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post #121 of 1054
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I used this one for the 3020 and it worked great.

http://www.amazon.com/Atdec-TH-WH-PJ-FM-Telehook-Universal-Projector/dp/B000BSFY48
post #122 of 1054
I keep bouncing back and forth about pulling the trigger on a 8700 refurb or a 3020. I want the new Panny but don't want to spend that much, ugh.
I am more than a little hesitant about a refurb that someone has already sent back and was supposedly refurbished.

The 3020 definitely seems like it is much improved over the 3010 which I had no interest in owning due to the poor 3D performance.
I don't really care that much about 3D, but if I am going to have that capability, I want it to work well....if that makes sense.

Thanks for the great info guys. I will keep thinking about it.
post #123 of 1054
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Originally Posted by icecold1936 View Post

What projector mounts are y'all using for the 3020? IM trying to find one and don't know which one i should buy for this model. Thanks in adv...

Use the calculator to understand how far from the ceiling you should mount your projector. Basically almost the top of the screen should match the distance from the ceiling to your projector.
I used the Sanus Universal Mount it has a pole extension incase you need to bring it down an extra 6 inches, but 6 is your only option. It's sturdy and once it's been adjusted. The thing doesn't move.
But there are so many. And then there are those that SIDE mount FROM THE WALL. Anything that vibrates above you. Incase someone is walking or jumping. Will it effect your projector vibrating?
As long as it's strong enough to hold the weight. I have used expensive ones, and cheaper ones from a local COMPUTER STORE. And Anything which will give you trouble free adjustments, and remain that way, without vibration adjusting your projector for you is something to think about.

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Originally Posted by mflanagan View Post

I currently have the Epson 3010. From anyone who has had one, is it worth the upgrade to the 3020? Is it enough of a difference to warrant an upgrade?
Thanks
Flan

I had the 3010 and had nothing but bad luck and issues. If you don't have an issue. If you don't have a problem with ghosting. I think your fine with the 3010.
But my 3020. I feel is way better then my 3010 model. But it's the luck of the BATCH/UNIT itself possibly. I have no ghosting at all. Perhaps it's because they refined there 3D technology with the RF glasses.
The other options on the unit are nice to have. But the big sell for me was the trouble free, less ghost issue. I love the 3020.
I have seen a lot of 3010's. Some better then others. I wonder if the same will be with the 3020. Some may get a bad projector. Some may not. All I can say is I'm picky as hell.
And I just love the 3020.
post #124 of 1054
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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

Use the calculator to understand how far from the ceiling you should mount your projector. Basically almost the top of the screen should match the distance from the ceiling to your projector.
I used the Sanus Universal Mount it has a pole extension incase you need to bring it down an extra 6 inches, but 6 is your only option. It's sturdy and once it's been adjusted. The thing doesn't move.
But there are so many. And then there are those that SIDE mount FROM THE WALL. Anything that vibrates above you. Incase someone is walking or jumping. Will it effect your projector vibrating?
As long as it's strong enough to hold the weight. I have used expensive ones, and cheaper ones from a local COMPUTER STORE. And Anything which will give you trouble free adjustments, and remain that way, without vibration adjusting your projector for you is something to think about.
I had the 3010 and had nothing but bad luck and issues. If you don't have an issue. If you don't have a problem with ghosting. I think your fine with the 3010.
But my 3020. I feel is way better then my 3010 model. But it's the luck of the BATCH/UNIT itself possibly. I have no ghosting at all. Perhaps it's because they refined there 3D technology with the RF glasses.
The other options on the unit are nice to have. But the big sell for me was the trouble free, less ghost issue. I love the 3020.
I have seen a lot of 3010's. Some better then others. I wonder if the same will be with the 3020. Some may get a bad projector. Some may not. All I can say is I'm picky as hell.
And I just love the 3020.

