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post #121 of 2658
10/30/12 at 8:08pm
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I thought this has a matte screen therefore it should handle reflections well?
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Yeah interested in this. I plan on putting this in a bonus room that consists of a large back of windows on three sides.
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post #122 of 2658
10/31/12 at 12:30am
I find it to be quite reflective as well. I don't know at which point its called a matte screen or brilliant.. but.. i've a brilliant coated laptop screen that doesn't reflect nearly as much as the tv wink.gif
Then again for me its not really an issue, I close one curtain
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post #123 of 2658
10/31/12 at 12:53am
Reflective as compared to what? Mine is no more reflective than the 55" Sony it replaced, and it sits right next to a sliding glass door which allows a lot of light in. If you want to see reflective, check out any of the plasmas at a Costco or Sam's Club - they are virtually big mirrors.

I am extremely pleased with the picture quality of the E601, and after calibrating, was able to get great black levels with no brightening around the edges, just as described in the Home Theater Review article linked at the beginning of this thread. Glad I pulled the trigger on this TV.
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post #124 of 2658
10/31/12 at 3:17am
In my case the TV is in the garage. ( man cave ) It's sittimg facing the garage door, which stays open and faces south. I had a 42 inch Vizio there before and the sunlight was not an issue. I'm thinking if I move it to the west wall it may solve the problem. The thing is, I have quite a bit going on out there. I have 6 TVs in the garage, with 5 of them on the west wall already. So it's going to involve moving several sets around.to make room.
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post #125 of 2658
10/31/12 at 6:02am
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Reflective as compared to what? Mine is no more reflective than the 55" Sony it replaced, and it sits right next to a sliding glass door which allows a lot of light in. If you want to see reflective, check out any of the plasmas at a Costco or Sam's Club - they are virtually big mirrors.
I am extremely pleased with the picture quality of the E601, and after calibrating, was able to get great black levels with no brightening around the edges, just as described in the Home Theater Review article linked at the beginning of this thread. Glad I pulled the trigger on this TV.

Glad to hear you like it. I also have a 55" Sony SXRD RPTV and I'm seriously thinking of picking up this set this weekend from Costco. What methods did you use to calibrate the set? Do you have a radiospectrometer or whatever they are called?

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Tom
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post #126 of 2658
10/31/12 at 9:44am
Just finshed moving things around. The reflection is much much less on the west wall. I moved a true matte screen TV to where the 60 inch was, so all is good. No lip sync issues to report, yet either.
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post #127 of 2658
10/31/12 at 4:25pm
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I just spied this with my trusty loupe at Costco. The Vizio E601-A3 uses a late generation Samsung/Sony S-PVA panel (but not the newest one), very nice..... which looks like this...

This is the same panel that is on the Samsung 60EH6150 and 60ES7150 3D at Costco.
Vizio has a long standing relationship with LG for sourcing panels. Many of their TVs use S-IPS panels (which now may be sourced from Chei Mei as well as LG). They also use various other panels, like all brands do these days. I spied all TVs at Costco today and spied a couple of substructures that I didnt recotgnize....I think that they may be from cheaper lesser known Red Chinese manufacturers.
The Vizio E420VSE looks to be a AU Optronics MVA 3rd Gen, very nice. The M**0SL series is S-IPS, also very nice. The Sharp 70" 6400 and 60" 640 series uses what appears to be a Sharp X Gen ASF UV2A....seen below...

The other same and larger size Sharps at Costco used Quatron panels. This panel is the non Quatron that immediately preceded it. Very nice. (I dont care for the yellow subpixel myself).
Hope that helps.
Just for good measure. Vizio E420VSE panel AUO MVA 3rd Gen....which is a lot like the Samsung/Sony S-PVA above.

Wow, thanks for that information. It was exactly what I wanted to know..........In your opinion, the panel Vizio is using for this 60 inch is OK...??
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post #128 of 2658
10/31/12 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Bley View Post

Glad to hear you like it. I also have a 55" Sony SXRD RPTV and I'm seriously thinking of picking up this set this weekend from Costco. What methods did you use to calibrate the set? Do you have a radiospectrometer or whatever they are called?
Thanks,
Tom
No fancy calibrator tools, I'm afraid. . .just the Disney WOW World of Wonder Blu-ray calibration disc and the THX Optimizer video on my TiVo. The reviewer in the Home Theater Review article at the beginning of this thread gave some tips about balancing the backlight and brightness levels which also helped.
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post #129 of 2658
10/31/12 at 5:23pm
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No fancy calibrator tools, I'm afraid. . .just the Disney WOW World of Wonder Blu-ray calibration disc and the THX Optimizer video on my TiVo. The reviewer in the Home Theater Review article at the beginning of this thread gave some tips about balancing the backlight and brightness levels which also helped.

