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post #151 of 1057
But would using keystone correction work for this? Or would I have to have lens shift?
post #152 of 1057
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Originally Posted by b8b View Post

Hey All,
What did you use to mount your 8020?
The Monoprice 5466 will *not* work even though their tech support said it would... now my project is help up until next weekend mad.gif
EDIT: they said the 8803 will. I'll let you all know.

The 8803 will work with three of the four arms hold the front center and two-left mounting holes, but not he four holes to make a centered square. Doing it with just the three will put it slightly off-center, but will work OK for my application.
post #153 of 1057
Just got my 3020....but how to play native 3D (not 2D->3D) content? I bought the IMAX Under the Sea disc,got a Belkin High Speed 10.2Gbps HDMI cable, popped into my PS3 and made it detect the 3D display under Display Settings and started the playback. NO 3D effect at all, its outputting only 2D video.

But if i go 2d->3D conversion in the PJ, i get very good 3D effect with the same disc.Is there something am missing?

Very first PJ purchase, so plz help me.

Regards
RB
post #154 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RedBull1985 View Post

Just got my 3020....but how to play native 3D (not 2D->3D) content? I bought the IMAX Under the Sea disc,got a Belkin High Speed 10.2Gbps HDMI cable, popped into my PS3 and made it detect the 3D display under Display Settings and started the playback. NO 3D effect at all, its outputting only 2D video.
But if i go 2d->3D conversion in the PJ, i get very good 3D effect with the same disc.Is there something am missing?
Very first PJ purchase, so plz help me.
Regards
RB

This may sound stupid. But you bought the 3D Bluray correct. Cause Under The Sea Is Also Available in NON 3D?

If your SETTINGS ON THE PS3 are correct, to display 3D. And your going straight to the projector, this should work.
From what I understand the PS3 will not give you the option if it's not hooked up to a 3D device.
The projector 3D settings should be on AUTO.
If you are going thru a receiver that is not 3D compatible it will not work.

iMIKE THEATRE
post #155 of 1057
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This may sound stupid. But you bought the 3D Bluray correct. Cause Under The Sea Is Also Available in NON 3D?
If your SETTINGS ON THE PS3 are correct, to display 3D. And your going straight to the projector, this should work.
From what I understand the PS3 will not give you the option if it's not hooked up to a 3D device.
The projector 3D settings should be on AUTO.
If you are going thru a receiver that is not 3D compatible it will not work.
iMIKE THEATRE

Thanx a lot for the reply bro.

Yea...its a 3D disc and it says so everywhere in the box.In Display Settings, PS3 says "Your Display is 3D" like that and asks for display size, i set it to 90" and saved it. And the output is directly to the PJ, nothing in between.The PJ is in Auto mode as well.Still, NO 3D and i don't have another 3D player to test it out.Have one more PS3 at home, will have to use that once i am back home tomorrow and see.In the meantime, if anymore suggestions, do lemme know.

Regards
RB
post #156 of 1057
I have an 8350 and this projector with 3D and 2D-3D upconversion sounds pretty awesome. My only problem is that I have vaulted ceilings and a ceiling fan, so I am restricted to mounting the projector to the back wall. My 100" screen sits about 1 foot off the front wall, and the front glass of the 8350 sits about 1 foot off the back wall, in my 18' foot room. Looks like the zoom feature on the 3020 isn't enough to correctly size my screen per the calculator.

Do any of you guys with long rooms have a similar setup that can confirm size lengths?
post #157 of 1057
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Thanx a lot for the reply bro.
Yea...its a 3D disc and it says so everywhere in the box.In Display Settings, PS3 says "Your Display is 3D" like that and asks for display size, i set it to 90" and saved it. And the output is directly to the PJ, nothing in between.The PJ is in Auto mode as well.Still, NO 3D and i don't have another 3D player to test it out.Have one more PS3 at home, will have to use that once i am back home tomorrow and see.In the meantime, if anymore suggestions, do lemme know.
Regards
RB

LIsten if it doesn't work. Just call up Epson, Or return it for another one. Or call Epson first. So they can verify it's a lemon.
If you want Epson to change it for you. They can probably do it in 1 or 2 days right to your door. They just need a credit card
to hold the amount. Until they get the defective unit back.

