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The Expendables 2 with dts Neo:X11.1!

post #1 of 75
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info via chuffster 2005, The 2012 Simon West directed action sequel “The Expendables 2” starring Sylvester Stallone is coming to Blu-ray Disc on November 20th via Lionsgate. The film co-stars Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Chuck Norris, Terry Crews, Randy Couture, Liam Hemsworth, Jean Claude Van Damme, Bruce Willis and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Tech specs for this release are really interesting as they include full 1080p Hi-Def video in the 2.40:1 aspect ratio with DTS Neo:X 11.1 and DTS-HD 7.1 Master Audio. This, as far as I know, is THE FIRST Blu-ray Disc release to get the DTS Neo:X 11.1 treatment. This should be really awesome for those on the proper AV receivers and speaker systems to decode this. The release will come with both a Digital Copy and an UltraViolet digital copy of the film.
The title is available for PRE-ORDER over at Amazon with a $27.99 price tag. The bonus materials set to be included on the release are listed below.


Audio commentary with director Simon West
“Gods of War: Assembling Earth’s Mightiest Anti-Heroes” featurette
“Big Guns, Bigger Heroes: The 1980’s and the Rise of the Action Film” featurette
“On the Assault: The Real-Life Weaponry of The Expendables” featurette
“Guns for Hire: The Real Expendables” featurette
Deleted Scenes
Gag Reel
post #2 of 75
11.1 HOLY CRAP

Any info on whether this movie was mixed in 11.1 or if it was just 'upconverted' like most Lionsgate releases?

11.1 is insane, I wonder who even has a receiver that supports that...
post #3 of 75
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Originally Posted by WontonNoodle View Post

11.1 is insane, I wonder who even has a receiver that supports that...
ha yeah who would have such a thing......... ill get my coat
post #4 of 75
Red tails 2?
post #5 of 75
Maybe, but Red Tails definitely had an 11.1 theatrical mix whereas I can't find any evidence of Auro or Atmos screenings of Expendables 2. I'm gonna predict another Lionsgate upconvert.
post #6 of 75
How is this really any better than something a little beefier than Dolby ProLogic IIx post-processing layered on top of a 5.1 discrete mix? It's matrix logic steered and not 11.1 discrete channels anyway (there is no 11.1 discrete format okayed by the Blu-ray Association... until probably 4k). 7.1 discrete is more than enough for home theater use. It just confuses things further.
post #7 of 75
Eh?

DTS:Neo X is not a sound format, it is just a post-process. I'm guessing this disc will have a 7.1 main track that has been "mixed" with the post process to take advantage of it in home delivery.

Interesting. Watching this one....
post #8 of 75
It has a 7.1 English audio track just like many other Lionsgate action releases including it's predecessor.
post #9 of 75
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Eh?
DTS:Neo X is not a sound format, it is just a post-process. I'm guessing this disc will have a 7.1 main track that has been "mixed" with the post process to take advantage of it in home delivery.
Interesting. Watching this one....

I will be curious to see if they have a separate 7.1 track that is specially encoded (but still matrixed) for 11.1 Neo:X optimization or if they just use the main 7.1 track for that purpose. If you read the DTS literature (see white paper linked below), they make it sound like Neo:X 11.1 can be encoded "discretely" using the existing delivery chain but I'm pretty sure that is just marketing/hyperbole.

http://www.dts.com/~/media/0d70c54ba95946688c714fd62ad24bf7/DTS_NeoX_White_Paper.pdf

I tend to prefer Audyssey DSX over Neo:X processing but would be willing to sample this one if they indeed have a Neo:X optimized soundtrack. Wish it was a movie I actually cared to watch!
post #10 of 75
No matter what, I'll happily downmix it to 5.1 on my setup. tongue.gif
post #11 of 75
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Originally Posted by mbrennem View Post

I will be curious to see if they have a separate 7.1 track that is specially encoded (but still matrixed) for 11.1 Neo:X optimization or if they just use the main 7.1 track for that purpose. If you read the DTS literature (see white paper linked below), they make it sound like Neo:X 11.1 can be encoded "discretely" using the existing delivery chain but I'm pretty sure that is just marketing/hyperbole.
http://www.dts.com/~/media/0d70c54ba95946688c714fd62ad24bf7/DTS_NeoX_White_Paper.pdf
I tend to prefer Audyssey DSX over Neo:X processing but would be willing to sample this one if they indeed have a Neo:X optimized soundtrack. Wish it was a movie I actually cared to watch!

Exactly. It sounds to me like what Neural Surround has attempted to do.

