the biggest issue on my AX200 from the first day.
The online dealer promised me a very good price.
Now I really want this HW50, but am afraid of two things:
1. Will HW50's 2D be too much bright for a 100inch 1.0 gain screen, even with eco lamp mode?
2. Will HW50's 3D be not enough bright for a decent 3D viewing, with the same 1.0 gain 100inch screen?
Really appriciate your suggestion on the brightness isue. Thanks.
Jack

Hi I have had my HW50 for just on 3 days now and am very impressed. Like you it was a big jump from an older 720p projector. I've upgraded from a 100" to 120" 1.1 gain screen and sit approx 14" from screen. Eco mode is nice and bright but I wouldn't say overly bright. And 3D is not as bright due to the glasses., but I wouldn't describe it as being dark or dull - still plenty of 'pop' to be had!! I think you should be fine. The RC is quite impressive. The image looks great with it off, but when you turn it on you would swear the earlier Image must've been out of focus!

Have you also tried the projector calculator on www.projectorcentral.com. You set it up with the dimensions of your room /screen etc and it will indicate if the selected projector is too bright, just right or too dark for the room setup.

Good luck with your purchase decision...by the way have you got a price from AVS, they can have some good deals!

Ps no need to apologise for your English, it is very good!
post #515 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Projector Lad View Post

Hi I have had my HW50 for just on 3 days now and am very impressed. Like you it was a big jump from an older 720p projector. I've upgraded from a 100" to 120" 1.1 gain screen and sit approx 14" from screen. Eco mode is nice and bright but I wouldn't say overly bright. And 3D is not as bright due to the glasses., but I wouldn't describe it as being dark or dull - still plenty of 'pop' to be had!! I think you should be fine. The RC is quite impressive. The image looks great with it off, but when you turn it on you would swear the earlier Image must've been out of focus!
Have you also tried the projector calculator on www.projectorcentral.com. You set it up with the dimensions of your room /screen etc and it will indicate if the selected projector is too bright, just right or too dark for the room setup.
Good luck with your purchase decision...by the way have you got a price from AVS, they can have some good deals!
Ps no need to apologise for your English, it is very good!

Thanks very much Projector Lad!

Good to know 3D is still plenty of 'pop'.

I tried the calculator from projetorcentral, and below is the result:

It said "Recommended image brightness for rooms with ambient light". So it should be too bright. -- I think I may play with the iris setting to pull down the brightness if needed. Saw somewhere in this thread that HW50 can limit the max iris while still keep the DI functionality?

Jack
post #516 of 3345
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Originally Posted by dupin67 View Post

Thanks very much Projector Lad!
Good to know 3D is still plenty of 'pop'.
I tried the calculator from projetorcentral, and below is the result:

It said "Recommended image brightness for rooms with ambient light". So it should be too bright. -- I think I may play with the iris setting to pull down the brightness if needed. Saw somewhere in this thread that HW50 can limit the max iris while still keep the DI functionality?
Jack

You certainly can. The service menu iris adjustment can be thought of as a "bracket" of iris open and iris close. You can widen the bracket, make it thinner, or just keep the width and move the whole thing up or down.

-Major analogies going on, but that's the general idea.
post #517 of 3345
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Originally Posted by dupin67 View Post

It said "Recommended image brightness for rooms with ambient light". So it should be too bright. -- I think I may play with the iris setting to pull down the brightness if needed. Saw somewhere in this thread that HW50 can limit the max iris while still keep the DI functionality?
Jack

correct, there is a setting for 'automatic iris - limited' which turns down the peak brightness but still maintains the auto iris function. This is likely adjustable in the service menu.
post #518 of 3345
I asked Sony (via an online support chat) whether they have the RS232 protocol interface manual for the Sony VPL-HW50ES. The support person couldn't find it in their database. Does anyone have this document already? I have the RS232 protocol interface documents for the VPL-VW95ES and VPL-HW30ES, and the RS232 commands look the same between the two projectors (based on briefly glancing the document). So, I'm wondering if the commands would also be basically the same as the commands for the VPL-HW50ES.

Also, for universal remote usage, would the discrete infrared commands (power on/off, inputs, etc.) for the VPL-HW50ES be the same as the VPL-VW95ES and VPL-HW30ES?

