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post #781 of 2576
12/5/12 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by simmonstwin View Post

Does nyone have this this tv setup with a vizio 215 soundbar ?I have mine setup with an hdmi cable from the tv to the soundbar (on hdmi 1), and a hdmi cable from the sound bar to my direct tv hd box through hdmi as well. the problem is that no sound is playing from my tv when im using the smart app on the tv (ie amazon or netflix), but it does work with the direct tv box. i have the setting right on the tv i think.. CEC settings are on , and it detects the soundbar, the tv speakers are off, and sound is tured to PMC. what am i missing , this is becoming really annoying.

I think you are a little confused.. The HDMI ports on the TV are inputs.. They will not output a signal to the soundbar. To get sound from the tv to the soundbar you will need to use a toslink cable.

I hope this helps.
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12/5/12 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by tjara03 View Post

I think you are a little confused.. The HDMI ports on the TV are inputs.. They will not output a signal to the soundbar. To get sound from the tv to the soundbar you will need to use a toslink cable.
I hope this helps.

that is not entirely correct....he has it hooked up as the vizio soundbar owners manual says to....hdmi(arc) from tv to sound bar, and hdmi from soundbar to cable box....
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post #783 of 2576
12/5/12 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by vinnier6 View Post

that is not entirely correct....he has it hooked up as the vizio soundbar owners manual says to....hdmi(arc) from tv to sound bar, and hdmi from soundbar to cable box....

Thanks for correcting me. I was unfimiliar with arc... I will look into that. Looks like I was the confused one.
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post #784 of 2576
12/5/12 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by tersec View Post

I have my tv hooked onto internet via wifi now, but router is right next to tv, should I just go ahead and hook it up with ethernet cable?
Will that help with start up speed of Tv set, speed of using apps, speed up other wifi units in house, etc?

If you have an Ethernet option use it. It may not necessarily speed up your display response or provide additional bandwidth, but it will deliver better quality of service and eliminate any bottlenecks caused by intermittent (or persistent) wireless interference. In other words, it will consistently work better than WiFi because you wont be exposed to the 802.11 PHY and the possibility of variable performance.
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post #785 of 2576
12/5/12 at 2:45pm
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Found this on eBay:
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Will this work with the Vizio for wire in the wall mounting?
Thanks



This is a much better solution, very easy to do. Also meets electrical codes..

http://powerbridgesolution.com/powerbridgeproducts/singlesolutionkits.html

Several options avaiable.
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post #786 of 2576
12/5/12 at 3:17pm
I have been experiencing the same types of issues being reported by other owners... audio sync issues, input lag, apps lag, odd lockups, and the occasional complete crash resulting in power off.

So the Vizio repair tech left my house about an hour ago. He replaced the mainboard, which is the microprocessor control unit that houses the system's I/O connectors, OS, memory, and network interfaces.

The bad news: TV has the same issues after the component was replaced. Same freezes, slow network file browsing, etc. This solidifies in my mind that there is either an underpowered processor on the mainboard, or that the firmware is just not fully baked...I am inclined to think that the latter is the most likely cause of these annoying problems. Which really sucks, because I love a lot of things about this display.

Now I am off to chat with Vizio tech support again...but first, here are some photos of the mainboard and the internals of the display, for those interested:

Back cover off - light colored board in center is the power supply



Mainboard



WiFi NIC



Mainboard install location (from bottom-up) with detail on antenna lead (thin black wire) and antenna.

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post #787 of 2576
12/5/12 at 7:41pm
I just got this TV set. I am very happy. But I am scratching my head for one setting. I am trying to set Digital closed caption" to custom style, i.e. with transparent background.

Digital Closed Caption = CC1
Digital CC Style = Custom


Caption Style = Custom
Text Size = standard
Color = white
Opacity = Solid
BG color = White
BG Opacity = Transparent
Window Color - white
Wind-w Opacity = Transparent.

Basically I want white text without window or background.

The TV still shows CC with black background and white text.

Is this a bug ? Any Idea how can I fix it ?

Thanks
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post #788 of 2576
12/5/12 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by rockaway1836 View Post

This is a much better solution, very easy to do. Also meets electrical codes..
http://powerbridgesolution.com/powerbridgeproducts/singlesolutionkits.html
Several options avaiable.
I actually own these for my tv in my living room. Super easy setup and very clean looking
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post #789 of 2576
12/5/12 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by simmonstwin View Post

Does nyone have this this tv setup with a vizio 215 soundbar ?I have mine setup with an hdmi cable from the tv to the soundbar (on hdmi 1), and a hdmi cable from the sound bar to my direct tv hd box through hdmi as well. the problem is that no sound is playing from my tv when im using the smart app on the tv (ie amazon or netflix), but it does work with the direct tv box. i have the setting right on the tv i think.. CEC settings are on , and it detects the soundbar, the tv speakers are off, and sound is tured to PMC. what am i missing , this is becoming really annoying.

