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post #781 of 2039
12/18/12 at 1:40pm
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Thanks for the reply Zombie. Could you elaborate a little more on the "custom cable" option? What exactly does each end look like? Would I still need a power supply for the transmitter if I go this route? I was hoping to be able to power the MV3D transmitter from the projector (the same as I would the Sony external IR emitter). Is this even possible? Currently, I only have one 12V plug available for the projector and that's actually a recessed pro powerkit from Monoprice.

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post #782 of 2039
12/18/12 at 3:45pm
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Thanks for the reply Zombie. Could you elaborate a little more on the "custom cable" option? What exactly does each end look like? Would I still need a power supply for the transmitter if I go this route? I was hoping to be able to power the MV3D transmitter from the projector (the same as I would the Sony external IR emitter). Is this even possible? Currently, I only have one 12V plug available for the projector and that's actually a recessed pro powerkit from Monoprice.

the custom cable for the MV3D transmitter -> HW50 isn't a quick fix. It's a custom cable that someone on the UK AV forums came up with, you may have to search around the internet for more info since it's been a long time since it's been discussed (the older HW30 is the same connection)

You can't power the MV3D transmitter from the projector, it needs a separate power source (blackberry USB charger works).

ideally you would point the IR receiver of the MV3D device to the IR transmitter of the Sony (either built in or external module)

If this sounds like a pain to set up in your particular environment, it might be best to stick with the Sony IR glasses and 3rd part IR glasses like the Xpand 104's which work fine with the Sony.
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post #783 of 2039
12/18/12 at 5:16pm
Hi Zombie

Re. My previous post about ghosting, I've had more time to play with the 3D tonight. Setting glasses brightness to minimum helped greatly with dark scenes, but increased some ghosting in brighter scenes. So for example the scene in Puss In Boots where they're floating in the clouds next to the beanstalk shows quite a bit of ghosting around the beanstalk at the lower brightness settings whereas it's practically ghost free at 'max', whereas the lanterns scene in Tangled looks much better at 'min' with greatly reduced double images of the many lanterns. At least to my eyes!

I guess that as with the depth control these settings help certain scenes and hinder others.
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post #784 of 2039
12/19/12 at 2:31am
I m not bothered by the ghosting of the HW50 at all at max glasses setting. The thing that bothers me the most is the flickering. It is not that it is THAT perceptive but after watching a 3D movie I just get nauseous. I know that you can solve this by getting a SIM2 3D-S with tripple flash (72Hz per eye!) technology but that projector will cost 40K smile.gif. Does the Epson cause no nauseousty because of their 3:2 pulldown (60Hz/eye?) technique used in 3D?
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post #785 of 2039
12/19/12 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

I m not bothered by the ghosting of the HW50 at all at max glasses setting. The thing that bothers me the most is the flickering. It is not that it is THAT perceptive but after watching a 3D movie I just get nauseous. I know that you can solve this by getting a SIM2 3D-S with tripple flash (72Hz per eye!) technology but that projector will cost 40K smile.gif. Does the Epson cause no nauseousty because of their 3:2 pulldown (60Hz/eye?) technique used in 3D?
what is flickiring issue, can you please give some extra information? sorry for my english
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post #786 of 2039
12/19/12 at 2:51am
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what is flickiring issue, can you please give some extra information? sorry for my english
Google 3D flicker please. 100000000 hits.......
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post #787 of 2039
12/19/12 at 6:18am
See if you find any of the frame interpolation modes to help with the flicker. I find I will use low as a minimum and high for any CG movies in 3D. I don't use it nearly that much in 2D.
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post #788 of 2039
12/19/12 at 9:46pm
I am interested in this projector but want to use an anamorphic lens with it. I have heard it will not do vertical stretch in 3D. Is that true? I know the Oppo 93 and 103 do vertical stretch but am unsure if it works in 3D also. Has anyone tried this.
Thanks in advance
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post #789 of 2039
12/19/12 at 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by JOE-C View Post

I am interested in this projector but want to use an anamorphic lens with it. I have heard it will not do vertical stretch in 3D. Is that true? I know the Oppo 93 and 103 do vertical stretch but am unsure if it works in 3D also. Has anyone tried this.
Thanks in advance

I am pleased to confirm that the Sony IS very anamorphic lens friendly. It does a vertical stretch and can be left in this mode for 3d too though I've not checked yet as to whether and how it affects the quality of 3d material. 3d material is almost always in 16:9 format.

The pj also has a 'blanking' feature akin to the Jvc's over masking which allows you to trim edges of the picture to mask off any pincushion.

Hope the above helps.
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post #790 of 2039
12/20/12 at 3:46am
Another review:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/projectors/projectors-reviews/sony-vpl-hw50es-projector.html

"The VPL-HW50ES floated a bit under the radar at CEDIA, with 4K being the hot word and not having a real hot feature to latch onto. Having used it for an extended time with a lot of content, I can say it has left me incredibly impressed. Of the projectors that I have reviewed in 2012, I'm going to go ahead and put the 50ES at the top of the list as the one that I want to keep in my theater.

