Official Sony VPL-HW50ES Owners Thread - Page 29

It may seem counter intuitive, but don't point the projector towards the screen. Literally, point the projector straight ahead. Use a level, and level the side and front, and make sure the front face of the projector is square with the wall that the screen is on. Only then, use the lens shift to put the image on the screen, because it will probably be off at that point. Geometry errors should be minimal at this point. Fine tune the squareness of the picture by slight tilting or rotating the projector and readjusting the lens shift.

If the screen is perfectly level, and the projector is perfectly level (from left to right, i.e. 'roll' I believe), you shouldn't have to touch that particular position at all.

I got my spare lamp a few days ago. I am tempted to install it to make sure it functions properly. I just passed 450 on my original lamp. What are the suggestions on this.

I got a unit ending in 231 and it definitely had the buzz. I tried to exchange it for a new one and got #237. It too has a slight buzz. I may wait and try again to get something built later.
Edited by blipszyc - 12/29/12 at 2:37pm

Hi, have new HW50, looking for convergence, I have slight convergence on right side of screen, looking to NEC pattern, there is slight glow of purple and green on font borders, not much purple not even half pixel downl, green a bit more but still not full pixel up, which color is misaligned here ?

And if anyone of you are using alignment tool, how much red or blue do you apply, just being curious here, so please if you can comment on this. How is your picture at pixel level ?

Thank you.

My unit that arrived 3 days ago has an audible buzz/whine when 3D is activated.

the noise is reduced, but it's not going to be entirely eliminated. I've heard the original and the reduced noise version, the latter is definitely more quiet.

The alternative is to use the external emitter (sold separately).

Thanks for all the comments on aligning the projector to fix my distortion. Luckily I bought a Chief RPA at the suggestion of someone else on the forum.

I'm dying to have one of these(SMS Projector Short Throw V+, SMS Projector Short Throw V) projector wall mounts, but I have not been able to find proper picture from the bottom of the projector. Even the manual has this ****** schematic with only projector mount dimensions, but not the dimension of the mounting holes and info how big the mounting holes are(M3, M4, M5...???). The pole on that projector mount is 450mm, so it's getting close with this pj because can't see where the mounting holes are located relative to the center of the pj.

Sony, Is it really so hard to provide us with proper schematics from the bottom of the projector?


In the documents section there are pretty good info about the capability of these wall mounts.

Depending on how bad the alignment is, keep in mind that you can adjust both the projector AND the screen if needed. The Chief mount (at least mine) has an issue where the mount flexes slightly as the screws are tightened, so it goes from perfectly level to very slightly off level (99.8% level). I know I could play with it some and get it '100% perfect', but it was much quicker and easier to for me to shim the screen slightly to make it match the projector.

Hi
Can anybody tell me the actual contrast ratio without opening/closing the iris and dynamic contrast?
Does the ratio fall dramatically, and how is the black level?
I may be in the market for a new projector as my JVC is failing, and here in Denmark the Sony and the JVC X35 cost the same
Thanks
Jakob

I do not have any measurements but by eye I can tell you that the black levels are fairly good. I have dark light controlled room with a throw of just under 18' onto a 119" Dalite HP screen and I just recently put it in place of a JVC RS45. I've also had an RS2 clone as well (Pioneer FPJ1) and I can tell you that the JVC definitely has better black levels no question in my setup. If the iris is fully open on the JVC the Sony is more comparable at that point but I still think the JVC has an edge these. I've not connected them side by side but I am using the same room and have compared them just minutes apart. With the iris clamped on the JVC the difference is definitely noticeable.

I ordered an ND2 filter to see if this improves black levels. I figure if so then I can use the filter for 2D and leave it off for 3D. I do believe motion is better on the Sony as is the FI. With RC the picture also appears to be sharper. My biggest wish on this model is that black levels were better but we'll see how the ND2 filter works. The deepest black levels missing stands out to my eyes more than the higher dynamic range of the JVC at this point.

Does the simulated 3d , say for example with directv, turn off the FI like it does with the
xbr 929. the 929 will default to auto 2 cinemotion and fi off. Settings are grayed out. If its a true 3d br from the ps3 then it is on. The difference in 3d for me is the difference in being to enjoy 3d. With out FI its just to jumpy and jittery. With it on it is incrediable.