Yeah, I saw the Home Theater Review. I think I'm going to pick up this set. It's good to know that you didn't use any fancy calibration tools to get a nice picture, because I don't have anything fancy either. I'll be looking back to the HT Review and re-reading.
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post #130 of 2658
10/31/12 at 8:52pm
So to go on with my annoying interference problem, i received a couple of power filters, one with a switching regulator and a couple of coils (ie your standard filter+surge protector), and one in a huge metal box with 2 huge coils and a linear filter (ie pretty good quality stuff).

Zero change. Then I realized, dumb me, that the vizio's power cable has no earth ground anyway. So much for the guy from vizio trying to lecture me on not having a surge protector. Most surge protectors.. all surge protectors? actually require a earth ground to work properly, or they have to have their own earth ground that you basically put in the ground. (as in, basement's soil.)

So in the end I'm guessing the set has an issue so i've to return it via amazon to get it exchanged, since vizio doesn't care. yay.
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post #131 of 2658
11/1/12 at 9:11am
have had this tv for about 3 weeks now, couldnt be happier....used for the most part the setting from cnet, i added to the backlight made it 65, and the color is set at 55....i used everything else with one major exception, the sharpness...cnet says 0, i made it 6...when i put my cable guide on i went from one end of the sharpness to the other, and was amazed at how they had it set to 0, moving it up made a huge difference in crispness...to dull on 0

as for the lip sync problems...i have noticed if i have the settings up and messing with thoes and exit from them there is some lip sync issue, but as soon as i change the channel it goes away...its the only time i see the issue, therefore if i dont mess with the settings it doesnt happen....

otherwise, its a great tv for the price
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post #132 of 2658
11/1/12 at 10:22am
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Wow, thanks for that information. It was exactly what I wanted to know..........In your opinion, the panel Vizio is using for this 60 inch is OK...??

More than OK, its Samsung/Sony's (they produce panels in Korea in a joint venture) best panel from the last couple of years. Great blacks. They just this year came out with a new panel that is supposed to be superior which I spied on a Top of the Line Samsung at Best Buy (forget which model). Dont know too much about that one.

I like the Sharp NON-Quattron X Gen ASV UV2A panel better on a raw basis, but it also depends on what you do with it (filters, processing) not to mention the rest of the package around it, calibration tools, frame interpolation and that sort of thing.....plus convenience features like good menu design, Picture in Picture, programming guides for the OTA tuners.....then of course 3D and Smart Internet Streaming (both of which I dont care for in a TV).

The long running LG S-IPS panel is top notch too, but doesnt have near as good of blacks as these other panels (but this can be fixed via neutral grey filters and image processing). This is what I have and am most familiar with. It beats other panels in off axis color fidelity and wider viewing angles generally speaking.

The 3rd Gen MVA panels from AU Optronics is very good too, top notch. It is very similar in characteristics to the S-PVA panel on this Vizio E601-A3.

Here is the LG S-IPS sub pixel structure...



LG and Samsung/Sony are made in Korea.
Sharp is made in Japan.
AU Optronics is made in Taiwan.

Hope that helps.

If I was in the market for a 60" set, I would be looking at this Vizio and the Sharp 640/6400 closely, in PQ and features and then factor in price. Cant say which choice Id make, though Im not a rich man. Id have to really look into reported issues, menus, calibration tools, inputs and outputs, aesthetics, screen reflectivity, compare remotes, motion blur, standard definition playback, OTA programming guides (as I use OTA broadcast), input lag if you are a gamer, use as a computer monitor (overscan and no overscan settings) and so on and so forth. Id probably be happy with either.