It delivers a fantastic image that has very good native contrast, a dynamic iris that works invisibly, and calibration results that are superb. The amount of light that it puts out really sets it apart, allowing you to use a much larger screen than before, and enjoy 3D films that would not be enjoyable to watch on a dim display. Its smaller things that are harder to quantify that really set it apart in my book. The motion on it is better than other LCD and LCOS projectors that I have seen, making it better for sports than other projectors and greatly reducing the blur in films. The projector is very quiet in use as well, even in high lamp mode so you can run it in a room without needing to isolate it.

The Reality Creation mode helps to make poor transfers or soft films look better, though it can also distract from a really well done transfer unless you turn it off for those. The inclusion of a spare bulb is just icing on the cake, allowing you to use the Sony for years without needing to buy anything else. Unless you need a feature the Sony doesn't offer, it now becomes my go-to projector recommendation by offering a fantastic image and an amazing value. Incredibly highly recommended."
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post #791 of 2039
12/20/12 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Another review:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/projectors/projectors-reviews/sony-vpl-hw50es-projector.html
"The VPL-HW50ES floated a bit under the radar at CEDIA, with 4K being the hot word and not having a real hot feature to latch onto. Having used it for an extended time with a lot of content, I can say it has left me incredibly impressed. Of the projectors that I have reviewed in 2012, I'm going to go ahead and put the 50ES at the top of the list as the one that I want to keep in my theater.
It delivers a fantastic image that has very good native contrast, a dynamic iris that works invisibly, and calibration results that are superb. The amount of light that it puts out really sets it apart, allowing you to use a much larger screen than before, and enjoy 3D films that would not be enjoyable to watch on a dim display. Its smaller things that are harder to quantify that really set it apart in my book. The motion on it is better than other LCD and LCOS projectors that I have seen, making it better for sports than other projectors and greatly reducing the blur in films. The projector is very quiet in use as well, even in high lamp mode so you can run it in a room without needing to isolate it.
The Reality Creation mode helps to make poor transfers or soft films look better, though it can also distract from a really well done transfer unless you turn it off for those. The inclusion of a spare bulb is just icing on the cake, allowing you to use the Sony for years without needing to buy anything else. Unless you need a feature the Sony doesn't offer, it now becomes my go-to projector recommendation by offering a fantastic image and an amazing value. Incredibly highly recommended."

Nice one.. I am liking it more and more!
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post #792 of 2039
12/20/12 at 7:28am
Can't wait to get mine! Just a little bummed there is a wait list. Hopefully it will be here before the end of the year.cool.gif
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post #793 of 2039
12/20/12 at 8:06am
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Can't wait to get mine! Just a little bummed there is a wait list. Hopefully it will be here before the end of the year.cool.gif

Same here. Mine was supposed to ship last Monday but apparently AVS is waiting on a shipment to come in. I waited patiently to get some info on the HW50 vs. RS46 and I finally decided to make a decision to go the HW50 route and now I have to wait patiently again. I wouldn't mind so much but since I have time off it would be nice have it now. Argh!
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post #794 of 2039
12/20/12 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Jagdeepp View Post

I am pleased to confirm that the Sony IS very anamorphic lens friendly. It does a vertical stretch and can be left in this mode for 3d too though I've not checked yet as to whether and how it affects the quality of 3d material. 3d material is almost always in 16:9 format.
The pj also has a 'blanking' feature akin to the Jvc's over masking which allows you to trim edges of the picture to mask off any pincushion.
Hope the above helps.

No,

the HW50 does not do it in 3D. I have the Oppo 93 and it stretches in 2D with no problem, likewise the 50. But with 3D it's not working. Strange enough with non-2.4:1 content at least the Oppo does stretch it, but not with true 2.4:1 material. I tested that with Prometheus 3D and Brave 3D, both european versions. For a 16:9 BD for an exampel Jean-Michel Cousteau's film trilogy Sharks, Dolphins and Whales and Ocean Wonderland, the HW50 does still not stretch, but the Oppo.

I'm still looking for a solution. Maybe the Oppo 103 works?

Or is there a magic button on the Sony somewhere?

Regards,
The BigRalf :-)
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post #795 of 2039
12/20/12 at 11:17am
Seems odd that Jagdeepp can get this to work. Incidently I have tested my X35 using side by side 3D content (though I have no glasses or emitter) I was able to vertically stretch and horizontally squeeze the image in 3D using only my X35 controls.
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post #796 of 2039
12/20/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

the custom cable for the MV3D transmitter -> HW50 isn't a quick fix. It's a custom cable that someone on the UK AV forums came up with, you may have to search around the internet for more info since it's been a long time since it's been discussed (the older HW30 is the same connection)
You can't power the MV3D transmitter from the projector, it needs a separate power source (blackberry USB charger works).
ideally you would point the IR receiver of the MV3D device to the IR transmitter of the Sony (either built in or external module)
If this sounds like a pain to set up in your particular environment, it might be best to stick with the Sony IR glasses and 3rd part IR glasses like the Xpand 104's which work fine with the Sony.

