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post #241 of 3799
Ok, I see the Wal-Mart deal on this. My gf is going to flip her lid if I go for a 60" in our apartment (moving from a 20" CRT...yes, you heard me) smile.gif and honestly, for the space, I agree, it might be a bit big. However, we were looking at the M3D470KD set at Sam's on Black Friday. This 60" set will be only ~$40 more over that 47".

Things I see with it off the bat:

1) The 60" looks like it will handle 24p content correctly that the 47" would not.
2) The black levels and overall picture quality might be better on the 47"?
3) 47" has 3D and the 60" does not.

I'm planning on building a SageTV HTPC system for this (already have a valid license, boo to Google buying them out). Pretty much everything will run through that system (blu-ray discs, recorded / ripped movie & tv, etc). As such, the apps don't mean a dang thing to me since I'm hooked up to an internet source to begin with. I have a major concern regarding the viewing angles however of perhaps BOTH TVs. We will initially be using, and probably for some time, the old entertainment center as stand. This necessitates sitting said TV on TOP of the entertainment center. That means the TV would be placed starting at 4' (48") up. We are sitting catty-corner to the TV (couch along wall, entertainment stand in corner at 45 degree angle) so the viewing distance is about 8' to 10' for us on the couch.

Is the downward angle going to kill the picture quality in the 60" set, and would it be better on the 47"? Could really use your opinions / feedback.

I'm open to other models / suggestions as well, but want to stay under $900. Plasma isn't a good option for us as the room has too much ambient light. I tend to hate the really glossy screens because I hate the light pickup as well.
post #242 of 3799
I don't think it will do anything to the picture quality from the main viewing position, it may kill your neck though (same for the 47"). Unless you want 3d, I'd go for 60, we sit only 9' from it, I am now thinking of returning it to get the 65" ONLY because Sam's is having the black Friday for 998 (5 more inch same price? I'm in). I'd go 70" but it's going to take too long. Also, I love the set (60").
post #243 of 3799
The 65" would be tempting if it used the same screen as the 60" (XGEN ASV UV2). I hope the 70" uses this screen.
post #244 of 3799
I just put in a quick call to Amazon. As expected, they won't price match for anything to do with Black Friday (limited time deals, etc). If I want to brave the WalMart sale, and I do manage to get one, they (Amazon) will take back the one I got from them this week. Shipping will put me out around $50. They also said that if they do a deal on the same set for Black Friday, they will honor the price match but I need to call them to ask for it. Perfectly reasonable stuff, I think.
post #245 of 3799
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

The 65" would be tempting if it used the same screen as the 60" (XGEN ASV UV2). I hope the 70" uses this screen.

The specs on the 70 are exactly the same as the 60 so the extra thousand is all panel, let's hope it's a good one.
post #246 of 3799
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

The 65" would be tempting if it used the same screen as the 60" (XGEN ASV UV2). I hope the 70" uses this screen.

I looked at it again and it isnt a UV2A panel, but still a Sharp X-Gen ASV panel.
post #247 of 3799
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

I looked at it again and it isnt a UV2A panel, but still a Sharp X-Gen ASV panel.
Just curious but what does the UV2A ad to the technology? Can you rate say the top 5 panels out there for 2012? Can all of these panels be adapted to incorporate 3D and either edge lit or full array?
post #248 of 3799
Can anyone speak to the PQ when watching football? My Sharp turns the football blurry and makes sports unwatchable. Also how is the SOE on this set?
post #249 of 3799
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Just curious but what does the UV2A ad to the technology? Can you rate say the top 5 panels out there for 2012? Can all of these panels be adapted to incorporate 3D and either edge lit or full array?

UV2A is a production method that is different, which is achieved another way on other panels. It's not overly exciting. They are both X Gen panels, but the crystal structures are different. I cant say which has better characteristics (blacks, reduced blur, more light throughput, etc) between them. The 70" 6400u Sharp at Walmart is using the same X Gen ASV non UV2a panel as this Vizio as are the 60" Samsung 6150 and 3D 7150 at Cosco.