One more thing. The disc doesn't come with the option to watch the 2D or 3D one does it. That could also be the problem.
Try a different disc, or download a 3D game demo, and see what happens. Good luck. Let me know what happens.

iMIKE THEATRE
post #158 of 1057
Quick question, does this Epson (or any other in this new range), support 1080p at 60hz in 3D ? I'm trying to avoid a PJ that requires only 24p for 3D at 1080p, since I make + play 3D games for a living, I want the top rez. If not, can anyone give me a suggestion of one that does?
post #159 of 1057
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Originally Posted by RedBull1985 View Post

Thanx a lot for the reply bro.
Yea...its a 3D disc and it says so everywhere in the box.In Display Settings, PS3 says "Your Display is 3D" like that and asks for display size, i set it to 90" and saved it. And the output is directly to the PJ, nothing in between.The PJ is in Auto mode as well.Still, NO 3D and i don't have another 3D player to test it out.Have one more PS3 at home, will have to use that once i am back home tomorrow and see.In the meantime, if anymore suggestions, do lemme know.
Regards
RB

LIsten if it doesn't work. Just call up Epson, Or return it for another one. Or call Epson first. So they can verify it's a lemon.
If you want Epson to change it for you. They can probably do it in 1 or 2 days right to your door. They just need a credit card
to hold the amount. Until they get the defective unit back.

One more thing. The disc doesn't come with the option to watch the 2D or 3D one does it. That could also be the problem.
Try a different disc, or download a 3D game demo, and see what happens. Good luck. Let me know what happens.

iMIKE THEATRE
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Thank mate... I tried couple games in 3D using ps3....uncharted 3 and Killzone 3. Both worked flawlessly once I enabled 3D in the game options. I can't find a similar setting in the imax bluray, so it should be native 3d.

Have left the pj at the second home where it is meant to be fixed and was being tested so far. Will be back there by Monday or Tuesday and then will update more on the same. Btw, the pc that's available has only an entry level graphics card the nvidia gt240. Is it sufficient for playing back 3d content via the htpc? If not, then which card should I buy so that I can playback a few 3d movie rips to test out the pj?

Regards
RB

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post #160 of 1057
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Originally Posted by HDTV Maniac View Post

Just wanted to chime in to this conversation since I had a chance to view the 3020 this past friday. I actually compared it to a BenQ W1200 so I got the DLP vs. LCD comparison. The movie the vendor was displaying was Yogi Bear on a 106" screen. The first thing that I noticed is that the BenQ seemed brighter to me, even though the 3020 claims more lumens (and they were both on normal lamp mode and cinema 1). The BenQ was also using keystone so not to it's maximum capabilities. When we froze the movie on the scene where Yogi extends his telescope from the bushes at the beginning of the movie, this is where you clearly see the differences between the technologies. The 3020 was a nice soft film like image whereas the W1200 was so razor sharp, I was asking myself how this could be the same image. This was clear to me that my eyes prefer DLP. Black levels were comparable to me doing the hand puppet test on the dark/black portions of the screen so that was a wash.
Unfortunately, I also discovered that I am somewhat susceptible to RBE. I noticed it a bit on end credits (white letter on black background) and it was more visible when I moved my eyes and came back to the screen. I do not know if this is a deal breaker for me but I really did prefer the DLP look. It just popped more and was so much sharper, I just could not believe the difference. It is funny because with regular TV's, it's plasma that looks more film like and LCD has that sharper digital look. I am now torn on the whole choice of projector because I really thought I was headed for the 3020. However, after this demonstration, I am seriously considering DLP, despite the fact that I am slightly susceptible to RBE (didn't really notice it during movie scenes).
Anyone out there, if you can chime in on this matter, it would be appreciated.
Thanks

