I didn't think it had anything to do with the source, I was just answering his question. My main concern was do I have a defective set or is this acceptable to Vizio's standards.

I agree with clanmjc what are your backlight and brightness settings? I have the same exact settings as clanmjc and the issues are there but, I only notice if I'm in a completly darkened room looking a a completely black signal on the screen and my eyes have been adjusted to the darkness for several seconds. I think in the HT review it says you can balance the cloudly blacks by using the brightness & backlighting and almost eliminate it.
Edited by Tom Bley - 11/7/12 at 5:34pm

Well then chat with Vizio. It seems like they are letting it go, because I have this as well and so do others. I don't think you'll find a set without it unless vizio catches it and makes a change in the manufacturing process or enough people complain about it so Vizio does something.
Edited by Tom Bley - 11/7/12 at 1:51pm

You are paying 1K for a 60 inch LED. That said, even Samsung's flagship line suffers from the same issues, namely of clouding, banding, backlight bleeding and screen uniformity. It is an issue inherent to the edge lit LED screens. Every screen will be subtly different even within the same model number, some better some worse. The majority of these issues can be improved with proper backlight and brightness settings, and also seem to dull with time.

My question was more tailored towards -> ok so was it a commercial on OTA HD? Ok so what commercial was it and what part? Or Blu Ray? Ok what disc what time? So we can all go to this same spot and look at our TV.

Your picture looks like the entire left side of your screen is darker, almost like in photography vignetting... I ask because if what you are viewing purposely has this in it. I'm sure that is probably not the case which is why you are bringing it up, but I dissect every little detail to find the root cause. Examining your picture closer I can faintly see a small triangler darker spot in the far bottom left, is this what you are referring to and not the entire darker left side of the screen?

I feel like backlight and brightness play a big roll in artifacts in LED's, an analogy for me would be zooming into a photograph heading towards 100% crop. As you zoom in you see more and more artifacts/softness/imperfections that you couldn't see before. As we raise brightness backlight event contrast and color things start to happen. No two panels are identical, I don't see what you are seeing, I also haven't viewed a pure white screen (anyone have material that has pure white?) or pure black, only mostly black scenes from movies. If I don't see it in my Blu Rays then as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. If I see blooming on my screen when the no signal window is popped up but I don't when I'm watching Aliens then I don't care. We paid 1k for a 60" and I would expect it to be 720p for this price to be honest, but what I have in my opinion is worth more.

I think that it's a more generalized problem inherent in Edge Lit LED backlighting, especially in these larger panels. I just saw a post with someone complaining of the same thing with regards to a Sony 645.

I wonder if this is the result of trying to compensate for the more usual flashlighting (light streaks) , by toning down the the number/placement of LEDs in the corners? Could be?
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/7/12 at 8:01pm

I got back to Costco and got to view undisturbed this time and have another mea culpa.

The Vizio E601-A3 is using the Sharp X-Gen ASV (non-UV2A) panel. This is the same panel as in the Samsung 60 inchers at Costco the 6150 and 7150....as I originally stated. It looks like this.



The Vizio M650VSE is up at Costco now and Im pretty sure it is using a Samsung S-PVA panel. Which looks like this.



The Sharp 60" 640/6400 is using the Sharp X Gen ASV UV2A which looks like this.....so this isnt the same panel as is in the Vizio E601-A3.




If you ignore this post, I dont blame you as the previous panel structure post have been sketchy. Im starting to doubt myself. But this time I wasnt abruptly interupted and rushed away from what I was doing, nor was I looking a hundreds of different panels. But there it is.

Furthermore, a couple of notes with regards to the Sharp 60C6400U at Costco and the newly put up on display 60LE640U at Walmart which seem to be extremely similar....

I really liked the matte finished faux brushed aluminum plastic thin bezels on these. The Vizio E601-A3 is piano black glossy and reflects light, though it is equally thin, and pretty aesthetically pleasing otherwise. I give the nod to Sharp here. Nice detail.

On the other hand, the Sharp has side inputs and rear inputs....as does the Vizio. however the rear inputs on the Vizio are downward facing on an indented lip, which allows for a more flush wall mount. Nice touch. The Sharp's rear panel inputs come out perpendicular to the panel, so say your Component cables would be sticking perpendicularly out from the unit. This wont be an issue is not wall mounting. On the other hand the Sharp has a few more inputs and the Vizio shares a Composite/Component input - something I really dont care for, I strongly prefer seperate Component and Composite inputs.