In case anyone else searches this thread I was concerned about the throw ratio and if it would work in my room. I ended up getting the HW50 and here is what I measured for my unit:

At the extreme I can put the projector 222 inches from my 102.5 inch wide screen. This would put the throw ratio around 2.16 and this is more than other sites have listed for it (most say 2.13). I don't know how much this varies from unit to unit (if at all) and ymmv but just in case anyone else was obsessing about the throw that is what I measured. It ended up working nicely behind my wall at 18 feet. I have heard the Sony does pretty well with not losing too many lumens from min to max zoom so hope that is true.
Edited by fingersdlp - 12/31/12 at 9:48am

Can you (or anyone else) share what you are using for the delay and duty cycle on the MonsterVision? I experimented a bit and I found settings I thought were better than the default but I ended up reseting them back to factory as I was just not sure. I would be interested in trying what others have dialed in for comparison. I have several transmitters and I was thinking I might customize each with their own settings and I could swap them out based on the viewing material. That is probably overkill and I wonder if the glasses would have any issues synching to different transmitters?

Thanks

This may be a dumb question, but on a projector such as the 50es, if you adjust the zoom b/c of varying image sizes, do you have to refocus or does the focus stay constant?

Thanks for posting those numbers. I've always dismissed all recent Sony projectors because they all use the same short throw lens which doesn't work with my rear shelf mount. But based on your numbers, it might just work for me too. Good to have another option if I ever upgrade from my JVC.

Did you notice a huge drop in light output at these long throw distances?

Count me in as a new owner....well I have to wait a few weeks since they are in back order with AVS but they definitely took care of me! This will be replacing an Epson 6010. The screen door effect and lag when I occasionally fire up the Xbox with my son ended up being to much of an annoyance for me.

I've been reading through the threads and have a question. I am going to mount the projector on a shelf behind my seating and the distance is 19ft from the lens to the opposite wall. I have a 133 inch high power apscreen so my placement is limited. I've been reading about the shirt throw lens compared to the epson it is replacing. Is 19ft too far? I see a few posts up that someone had mounted 18ft back but I am not sure if that is the maximum distance.

I didn't take time to look up in the manual (you can download it online to check for yourself) but ProjectorCentrals calculator (which is usually fairly accurate) shows for 133" diagonal screen throw range is about 13'5 - 20'4. Please confirm for yourself though. Just posting a link, so you can enter your data.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Sony-VPL-HW50ES-projection-calculator-pro.htm

The projectorreviews link in the very first post has some info on this in the Brightness section:

The Sony 1.6:1 Zoom Has A Limited Effect on Brightness

Effect of zoom on lumen output (Reference mode):

Zoom out: 1109
Mid-zoom: 1044
Zoom in: 997

The optics show minimal drop off in brightness as you place the projector more telephoto (further back). Given, this is a 1.6:1 zoom, a drop of only 10% is impressive.

I think the HW50 has the same throw as the HW30... Please verify, but if so then this chart from my impressions of the HW30 should help.



Enjoy...

Max distance is not really a good indicator as your screen size relative to the throw distance (and screen gain for brightness) is what matters. 19ft = 228in so that gives you a ratio of 1.71 with a 133in diagonal 16x9 screen (228/133). Pretty much mid zoom for the HW50 (advertised to be 1.41 - 2.13). Sounds like you have a high gain screen so this should be no problem in terms of FtL's.

Thanks everyone for the responses on throw distance! Now I am just going to be the creepy guy who lurks around the forum until my projector shows up.

Do you also notice a buzzing when the unit is in stand-by mode? Just plugging my unit in causes it to buzz a little.

Hi Guys I'm also in similiar situation, my mrs wants a 150 in scrren over my suggestion of 130 max.. anyone can recommend a decent screen for 3d & 2d movies... my ht space will be built in the coming weeks 25'x17' I don't want to break the bank on SI Black Diamond.. any recommendations besides the monoprice screens.. I'm looking for a fixed if possible...

I have a Cima screen from Stuart. Seems great to me, though I have no lighting issues.

I have the same combination (HW50 and 110 Stewart Cima screen). Small world

About how proud is Stewart of that CIMA screen these days?

If you are looking to view 3D on a 150 inch screen and still want it to be bright you might check out a Da-Lite High Power Screen. I have a 133" one with a gain of 2.4 and love it. On my Epson 6010, which the HW50 is replacing, I was able to still run the lamp in Economy mode and have a bright image in 3D. The downside of High Power screens is that it has very limited placement flexibility. In order have maximum gain the projector needs to be shelf mounted behind your seating position at roughly viewing height. Pricing is in between the monoprice and Black Diamond, I think I picked mine up for for around $1100.

I'm wondering if owners can post their experience regarding the pixel alignment zone feature. I believe it offers 144 zones via .1 pixel increments... in reality does it work as well as theory suggests? 

guys forgive me but i was curious if anyone has started a picture settings thread on this projector as i am looking for the best settings to try to use on this projector. IF someone can poiint me in the right direction that would be great. I looked around the forum but found nothing.


if someone wants to just list the reference mode settings for 2d and 3d as i hear out of the box ref mode is pretty spot on. That works too.