I have my vht215 set up the same way as you- -hdmi(arc) from tv to hdmi (arc) on soundbar like the manual says too and have no sound on apps either, I use too, before soundbar installation.

Any solution/hookup help?
Edited by tersec - 12/5/12 at 8:27pm
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post #790 of 2576
12/6/12 at 1:19am
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Originally Posted by cayers71 View Post

I have been experiencing the same types of issues being reported by other owners... audio sync issues, input lag, apps lag, odd lockups, and the occasional complete crash resulting in power off.

Now I am off to chat with Vizio tech support again...but first, here are some photos of the mainboard and the internals of the display, for those interested:

Thanks for the update and photo set. Knowing that the new board did not solve the problems, have to decide what to do with this monster...LOL!

Happy with the picture, but just can't get past the audio sync issues, very annoying. Just to clarify, audio is early -166.6 milliseconds/-4 frames @ fps...I have audio ahead of the video, so the sound comes then the lips move, or the gun fires and then you see the recoil and barrel flashes...IE Saving Private Ryan. I have used the WOW calibration disc to confirm the audio problems, and it is the same on all configurations, regardless of input 1(arc), 2,3, or 4. Have tried optical (Digital Audio Out), with a some improvement, but once you know the flaw is present, it's difficult to ignore. The best, but not optimal solution, has been to run the optical which does not allow for 5.1 audio (without pronounced lip-sync issues), but does allow Pro-logic to simulate surround, or two/three channel stereo. Still slight sync issues -41.6ms/-1 fps confirmed via WOW, but much better.

Great price, and once calibrated, produces a nice picture with suprising black levels (have a plasma to compare)...But???

Thanks to everyone for the input in this thread, and if you do not have/notice these things...Kick-back and enjoy this budget beauty.

Happy Holidays!!
-CB
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post #791 of 2576
12/6/12 at 5:50am
I know this solution may require you to spend money, which flies in the face of getting a budget screen BUT...

- a <$100 blu ray player from Sony or Panasonic has all/most of the apps you need, and they "just work" in a way that the apps on this set don't seem to (ie they won't lock up and crash the TV). You could also jump to a PS3 for an even more robust app solution.

- most receivers have audio delay adjustment. Using wow I set mine to 125ms and audio is now perfectly in sync across sources and channels. (Depending on the receiver you may be able to adjust by source to account for subtle differences).

I get it - some people want to use "just the set" but especially in the case of the apps it's a very modest investment to fix this issue or more accurately avoid the problem in the first place.
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post #792 of 2576
12/6/12 at 6:39am
That's how I plan to hook mine up when it arrives Saturday. Stream through the ps3 as always.
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post #793 of 2576
12/6/12 at 10:02am
Anyone using this TV with a Harmony remote? This thing takes so long to boot up it throws the commands off. If I switch activities from the previous one while it's off it won't switch to the correct input. Wondered if anyone has a delay setting?
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post #794 of 2576
12/6/12 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by crawdad62 View Post

Anyone using this TV with a Harmony remote? This thing takes so long to boot up it throws the commands off. If I switch activities from the previous one while it's off it won't switch to the correct input. Wondered if anyone has a delay setting?

I have the Vizio 3D651SV model. It has similar power on delay ~20 sec. I had to put in a 20 sec Power on delay for my Harmony 650. It works fine now. The power on delay isn't in the Harmony SW menu option anymore. It's a special delay you get to by holding down the help key on the remote.

Rick
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post #795 of 2576
12/6/12 at 11:26am
I searched through this thread and haven't found anyone reporting a similar problem:
I cannot get any sound output through the analog 3.5mm audio jack. I just want to hook up my cheap PC speakers to the TV while I wait for my "real" speakers to arrive (and the tv speakers suck...)
I've tried both 'variable' and 'fixed' for the analog input.

Is there some setting that I am missing?
Is there a separate 'audio' and 'video' input setting? All I can find is general 'input'?