Yeah, I do notice ghosting on my 3010 even with the Monster glasses. It seems if you adjust the ghosting on a foreground object, the background objects ghost out. and Vice-versa. Does the 3D seem brighter on the 3020? it seems dim to me on 135" screen on high brightness (on my 3010). Brightness in 3D is one of my major nitpicks with the technology. 2D on the 3010 is great tho!
post #125 of 1054
I've had a 3010 for almost a year. We've watched most all of the 3D Blurays released and the ONLY time I've ever detected any ghosting was when using the Blick universal glasses. Never had the problem with the Epsons, PS3s or 3rd generation Pannys. I like to think I'm pretty fussy about pq but I've been very pleased with the 3010's 3D performance. Guess we just got lucky. Just MY experience.

Ed
post #126 of 1054
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Originally Posted by mflanagan View Post

Yeah, I do notice ghosting on my 3010 even with the Monster glasses. It seems if you adjust the ghosting on a foreground object, the background objects ghost out. and Vice-versa. Does the 3D seem brighter on the 3020? it seems dim to me on 135" screen on high brightness (on my 3010). Brightness in 3D is one of my major nitpicks with the technology. 2D on the 3010 is great tho!

If it is brighter it's only by a little. But I'm able to keep the GLASSES Brightness on high, and still barely see any ghosting. Maybe in the background objects once or twice a movie. But I've seen other projectors that boast brightness and I still think the 3010/3020 beats them in the $3000 dollar and under. But the 3020 has a DEPTH ADJUST. It also asks you what screen size. And soon as you hit 120 it adjust the depth 1 point. And it helps. But you have the flexibility to bring that back to 0.

AND ON ANOTHER NOTE: I did notice less of a FLICKER I guess you can call it with the new RF GLASSES/3020 PROJECTOR. Not sure exactly where that technology is coming from.
It seemed smoother. Smoother then what I saw on the BEST ACTING UNIT of the 3010.

If your happy with the 3010. Great. I had to many bad units. I had no choice but to try the 3020 cause I like EPSON. And possibly they ran out of 3010's at the warehouse.
If you can pay for the upgrade without losing out $$$. Then I would go for it. But you might be getting into a little of a mess, if the unit you get is not measuring up to what I have in the 3020.

And for what it's worth. I also went and purchased the SAMSUNG Glasses for $28. At the local BestBuy/Future Shop.
They work very well, and also work well for the little kids. THE actually GLASS is smaller tho, and prefer the EPSON BRAND.
But not there price! smile.gif

iMIKE THEATRE - MY FIRST BUILD PROJECT
post #127 of 1054
Thread Starter 
Finally sat down and watched Titanic 3D last night on my 3020. All I can say is Wow. Even with brightness on Medium the picture was bright and bold with no flickering or ghosting. This PJ continues to impress. Gotta say it's the best looking converted 3D I've seen. Can't wait to watch Spider-Man and Brave in 3D next week.
post #128 of 1054
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Originally Posted by Doompatrol View Post

Finally sat down and watched Titanic 3D last night on my 3020. All I can say is Wow. Even with brightness on Medium the picture was bright and bold with no flickering or ghosting. This PJ continues to impress. Gotta say it's the best looking converted 3D I've seen. Can't wait to watch Spider-Man and Brave in 3D next week.

Spiderman. Is not that great in 3D I thought it might be the earlier copy I received. But I've also read it reviewed elsewhere. It's too dark. And adding the fact that the glasses are Dark, A lot of the Cool stuff happens at night. It get's lost. That's my opinion. I still watched it in 3D tho. Brave was pretty good in 3D. With a couple of really well done 3D moments. But looks beautiful.

You know what I was really surprised with.
BAIT in 3D. I didn't expect it to be entertaining to watch.
But with my guests and the 3D it was a good fun Shark Horror, look at what a bad idea that was kind of night.
post #129 of 1054
It is some system RF like got 3D Monster glasses?
post #130 of 1054
how does the 2d to 3d conversion work?

Does it work on all discs? I tried with one disc, I think my son's Cars 2 DVD....but it may have told me something like 3d content not available or something.

Also, what tweaks are you guys using, if any?

Are you using the Epson Superresolution? Does that have the effect of sharpening the image a bit?
post #131 of 1054
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Originally Posted by bigman69 View Post

how does the 2d to 3d conversion work?
Does it work on all discs? I tried with one disc, I think my son's Cars 2 DVD....but it may have told me something like 3d content not available or something.
Also, what tweaks are you guys using, if any?
Are you using the Epson Superresolution? Does that have the effect of sharpening the image a bit?

