Official Sony VPL-HW50ES Owners Thread - Page 34

The grain does get slightly exagerated with RC even at min, but that movie has grain for "artistic" effect, and I would say 90% of movies now a days are very clean with little to no grain. Not sure if you realize this but great optical sharpness also makes grain stand out just as much. I had the benq w5000 which is considered one of the sharpest DLPs out there and it also made grain stick out like a sore thumb. Don't blame the projector for grain which is in the source itself. Now if the projector added grain itself.....that would be a different story. Not a big deal as you can just turn RC off and get decent sharpness with no exagerated grain for problem movies like TTSP.

The Sony is most certainly the best non DLP projector on the market for motion. If the Sony is not good enough for you then the JVC will be unaceptable to you for motion. I play lots of games which is a great way to test for motion res, and I also use some test patterns from a Japenese FPD benchmark disc which includes the infamous hammock scene which completely destroyed older JVC projectors.

Still interested in getting a VW90 quality lens in combination with RC and darbee to see what type of difference a better lens would make with RC.

Your first statement is a bit of a generalization, but yes I get your point. Depending on what RC chooses to emphasize (which, in turn, depends on the quality of the noise/grain), though, it could sometimes amplify noise more than is desired. My point was simply that for some content it just doesn't work. Yes, I realize that's in the source, which is why I mentioned 'for some content' (season 1 of 'Breaking Bad' is another great example). So for content where RC just doesn't work, a lens with uniformly high MTF would especially be desirable.

Meanwhile, for a great transfer like the IMAX scenes of The Dark Knight Rises, you can keep cranking up the RC & it just works wonders. Up to a certain point of course.

Out of curiosity, where did you get the FPD benchmark disc? I would love to get my hands on one, or the ISO of one anyway!

Thanks.

I saw how cheap the 3d emitter is from avs ($63) and just said the heck with it an ordered it. Not worth my time trying to get it for free from sony for that amount.

Do people usually mount these on the projector facing the screen or above/below the screen facing the seats?

the new IR emitter that AV Science is selling is the new TMR-PJ2 model. This is an update from the older version that shipped last year with the HW30. (generally required a screen mount)

This model is designed to be mounted at the projector and bouncing off the screen.

Sorry for this Dumb question but here it goes anyway... will this projector work in my room if I mount it back 16'3" from the screen , my screen size is a 92" screen and its 16x9 diagnal???

negative, the farthest back you could mount it would be ~ 14 feet @ 92"

Can the Sony do a 2.35:1 ratio without an anamorphic lens? I do mot mins the bars on the sides for 16:9 it it can. If it cannot how much would an anamorphic lens cost?

The sony doesn't have electric zoom/focus/shift, thus it doesn't have the lens memory feature.
You can change the aspect manually every time, if you got the patience...

This isn't always true. While it is possible to do this manually, you need to make sure the projector is placed correctly (an appropriate distance from the screen) so that there is still enough zoom left to make the image large enough to fill the entire screen. Just something to take into consideration if you really wanted to do it.

Agreed.
But I don't think that many users are actually considering this option.

Carried out a bit of experimenting with the Service menu Open/Close reg settings, and have lowered the black floor to an acceptable level though still not on par with the JVC. Even with the adjust set to 0 I still see an amount of light projecting on the screen, surely at this setting it should be near enough black?

I got one from AVS and it works fine. I still think Sony should provide it if you have problems. I think the internal emitter is seriously under powered or has aiming issues.
I mounted mine on the projector. It will synch from the back of the 17' room now.

I agree as well, but the hassle of trying to get them to realize the error of their ways just isn't worth it over ~2% of the projector price. Unfortunately I also just got an email from avs saying they are out of stock and it will be another week or so, but I guess my single set of monster 3d glasses will tide me over until then.

It's good to hear that you are getting sync that far back as my room is only 14.5ft deep. So i'm hoping I can just slap this emitter on the underside of the projector and be done with it. Worst case I guess I run a 40-50ft cat5 cable through my attic and attach it to the top of the screen pointing down at the seats.

Do people usually mount these on the projector facing the screen or above/below the screen facing the seats?

I set the emitter on top of the projector with some two way tape to keep it from falling off. I then had my wife watch while I adjusted it. Took about 20 seconds. Synched right up.

This should help with loosing sync with the glasses??, i got my projector last night and as long as i was sitting next to it was fine at 1.5 feet from my head ( by the way no buzz from the emitter that i could hear) but as soon as i moved to the corner of the couch i was loosing sync every few seconds, very unhappy with that.... Sony should do something to fix

By the way, how many charging cables ship with the sony50es for the 3d glasses?

How about 100" screen, what is the max you can mount, and what would be ideal??

One, at least in Europe.

Just placed my order for the HW50ES


Distributor seems to be out for the moment so it may ship next week. Here's to hoping!

 

I only received one as well in my shipment from AVS here in the US.

I believe I only received one charging cable with mine from AVS as well.

My external emitter is mounted just above my projector with just under an 18' throw onto a 119" screen. 2 movies using Sony and Xpand glasses with no sync issues now. The internal emitter is either very underpowered or is aiming towards the side where it is mounted or both.

1 cable only for 2 glasses here in Canada.
I am reading about all the emitter strength/sync issues and maybe I just lucked out. I have only watched about 6 hours of 3d but no sync issues with either the glasses in the box or the cheap PS3 glasses. My projector is ceiling mounted about 2 inches from the top of the screen and 15 feet back. Screen is 110"Stewart Firehawk and seating is about 13 feet back for 28' total projector to glasses. I also have some seating that is offset to the side slightly and they still work ok there. I am certainly going to pay more attention next 3d movie we watch to see if any issues arise. I think I'll move around a lot more and try different seating positions.

My projector is shelf mounted. The included Sony glasses stayed in sync better but the internal emitter just didn't work with the Xpands at all (at least in my setup). I haven't read through the thread fully but I'm wondering if Sony possibly made a tweak to the newest units that are shipping. I just don't remember seeing complaints earlier about the internal emitter being referred to except to resolve the high pitched whine when using 3D.

The user's manual, available for download from Marantz' web site, has a table that has allowable distances for various screen sizes. It also gives the formula for calculating distances given screen size.

What iris mode are you using and what "adjust" is set to 0?

My JVC always projected some light as well, albeit less than a tweaked HW30. I've never played with the 50. The 95 has a good native contrast and can dip pretty dark, but even then there is always some light projecting on screen.

seems my projector is on the truck for delivery today! I will test out this 3d buzz and IR range etc. any let you guys know. This should be the most recent model as the distributor was out of stock before it got shipped.

I have a feeling that all sony did to fix the buzz sound in 3D was to go into the service menu and lower the power output to the emitter. I really hope i am wrong....

I just hit the 500 hour mark on my HW50. Zero problems. We just finished watcching Dredd in 3d. I really liked the movie and it had some of the best audio i have ever heard in my theater.

Sony sent me an emitter at no charge. Great support. Now I have a backup.

 

FWIW, when I called customer service to get my external emitter, I asked the rep about the fix and he said they actually had to replace the entire IR board.  I told him I thought it was odd that Sony wasn't fixing this for ALL early models since the HW50 is by far one of the quietest (if not THE quietest) projectors in this price range.  He was like yeah, never thought of it like that before.  I suppose somebody higher up decided that since it was so quiet that the buzz just leveled the playing field and no need to go crazy sending out emitters to people complaining about it...

for those who got the external emitter, any tips for getting a yes instead of a no? Call vs online chat etc? Mine is new but if i am experiencing any noise issues i will try to get one as well. Maybe the name of the the rep who actually agreed to send you the free emitter ?