Thanks.
post #519 of 3345
Quote:
Originally Posted by dupin67 View Post

Looking for help...
Please excuse me for my English as not being a native speaker.
I have a 100'' 1.0 gain white screen in my living room and the viewing distance is less than 3.6m (~12').
Projection distance is about 3.3m (~11'), a rather small living room. So the lens will be near its max wide angle if I choose HW50.
I'm coming from a 2008 Panasonic AX200, so it should be a big step up.
First considered between AE8000 and 5020. But after I read art's review on HW50, I was totally impressed by the RC, plus Sony can adjust pannel convergency -- which has been the biggest issue on my AX200 from the first day.
The online dealer promised me a very good price.
Now I really want this HW50, but am afraid of two things:
1. Will HW50's 2D be too much bright for a 100inch 1.0 gain screen, even with eco lamp mode?
2. Will HW50's 3D be not enough bright for a decent 3D viewing, with the same 1.0 gain 100inch screen?
Really appriciate your suggestion on the brightness isue. Thanks.
Jack

I have the HW30, so I don't know about #1 with the HW50, but I don't have an issue with decent brightness on 3D on the same sized screen and near min throw distance. Remember the 3D modes kick the bulb into in high brightness and they also use the bulb brightness modulation. Granted I have mine setup in dedicated room with little ambient light, but after 300hrs my 3D is still very watchable.

But I would also caution against using the panel convergence feature. Sure it may make text on screen appear sharper but those features also have an effect on overall resolution of the image. Before you use them I would view it at normal distance and see if the convergence really affects what you can see from your seating position. When you use the convergence feature you are essentially adding additional processing to the image.
post #520 of 3345
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Originally Posted by randman View Post

I asked Sony (via an online support chat) whether they have the RS232 protocol interface manual for the Sony VPL-HW50ES. The support person couldn't find it in their database. Does anyone have this document already? I have the RS232 protocol interface documents for the VPL-VW95ES and VPL-HW30ES, and the RS232 commands look the same between the two projectors (based on briefly glancing the document). So, I'm wondering if the commands would also be basically the same as the commands for the VPL-HW50ES.
Also, for universal remote usage, would the discrete infrared commands (power on/off, inputs, etc.) for the VPL-HW50ES be the same as the VPL-VW95ES and VPL-HW30ES?
Thanks.

I emailed Sony Install support and they sent me the protocol manual (so they know more than the online chat support).
post #521 of 3345
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Originally Posted by cbaseuser View Post

You certainly can. The service menu iris adjustment can be thought of as a "bracket" of iris open and iris close. You can widen the bracket, make it thinner, or just keep the width and move the whole thing up or down.
-Major analogies going on, but that's the general idea.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

correct, there is a setting for 'automatic iris - limited' which turns down the peak brightness but still maintains the auto iris function. This is likely adjustable in the service menu.

Thanks cbaseuser and zombie! Seems both ways will work.
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Originally Posted by Toknowshita View Post

I have the HW30, so I don't know about #1 with the HW50, but I don't have an issue with decent brightness on 3D on the same sized screen and near min throw distance. Remember the 3D modes kick the bulb into in high brightness and they also use the bulb brightness modulation. Granted I have mine setup in dedicated room with little ambient light, but after 300hrs my 3D is still very watchable.
But I would also caution against using the panel convergence feature. Sure it may make text on screen appear sharper but those features also have an effect on overall resolution of the image. Before you use them I would view it at normal distance and see if the convergence really affects what you can see from your seating position. When you use the convergence feature you are essentially adding additional processing to the image.

Thanks Toknowshita! I will keep in mind your concern on panel convergency feature.

I have already ordered one HW50 yesterday night.
The dealer told me all 5 of first batch went out "in a blink of an eye", so next Monday when the second batch arrives, he will send one to me.

Now another thing begins to bother me.
I've read about the Buzzing sound from this thread. I am worried so I asked one of the first few owners of HW50 in local forum to let him have a check on his machine.
I had hoped that since customers in China often get new products released a few weeks or months later than US/Europe/Japan (like iPhone, iPad, and almost every model of HT projectors), this time it may be good that Sony may have fixed the issue.
Unfortunately the buzzing is still there.
And I doubt that Sony China will be kind enough to give HW50 buyers the external transmitter as a workaround.
And it's no where to buy - Sony China website does not have HW50 listed. No HT models at all.

