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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone. Great site and resource. Hoping you can help give me some quick advice.

Scope: build a basic home theater on a budget. 50% movie watching. 50% music.

Current setup:
Panny 50" plasma 1080p
PS3
DTV HD DVR
Old Boston Acoustic HD9s
iPad 3, iPhone

Space: small living room. 13x12
Budget: $400 max

Current considerations:
Energy take classic 5.0
Powered sub (Polk or energy)
Denon or Onkyo AVR

Other thoughts:
1. I don't think I need AirPlay because I might get AppleTV. I do want to hook up my iPad via USB.
2. I don't need or want 3D features.
3. Audessy multiEQ seems to make sense so i can control the sub. So does hdmi 1.4 and ARC. I also like the volume control features for listening at low volume.
4. All of this makes me think I don't need a 2012 model?

Questions:
1. Based on the info which AVR should I get? Can I get a decent one for less than $200?
2. If I get the energy set what should I do with my Bostons? Or, should I build around the bostons?
3. What sub provides the most value for my small space and set up?

Any info in appreciated. Thanks.
post #2 of 27
I can't really help you with the Onkyo or Denon. I just bought a Yamaha myself. I've got a lot of older equipment and Denons didn't have the right kind of connections. I've been reading that this year's Onkyos have been having some problems so as much as I like my 32 year old Onkyo I use for my music the reviews bugged me. I ended up getting last year's Yamaha RX-571 but it's listing at about $299 (though I saw an ad that some Fry's had them for $199 last week, not around where I live though). They're becoming harder to find. I picked last year's over the new model because the newer model doesn't up-convert. Have to go one model higher for that this year.

Also last year's models didn't have all that networking Apple crap that I will never need as I don't buy Apple and don't intend to. Heck I'm still using a VHS player to record shows when I'm not home. Won't be able to hook it up to this new one, but I suppose it can go in with my old CRT. smile.gif

Other reason to buy it was this year's model was $499 and it wasn't in my budget as it was this one was $70 over my budget but it's a nice amp.

Speaker wise I'm still using my Boston Acoustic CR6s for the front and just bought an Atlantic Technology 2200 for the center which was $99 at Amazon. I picked it because it was cheap (used to be more expensive) and it's specs closely matched the specs of the CR1 that would have matched the 6s. They sound really good together too. Nothing wrong with using your BAs if they still work and you like them.

Can't help with the sub, fortunately my BA sub the CR400 is chugging along just fine.

Maybe someone can chime in with more help than me, I'm still new to these new fangled systems. I've been limping along with a dying 20 year old Sony amp till last week when it gave finally up the ghost.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the response. The rx-571 for $199 sounds like a good idea. I'll look for that.

I should mention that the upconverting feature isn't a concern for me as I have only hdmi components.

Glad to hear your BAs are doing well and thanks again for the input.
post #4 of 27
1. To get a used Denon, consider a 5.1 refurb from Accessories4Less which comes with a 1 year warranty.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

2. Ideally you'll want the FL/C/FR speakers to be from the same mfr and as the Energy 5.0 or 5.1 comes in a whole set, you may want to consider using the HD9s for music only listening if you want to keep them. Although doing so would require upgrading to a 7.1 AVR so the 5.1 setup would be for movies and the 2.0 setup (HD9s) for music listening only with all speakers connected to the AVR for easy switching between the Energy and HD9s.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1712/DENON-AVR-1712-7.1-A/V-Surround-Receiver/1.html

3. Consider this Monoprice sub ...

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=8248&seq=1&format=2
post #5 of 27
While I can't vouch personally, I know of someone who bought a refurbished AVR from accessories 4 less and he is very pleased with their service and the AVR. I looked there myself but didn't find what I wanted.

I didn't realize monoprice sold their own sub, not a bad, especially for that price!
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
I've seen the accessories4less site and that looks really tempting and a great deal. If the 1912 comes down a little I might bite.

What about the 1911? Where can I get a good deal on that one? Maybe 225-250?
post #7 of 27
Looking around the web most places list the 1911 as discontinued and those who do have it list it at almost $600, I'd say the 1912 is a better bet. I had similar problems with the v571, most places didn't have any more. In fact it's gone up in price at Amazon in the week since I bought it.