2D to 3D Conversion works ok I guess. It's just simulated. It's like having a TV with 2 speakers, and it says Surround Sound. It's impossible.

I suggest getting Disney's WOW Bluray Disc. It will help you calibrate your projectors, and other HD visual units.
It helped me set up the Projector BIG TIME. And I consider myself to have a good eye for that. It also comes with the BLUE filter card which helps you calibrate your COLOUR and TINT.
Which I found that a lot of the new Epsons are OFF.
With your own personal tweaks, and this DISC. You'll get the most out of your projector.
I found that on my unit. Having the Super Resolution ON, is a mistake that can cause visual distractions in the picture. Using the TESTS on this disc.

So in other words. WOW.
post #132 of 1054
I got that disc, it was included with my bundle from Visual Apex.

Just haven't had time to sit down and calibrate yet.

What major tweaks did you perform on the 3020?

Sounds like you are leaving super resolution alone, which I typically agree with, don't usually like using a digital sharpeness feature

Any other big issues/tweaks you got out of the calibration?
post #133 of 1054
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Originally Posted by bigman69 View Post

I got that disc, it was included with my bundle from Visual Apex.
Just haven't had time to sit down and calibrate yet.
What major tweaks did you perform on the 3020?
Sounds like you are leaving super resolution alone, which I typically agree with, don't usually like using a digital sharpeness feature
Any other big issues/tweaks you got out of the calibration?

Well I'm still not finished. I'm trying to do some tweaking on the 3D end. Using both Dynamic, and Cinema.

But I would have to say, should say, I'm only tweaking the LIVING ROOM. That's were I discovered how off the HUE/TINT was a SUPER RESOLUTION SHOULD BE Shut Off.

I'm going to see how those transfer to Video coming from The Media Centre. I might need to add a different setting to that. But the disc brings you to the standard. Then if you want
you can adjust it yourself. But the BLUE FILTER CARD included with the DISC is something I always wanted to have. Once my own personal tweaks are done.
I can know go back and check over my HUE with the CARD, Possibly add a little more colour to my liking.

BUT you won't be able to calibrate 100% using the DISC because of the differenced in projectors to projectors (Brightness, Contrast). But it sure a step in the right direction.
If I find something else more shocking I will let you know. But FOR SURE on my unit. SUPER RESOLUTION should be off. On one of the test...you'll see the crazy visuals that happen when it's on.

Note: I hear rumours that a new disc will be coming out for 3D from Disney, which is why in some stores they say that disc is DISContinued.
But the DISC has APPARENTLY different SETUPS for LCD, PLASMA, DLP, PROJECTION......
post #134 of 1054
Art's review of Epson 3020/Epson 3020e

Epson Home Cinema 3020 Home Theater Projector Review

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-3020/index.php

Except for the black levels.. seems like a glowing review......
post #135 of 1054
I'm looking to purchase my first projector next week and still trying to decide which one I should go forward with. I was leaning towards the 8350 but now am debating if i should go with the 3020. Is the 3020 worth the extra $500 or so? I'm going to use this PJ for movies and there is some ambient light in the room and may use it for gaming as well on occasion. 3D isnt a requirement but would be nice to have so I dont need to upgrade down the road if this feature starts to pick up. right now imho 3d is more of a gimmick and not something i see myself practically using regularly. thanks
post #136 of 1054
MY CALIBRATION FINDINGS on the EPSON 3020.

Ok. After reading the review, and adjusting the settings as per the review. There nice.
But after doing my own calibrations, and being very picky about the things I do.
I'm posting my findings below. I used the WOW Calibration Disc, which comes with the Proper Blue Filter,
to calibrate COLOUR and TINT. And found the my own personal preference likes a little more colour.
But I believe if you want to go by the straight calibration I found to have OPTIMIZED picture quality the
the actual COLOUR SATURATION would be around -16.