- So, does someone know how to use service menu to turn down internal IR transmitter power (also read from this thread), as an alternative solution?

Jack
post #522 of 3345
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Originally Posted by dupin67 View Post

- So, does someone know how to use service menu to turn down internal IR transmitter power (also read from this thread), as an alternative solution?
Jack

I have no HW50 but read in another forum that the buzzing sound can be reduced by turning down the IR transmitter power like the following:

Enter the service menu with enter-enter-left-enter
Under Device/Other/21 "3D Sync Transmitter Strength" change the setting to 1.

As said I haven't tried it myself and you do this at your own risk.
post #523 of 3345
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Originally Posted by Leiser View Post

I have no HW50 but read in another forum that the buzzing sound can be reduced by turning down the IR transmitter power like the following:
Enter the service menu with enter-enter-left-enter
Under Device/Other/21 "3D Sync Transmitter Strength" change the setting to 1.
As said I haven't tried it myself and you do this at your own risk.

Many thanks for this information!
I won't be having my HW50 until next Wed. So I will post this method on local forum, see whether some earlier owner may wish to try out.

Jack
post #524 of 3345
Is there no news/ETA yet on when the buzzing sound will be fixed? Since there is no ability to update the firmware (IIRC), it doesn't really make sense to buy this projector until that's been fixed, right?

Also: the "get 1 free additional lamp" thing is a U.S.-only thing, I think?

Finally: Sony Belgium still lists the VPL-HW30ES as the latest one, so where can I find what the Belgian/European release date is?
post #525 of 3345
My cousins HW50 black arrived last night and we have some questions about it:

Cinema Black Pro
Is it correct that if you want the best black levels in dedicated 100% darkened pitch black bat cave our best option to choose is automatic iris - Limited? If so, we ve also read something about adjusting the iris behaviour is this setting. How does this exactly work?

Motion Flow
What does Film Projector mode exactly do?

Contrast Enhancer
Do you guys use this option? What good and what bad does this option do to the picture?


Preparing for ISF calibration
(we want to prepare the HW50 for a calibration which we our going to do ourselves (when our Chromapure calibration kit arrives next week) and have some questions about this)


1. Brightness and Contrast
We ve already 'calibrated' these on the correct values with the AVS709 calibration disc.

2. Calibr.Preset
I assume to put this on User?

3.Color Temp
Custom 3 (D65) and calibrate this further with our Chromapure calibration kit?

4. Gamma Correction
What s the OFF setting do? Is that variable gamma or something like that? And what is is recommended for dark black bat cave? Off, 2.4 or 2.6?

5. Color Space
I assume choose BT709 here?

6. RPC
User 1 and calibrate it with Chromapure kit?

EDIT:
Additional info: we only play Blu-Ray discs. No TV, sports or gaming.
Edited by sanderdvd - 11/17/12 at 2:59am
post #526 of 3345
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

My cousins HW50 black arrived last night and we have some questions about it:
Cinema Black Pro

Is it correct that if you want the best black levels in dedicated 100% darkened pitch black bat cave our best option to choose is automatic iris - Limited? If so, we ve also read something about adjusting the iris behaviour is this setting. How does this exactly work?

The auto limited closes the iris even at peak brightness for better contrast. Then it dynamically changes based on the content. I don't recall seeing any way to change the iris in this mode. I believe we would need to go into the service menu for tweaking this setting.

Motion Flow

What does Film Projector mode exactly do?

This is what the manual states, I didn't change this setting from default. I'm not 100% certain what this does.

Film Projection
Reproduces an image similar to that of projected film.
Use this setting as preferred, based on the image content.
On: Reduces afterimage.
Off: The reduction effect of afterimage is less than the “On” setting. The
picture will become brighter


Contrast Enhancer

Do you guys use this option? What good and what bad does this option do to the picture?

I use this in LOW setting. The control is dynamic and is supposed to create a better perception of contrast depending on the scene. This is subjective, but I like the setting in it's low mode.

Preparing for ISF calibration

(we want to prepare the HW50 for a calibration which we our going to do ourselves (when our Chromapure calibration kit arrives next week) and have some questions about this)


1. Brightness and Contrast
We ve already 'calibrated' these on the correct values with the AVS709 calibration disc.

2. Calibr.Preset
I assume to put this on User?

correct, I used 'user' when calibrating the HW50.