Frys.com has the 1912 for $249 IF you can pick it up at a store and if it's in stock. Implies to me those are starting to become few and far in between. I just did a google search on the model number and that's what came up.
post #8 of 27
Denon AVRs are discontinued when the next year's line of AVRs are released. The 1911 can be purchased as a refurb at authorized refurb reseller Dakmart.

http://www.dakmart.com/p12080/DENON-AVR-1911-AVR1911-HDMA-1.4A-MULTI-ZONE-RECEIVER-W-/product_info.html

Or the 791 is the sister model to the 1911, it just doesn't have Zone 2 pre-outs ....

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR791/DENON-AVR-791-7.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info. Checked with fry's and they don't have any in stock. frown.gif

I will keep an eye out since they have a fry's in Chicago.

Do you know if amazon will price match fry's even if they don't have it in stock? Fry's site says while supplies last, but doesn't say not in stock.

That would be awesome if they did PM.

Also, when do the models usually come out?
post #10 of 27
I'm of a simple mind. Give Amazon a call and ask if they'll price match Fry's stated price. All they can do is say no. cool.gif
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
I called amazon and they wouldn't PM on fry's. I'm thinking it depends on what rep you get. My rep didn't seem like she knew what she was talking about.

I think I've come to a decision.

Keep an eye on the Denon 1912/13 and wait for a good deal. I think this is a 2-zone unit.

Then, buy the energy take classic 5.0.

Then, buy a good sub.

Then use the BAs in a second room / zone two.

Thoughts?
post #12 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by mconfes View Post

Also, when do the models usually come out?

New models are released late spring/early summer so the 1912 is on clearance now as the 1913 was released this past April. Both the 1912 and 1913 are 7.1 models and therefore can support 5.1+Zone 2, although neither has Zone 2 pre-outs. The Energy Take speakers are small satellite speakers so if not buying the 5.1 setup, you'll want to make sure to buy the better sub at the same time as the speakers.
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

New models are released late spring/early summer so the 1912 is on clearance now as the 1913 was released this past April. Both the 1912 and 1913 are 7.1 models and therefore can support 5.1+Zone 2, although neither has Zone 2 pre-outs. The Energy Take speakers are small satellite speakers so if not buying the 5.1 setup, you'll want to make sure to buy the better sub at the same time as the speakers.

Great feedback. Thanks. I'm hoping to find a great on an avr and 5.1 set on black Friday. I can't wait u til spring.

Ok, noob question, what is exactly is a pre-out and would I really need it? I know this is an advanced feature on higher end models only. Trying to figure out if it has value for me.
post #14 of 27
A "pre-out" is used to pass the source signal to another amplifier to power speakers .... eg. if you wanted to use the AVR to power a full 7.1 setup, you would need Zone 2 pre-outs to connect to a 2CH amp to power the Zone 2 speakers. The Denon "CI" models have this feature. If you never plan to expand beyond a 5.1 setup, then you don't need Zone 2 pre-outs and either the 1912 or 1913 will do just fine as they each still has 2 on board additional channels to power the Zone 2 speakers if you ever want to add them.
post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 
Man, thanks for the clear explanation. This forum rocks. And thank goodness for that, the big box electronics stores are pretty useless for info.

To be sure, if I had pre-outs I could run, 7.1 in one room and an amp and 2.0 in zone 2? Without pre-outs, the 1912 can only run, 5.1 in zone 1 and 2.0 in zone 2?
post #16 of 27
Correct.
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
So I was going to buy the avr-1912 at my local best buy for 199 and they were out. They offered me the avr-1712 for $170. Think that's worth it?

Also, by going with the 1712 I will not have AirPlay and networking and no front USB..

Questions:

1. No AirPlay is not an issue if I get apple tv right?
2. Is the networking option really that important...especially if I have apple tv?
3. If I have apple tv can I stream pandora from my iPad to the avr?