If that is what has happened...awesome, as long as the results are there. Would be a cool trend as long as the main 7.1 track is not compromised at all in the process.
post #12 of 75
Anyways, I thought this movie had unimpressive sound especially picture quality in the theatres... We'll see how it turns out.... not expecting much
post #13 of 75
I like where this is going. smile.gif No discrete Channels but its a start. Hopefully other movies will follow! Since Dolby Atmos is pretty much dead - why not a DTS Neo: X standard along with some fancy 4k discs? I'm ready.
post #14 of 75
Let's matrix channels like it's 1999
post #15 of 75
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Let's matrix channels like it's 1999

Isn't that a Prince song? biggrin.gif
post #16 of 75
Atmos is dead? Thought it had barely gotten started.
post #17 of 75
Thread Starter 
uk version is 7.1 optimised for 11.1
http://film.thedigitalfix.com/content/id/76042/the-expendables-2-in-december.html

Lionsgate have announced the UK DVD and Blu-ray release of The Expendables 2 on 10 December 2012. Sylvester Stallone returns for this sequel boasting the 'Greatest Ever Action Cast', including Jason Statham, Dolph Lundgren, Chuck Norris, with Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jean Claude Van Damme rounding out the headline cast.

Features include:

DVD: Anamorphic Widescreen | English DD5.1 & DD2.0
BD: 1080P | 7.1 DTS-HD MA optimised for 11.1 Neo:X playback and DD2.0 stereo optimised for late night listening
English HOH subtitles
Audio Commentary with Director Simon West
Gods of War: Assembling Earth's Mightiest Anti-Heroes
On the Assault: The Real-Life Weaponry of The Expendables
Deleted Scenes
Gag Reel
post #18 of 75
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Since Dolby Atmos is pretty much dead

Atmos is far from dead. Since it represents a total sea change in the way that movie soundtracks are created, it's being rolled out slowly and carefully.
post #19 of 75
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Originally Posted by r4Yn View Post

I like where this is going. smile.gif No discrete Channels but its a start. Hopefully other movies will follow! Since Dolby Atmos is pretty much dead - why not a DTS Neo: X standard along with some fancy 4k discs? I'm ready.

One movie and it's dead? yeah, no
post #20 of 75
It's two now, Brave and Taken 2. Chasing Mavericks is next on tap.
post #21 of 75
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Originally Posted by Dan Average View Post

It's two now, Brave and Taken 2. Chasing Mavericks is next on tap.

Life of Pi will also be a Dolby Atmos release:

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=2978
post #22 of 75
So is there like one receiver that can handle this? Is it not normally the other way round?
Edited by dvdmike007 - 10/14/12 at 8:44am
post #23 of 75
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Life of Pi will also be a Dolby Atmos release: http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr.aspx?newsID=2978

In the absence of any Dolby Atmos Home Theater product, there is no reason the studios couldn't render a (Dolby Atmos) movie down to ("generic 7.1 Standard plus Front Heights and Wides") 11.1 PCM and then use the DTS Neo:X 11.1-to-7.1 matrix and DTS-HDMA 7.1 encode technologies to build a "best efforts" 11.1 Neo:X, 7.1 DTS HD-MA BD of the movie.

Of course, there's also no reason Dolby couldn't more actively support 9.1-to-7.1 matrixing in order to add 'near discrete' height content optimized for subsequent DPLIIz playback into 7.1 TrueHD soundtracks...?! biggrin.gif
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post #24 of 75
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

Of course, there's also no reason Dolby couldn't more actively support 9.1-to-7.1 matrixing in order to add 'near discrete' height content optimized for subsequent DPLIIz playback into 7.1 TrueHD soundtracks...?! biggrin.gif
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Theoretically they could even produce a TrueHD track that is optimized for Neo:X 11.1! Or a DTS-MA track that is optimized for DPLIIz. Imagine the potential for consumer confusion...although fortunately the 7.1 discrete channels would still work fine on 5.1 and 7.1 systems.
post #25 of 75
This has to be a faulty pirate release, otherwise the Expendables 2 Blu-ray is going to be full of DVNR + fake grain!!!

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This one looks good...
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but this one not so much (Digital Zoom + DVNR + Fake Grain?).
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Waiting for the official release...
post #26 of 75
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i didnt see it at the cinema but apparently it looked quite bad there too (digital screening) especially the dark scenes
post #27 of 75
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Originally Posted by pjvader View Post

i didnt see it at the cinema but apparently it looked quite bad there too (digital screening) especially the dark scenes

It definitely did. I think people's expectations for this should be lowered -- especially if they didn't see it in theaters and have no idea what they're dealing with here. lol.
post #28 of 75
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Originally Posted by DM2006RI View Post

It definitely did. I think people's expectations for this should be lowered -- especially if they didn't see it in theaters and have no idea what they're dealing with here. lol.

As much as I like Simon West, he was never Terrence Malick
post #29 of 75
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

That looks EXACTLY of how it looked like at the theater.

That's how I recall it in the theatre as well, nothing about the PQ was very good. It's the 7.1(11.1 for some...) track that will be the hero of this release.
cheers
post #30 of 75
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

So is there like one receiver that can handle this? Is it not normally the other way round?


Yamaha has had 11.2 in their flagship RX-Z series for years now (at least 6 years, likely more)

it's not 11 discrete channels though, the top 4 corners are presence channels only, digitally matrix'd.

 

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/YEC/Other/Brochure/RXZ11_U.pdf

 

11.2_room_diag.jpg


Edited by PioManiac - 11/16/12 at 11:45am
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