You can backlight any panel any way you want to.

All panels can display 3D and though it may be possible that some do it better than others, I wouldnt bet the farm on it.

The Vizio 60" is definitely one of the better panels out there. It has good native blacks as well.
post #250 of 3799
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Originally Posted by smp0887123 View Post

Can anyone speak to the PQ when watching football? My Sharp turns the football blurry and makes sports unwatchable. Also how is the SOE on this set?

Been watching Colts/Jags here. Let me get to the end of the game and I'll see if I can provide some insight. I watched NBA last night and thought it did a great job.
post #251 of 3799
Sweet thank you very much! On my Sharp the football looks like 3 football blurs when the 120 hz is turned on. I am thinking about swapping out for this Vizio.
post #252 of 3799
I"m about to mount this thing at the weekend and was curious how high I should mount it. I have a slim tilting mount, btw. Thanks...
post #253 of 3799
Optimal viewing is with your eye at center of panel at your normal sitting position. Please dont mount this over your fireplace. My neck hurts just thinking about it.
post #254 of 3799
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Optimal viewing is with your eye at center of panel at your normal sitting position. Please dont mount this over your fireplace. My neck hurts just thinking about it.
With regards to my situation, rather than his, the loveseat we have reclines and we are almost always reclined. The 48" of the old entertainment center to set on top of I was more concerned about the loss of PQ from the angle down given one review mentioned it wasn't just a narrow seating angle, but also the up / down angles you had to watch on this one.
post #255 of 3799
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Originally Posted by sumrtym View Post

With regards to my situation, rather than his, the loveseat we have reclines and we are almost always reclined. The 48" of the old entertainment center to set on top of I was more concerned about the loss of PQ from the angle down given one review mentioned it wasn't just a narrow seating angle, but also the up / down angles you had to watch on this one.

I think you will be OK. I would look into getting an inexpensive new TV Stand specifically designed for larger flat panels.

Like this...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/TV-Stand-with-Three-Cabinets-for-TVs-up-to-50/13219991

or this...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Carson-TV-Stand-for-TVs-up-to-50-Multiple-Finishes/16420059
post #256 of 3799
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Optimal viewing is with your eye at center of panel at your normal sitting position. Please dont mount this over your fireplace. My neck hurts just thinking about it.

Thanks, I'll try to get some pics when I'm done mounting it. I'm still unsure if I should mount the sound bar underneath it, or just put the soundbar on a TV stand...
post #257 of 3799
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Originally Posted by smp0887123 View Post

Can anyone speak to the PQ when watching football? My Sharp turns the football blurry and makes sports unwatchable. Also how is the SOE on this set?
I think the sports look awesome on this set. I have a 32" 60hz set and there is a red blur behind any fast motion, which makes football unwatchable. I see nothing like this when watching football on this set. The only problem is NBC compresses their signal so much it's way more noticeable now. I guess maybe it's so clear you see the real picture.
post #258 of 3799
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Originally Posted by smp0887123 View Post

Can anyone speak to the PQ when watching football? My Sharp turns the football blurry and makes sports unwatchable. Also how is the SOE on this set?


I've watched three or four football games since I purchased the tv. I think alot of the blurriness depends on your HD video source. For example, NFL games on CBS look terrible for me (with virtually any moving object having a cloud of blurriness around it). But the weekly game on NBC looks much better and the games on FOX look much better. And, this wasn't limited to the Vizio - I had these same problems on my other HD televisions as well. I think I just have crappy OTA HD in general.

I will say that the Vizio handles motion better than my other HD TVs (Samsung LN55B640 and a 42" LG). Comparing it with the Samsung on the same football games, I think the Vizio's picture is crisper and there is slightly less blur around players. Personally I think the Vizio handles sports well, but I also don't watch that many games. So, maybe others can share their opinions as well.
post #259 of 3799
Hi Folks - another happy Vizio owner here.