Basically, I don't think I could buy the 1912 for less than 250. Is the 70 difference worth it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.
Edited by mconfes - 11/3/12 at 5:57pm
post #18 of 27
The 1712 is a good buy and it comes with Audyssey MultEQ XT which is superior to Audyssey MultEQ that comes with the 1912. To answer your questions from your last post,

1. Yes'
2. Yes
3. Yes
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I think I'm going to pull the trigger. Can always upgrade in 6 mos if I need more features.
post #20 of 27
Thread Starter 
Got it. Now it's time to set it up and then buy some better spaeakers.

So, question:

Energy take classic 5.0 plus a sub or...build a 5.1 system together over time? I have a limited budget so should I buy a 2.1 system for $300 and then build around it? Or just go with the 5.0 energy take for $150 and a sub for $150?

I know this is a loaded question and personal preference plays a part so let me know if I need to provide more info.

I'm in a townhome, not a large room and will be using it for movies, tv and gaming 60% of the time. Music 40%.

Appreciate any feedback guys.
post #21 of 27
I think it would be best to start with 2.0 and upgrade over time. $300 is not much to work with but there are some options for sure. I've listed some options below for a starting 2.0/2.1 in this price range.

1. Pioneer FS52 floor speakers
2. Pioneer BS41 book shelf speakers (on sale, $85 at Newegg) + BIC F12 subwoofer ($200 Amazon)
3. Pioneer BS22 book shelf speakers ($129)
4. Definitive Technology SM55 Book shelf speakers ($300, Newegg)
5. Cambridge S30 book shelf speakers ($219)
6. Ascend Acoustics CBM-170SE book shelf speakers (B-stock $306)
post #22 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback. I'll take a look at those options. I'm going to try and go listen to some and see if I can get a feel for the difference between the 5.1 vs. the 2.1.

Questions:

1. I guess the obvious thing is the 5.1 energy take is going to be great for movies but a good 2.1 system could be much better for music? Fuller, richer, deeper sound, etc. Curious if my budget is too limiting tho and might make the energy take a better option.

2. With the avr-1712, do I need to worry about getting speakers that are too power hungry? Or, should this unit power most speakers just fine?

Thoughts?
post #23 of 27
1. The Energy Take set is great for the price. However, if you find you want something better you'll have to start over. That's why I suggested starting with 2.0 or 2.1. You could then add a center channel, surrounds, etc as finances allow.
2. As long as you stick to an impedance of 6-8 ohms you will be fine. The 1712 would probably handle 4 ohm speakers but only at low to moderate volumes.
post #24 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

I think it would be best to start with 2.0 and upgrade over time. $300 is not much to work with but there are some options for sure. I've listed some options below for a starting 2.0/2.1 in this price range.
1. Pioneer FS52 floor speakers
2. Pioneer BS41 book shelf speakers (on sale, $85 at Newegg) + BIC F12 subwoofer ($200 Amazon)
3. Pioneer BS22 book shelf speakers ($129)
4. Definitive Technology SM55 Book shelf speakers ($300, Newegg)
5. Cambridge S30 book shelf speakers ($219)
6. Ascend Acoustics CBM-170SE book shelf speakers (B-stock $306)

FYI. The Definitive Technology SM55 are priced at $299 EACH at Newegg. That would be $598 total. The DefTech SM450 have the identical driver array as the SM55 but have a " boxy " look rather than a streamline look. The SM450 are $319 for a PAIR and are now discontinued but still available at a lot of eTailers. I have a pair of SM55 and these are very nice bookshelf speakers but maybe a little on the expensive side.
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
A couple of things.

First, thanks for the replies guys. Really leaning towards 2.1.

Second, big props to djsmoothie for the avr1712 FAQ. That post was seriously helpful. Everything anyone coud ever want to know.

Thanks again.
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
Ok, guys. Been doing a bunch of searching online for speakers.

Looking for A 2.1 system to build up to a 5.1. I have about $300-400 to spend. What do you think about these as starters for the 2.0. Thinking the bookshelves could be converted into surrounds later?

Front
Klipsch icon kb-15
Energy cb-5
Def tech studiomonitor 45
Klipsch icon kf-26
Polk monitor 60 or 70 series 2

Sub
Polk psw110
Martin Logan dynamo 300
Polk psw505

Appreciate any feedback.
post #27 of 27
i just set up my HT small living room with denon 1612, dayton 1200 sub and energy takes 5.0 for 500. very satisfied with the result.
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