I feel the same. I've had an InFocus ScreenPlay 7200 DLP for the past 9 years, and it's going out on me. I've been reading reviews and forums for the past month, and I'm so nervous about buying an LCD unit. I was beginning to feel comfortable with the 3020 or the 5020 when I ran across this thread tonight and began reading about the dust blobs. While I've read about them on other forum threads, this one made me panic. My husband is a general contractor and our garage (which is attached to our basement and is ten feet from the entrance to my theater) is his workshop. I have a constant flow of wood dust floating in the house and chips/sawdust on the floors. Did you ever decide on a model? RBE is fine for me, once in a rare blue moon and it doesn't affect my family. My daughter did an 8 hour marathon in my room today and no headaches there (although that might be the invincibility of a 13 year old pair of eyes...)
post #161 of 1057
I too am looking to purchase the 3020. What screen would you guys recommend? I was looking at the Elite screen Sable series either 110" or 120" in Cinewhite. Those screens are pretty cheap with good reviews on Amazon but I don't know if I should opt for Cinegray instead which is twice the price. It's going to be used in a bonus room with a large sliding door that I will cover with curtains. Thanks.
post #162 of 1057
The screen material on all of the 'affordable' screens are relatively the same. The 3020 is not known for its black levels. You could opt for the grey screen if you want to improve on that.
post #163 of 1057
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Originally Posted by sonic debauchery View Post

I found the answer for tose that are interested in 3d glasses for $20
Not only do these glasses work with the Epson 6020 (and therefore will work with the Epson 3020 and 5020), but they seem to work just as well as the (~$99) glasses that came with the pj.
[Caveat: I just installed the Epson last night. It's my third pj but my first 3D pj. And I have not yet fine tuned the setup. Once it is tuned, a difference might appear between these Samsung glasses and the Epson glasses. I'll update here if that happens.]
The glasses are lighter and arguably "flimsier" than the Epson glasses. But at the price I paid, I could go through five pairs of these Samsung glasses and have saved money, even counting the cost of batteries.
I was going only give four stars because the batteries aren't rechargeable but it actually tells you that in the description. Plus I've reached a point of wisdom that products with rechargeable, non-replaceable batteries mean the whole product becomes garbage once the internal batteries no longer hold charge. I can buy a lifetime supply of batteries for these glasses with the money I've saved.
These do fit over my eyeglasses. These glasses are open on the sides so they might not do as well in a lighted environment. One battery is included.

I'm curious about your experience with this, because I had a very different experience. I bought a number of the Epson glasses before realizing others would be compatible with this projector, and was very pleased with their 3D performance and comfort, but I found them a bit large, especially for my children aged 5 and 7. So last night I picked up a pair of the Samsung SSG-4100GBs as well as the Panny TY-ER3D4MUs, both of which were compatible with my 3020. I watched a number of scenes using all three glasses, and found the Epsons to be best in 3D performance all-around, with the Pannys not far behind. On the plus side for the Pannys, they were smaller and slightly lighter, and generally I found them to be more comfortable and nearly on par with the comfort of passive glasses like those used in commercial theaters. Plus they have a 2D option for those who can't see 3D or don't want to, or small children you might not want to expose to 3D images. However, I found the Samsungs to be far lacking in 3D performance. I watched a number of scenes time and again to confirm, and the 3D effects simply weren't as deep or inspiring with the Samsungs. This was a real bummer, as I was hoping to stock up on them as my 'extras' for when I have a lot of folks over. This was not due to light interference from the sides, btw, as I was testing the three glasses in a light-controlled, dedicated theater room. Also, I was testing with an uncalibrated, default-settings 3020 just as you mention in your disclaimer, so I don't suspect that to be a reason for the difference in results either.

Would love to hear some more details on how you were able to get such great performance out of them and how you'd describe it in terms of relative performance to other glasses. FWIW, a lot of reviews I've read seem to agree with your POV that the 3D performance on the Sammys is good-to-great. But I do wonder if that's without a fair basis of comparison to use such as other glasses, or if the Epson projectors are somehow better calibrated to the Epson glasses for 3D compared to, say, Sammy glasses on a Samsung 3DTV.
post #164 of 1057
Hi,

I'm the typical lurker who decided to take the plunge smile.gif, I've been reading avs forums since 09' around the same time the Panny PT4000 was released. At the time I was researching building a dedicated HT at my parents home but at the last minute my dad thought it was too much trouble and time consuming so instead of a PJ he went with an LCD from Samsung boohoo.

