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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

It isn't a toslink issue, it is the TV not passing DTS issue.  Not many do as there is no need since broadcast is all DD.  Toslink will pass DTS just fine.  Even very old receivers support DTS.  Pretty much any new,. cheap receiver would take care of your needs.  Just make sure it had enough HDMI inputs.

DTS-HD
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Originally Posted by crucial View Post


DTS-HD

But DTS-HD tracks include the DTS core so it is backwards compatible.  If you play a DTS-HD track on a device that only supports DTS you will still get sound.

 

This is why the dolby TrueHD tracks work fine, the DD core gets played.


Edited by primetimeguy - 1/20/14 at 1:55pm
post #3363 of 3771
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

But DTS-HD tracks include the DTS core so it is backwards compatible.  If you play a DTS-HD track on a device that only supports DTS you will still get sound.

This is why the dolby TrueHD tracks work fine, the DD core gets played.

I see what you are saying. After reading a little more I see that DTS-HD is basically the DTS core stream + the extended channels like you describe. Including DD pass through and not DTS would be unfortunate as it seems there is more DTS content on Blu Rays than DD.
post #3364 of 3771
Unless the Vizio is incapable of "un-zipping" the HD audio and just pass the DTS core via optical.
post #3365 of 3771
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Unless the Vizio is incapable of "un-zipping" the HD audio and just pass the DTS core via optical.
Could be but doubtful. The HD code is actually designed the other way, everything sees it as DTS and then applies the extension if it understands it. So rather than unzipping it is more like adding on additional info only if it can read it making it backwards compatible.
post #3366 of 3771
^^^^ then I would connect everything to the avr first via HDMI and just send the video to the tv.
post #3367 of 3771
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Originally Posted by maxpowerphd View Post

I have noticed dark solid colors will flicker on my TV. And at times blacks will look really pixelated and flicker with the boxes of pixels flickering between green and black. Is this a problem with this TV? If not, what causes this to happen?
I have ask this question to on this thread and get the same " it's a compression thing" but I swear mine is getting worse and worse. Sometimes people have a slight blue tint, the next day a slight green tint. I was watching REVOLUTION on NBCHD yesterday and it was so pixelated in dark scenes it was almost hard to watch!! This just became a noticeable problem about 3-4 weeks ago
post #3368 of 3771
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Originally Posted by jason2799 View Post

I have ask this question to on this thread and get the same " it's a compression thing" but I swear mine is getting worse and worse. Sometimes people have a slight blue tint, the next day a slight green tint. I was watching REVOLUTION on NBCHD yesterday and it was so pixelated in dark scenes it was almost hard to watch!! This just became a noticeable problem about 3-4 weeks ago
Not saying it couldn't be something else but sure sounds like compression. Does it happen more on just one channel? Does it happen on Blu-ray?
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Not saying it couldn't be something else but sure sounds like compression. Does it happen more on just one channel? Does it happen on Blu-ray?

I know mine only did it while watching cable, and on every channel. It progressively got worse until it was nearly unwatchable. I did a full reset on my cable box and it looks fine now. I'm not savvy enough to know why a reset of the box helped but it's working fine now. Other than the odd scan lines that I only see on Fox, I'm loving the TV. The only complaint I have now is some uniformity issues, but I expected that given the reviews I read prior to purchase.
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Originally Posted by matthooper View Post

Sooo....if it actually IS the tv not passing-through the DTS signal then that sucks a big donkey.  Why would Vizio cover DD and TrueHD and not DTS?  Makes no sense.

Licensing fees... as stated above, all broadcast is DD, and not many movies came on DVDs with DTS soundtrack, so Vizio figured they can save some money by not paying the DTS licensing fees.
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Originally Posted by crucial View Post

Can you try this, play your Jaws Blu Ray but switch the audio to the French or Spanish track. These are encoded in DTS 5.1 whereas the English track is in DTS-HD 7.1. I remember reading that Toslink can't pass the HD codecs because it doesn't have the bandwidth for it. I am curious if the TV will pass the plain DTS signal on the other language tracks.
Edit: More reading says that it isn't so much a bandwidth issue but a more complicated SPIDF spec/copy protection issue. Still has the same end result, optical connections cannot play the HD audio streams.

Is it a bandwidth issue... S/PDIF (optical/coaxial/toslink) is only capable of 5.1 DTS/DD, or 2.0 96khz PCM (uncompressed) streaming. The lossless codecs have what's called a 'core' component which is either DTS for DTS-HD HR/MA, or DD for TrueHD. The device/software decoding the track needs to see how it outputs the audio, so when SPDIF is being used, it will automatically output the 'core' component of the HD lossless track.
So, regardless of the HD track being TrueHD or DTS-HD (MA or HR), the 'core' component will be output. In this particular case of the E601i, it will not pass DTS via SPDIF, which is the issue Matt is facing.