So if you want the actually findings of my calibration replace the number below (Which is my final preference) with -16,

I've went thru Many Different Settings to come to this final conclusion and have test the PROJECT REVIEWS settings with my
own and found (In my projectors/model/unit/batch) to be superior, while watching a HD Blu-Ray File of the same scene in each step.

So I thought I'd share.

(in the future I will finalize the 3D Calibration)

LIVING ROOM
Brightness = -5
Contrast = 6
Color Saturation= -6
Tint= -8
Sharpness = Standard (which should be 0)
Abs, Color Temp. 7500k
Skin Tone = 3
Advanced = GAMMA 2.2
Power Consump = Normal
Auto Iris = YOUR PREFERENCE

NO SUPER SHARPNESS. (For reasons, you'll see if you use the Calibration disc)

After these settings I did notice a HUGE QUALITY DIFFERENCE in all my HD content.
The grayscales, colour, over all beautiful crisp clean, no bleeding...distortion free...., picture is amazing.

Just like the WOW Disc says.
"TAKE HOME THEATRE FROM GOOD TO GREAT" is an absolute truth, and reliable.
I always felt, even when looking at the on screen menu, that TINT might be off.
Using the BLUE FILTER LENS provided with the disc, told me I was correct.


iMIKE THEATRE - MY FIRST BUILD THEATRE PROJECT
post #137 of 1054
I just "copy/paste" the settings from my 3010 (from 3010 thread) to my 3020 and looked great. My super resolution is @ 3.

Soloforce, when u say apply -16 does tht mean

Brightness = -5 -16 = -21
Contrast = 6 - 16 = 10
Etc
Etc
Etc?

What about in cinema mode. I should just pick up a wow disk.
post #138 of 1054
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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy31:6 View Post

I just "copy/paste" the settings from my 3010 (from 3010 thread) to my 3020 and looked great. My super resolution is @ 3.
Soloforce, when u say apply -16 does tht mean
Brightness = -5 -16 = -21
Contrast = 6 - 16 = 10
Etc
Etc
Etc?
What about in cinema mode. I should just pick up a wow disk.

The DISC is great and there's no certainty that all the 3020's come out of the box the same.
But just as a STUDY on the unit. I would offer up my findings. Try them. Then stick a HD file on that. And check it out.
I've noticed all levels of Greyscale, Blacks, Whites, Shades in my Picture. Overall it has improved the image coming from this
projector, like I've never seen. Below is an example of what it looks like thru the BLUE FILTER, and what you need to achieve.

MY -16 setting was JUST FOR Color Saturation. = -16
I personally found it, not enough color for my liking to I increased to the -6 level. It also helps with the BRIGHTNESS look in this case.
I hope you understand. But ask away if you want.

Here are my examples.





post #139 of 1054
So to continue. After all my BARS LINED UP.

I had a COLOR SATURATION of -16
And a TINT setting of -8


But as I mentioned a did not like the LESS COLOR look to instead... I made my COLOR Saturation - 6.

Hope this helps.

I haven't done Cinema Mode. I tend to always stay on Living Room.
I'm now working on the 3D Dynamic Mode, and the 3D Dynamic Mode for SIDE BY SIDE 3D, cause they are not the same setting I've noticed.

As I mentioned before. I'm really picky.

I think somewhere in this thread someone asked to post findings. So here's what I found.
But again. No telling if we all get the same UNITS out of the box. But it's worth a try,
cause all you have to do is erase or over write your setting.

iMIKE THEATRE - MY FIRST BUILD THEATRE PROJECT
post #140 of 1054
thank you for taking the time, much obliged. BTW amazing theater build. I just finished mine last week, but I wish I would have contracted you instead. I'm pretty happy with it but having that "grass is greener" affect after seeing yours.
post #141 of 1054
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thank you for taking the time, much obliged. BTW amazing theater build. I just finished mine last week, but I wish I would have contracted you instead. I'm pretty happy with it but having that "grass is greener" affect after seeing yours.