My brother is looking at sets right now and depending on sales and pricing the 2 top contenders are the Vizio 55" M3D550SL which uses an S-IPS panel and the Vizio 60" E601-A3. The Sharp is out of contention on price. 3D doesnt really come into the equation as it's a gimmick IMO, but a fun little extra I guess and I like the passive 3D that this set offers over active glasses versions. The menu systems are similar as is the Smart TV functions. So it comes down to picture quality and characteristics and price really....with the 55" about $100 to $150 cheaper, the 60" being bigger, and the 2 different panels and their pros and cons relative to each other. He almost definitely would be happy with either. He currently has a Sony 40" EX400 which has a AU Optronics MVA 3rd Gen panel. So either will be a huge jump in size. The $150 price difference is probably critical as he isnt a rich man either, but I told him Id spring for the extra as a Christmas bonus for his families Christmas gift, to make the choice a purely non-financial one.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/1/12 at 11:17am
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post #133 of 2658
11/1/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

More than OK, its Samsung/Sony's (they produce panels in Korea in a joint venture) best panel from the last couple of years.

IIRC, Samsung bought out Sony from their joint panel production venture (S-LCD) some time back. It's all Samsung now. I believe Sony buys their panels from several sources including Taiwanese companies.

P.s. Never mind. You're right. Samsung didn't buy out Sony until early this year so Sony has been using S-LCD panels for last couple of years as you've said.
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post #134 of 2658
11/1/12 at 11:26am
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IIRC, Samsung bought out Sony from their joint panel production venture (S-LCD) some time back. It's all Samsung now. I believe Sony buys their panels from several sources including Taiwanese companies.

Could be. I might have missed the news.

Even Samsung uses other manufacturers panels. The 40EH5000 and 40EH5050 (Costco version) I spied the other day both used Sharp X Gen ASV UV2a (non-Quatron version) panels. It's all mixed up and has been for several years now. Look up "panel lottery" and you will see that even within a model, production runs can use different panels. And they assuredly do from model to model. For example last year my brother got his Sony 40" EX400 and it came with both an Samsung/Sony S-PVA panel in early production runs and a AU Optronics MVA3 in later production runs.

Ive seen a lot of old Samsung S-PVA panels on smaller sets, especially the 40" size. The Toshiba, Sony and Samsung (didnt note model numbers) that were displayed side by side at Best Buy the other day were all sporting it. The Best Buy Home Theatre crew was amazed.

It looks like this.



I saw a 46" Samsung at Walmart that had the next gen Sammy S-PVA immediately after the above pic...


Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/1/12 at 12:19pm
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post #135 of 2658
11/1/12 at 12:11pm
Looks like a really nice TV for the price. One thing I've read that has me concerned is the base it sits on. This TV will not be wall mounted. Is the base flimsy? This will be put on a stand in a stationary position. The stand will house the DirecTV box, blu ray player, and maybe a gaming system but unlikely. We'll also be using a soundbar as opposed to a surround sound system.

Also, anyone using this with a soundbar of any kind? This will be a rec room TV for the kids. We'll watch some blu ray on it but mostly regular TV and sports. Any soundbar recommendations? I have an Onkyo SR805 with SVS speakers hooked up to the good TV. I know I won't duplicate that sound system, but I'd at least like something nice.

Thanks.
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post #136 of 2658
11/1/12 at 12:15pm
Get a nice old stereo amplifier/receiver (you can even get a really small one - Radio Shack made a few with the Realistic brand name) and a pair of two way speakers with 5" to 8" woofers. That's my advice.
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post #137 of 2658
11/1/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

More than OK, its Samsung/Sony's (they produce panels in Korea in a joint venture) best panel from the last couple of years. Great blacks. They just this year came out with a new panel that is supposed to be superior which I spied on a Top of the Line Samsung at Best Buy (forget which model). Dont know too much about that one.
I like the Sharp NON-Quattron X Gen ASV UV2A panel better on a raw basis, but it also depends on what you do with it (filters, processing) not to mention the rest of the package around it, calibration tools, frame interpolation and that sort of thing.....plus convenience features like good menu design, Picture in Picture, programming guides for the OTA tuners.....then of course 3D and Smart Internet Streaming (both of which I dont care for in a TV).
The long running LG S-IPS panel is top notch too, but doesnt have near as good of blacks as these other panels (but this can be fixed via neutral grey filters and image processing). This is what I have and am most familiar with. It beats other panels in off axis color fidelity and wider viewing angles generally speaking.
The 3rd Gen MVA panels from AU Optronics is very good too, top notch. It is very similar in characteristics to the S-PVA panel on this Vizio E601-A3.
Here is the LG S-IPS sub pixel structure...