You said you only have 1 optical-in, does the AVR have coaxial inputs as well? If yes, you can get an optical-to-coaxial converter and plug the other cable to the coaxial-in.

I really think you should put $150-$250 and get a low-end HDMI 1.4 receiver, this will eliminate cabling issues and heartache smile.gif There's no way to stop technology/advancement smile.gif
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Originally Posted by shpitz View Post


Licensing fees... as stated above, all broadcast is DD, and not many movies came on DVDs with DTS soundtrack, so Vizio figured they can save some money by not paying the DTS licensing fees.
Is it a bandwidth issue... S/PDIF (optical/coaxial/toslink) is only capable of 5.1 DTS/DD, or 2.0 96khz PCM (uncompressed) streaming. The lossless codecs have what's called a 'core' component which is either DTS for DTS-HD HR/MA, or DD for TrueHD. The device/software decoding the track needs to see how it outputs the audio, so when SPDIF is being used, it will automatically output the 'core' component of the HD lossless track.
So, regardless of the HD track being TrueHD or DTS-HD (MA or HR), the 'core' component will be output. In this particular case of the E601i, it will not pass DTS via SPDIF, which is the issue Matt is facing.

You said you only have 1 optical-in, does the AVR have coaxial inputs as well? If yes, you can get an optical-to-coaxial converter and plug the other cable to the coaxial-in.

I really think you should put $150-$250 and get a low-end HDMI 1.4 receiver, this will eliminate cabling issues and heartache smile.gif There's no way to stop technology/advancement smile.gif

 

Yes sir, you are absolutely correct.  My AVR has optical AND coaxial input available so I will try hooking my BD player via coaxial and that should solve my problem.  

 

I've Googled the hell out of this subject and am slowly becoming an expert in the area of lossless codecs PCM bandwith SPDIF Toslink stuff.  Did you know that the Toslink cable/connection was invented by Toshiba in 1983?  Fascinating!

 

Anyway... for all the reading I've done it looks like there are two barriers at play here with regards to not getting certain 5.1 sources from my BD player:  1. Toslink will not support 7.1...but it SHOULD support 5.1 and pass it from my tv to my AVR if not for...  2. Vizio does not pass through 5.1 DTS-HD HR/MA

 

I actually have a Vizio 5.1 soundbar on the way to my house as we speak (thanks, Amazon!).  Aaaaand I bought the damn thing BEFORE I hit this website and realized the 5.1 limitations of this tv.  Yes, a low-end HDMI receiver would solve my issues...but I never would have bought a soundbar if I had known all of this.  I would have stuck with the speakers I already have.  

 

And guess what my new fancy Vizio 5.1 soundbar is NOT going to have??  A freaking HDMI port!  But it does have a Toslink port AND a coaxial port.  

 

So here's what I plan on doing... I will continue to run all devices through the TV that will pass through 5.1 without problems (cable box, Xbox, etc), since it seems everything coming through is DD or TrueHD.  Then I will use Toslink to connect the Vizio TV to the Vizio soundbar.  For my BD player I will use coaxial direct to the soundbar to preserve 5.1.

 

I'm thinking this should work...but who the hell knows ha.  I'll find out Wednesday when it gets here.

 

Good work, everyone!  Thanks for your help and suggestions!

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Originally Posted by matthooper View Post

I actually have a Vizio 5.1 soundbar on the way to my house as we speak (thanks, Amazon!).  Aaaaand I bought the damn thing BEFORE I hit this website and realized the 5.1 limitations of this tv.  Yes, a low-end HDMI receiver would solve my issues...but I never would have bought a soundbar if I had known all of this.  I would have stuck with the speakers I already have.  

And guess what my new fancy Vizio 5.1 soundbar is NOT going to have??  A freaking HDMI port!  But it does have a Toslink port AND a coaxial port.  

Nice, which model? I have their VHT510 soundbar (I think they discontinued it), works really well in the living room, love the wireless sub and surround speakers. And yeah, it doesn't have an HDMI input. The sub is pretty lame compared to my theatre setup, but for a living room it's not that bad... I'm using an Harmony One remote to control all components (TV, soundbar, cablebox), works well as well.
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Originally Posted by shpitz View Post


Nice, which model? I have their VHT510 soundbar (I think they discontinued it), works really well in the living room, love the wireless sub and surround speakers. And yeah, it doesn't have an HDMI input. The sub is pretty lame compared to my theatre setup, but for a living room it's not that bad... I'm using an Harmony One remote to control all components (TV, soundbar, cablebox), works well as well.

Yeah I'm looking forward to it...  model S4251w-B4.  It has the wireless sub and surround speakers (surround speakers wired to sub).  Was on a couple of "Best of 2013" lists like CNET and Endgadget... and for the price on Amazon ($278 w/ Prime) I couldn't pass it up.  Really good reviews across most gadget sites...but no HDMI port which is a drag. However I'm not an audiophile by any means so I probably could not tell the difference between optical/coaxial hookup and HDMI hookup anyway, although most people say there is a difference.