I prefer the Sharp's Anti Reflective coating. Though the Vizio's is acceptable.

I have used a PS3 and a PC with this tv for gaming for a couple of weeks now. Game Mode works fine, and I don't notice any lag going from a PC monitor to the Vizion. I've played Black Ops (PS3), MW3 (PS3), Lumines (PS3), Skyrim (PC), Blacklight Retribution (PC), Fallout New Vegas (PC). Haven't had any lag with these titles. Be aware though, that out of the box the lag is terrible. But Game Mode fixes it immediately.

Thanks for the report WaterBottle. Yeah, I understand why some of the processing creates the lag, and how the Game Mode turns those video processing features off. Good information though, for those who dont.

My set is being delivered Saturday via Amazon. Pretty excited, moving from a 42" 1080p Westinghouse from 2007.

59 and 45. Actually, until I turn those settings down to almost zero I can see it. Here is a photo:



My camera brightened the picture up a bit, but you can get the idea. This is in a completely dark room.

I see what your saying. Were you standing when you took this photo? Looks like you were. I changed inputs on my AVR to a no-signal line for the black screen, turned off all my lights. I can see a few very faint clouds in a pitch black room ... I'm talking so faint that maybe I'm tricking myself that they are there just from the ambient light of the letters that say "No Signal". It's nearly invisible (if it's actually there) when I'm dead center. No blu ray I own has any scene that would even remotely closely let me trick myself into thinking I see the clouding. There is only one movie I can think of that would even matter, and it is terrible and I'm embarrassed that I even watched it... "Buried". DO you see this anywhere else other than black screen and with the lights off? How much worse does your picture actually make it look?

Here is my thing. If I have to setup my system a certain way to see a defect but under normal operation it is not there, is it something I can live with? For me, yes, for others maybe not. My TV looks nothing like your TV's picture, so you'll have to be the judge. If you got it somewhere that you can just walk in and exchange it, why not exchange it?

I tried to put the camera about eye level, although it's probably a bit higher. I tested it and sitting on the couch makes it worse than standing. It really doesn't matter what lighting condition though, I can see it (although I guess it's slightly better with all the lights on). The problem is it happens with any black screen so I see it between shows and commercials, which is quite a bit. In fact, I just switched to an unused input and I see it. I can't really tell when there are images on the screen. I may try something like Harry Potter and see if I can see it. The pic makes it look a bit worse, but not much. I've got one pic that REALLY brightened things up and it makes the screen look like a plasma field

I bought it from Sam's, so I think I'll just exchange it. I guess it couldn't hurt. I really think if you guys were seeing this on your own screens you'd all be complaining, so I think mine is an anomaly. Hopefully I find it's not me being extra critical.

Thanks for the push.

Norm,

I have almost the identical screen situation.

I have bright clouds on the left and right of the screen.. I can minimize them a great deal by adjusting the backlight but they are still there unless I reduce the backlight to almost zero. I am anxious to hear if your TV replacement looks the same to you. I will give mine a few days to see if things change or if I can live with the glow on dark screens.

I am happy with the TV otherwise but the clouding is annoying for sure.

Lee

Got the set today. It is beautiful! I used the settings posted earlier in this thread by Kev4Bama and it really looks terrific so far. Smooth Motion is off and the NBA game I am watching now has been clean with almost no motion blur. This TV is a very good choice for sports watchers.

I have played about an hour of Skyrim on XBox 360. I switched on the Game Mode just to see what type of effect it would have. No opinion there but I'll experiment more. There was NO lag at all between control input and player actions. I should note I have an older 360 using component cables but not sure if that has any impact.

I am not experiencing any audio sync issues from any tested source thus far. I have the TV speakers disabled and am running HDMI through my Onkyo receiver for sound.

Viewing distance is about 12' from the TV. My viewing angle is fairly straight on but I do have one love seat that sits to the side. It washes some as you move to a more extreme viewing angle but I still think it looks fine.

I have the Wi-FI hooked up and Amazon Prime. Will get that going and post some thoughts.