Thanks,
Oliver
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post #796 of 2576
12/6/12 at 11:28am
Six months from now this will be one of the best big screen values available (unless other OEMs are forced to compete!). The bugs we are experiencing will just be memories as software and hardware are dialed in to eliminate them in future runs. My old 65" Olevia in the LR is still creaking along so I'm going to wait a few months before replacing it with a shiny new E70. The only problem with this plan is I'm spending all my time in the BR watching the E60, life is so difficult. smile.gif
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post #797 of 2576
12/6/12 at 11:42am
Quick question about how SPDIF over TOSlink works. Does the TV pass the encoded audio stream right through without any transformations or no? I am wondering if I should use the HK AVR to switch between HDMI inputs, or if I should use the TV to switch, that way we dont always need the AVR powered on for casual TV viewing (no standby passthrough). I want to make sure the original audio stream makes its way to the AVR if I switch through the TV.
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post #798 of 2576
12/6/12 at 1:49pm
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post #799 of 2576
12/6/12 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by jessegun23 View Post

I actually own these for my tv in my living room. Super easy setup and very clean looking

Here's another option - http://www.datacommcableorganizer.com/Flat-Panel-TV-Cable-Organizer-Kit-with-Power-Solution.html
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post #800 of 2576
12/6/12 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by rickie View Post

I have the Vizio 3D651SV model. It has similar power on delay ~20 sec. I had to put in a 20 sec Power on delay for my Harmony 650. It works fine now. The power on delay isn't in the Harmony SW menu option anymore. It's a special delay you get to by holding down the help key on the remote.
Rick

Thanks Rick! Yeah it's taking some getting used to with the Touch. I like that you can change a lot of the settings without hooking it up. I set the power on delay to 18 seconds and it seem to work. Haven't done a lot of testing since the kid is home from school and he's been on the XBox all day:D
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post #801 of 2576
12/6/12 at 4:16pm
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Here's another option - http://www.datacommcableorganizer.com/Flat-Panel-TV-Cable-Organizer-Kit-with-Power-Solution.html

thats the one i used....
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post #802 of 2576
12/6/12 at 4:31pm
My apps just updated and now there seems to be more apps but I lost the ones docked and all IDs and passwords.
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post #803 of 2576
12/6/12 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by crawdad62 View Post

Thanks Rick! Yeah it's taking some getting used to with the Touch. I like that you can change a lot of the settings without hooking it up. I set the power on delay to 18 seconds and it seem to work. Haven't done a lot of testing since the kid is home from school and he's been on the XBox all day:D

I'm glad that helped. I'm enjoying my VizioM3D651 and the harmony remote now too

Rick
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post #804 of 2576
12/6/12 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy View Post

Quick question about how SPDIF over TOSlink works. Does the TV pass the encoded audio stream right through without any transformations or no? I am wondering if I should use the HK AVR to switch between HDMI inputs, or if I should use the TV to switch, that way we dont always need the AVR powered on for casual TV viewing (no standby passthrough). I want to make sure the original audio stream makes its way to the AVR if I switch through the TV.

I'm not sure whether the TV will alter the audio stream, but you will want to have the signal path setup the way you are suggesting in order to avoid audio sync issues...its also the method recommended in the user manyal. Fidelity is another matter though, and you will probably just have to test out the setup to see if it will work.
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post #805 of 2576
12/6/12 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by CAL_BEAR1982 View Post

Thanks for the update and photo set. Knowing that the new board did not solve the problems, have to decide what to do with this monster...LOL!
Happy with the picture, but just can't get past the audio sync issues, very annoying. Just to clarify, audio is early -166.6 milliseconds/-4 frames @ fps...I have audio ahead of the video, so the sound comes then the lips move, or the gun fires and then you see the recoil and barrel flashes...IE Saving Private Ryan. I have used the WOW calibration disc to confirm the audio problems, and it is the same on all configurations, regardless of input 1(arc), 2,3, or 4. Have tried optical (Digital Audio Out), with a some improvement, but once you know the flaw is present, it's difficult to ignore. The best, but not optimal solution, has been to run the optical which does not allow for 5.1 audio (without pronounced lip-sync issues), but does allow Pro-logic to simulate surround, or two/three channel stereo. Still slight sync issues -41.6ms/-1 fps confirmed via WOW, but much better.
Great price, and once calibrated, produces a nice picture with suprising black levels (have a plasma to compare)...But???
Thanks to everyone for the input in this thread, and if you do not have/notice these things...Kick-back and enjoy this budget beauty.
Happy Holidays!!
-CB

I have resolved all of issues with my TV at this point, albeit the workaround for the audio issue (using the TVs audio out) is not the best. My new reciever is on order, and once it arrives I am sure I will become more irritated with the audio issue. mad.gif

Regarding your statement about audio out via Toslink...Visio tech support states that it supports HD audio output...but in your experience not 5.1?