 

I have a Harmony remote also (650 I think?) so looking forward to getting everything wired up good.  Hoping the sub on this thing can match my outgoing JVC all-in-one system which has a powered subwoofer which is over 10yrs old but can fill my whole house with deep bass and never bottoms out.  Fingers crossed.  :)

 

Yeah looks like they discontinued your model...perhaps my model is meant to replace it?  Only ones they have on Amazon are used...  How about the LED lights on your soundbar?  Are they still working?  Ha lots of complaints on Amazon about those LEDs...

post #3375 of 3771
Just reading some of these past posts about audio..I have the slightest idea about audio..know nothing about it, I only use my TV speakers (what little they give out).

Just asking would not having SRS TruSurround HD be causing some of these problems? I do know the E601i-A3E model doesn't have SRS TruSurround HD.

I did read that SRS TruSurround HD is just for the Vizio TV built in speakers..just saying..I'm brain dead on audio info.
post #3376 of 3771
Any audio played thru the tv's speakers is going to be bastardized to stereo regardless of what marketing says. Soundbars are ok if that's all you can do, but to really appreciate your tv you should think about a true 5.1 system.
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Calling vizio in the morning I can't take the pixelation anymore. This TV was jam up when I first got it now everybody is noticing it asking "what's wrong with the picture", every channel. What number are you guys calling for service?


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More pics



The last photo, I reset my other Directv tv's and none looked like this.
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Originally Posted by jason2799 View Post

More pics



The last photo, I reset my other Directv tv's and none looked like this.

 

That would drive me nuts too.

 

Does the TV do this on all inputs? Bluray, game console, etc.?

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Originally Posted by jason2799 View Post

More pics



The last photo, I reset my other Directv tv's and none looked like this.

Looks like compression of the source to me.  What size are the other TVs you are comparing too?  Larger size makes it much easier to see.  If it does it on Blu-ray then I'd say it is the tv, but broadcast tv is my guess at this point.

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Originally Posted by matthooper View Post

Yeah looks like they discontinued your model...perhaps my model is meant to replace it?  Only ones they have on Amazon are used...  How about the LED lights on your soundbar?  Are they still working?  Ha lots of complaints on Amazon about those LEDs...

I got mine as a refurb from Tiger Direct for $150. Had it for almost a year, everything still looks and works great. Yours is prolly the replacement for mine.
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Looks like compression of the source to me.  What size are the other TVs you are comparing too?  Larger size makes it much easier to see.  If it does it on Blu-ray then I'd say it is the tv, but broadcast tv is my guess at this point.
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Originally Posted by maxpowerphd View Post

That would drive me nuts too.

Does the TV do this on all inputs? Bluray, game console, etc.?
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Originally Posted by jason2799 View Post

Calling vizio in the morning I can't take the pixelation anymore. This TV was jam up when I first got it now everybody is noticing it asking "what's wrong with the picture", every channel.

Try other HDMI cables. Who does the upscaling? the TV or the sat/cbl box? Did you try to switch boxes (if you have more than one in the house)?
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Originally Posted by Internet2 View Post

Just asking would not having SRS TruSurround HD be causing some of these problems? I do know the E601i-A3E model doesn't have SRS TruSurround HD.

I did read that SRS TruSurround HD is just for the Vizio TV built in speakers..just saying..I'm brain dead on audio info.

SRS is an effect applied trying to create a surround 'feel' in a 2-speaker system (such as a TV), it has nothing to do with signal processing/pass-through issues above. SRS can be found in smartphones as well. Essentially it is a DSP mode meant to mimic surround sound by using 2 speakers only.
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Any audio played thru the tv's speakers is going to be bastardized to stereo regardless of what marketing says. Soundbars are ok if that's all you can do, but to really appreciate your tv you should think about a true 5.1 system.

5.1? What is this? 2001? smile.gif
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matt, here's one for ya: http://www.frys.com/product/7016231 (saw the deal posted on FatWallet, AVS blanks the URL for some reason... don't like competition eh AVS? haha)

An Onkyo 616 for $200, not bad @ all...
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Originally Posted by shpitz View Post


Licensing fees... as stated above, all broadcast is DD, and not many movies came on DVDs with DTS soundtrack, so Vizio figured they can save some money by not paying the DTS licensing fees.
Is it a bandwidth issue... S/PDIF (optical/coaxial/toslink) is only capable of 5.1 DTS/DD, or 2.0 96khz PCM (uncompressed) streaming. The lossless codecs have what's called a 'core' component which is either DTS for DTS-HD HR/MA, or DD for TrueHD. The device/software decoding the track needs to see how it outputs the audio, so when SPDIF is being used, it will automatically output the 'core' component of the HD lossless track.
So, regardless of the HD track being TrueHD or DTS-HD (MA or HR), the 'core' component will be output. In this particular case of the E601i, it will not pass DTS via SPDIF, which is the issue Matt is facing.