Ever since I've wanted a proyector and I just unboxed my 3020 last night and I am completely satisfied with it, paid $1485 w/ tax @ hhgregg. The first movie I projected was Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D and the 3D viewing quality is amazing. The 2D to 3D conversion is a nice plus as well although I think it will be a feature rarely used.

I have a question I would like to ask you experts. Since I don't have a screen yet (still deciding which one to get) and since I don't have any smoth light colored surfaces I took the PJ to friends house and since he doesn't have any type of sound set up (besides tv speakers) we listened to the movieon the speakers of the 3020.

When watching the 3D version of JTCE the sound on the 3020 speakers was intermittent but when switching to the 2D version of the movie from the disc menu the sound was fine. Also tried Scarface and MJ's This is it (only titles my friend had XD) both on regular blu and the sound was fine. Does this issue have to do with HDMI 3D pass through or do you guys think it is a hardware problem with the PJ?

Thank you!
post #165 of 1057
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Originally Posted by moviefan3 View Post

Hi,
I'm the typical lurker who decided to take the plunge smile.gif, I've been reading avs forums since 09' around the same time the Panny PT4000 was released. At the time I was researching building a dedicated HT at my parents home but at the last minute my dad thought it was too much trouble and time consuming so instead of a PJ he went with an LCD from Samsung boohoo.
Ever since I've wanted a proyector and I just unboxed my 3020 last night and I am completely satisfied with it, paid $1485 w/ tax @ hhgregg. The first movie I projected was Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D and the 3D viewing quality is amazing. The 2D to 3D conversion is a nice plus as well although I think it will be a feature rarely used.
I have a question I would like to ask you experts. Since I don't have a screen yet (still deciding which one to get) and since I don't have any smoth light colored surfaces I took the PJ to friends house and since he doesn't have any type of sound set up (besides tv speakers) we listened to the movieon the speakers of the 3020.
When watching the 3D version of JTCE the sound on the 3020 speakers was intermittent but when switching to the 2D version of the movie from the disc menu the sound was fine. Also tried Scarface and MJ's This is it (only titles my friend had XD) both on regular blu and the sound was fine. Does this issue have to do with HDMI 3D pass through or do you guys think it is a hardware problem with the PJ?
Thank you!

You should test with another 3D Bluray disc to see if you can reproduce the issue, as well as connecting the projector to a different source playing the discs if possible, such as another bluray player or PS3, or an amplifier. I ran into a strange issue with the built-in speakers on a friend's 3010 where turning them off produced a high-pitched noise when connected to a Playstation 3 via HDMI. So it's possible you've got a one-off HW issue on your unit, but you should do some more testing to be sure.
post #166 of 1057
I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents worth on the 3020. First, is there an "Official" 3020 thread on here? If so, I couldn't find it.

Okay... so I decided to upgrade my 5 year old projector (which I have absolutely loved--a Panny PT-AX100U) since it was time for another bulb swap. Although the specs on the 5020 were astounding, it was just too much money for me. Looking at the specs on the 3020 I felt it would be a tremendous step up from the AX-100U. Here's how it all summed up.

Ignorance is bliss. People talk about the black level of the 5020 being so much better, and if so, I'm glad I haven't seen it. Coming from the AX-100U, I was completely blown away with how the blacks actually look black. I loved my Panasonic, but gray is about as good as it got. If there was a really dark scene, many times the image was washed out by the gray. With the 3020, even in my completely light-controlled theater room, the light "boundary" on the screen is so very faint where the black image meets the dark matting. I honestly don't see how one could go much darker (but obviously the 5020 does).