LG and Samsung/Sony are made in Korea.
Sharp is made in Japan.
AU Optronics is made in Taiwan.
Hope that helps.
If I was in the market for a 60" set, I would be looking at this Vizio and the Sharp 640/6400 closely, in PQ and features and then factor in price. Cant say which choice Id make, though Im not a rich man. Id have to really look into reported issues, menus, calibration tools, inputs and outputs, aesthetics, screen reflectivity, compare remotes, motion blur, standard definition playback, OTA programming guides (as I use OTA broadcast), input lag if you are a gamer, use as a computer monitor (overscan and no overscan settings) and so on and so forth. Id probably be happy with either.
My brother is looking at sets right now and depending on sales and pricing the 2 top contenders are the Vizio 55" M3D550SL which uses an S-IPS panel and the Vizio 60" E601-A3. The Sharp is out of contention on price. 3D doesnt really come into the equation as it's a gimmick IMO, but a fun little extra I guess and I like the passive 3D that this set offers over active glasses versions. The menu systems are similar as is the Smart TV functions. So it comes down to picture quality and characteristics and price really....with the 55" about $100 to $150 cheaper, the 60" being bigger, and the 2 different panels and their pros and cons relative to each other. He almost definitely would be happy with either. He currently has a Sony 40" EX400 which has a AU Optronics MVA 3rd Gen panel. So either will be a huge jump in size. The $150 price difference is probably critical as he isnt a rich man either, but I told him Id spring for the extra as a Christmas bonus for his families Christmas gift, to make the choice a purely non-financial one.

I am also comparing the same two as your brother, and have pretty much given up in the Sharp due to the price. I really do appreciate your posts, as they are very informative and really does add to my "arsenal of knowledge" which will hopefully aid to determining what will eventually get to my living room. Although, I tend to become somewhat "anal" in my research which does not help.
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post #138 of 2658
11/1/12 at 12:28pm
Watch out for analysis paralysis! You cant be any more anal than me. wink.gif


I just glanced at these 2 sets the other day. Seems to me the M3D550SL had a pretty reflective screen. That whole series the 47" as well, did. Cant remember how it compared to the E601-A3 though, however I think it is more reflective, because of that dark filter it inevitably has on the front, to get the blacks down with regards to the S-IPS panel.

Ill check them out again next week when I get into town.
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post #139 of 2658
11/1/12 at 12:35pm
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Looks like a really nice TV for the price. One thing I've read that has me concerned is the base it sits on. This TV will not be wall mounted. Is the base flimsy? This will be put on a stand in a stationary position. The stand will house the DirecTV box, blu ray player, and maybe a gaming system but unlikely. We'll also be using a soundbar as opposed to a surround sound system.
Also, anyone using this with a soundbar of any kind? This will be a rec room TV for the kids. We'll watch some blu ray on it but mostly regular TV and sports. Any soundbar recommendations? I have an Onkyo SR805 with SVS speakers hooked up to the good TV. I know I won't duplicate that sound system, but I'd at least like something nice.
Thanks.

I was thinking about writing review for Amazon and one of the areas I considered that hasn't had much discussion is the relatively flimsy stand. If I had small children I would most likely brace the TV itself with wire running from the mounting points on the back of the set to the wall. I'm not sure the set weighs enough to kill a kid but I would not want to find out. I don't have small children or live in a earthquake prone part of the country but if I did, I would add wire braces without question.

I do use a Sharp sound bar that was on my old Toshiba this set replaced and the sound is more than adequate for the bedroom the set is in. If in a large living area I might want something a bit more powerful, in fact I've been looking at Vizio sound bars as I may get the 70" version of this set for my living room.
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post #140 of 2658
11/1/12 at 1:29pm
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Watch out for analysis paralysis! You cant be any more anal than me. wink.gif
I just glanced at these 2 sets the other day. Seems to me the M3D550SL had a pretty reflective screen. That whole series the 47" as well, did. Cant remember how it compared to the E601-A3 though, however I think it is more reflective, because of that dark filter it inevitably has on the front, to get the blacks down with regards to the S-IPS panel.
Ill check them out again next week when I get into town.

Yeah, because of my anal retentive symptoms regarding "analysis paralysis" I think I have to go on meds...............But, it is fun and I gain a lot of knowledge from folks like you and on AVS.