The stand is small but solid. The footprint is probably not quite big enough for the size of the set but, for the most part, it's fine.The bezel and design are simple but elegant.

One note- all the video inputs are on the left side (facing the set) for this TV. I had all my consoles and Blu Ray on its own center to the right of the TV and found most of my cables were to short to reach. Required a complete disconnect of all and moved everything to the left side of the Vizio to accommodate. MAJOR pain in the rear. But it was that or buy longer HDMI cables.
Edited by Sonnyboy - 11/7/12 at 10:03pm

Vizio is taking preorders on the 70" now. I love this 60" so much I think I will get the 70" for the living room. LOL, I'm getting tired of staying in the bedroom watching the 60' all the time. I was going to give my 47" Toshiba to my sister but she doesn't want it now so i I'll have to go into the used TV business to get rid of the Toshiba and the Olevia. Wonder if they'll have it available for Black Friday? $1700 has a much nicer ring to it than $1995! These are outstanding days for couch potatoes everywhere!


I received new 1.4 high speed HDMI cables from Monoprice and installed them to the three devices on the set and haven't experienced lip sync issues since. I's only been a day or so and I won't call it cured but I'm cautiously optimistic. The cables I was using were a mishmash of unknowns acquired since HDMI came out and probably should have been retired in 2009. These new cables are ARC compliant and I have no idea if that matters but I'm having good results with them.
Edited by RichardCarver - 11/8/12 at 4:20am

I just received an email from Walmart on their Black Friday in store deals, the E601-A3 will be on sale for $688.00. Great deal!!

 

Confirmed. Wow what a great deal! http://bfads.net/Walmart-Black-Friday-Vizio-60-LED-1080p-120Hz-Smart-TV-w-Wifi

Brother is definitely in for one now! I might pick up one too!

Does anyone know if you can purchase say two weeks beforehand for say $998 and then get the low price guarantee, refund, on Black Friday?
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/8/12 at 7:42am

I don't know, but I'm thinking I'm going to return mine to Costco and pick it up for 688 at Walmart. I seriously doubt Costco will price match a Black Friday deal (although I would be within their 30 day price drop, but I think that is just for them and not competitors.)

Guys, good luck getting one at wally world on BF....bet they will sell 2-3 at that price.

 

Unfortunately no, I checked theri website and found this.

 

Price adjustments are not available for items designated as Clearance, Value of the Day or Special Buy; for items purchased up to seven days before Thanksgiving Day, Black Friday or Cyber Week; and for items purchased using an Associate Discount Card.

so, will they price adjust if it's purchased SIX days before Thanksgiving Day? :-)
I should call them ...

I'm just wondering how many sets each store will have and how long I'll have to wait to see if I can even get one. It's a great price though if we're lucky enough. I don't think you can buy them and then take back in for a price adjustment to Black Friday prices, but I could be wrong.

i didn't think about the differences in monitors, but here at work i can barely see the bright spots on that image while on my monitor at home they seemed over emphasized. Please don't think I'm crazy. Well, you can think that, just don't base it on this post.

That is what I want to know.


Also for those who may not know, the 65" Vizio M650VSE will be $998 at Sam's Club on Black Friday.

Novice here...

I have had this set for a couple weeks and I am having the audio issue where the picture is not in sync. It is pretty rare. Last night I had it on the ESPN NBA pre-game studio show and it was very noticably off.

I am running the sound through a Vizio soundbar (optical cable) so the TV volume is at zero. I initially had a random hdmi cable running from my cable STB into the TV but swapped that out for a recently purchased hdmi cable so I could be sure it is the latest version (it is an Amazon Basics cable).

So I continue to monitor that.

Second... on my cable STB I have the settings set so there is a check mark next to 720P and 1080i... I notice that when I channel surf to certain channels there is a very noticable/loud "zap" or whatever which I can eliminate if I, say, select only 1080i in the STB settings. I assume this has something to do with the way the given networks broadcast. Is the easy answer here to just check the 1080i (and leave the 720P unchecked)? Anyone notice a similar issue?

thanks!

Is this set using the same panel as the E601-A3?

No, the M650VSE is using what appears to be a late generation Samsung made S-PVA panel.