No Problem. Post your pics!
I just took forever, and didn't want to rush my build. Cause I didn't want to do it again. So I did a lot of research. Thanks.
Trust me, I wanted to watch movies FAST. But patience.

iMIKE THEATRE - MY FIRST BUILD THEATRE PROJECT
post #142 of 1054
Yeah, I will but let me get the peripherals up first; e.i. posters, curtains, lamps etc. And ur right, I should have took my time and did it right the first time. I'm already talking to contractors to re-do it. I'm young so I didnt take the time and was very impatient. Total build time was 2 weeks. they did a great job for the time I gave them. I guess I got bit from the bug and couldn't stop itching it.
post #143 of 1054
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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy31:6 View Post

Yeah, I will but let me get the peripherals up first; e.i. posters, curtains, lamps etc. And ur right, I should have took my time and did it right the first time. I'm already talking to contractors to re-do it. I'm young so I didnt take the time and was very impatient. Total build time was 2 weeks. they did a great job for the time I gave them. I guess I got bit from the bug and couldn't stop itching it.

I hear you. Post some pic's please love to see it!
post #144 of 1054
Does anyone know how much vertical position adjustment the 3020 has? I know this doesn't work with the HDMI inputs, but I was thinking if it allowed me to move the scope image to the top of the screen, I would use it with the component input.
I'm not talking about lens shift, I know it doesn't have it. This is a setting in the projector menus.
post #145 of 1054
Do any of the 3020 owners know if Epson is using the 2012 bluetooth standard? meaning that other RF glasses will work with it such as the Samsung BG4100's, which are very cheap to purchase.
post #146 of 1054
Hey All,

What did you use to mount your 8020?

The Monoprice 5466 will *not* work even though their tech support said it would... now my project is help up until next weekend mad.gif

EDIT: they said the 8803 will. I'll let you all know.
Edited by b8b - 11/17/12 at 3:35pm
post #147 of 1054
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

Do any of the 3020 owners know if Epson is using the 2012 bluetooth standard? meaning that other RF glasses will work with it such as the Samsung BG4100's, which are very cheap to purchase.

I found the answer for tose that are interested in 3d glasses for $20

Not only do these glasses work with the Epson 6020 (and therefore will work with the Epson 3020 and 5020), but they seem to work just as well as the (~$99) glasses that came with the pj.

[Caveat: I just installed the Epson last night. It's my third pj but my first 3D pj. And I have not yet fine tuned the setup. Once it is tuned, a difference might appear between these Samsung glasses and the Epson glasses. I'll update here if that happens.]

The glasses are lighter and arguably "flimsier" than the Epson glasses. But at the price I paid, I could go through five pairs of these Samsung glasses and have saved money, even counting the cost of batteries.

I was going only give four stars because the batteries aren't rechargeable but it actually tells you that in the description. Plus I've reached a point of wisdom that products with rechargeable, non-replaceable batteries mean the whole product becomes garbage once the internal batteries no longer hold charge. I can buy a lifetime supply of batteries for these glasses with the money I've saved.

These do fit over my eyeglasses. These glasses are open on the sides so they might not do as well in a lighted environment. One battery is included.
post #148 of 1054
Hello!

I am about to purchase a Epson 3020. This will be my first projector. I have a question about this projector and was hoping someone could answer.

I know that the 3020 has no lens shift, but how bad would it be if I had to set up the projecter not directly in front of my screen but off to the left like 2 feet?

Would I have to use keystone correction for this and if so how bad would that impair the quality?

Thanks for any help!
post #149 of 1054
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Originally Posted by icemanphil View Post

Hello!
I am about to purchase a Epson 3020. This will be my first projector. I have a question about this projector and was hoping someone could answer.
I know that the 3020 has no lens shift, but how bad would it be if I had to set up the projecter not directly in front of my screen but off to the left like 2 feet?
Would I have to use keystone correction for this and if so how bad would that impair the quality?
Thanks for any help!

I would think anything off the direct centre of the projection will make the picture suffer in one way or another. Focus and Resolution.
post #150 of 1054
I would not advise it unless you want to use major keystone correction. Without the keystone, you're gonna have trapezoid shaped image that's gonna be clear on one side and convergence issue on the other side of the screen. Looks like placement is an issue for you. You might want to look at projectors with lense shift.
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