3.Color Temp
Custom 3 (D65) and calibrate this further with our Chromapure calibration kit?

In 2D, custom 3 is the closest to D65 that allows calibration with the meter. When in USER mode and the projector switches to 3D mode, you cannot use the same custom color mode (setting will get changed) so I switched to custom 4 in 3D mode and made changes from there (with the glasses in front of the meter).

Also, the HW50 I have was very strong on blue out of the box (~140% v) and had to pull it down a bit to get it to D65. After 50 hours, the blue dropped considerably and had to re-adjust. Keep an eye on this when the lamp is new and then @ 50 hours to see how this compares.


4. Gamma Correction
What s the OFF setting do? Is that variable gamma or something like that? And what is is recommended for dark black bat cave? Off, 2.4 or 2.6?

On the HW30, Gamma = OFF was very close to 2.2. On the HW50, Gamma = 2.2 is very close to 2.2. Try it and see what you measure on the meter. I'd like to see how consistent the 2.2 setting is across different samples of the HW50.

edit: I think 2.4 would be max, 2.6 is outside the ability of this projectors dynamic range. Try and experiment to see if you lose too much shadow detail.


5. Color Space
I assume choose BT709 here?

Correct, this is pretty close out of the box but had to tweak blue, cyan and yellow on mine.

6. RPC
User 1 and calibrate it with Chromapure kit?

Correct. Don't expect perfection, if a color is low in saturation you can't add it back in. This isn't a big deal, it's still very close. The eyes will never perceive such small delta's.

EDIT:
Additional info: we only play Blu-Ray discs. No TV, sports or gaming.

adding info to sanderdvd's questions
Edited by zombie10k - 11/17/12 at 7:27am
post #527 of 3345
thanks for your reply Zombie.
Quote:
The auto limited closes the iris even at peak brightness for better contrast. Then it dynamically changes based on the content.
So what do you recommend for a pitch black totally darkened bat cave? Auto - Limited?
Quote:
This is what the manual states, I didn't change this setting from default. I'm not 100% certain what this does.

Film Projection
Reproduces an image similar to that of projected film.
Use this setting as preferred, based on the image content.
On: Reduces afterimage.
Off: The reduction effect of afterimage is less than the “On” setting. The
picture will become brighter
On the AV forum they just told me this is dark frame insertion.
Quote:
When in USER mode and the projector switches to 3D mode, you cannot use the same custom color mode (setting will get changed) so I switched to custom 4 in 3D mode and made changes from there (with the glasses in front of the meter).
usefull information here!
Quote:
Also, the HW50 I have was very strong on blue out of the box (~140% v) and had to pull it down a bit to get it to D65. After 50 hours, the blue dropped considerably and had to re-adjust. Keep an eye on this when the lamp is new and then @ 50 hours to see how this compares.
I m new with home calibration with Chromapure so I will do a lot of calibrations to learn in the beginning. I ll report here from time to time.
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I use this in LOW setting. The control is dynamic and is supposed to create a better perception of contrast depending on the scene. This is subjective, but I like the setting in it's low mode.
I ll try the different modes myself but was actually looking for the technical explanation what actually happens but I think only Sony knows this smile.gif
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I think 2.4 would be max, 2.6 is outside the ability of this projectors dynamic range. Try and experiment to see if you lose too much shadow detail.
Like I said I m new with Chromapure so I will run some tests with the gamma settings as soon as my calibration kit arrives next week. Is 2.4 for my pitch black bat cave a good starting point?
post #528 of 3345
I didn't get mine with my projector either not getting any help from sony at all. Has anyone found a solution to not getting the Sony Bonus bulb with the projector?
post #529 of 3345
I need an HDMI cable with length between 30 to 35 feet. I was thinking of getting the Monoprice Redmere Ultra Slim cable. The cable has gotten great reviews. However, someone's reviews in
the cable's review page itself specifically complained about the cable not working with the VPL-HW50ES. Does anyone have any good recommendations for an HDMI cable this long? Obviously, a high speed cable that can handle 1080p and 3D is a minimum. Ideally, one that can meet the latest specs (also, preferably one that can handle 4K if and when it ever comes about, so I wouldn't have to switch cables in the future).