Contrast versus the AX100U is phenomenal. The AX had a 6000:1 contrast with the iris, and the 3020 has 40,000:1. I really wondered what difference it would make, and well, it's huge. The images almost look 3d in a 2d movie--I finally get that now. There's a huge depth to all of the scenes, and with the brightness of this projector everything just "pops". I think the lumens in cinema mode (corrected) with the Panny was around 300. From reviews I've read on the 3020 the cinema mode lumens runs around 1200. I was a bit afraid with all those lumens the screen would be washed out, but it's just not. As I said, the blacks are (to me) exceptionally black, even when on another part of the screen it's so bright it's almost blinding. The contrast is just amazing... no other way to put it.

Speaking of light output, I watch sports with my lights on in the theater room. Although the Panasonic was bright (2000 lumen projector), the screen would get noticeably washed when the lights were on. I would usually switch to vivid mode, and the colors would just look bad. With the 3020, with all of the lights on (albeit they're not overly bright, and none shine directly on the screen) you cannot even tell that they are on when in cinema mode. I even had my wife watch the screen last night while I turned the lights on and off--she couldn't tell a single bit of difference, either. This is doubly good news for me since she's started doing work from time-to-time in the room when I'm watching a movie, thus insisting the lights be on...! Watching a movie on a washed-out screen is just not enthralling.

One thing I did want to address was the dynamic iris noise. My projector is ceiling mounted, and it is directly over the "main" couch in the room (thus, directly over our heads). Since the 3020 has no lens shift (more on that later) I had to drop it down 7 inches (closer to us) to hit the screen correctly. I had heard the DI was noisy, but in the 5 or so hours I've been using the projector I haven't heard it a single time. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's even on. I assume it comes default as "on"? If it's not on, I could care less. The image is incredible. Regarding DI, I really, really didn't like it on the Panny. You could see when it would activate because it made everything darker on-screen, even the lighter parts of the screen. It took any "pop" away from the image. I disabled it on the Panny I disliked it so much (plus, several people were having problems with their DI). I'll double-check that it's on next time I'm in the menu.

Image sharpness. I really liked the Panny because it had the image smoothing technology, where the pixels just disappeared (but the image remained very clean). It was only 720p, but the image looked really good. Wow. Jumping to 1080p really makes quite a difference. Everything is so much sharper, yet not pixellated. There's just lots more detail on-screen than there was on the Panny. As for focus, I haven't even touched it. I guess I lucked out that it was perfectly in focus for my setup, so I don't even know where the focus is on the projector (I assume right next to the zoom feature). I think I also read somewhere that someone had a problem with it de-focusing after 10 minutes or so of being on. I didn't have this problem at all, so maybe it was just a bad batch, or they fixed the issue. Like I said, I ran it for about 5 hours last night.

I've never owned 3D equipment, so I have nothing to compare this to. But... after spending a week at Disney (Thanksgiving week) the seeing all of their 3D from movies to the "Star Wars" simulator ride, the 3D on this projector puts it to shame. It's very bright and very colorful--something that typically seems muted in 3D. The depth is amazing. I didn't notice any "ghosting" or other image issues at all. I didn't try setting it from low to high--I just left it on "Auto". The two movies we watched were Avatar 3D and Arthur Christmas 3D.

One note on 3D. I use my receiver (Onkyo TX-NR905B) as HDMI distribution and video upscaling, and thus just plugged the projector into it as well as the 3D Blu Ray player. When I first tried a 3D disc it gave me the error, "You must have a 3D Capable DVD Player and Television to Enjoy this Title" (or something like that). After spending 30 minutes going through menus and web searches it dawned on me: I need to have them connected directly. So... after re-wiring and using a digital audio cable to the stereo for sound and an HDMI directly from the DVD player to the projector, all was well. So--if you have a setup like mine, just keep that in mind. Which, by the way, do they have receivers that can pass through a 3D signal? I doubt if I'll upgrade just for that, but I'm curious.

Lastly, what in the world is going on with no lens shift???? I know it's an economy projector, but I can't imagine it's that expensive to implement. Thankfully, my mount was already dead-center and almost low enough as-is, but for setup and flexibility it's a huge benefit. Not to mention that the lack of lens shift likely makes this projector completely unusable in many situations (and thus loses sales). I just don't get it. After realizing I would have to drop the projector 7 inches with the possibility of iris noise, I had some buyer's remorse and almost cancelled my order.