Does anybody know what the difference with Vizio's "E" series and "M" series are? Does Vizio have more than the two series?
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post #141 of 2658
11/1/12 at 2:34pm
The M and E are mysterious nomenclature, that may have signified something at one time, but no longer.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/1/12 at 5:55pm
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11/1/12 at 3:58pm
Will the 70" version be using this same highly regarded screen?
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11/1/12 at 5:50pm
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Will the 70" version be using this same highly regarded screen?

Wont know for sure until they go up on display for inspection. Im not sure that they make 70" panels in that subpixel style, even. Could be? shrugs

I know Sharp does, could be a Sharp panel, which if it's the X Gen ASV UV2A non Quatron would be even better IMO, but not earth shatteringly so.
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post #144 of 2658
11/1/12 at 6:07pm
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Wont know for sure until they go up on display for inspection. Im not sure that they make 70" panels in that subpixel style, even. Could be? shrugs
I know Sharp does, could be a Sharp panel, which if it's the X Gen ASV UV2A non Quatron would be even better IMO, but not earth shatteringly so.

So, what are your thoughts on just picture quality of the Sharp LC-60LE640U vs. Vizio E601-A3? Would you prefer one over the other or would it be a toss up based on picture quality alone?
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post #145 of 2658
11/1/12 at 6:16pm
I havent really compared the 2 close enough, to make a call like that. Of course some of this stuff is personal preference as well. Id have to study it closer, but they both undoubtedly have good panels and high produce high quality images. I would focus on secondary and tertiary features, probably....as pertained to my specific placement, usage and sources.

Ill add the Sharp 6400 that is at Costco and do a 3 way looksee with the Vizio E601-A3 and the Vizio M3D550SL. And report back, when I get into town, probably Monday or Tuesday.
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post #146 of 2658
11/1/12 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

I havent really compared the 2 close enough, to make a call like that. Of course some of this stuff is personal preference as well. Id have to study it closer, but they both undoubtedly have good panels and high produce high quality images. I would focus on secondary and tertiary features, probably....as pertained to my specific placement, usage and sources.
Ill add the Sharp 6400 that is at Costco and do a 3 way looksee with the Vizio E601-A3 and the Vizio M3D550SL. And report back, when I get into town, probably Monday or Tuesday.

Sounds good, I'm going to Walmart tomorrow to see what they have. I'm hoping they have the Vizio M650VSE 65" on display. I put it in my cart online and it gives option to ship or local pick up at store and shows in stock. Saturday I'm going to go to costco, I think they have the 60" E601-A3 on display and the Sharp 6400. Never thought the day would come that I would be looking at tv's at Walmart and Costco. I've always bought from A/V stores or electronics stores.
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post #147 of 2658
11/1/12 at 6:41pm
Sharp gets all the talk now, and they were pioneering leaders early on too, but then Samsung/Sony with their S-PVA panels became all the rage, whilst LG S-IPS languished unloved for quite some time because of their comparatively light blacks. S-IPS came to be loved. And Sharp returned. And AU Optronics and Chei Mei made a decent name for themselves.

Remember this particular S-PVA panel is what is in the last 2 or 3 years of Samsung's and Sony's highly touted Top of the Line offerings. It's a great panel. So are the Sharp ASV UV2A's and the LG S-IPS's and the AU Optronics MVA3's. Dont get too caught up in the hype. These all are the best that are out there, you cant go too wrong with any of them. There are compromises with any tech. Id be happy to own any of them.

I really like that Vizio is offering an S-PVA panel on this 60" set, whereas their usual fair is S-IPS. They also have the E420VSE that I mentioned with a nice AUO MVA3 panel. Im glad Vizio is offering more choice in panels. They are such a great value and now you have even more choice within their lineups. Kudos! And good for us!
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post #148 of 2658
11/1/12 at 7:40pm
After reading this thread and reviews online, I went ahead and picked this up at my local Costco. I haven't fully moved everything into my house yet, so it's just sitting in my parents house. I will probably wall mount this thing. What wall mount does anyone suggest or that is using? I've been looking at wall mounts on amazon/walmart(giftcard) and other online sites but not really sure on which one to get. I don't really want to spend more than $100. Thanks for everyones help and this thread.
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post #149 of 2658
11/1/12 at 8:17pm
Try Monoprice for inexpensive mounts that seem to serve many happily.
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post #150 of 2658
11/1/12 at 9:17pm
Thanks for the website! Great products and prices.
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