Thanks.
post #530 of 3345
I purchase a lot of my cables from BlueJeansCable and sometimes from MonoPrice. A lot of people seem to like bluejeans. They are knowledgeable and if not compatible one can easily return.
post #531 of 3345
Does anyone have this projector paired with a Denon AVR-4520CI? After about three days of normal operation with no issues I'm starting to have video issues with this receiver. I can connect source devices directly to the projector and it operates perfectly. When connected to the receiver the video is starts to flicker, show snow, and it gets worse over time until the video goes out completely.

I'm wondering if this is a handshaking issue (I've never experienced this, so not sure what to expect) or if the HDMI board on the Denon is going out.

Any help would be appreciated.
post #532 of 3345
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Originally Posted by audiohobbit View Post

And I ask again: Has anyone here a lamp flickering issue in Ecomode?
Yes, same problem here. Did your lamp already settled or did you have it replaced by Sony (lamp or unit?)?
post #533 of 3345
more info on the lamp flickering:

Switching to high lamp mode solves the flickering. After switching bavck to low lamp mode the flickering re-appears after a few minutes.
post #534 of 3345
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

more info on the lamp flickering:
Switching to high lamp mode solves the flickering. After switching bavck to low lamp mode the flickering re-appears after a few minutes.

With other projectors I have owned, switching to high lamp would resolve the flickering, but only if allowed to run a good 30-40 hours (not continuously wink.gif) then drop back to low lamp. The issue then is that you get used to the higher brightness and find low lamp looks a bit dim. rolleyes.gif If you have an iris control to match the lumens in high lamp and low lamp, then this isn't such a problem. I've had it with Panasonic twice and JVC once so not limited to Sony projectors by any means.
post #535 of 3345
Sorry to beat a dead horse here but has Sony sent anyone their free bulb yet?
post #536 of 3345
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

more info on the lamp flickering:
Switching to high lamp mode solves the flickering. After switching bavck to low lamp mode the flickering re-appears after a few minutes.

How long did you rung it in high lamp mode? I had the same issue with an RS2 and I thought my lamp was going bad. I changed it to high lamp for a few minutes and then back to low lamp and the issue still existed. I then looked online and saw others posted that flickering can happen depending on the characteristics of the lamp and that this is normal. Putting the lamp in high mode for a week or two and then back resolved others issues. In my case I simply watched a 2 hour movie and then changed it back and never saw the issue again in the next 200-300 hours that I owned the projector in a years time.
post #537 of 3345
Eventually the lamp will settle down. I had 3 vw95's an they all did this when the lamp was relatively new.
post #538 of 3345
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Eventually the lamp will settle down. I had 3 vw95's an they all did this when the lamp was relatively new.
ok, thanks for the heads up
post #539 of 3345
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Eventually the lamp will settle down. I had 3 vw95's an they all did this when the lamp was relatively new.

My HW30 had a flickering bulb that ran only on normal lamp from the time I pulled it out of the box. It would flicker if you tried calibrating the unit by messing with brightness and contrast settings. To fix it I did the opposite and ran it in high bulb mode for a couple days and it never again did it afterwards.

On my HW50 I broke the first 20 hours in high lamp mode and then switched it to normal. No issues thus far.
post #540 of 3345
Hi guys

Just got my HW50 yesterday - it's a fantastic projector, really pleased with it. Focus and uniformity are great across the screen and with RC its amazingly sharp (keeping it at 20 as recommended). Both I and my girlfriend immediately noticed the difference from my Sanyo Z3000 which has given great service for three years.

A couple of things for those interested:

1. I have the high pitched buzzing in 3D - however it's pretty quiet and having watched Prometheus I didn't hear the buzzing once during the film (sat 3 feet away). However sat to the left it's a little louder. Definitely louder when glasses brightness set to 4 (I had it on 2 for the film). I really doubt you'd notice it in general during film watching.

2. The motionflow is great set to low - high looks unnatural. A little strangely though changing motionflow from low to high while in 3D doesn't seem to make any difference - it feels like it's on high all the time. Turning it off definitely makes a difference of course. Maybe I've not set a parameter properly but as it stands the interpolation which is so subtle in 2D feels a little overcooked in 3D. Any suggestions?

Cheers
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