I've had the set now for about 10 days and couldn't be happier. I've only experienced a lip sync problem once (HD Cable source) and it disappeared with a quick change of the channel. I'm presently using kev4bama's settings with the backlight and brightness both decreased about two units for most of my viewing. I do like the CNET settings when movie watching at night. I have this set in my familiy room that opens up to an eat in kitchen and then the kitchen. The wall to the left of the set has two windows and a slider on it; additionally the kitchen table chandelier is directly in line with the set, but about 24 away.t. I'm quite pleased with the non-reflective nature of the screen. While not as matt as my Samsung LNT 4661, which looks like a chalboard, it handles ambiet light and glare very well - and is THE MAIN REASON I purchased this set. With so many folks using these type of sets in family room settings (i.e. difficult to control light envinronment), I don't understand why almost all LED sets are moving to glossy reflective screens!!! Kudos to Vizio for making a matt screen.


The tv's audio is adequate, but my Onkyo and SVS speakers/sub get a workout when watching movies

As far a viewing angle is concerned, I don't see a problem. The room I have this in is 13' wide by 20 long and the TV sits along the 13' wide wall opposite the kitchen. I have two couches along each of the 20' sidewalls and picture quality does not degrade at all from the couches.

For those wanting an anti-reflectie sceen in the 60" size, you might be hard pressed to find better, especially at this price. The only other sets I was considering was LGs top of the line plasma (which actually has a very matt screen) and the Samsung 6500 series TV, which is considerably more reflective than this Vizio. With the financial woes associated with Sharp, I stayed clear of those sets.

GN
post #260 of 3799
Looks like the football question has been covered pretty well. This set does a great job with motion blur. You can track the football perfectly on any play.

Even though I am still in the honeymoon phase with this TV, I need to give another shout out to its abilities as an excellent choice for gamers. I have about 5 hours of Skyrim XBox360 on it now and it is pretty much perfection. The colors are sharp and crisp with no motion lag between input and actions. I'll get my PS3 hooked up too (maybe try some Borderlands 2 on that one) and report back. But I am expecting much the same results.
post #261 of 3799
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Originally Posted by Sonnyboy View Post

Looks like the football question has been covered pretty well. This set does a great job with motion blur. You can track the football perfectly on any play.
Even though I am still in the honeymoon phase with this TV, I need to give another shout out to its abilities as an excellent choice for gamers. I have about 5 hours of Skyrim XBox360 on it now and it is pretty much perfection. The colors are sharp and crisp with no motion lag between input and actions. I'll get my PS3 hooked up too (maybe try some Borderlands 2 on that one) and report back. But I am expecting much the same results.

When you guys are watching football and other sports do you have the motion smoothness stuff turned off?
post #262 of 3799
How is the soap opera effect ? I love the look it gives and am wondering how real it looks on this set. Can it be set to make it really standout?
post #263 of 3799
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Originally Posted by ListedGuru View Post

When you guys are watching football and other sports do you have the motion smoothness stuff turned off?

The set has multiple sports settings which crank up brightness, saturation and smoothness.
post #264 of 3799
Has anybody settled on some solid settings? So far all I've seen is one that was using VIVID as a picture mode and that's not usually considered the best. Anybody using CUSTOM with good results?
post #265 of 3799
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Has anybody settled on some solid settings? So far all I've seen is one that was using VIVID as a picture mode and that's not usually considered the best. Anybody using CUSTOM with good results?

I'm now using movie with the same vivid settings (I was the vivid guy) and the picture is exactly the same. I can't see any difference but that doesn't mean that settings we can't change without a service remote are not different between the modes, but viisually there is no difference.

As an update and to keep the reviews honest, I experienced my first in movie bloom, it was tron, opnening scene where he is talking about the grid. Other than that, unless I purposely put a pitch black screen there is no bloom.