You said you only have 1 optical-in, does the AVR have coaxial inputs as well? If yes, you can get an optical-to-coaxial converter and plug the other cable to the coaxial-in.

I really think you should put $150-$250 and get a low-end HDMI 1.4 receiver, this will eliminate cabling issues and heartache smile.gif There's no way to stop technology/advancement smile.gif

Well I got my Vizio 5.1 soundbar last night and hooked everything up....

 

All devices (cable box, xbox, blu-ray) running HDMI to TV.  Then using optical out to soundbar.

Sony blu-ray using coax digital out to soundbar.

 

Anything broadcast in DD comes through at 5.1 and sounds great.  Xbox same story.  I really got lucky with this TV in that it passes thru most 5.1 sources.  

With the BD player I have the coax hooked up and it sounds great also.  The only problem is the lack of DTS support. 

 

So I'll give it a week or so and see how things play out.  I agree the only way to capture all 5.1 sources is to go with a true 5.1 AVR system.  But I rarely watch BD anymore...so don't think I'll miss it that much.

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Originally Posted by shpitz View Post

matt, here's one for ya: http://www.frys.com/product/7016231 (saw the deal posted on FatWallet, AVS blanks the URL for some reason... don't like competition eh AVS? haha)

An Onkyo 616 for $200, not bad @ all...

Eight HDMIs??!!  Holy crap I haven't seen that many inputs since Johnny 5 tried to input his hdmi into that chick from War Games.  (haha bad 80's reference)

 

Ok please stop sending me this stuff because now I'm really thinking about dropping some serious bank on a whole new system.  :)

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I see what you are saying. After reading a little more I see that DTS-HD is basically the DTS core stream + the extended channels like you describe. Including DD pass through and not DTS would be unfortunate as it seems there is more DTS content on Blu Rays than DD.

You are correct.  As I have been pillaging through my BD collection I've noticed most of the audio is DTS-HD.  So I'm pretty bummed that this TV and my new Vizio soundbar won't pass through the DTS signal.

 

Another poster said it was a licensing thing... Vizio didn't want to pay for DTS.  I suppose they are banking on physical discs going the way of the dodo bird and everyone just being happy watching Netflix or whatever.  I guess that's why this tv only cost me $798 at wal-mart, huh?

 

But I still like to watch a good blu-ray every now and then... and it seems the good movies I own are all DTS.  Kinda sucks.  You find something that you think is going to meet 100% of your needs and turns out it will only give you 90%.  You don't send everything back because, ehh, is it worth all the hassle?  Are you really going to miss that little 10%?  And then months down the road you find yourself home alone while the wife and kids are out of town and you feel like watching Predator with the volume all the way up...  and it KILLS you that you're not getting your sweet 5.1.  

 

ha

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Originally Posted by matthooper View Post
 

You are correct.  As I have been pillaging through my BD collection I've noticed most of the audio is DTS-HD.  So I'm pretty bummed that this TV and my new Vizio soundbar won't pass through the DTS signal.

 

Another poster said it was a licensing thing... Vizio didn't want to pay for DTS.  I suppose they are banking on physical discs going the way of the dodo bird and everyone just being happy watching Netflix or whatever.  I guess that's why this tv only cost me $798 at wal-mart, huh?

 

But I still like to watch a good blu-ray every now and then... and it seems the good movies I own are all DTS.  Kinda sucks.  You find something that you think is going to meet 100% of your needs and turns out it will only give you 90%.  You don't send everything back because, ehh, is it worth all the hassle?  Are you really going to miss that little 10%?  And then months down the road you find yourself home alone while the wife and kids are out of town and you feel like watching Predator with the volume all the way up...  and it KILLS you that you're not getting your sweet 5.1.  

 

ha

The TV is intended to play audio it receives via its two speakers.  Beyond that anything is an added bonus or feature.  It is not meant to act like an AV receiver and take everything in and pass it back out.  They assume if you want better audio you either route the audio to the other device (without the TV in the middle) or you use HDMI.

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is there a way to display the time/date on at all times?
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Looks like compression of the source to me.  What size are the other TVs you are comparing too?  Larger size makes it much easier to see.  If it does it on Blu-ray then I'd say it is the tv, but broadcast tv is my guess at this point.
One is a 47" LCD and a 50" led. There are other issues I'm calling about also. One is the thing turns itself on about 3times a week. I'm lying in bed then I notice a light coming from the living room!! Another issue is during a black screen or dark scene there is a red glow or light at the top of the screen like this
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