My hope at this point is that the next firmware update will resolve the input lag on the display's video plane, which is the source of the lag...
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post #806 of 2576
12/6/12 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by cayers71 View Post

I have been experiencing the same types of issues being reported by other owners... audio sync issues, input lag, apps lag, odd lockups, and the occasional complete crash resulting in power off.
So the Vizio repair tech left my house about an hour ago. He replaced the mainboard, which is the microprocessor control unit that houses the system's I/O connectors, OS, memory, and network interfaces.
The bad news: TV has the same issues after the component was replaced. Same freezes, slow network file browsing, etc. This solidifies in my mind that there is either an underpowered processor on the mainboard, or that the firmware is just not fully baked...I am inclined to think that the latter is the most likely cause of these annoying problems. Which really sucks, because I love a lot of things about this display.
Now I am off to chat with Vizio tech support again...but first, here are some photos of the mainboard and the internals of the display, for those interested:
Back cover off - light colored board in center is the power supply

Mainboard

WiFi NIC

Mainboard install location (from bottom-up) with detail on antenna lead (thin black wire) and antenna.

UPDATE:

For those with issues with the apps: After hours of troubleshooting, I have found the root cause of the issues that have been plaguing the apps performance on my TV, namely the Media/DLNA client. The solution was to set my access point to a 20MHz channel bandwidth...it was previously set to 40MHz. Generally speaking, its not the best idea to set a 2.4GHz wifi radio to run at 40GHz, unless you have a very clean RF environment and need the extra throughput...anyway, the wireless card in the Vizio set will not handle a 40MHz channel width. It will work, but not correctly. Setting a 20MHz channel width immediately solved the issues I was having with DLNA and the apps, and the TV is working great now.

If you are having issues with the apps and streaming, check the settings in your access point channel configuration.

I should have known to start at Layer 1 first...
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post #807 of 2576
12/6/12 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by cayers71 View Post

I have resolved all of issues with my TV at this point, albeit the workaround for the audio issue (using the TVs audio out) is not the best. My new reciever is on order, and once it arrives I am sure I will become more irritated with the audio issue. mad.gif
Regarding your statement about audio out via Toslink...Visio tech support states that it supports HD audio output...but in your experience not 5.1?
My hope at this point is that the next firmware update will resolve the input lag on the display's video plane, which is the source of the lag...

Neither optical (Toslink) nor digital coax are able to pass HD audio. It requires more bandwidth than they are able to handle. HD audio requires HDMI.
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post #808 of 2576
12/6/12 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Neither optical (Toslink) nor digital coax are able to pass HD audio. It requires more bandwidth than they are able to handle. HD audio requires HDMI.

If this model has the same audio that the M3D651SV model then the Digital Optical might. I have both my DISH Recvr and My DVD player connected to the TV via HDMI. I have audio going out from the TV to my Sony Recvr. When I play a DVD source via either DISH or the DVD my Audio Recvr reports that it is recieving a Dolby 5.1 audio signal. However often it shows PCM as well. I assume that varies by the what the source is. This isn't the same as HD audio, so I can't speak to that.

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post #809 of 2576
12/6/12 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by rickie View Post

If this model has the same audio that the M3D651SV model then the Digital Optical might. I have both my DISH Recvr and My DVD player connected to the TV via HDMI. I have audio going out from the TV to my Sony Recvr. When I play a DVD source via either DISH or the DVD my Audio Recvr reports that it is recieving a Dolby 5.1 audio signal. However often it shows PCM as well. I assume that varies by the what the source is. This isn't the same as HD audio, so I can't speak to that.
rick

You're correct in that many (most?) newer TVs can send digital audio thru their toslink ports. HD audio is a whole different beast, though.
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post #810 of 2576
12/6/12 at 10:24pm
Question. Do you guys that are having these audio-sync issues and other firmware issues, do you have panels without clouding? Or, do you not care and accept this as a part of edge-lit tech and try to live with it? I'm trying to gauge whether or not to replace our sets until we get better ones or live with the limitation.

I actually wonder if there are several panels put in these like the Samsung sets? Some with less clouding and some with other issues? I'm saying this because I replaced our first set with another and the new set has much better color and brightness out of the box...albeit, with more clouding. confused.gif Maybe Vizio is using several panels? Some Samsung s-pva and maybe some Sharp panels as alluded to earlier in the thread. If we could could figure out an indicator on the box, like with Samsung's version numbers, maybe we could choose the best sets? Just a thought.
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