I moved my seating position up from 9' to 7' and I'm loving the immersion. I have great sound, strong sub in the pa-150 subwoofer and with this setup I don't think I can go to the theater anymore. Now I need a dedicated projector for the big screen. Anyways this tv is badaa.
post #266 of 3799
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Originally Posted by Rayjr View Post

I just found this thread today...and am very glad to see that so many AVS members like the TV.
I am the calibrator that Home theater review used for this set.
I will see if I have the calibration report for the unit we tested and calibrated.
Later
RayJr

Hoping to see you again RayJr. We are all very interested in your calibration report, if you still have it.
post #267 of 3799
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Originally Posted by ListedGuru View Post

When you guys are watching football and other sports do you have the motion smoothness stuff turned off?

Yes. I followed the settings posted earlier in this thread right out of the gate- so Smooth Motion Effect is off. I can't speak to what it looks like with it turned on.
post #268 of 3799
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

I got back to Costco and got to view undisturbed this time and have another mea culpa.
The Vizio E601-A3 is using the Sharp X-Gen ASV (non-UV2A) panel. This is the same panel as in the Samsung 60 inchers at Costco the 6150 and 7150....as I originally stated. It looks like this.

The Vizio M650VSE is up at Costco now and Im pretty sure it is using a Samsung S-PVA panel. Which looks like this.

The Sharp 60" 640/6400 is using the Sharp X Gen ASV UV2A which looks like this.....so this isnt the same panel as is in the Vizio E601-A3.

If you ignore this post, I dont blame you as the previous panel structure post have been sketchy. Im starting to doubt myself. But this time I wasnt abruptly interupted and rushed away from what I was doing, nor was I looking a hundreds of different panels. But there it is.

I am trying to decide on this Vizio M650VSE or this 60" E series one. So is the Vizio M650VSE Smasung panel a better panel?
post #269 of 3799
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Originally Posted by jfcarbel View Post

I am trying to decide on this Vizio M650VSE or this 60" E series one. So is the Vizio M650VSE Smasung panel a better panel?

That is a tough question. They are both good panels. I think that they S-PVA panel has better native blacks, by a hair. But there are other characteristics to consider, and I dont have enough knowledge to speak authoritatively on that.

If youve got the loot, and want bigger, I would go with the M650VSE without hesitation. The aesthetics are good, the panel is a known quantity and is good. Both the 60" and 65" are going to share a lot of things, like the available port configuration, which seems to be standardized across most of Vizio's line, no doubt to reduce cost via economies of scale....also the menu system and video processing will be the same. Probably a MediaTek chipset processing solution which is good. The level of Anti Reflective coating is similar on these 2 sets with the 60" perhaps having a slight bit more diffusion. I think the sound is thin on both units, due to small baffling area from the thin bezel designs and the downward firing speakers.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/9/12 at 9:15pm
post #270 of 3799
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

That is a tough question. They are both good panels. I think that they S-PVA panel has better native blacks, by a hair. But there are other characteristics to consider, and I dont have enough knowledge to speak authoritatively on that.
If youve got the loot, and want bigger, I would go with the M650VSE without hesitation. The aesthetics are good, the panel is a known quantity and is good. Both the 60" and 65" are going to share a lot of things, like the available port configuration, which seems to be standardized across most of Vizio's line, no doubt to reduce cost via economies of scale....also the menu system and video processing will be the same. Probably a MediaTek chipset processing solution which is good. The level of Anti Reflective coating is similar on these 2 sets with the 60" perhaps having a slight bit more diffusion. I think the sound is thin on both units, due to small baffling area from the thin bezel designs and the downward firing speakers.

Thanks, I do alot of movie watching so black levels is important. Its hard since you can't find a single professional level review on the M650VSE anywhere. But there are now 2 good reviews on the 60" E series one.

My current set in living room is a Sony KDS-A3000 SXRD RP that I just love the picture on it. This next one will be for the bedroom. I am sure that this M650VSE will best my current RP set that is 6 years old tech.

Personally I love every Samsung picture I see and just recently purchased their version of an IPS like computer monitor the S24A850DW and the movie PQ, colors, and text sharpness on it are out of this world. There is some backlight bleed on the edges, but I was willing to live with that.
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