Is it just me or does anyone else also find that they can just point the MV3D device to the screen to pick up the IR signal? Works fine for me. In fact, if I point the MV3D receiver at the Sony internal IR transmitter (inch or two away), it doesn't work.

In essence, I don't see any issue using both Sony & MV3D glasses at the same time. You just won't be able to calibrate the projector properly for both glasses, since the glasses' tint differ significantly.
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post #797 of 2039
12/20/12 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

I m not bothered by the ghosting of the HW50 at all at max glasses setting. The thing that bothers me the most is the flickering. It is not that it is THAT perceptive but after watching a 3D movie I just get nauseous. I know that you can solve this by getting a SIM2 3D-S with tripple flash (72Hz per eye!) technology but that projector will cost 40K smile.gif. Does the Epson cause no nauseousty because of their 3:2 pulldown (60Hz/eye?) technique used in 3D?

Where did you get this information that Epson does 3:2 pulldown on Blu-Ray 24p 3D content?
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post #798 of 2039
12/20/12 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

The inclusion of a spare bulb is just icing on the cake, allowing you to use the Sony for years without needing to buy anything else. "

This extra lamp still appears to be vaporware :-P
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post #799 of 2039
12/20/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Frohlich

The inclusion of a spare bulb is just icing on the cake, allowing you to use the Sony for years without needing to buy anything else. "

This extra lamp still appears to be vaporware :-P

I'm sure the free spare lamp will catch up with you long before you need it.
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post #800 of 2039
12/20/12 at 12:31pm

No,

the HW50 does not do it in 3D. I have the Oppo 93 and it stretches in 2D with no problem, likewise the 50. But with 3D it's not working. Strange enough with non-2.4:1 content at least the Oppo does stretch it, but not with true 2.4:1 material. I tested that with Prometheus 3D and Brave 3D, both european versions. For a 16:9 BD for an exampel Jean-Michel Cousteau's film trilogy Sharks, Dolphins and Whales and Ocean Wonderland, the HW50 does still not stretch, but the Oppo.

I'm still looking for a solution. Maybe the Oppo 103 works?

Or is there a magic button on the Sony somewhere?




simple solution.. and one cheaper than the Oppo.. HTPC! I use mine to scale without employing the Sony's scaler. That way I can do it at the touch of a button rather than cycling through the ratio's on the remote.
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post #801 of 2039
12/20/12 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

I'm sure the free spare lamp will catch up with you long before you need it.
Is this vapoware extra lamp US only, or are europeans getting it also?
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post #802 of 2039
12/20/12 at 3:04pm
Just got my extra lamp today. Received my PJ around Thanksgiving.
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post #803 of 2039
12/20/12 at 3:14pm
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Is this vapoware extra lamp US only, or are europeans getting it also?

Sorry - not being in Europe, I have no idea !!
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post #804 of 2039
12/20/12 at 4:28pm
I am seriously considering this projector. I have a 2:35 110" screen I am considering doing the "zoom" for filling the screen. At what distance range for ceiling mounting will work with this setup?

Thanks!
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post #805 of 2039
12/20/12 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by mc man View Post

I am seriously considering this projector. I have a 2:35 110" screen I am considering doing the "zoom" for filling the screen. At what distance range for ceiling mounting will work with this setup?
Thanks!

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-HW50ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm
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post #806 of 2039
12/20/12 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by blipszyc View Post

Just got my extra lamp today. Received my PJ around Thanksgiving.

Me too ....got it today and received mine late November.
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post #807 of 2039
12/21/12 at 5:21am
Got my spare lamp yesterday as well. Kind of a bummer as it made me realize that I've had my HW50 for 6 weeks now and I'm still setting up my HT! At this rate, it's going to take a Christmas miracle for this project to be finished in 2012!
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post #808 of 2039
12/21/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-HW50ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Looking to upgrade from my VPL-VW40, but I have only one question: Projector Calculator Pro for HW50 shows zoom as 1.51:1 instead of 1.6:1, is that correct?? According to Sony specifications HW50 is 1.6:1. In may case I need that 0.1 extra zoom because my VW40 is 14 ft from my 88" Carada Screen and I have no intentions to move my projector location.
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post #809 of 2039
12/21/12 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

Got my spare lamp yesterday as well. Kind of a bummer as it made me realize that I've had my HW50 for 6 weeks now and I'm still setting up my HT! At this rate, it's going to take a Christmas miracle for this project to be finished in 2012!

My projector shipped out 10/19. Still haven't received a lamp. Weird.

And I know what you mean; my home theater's (previously 720p + the deplorable GrayWolf glass-beaded screen) been down since July... been really slow at putting it back together. New screen (the decision between HCHP & HP definitely fit the bill of 'paralysis of analysis'), velvet curtains, new sound system, bad projector (focus nonuniformity), lamp flicker on the replacement... I can see why most people just go for flat screens :-P
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post #810 of 2039
12/21/12 at 9:44pm
Happy Happy Joy Joy.....I received my extra lamp today. I was never worried.... LOL!

Thanks, AVS

Mike
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