So--in a nutshell--I'm am completely tickled with the 3020. It has such an intensity to the image, is razor sharp, and has eye-popping contrast. The 3D, to me, is the best I've ever seen (maybe due to the 3D being active instead of passive? Don't know). It's several complete evolutionary leaps above the projector I was using before. Definitely, definitely worth the $1500 to upgrade.

Oh.. for some specs... my projector is ceiling mounted 13 feet away from a DaLite 106" electric screen with Video Spectra (1.5 gain) material.
post #167 of 1057
Congrats on your purchase!

Yes, receivers with 1.4a HDMI will process and forward 3D signals and some offer pass-through as well not requiring the receiver to be on.
post #168 of 1057
Never considered the 3020 until I started reading this thread. I stopped by a local dealer today & was blown away by it.
post #169 of 1057
That's crazy you are getting that kind of ghosting! I just got my Epson 3020 from hometheatersale dot com with a free mount and free shipping for $200 under what I found on other sites. I had the 3010 prior to this but still never noticed that kind of ghosting. I'm not quite sure how they are claiming 10% more lumens out of the same bulb but overall I have been very impressed with it. I also like the new glasses. Last years model were just too big and bulky.
post #170 of 1057
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Originally Posted by icemanphil View Post

But would using keystone correction work for this? Or would I have to have lens shift?

I found this statement in the FAQ section for the 5020 projector. I know you are interested in the 3020 (as am I), but this may provide the answer to your question:

"The projector offers both lens shift dial and keystone correction. Keystone correction degrades the image quality as it electronically reduces the number of pixels used to produce the image. A full 1080p image makes use of all the LCD pixels (1920 x 1080). Keystone correction reduces the number of pixels used in a full 1080p projected image in order to correct a distorted image. Therefore keystone correction should be used as a last resort to adjust the image."
post #171 of 1057
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Originally Posted by escoaks View Post

I'm curious about your experience with this, because I had a very different experience. I bought a number of the Epson glasses before realizing others would be compatible with this projector, and was very pleased with their 3D performance and comfort, but I found them a bit large, especially for my children aged 5 and 7. So last night I picked up a pair of the Samsung SSG-4100GBs as well as the Panny TY-ER3D4MUs, both of which were compatible with my 3020. I watched a number of scenes using all three glasses, and found the Epsons to be best in 3D performance all-around, with the Pannys not far behind. On the plus side for the Pannys, they were smaller and slightly lighter, and generally I found them to be more comfortable and nearly on par with the comfort of passive glasses like those used in commercial theaters. Plus they have a 2D option for those who can't see 3D or don't want to, or small children you might not want to expose to 3D images. However, I found the Samsungs to be far lacking in 3D performance. I watched a number of scenes time and again to confirm, and the 3D effects simply weren't as deep or inspiring with the Samsungs. This was a real bummer, as I was hoping to stock up on them as my 'extras' for when I have a lot of folks over. This was not due to light interference from the sides, btw, as I was testing the three glasses in a light-controlled, dedicated theater room. Also, I was testing with an uncalibrated, default-settings 3020 just as you mention in your disclaimer, so I don't suspect that to be a reason for the difference in results either.
Would love to hear some more details on how you were able to get such great performance out of them and how you'd describe it in terms of relative performance to other glasses. FWIW, a lot of reviews I've read seem to agree with your POV that the 3D performance on the Sammys is good-to-great. But I do wonder if that's without a fair basis of comparison to use such as other glasses, or if the Epson projectors are somehow better calibrated to the Epson glasses for 3D compared to, say, Sammy glasses on a Samsung 3DTV.

Escoaks, based on your recommendation I purchased a pair of the Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU 3D glasses, however I cannot seem to get them to pair with the 3020 projector. I purchased the Samsung SSG-4100GB prior and was able to pair without issue. I have to say I sure hope I can get these Panny's working since I find them the most comfortable of the 3 brands. They are really light, sleek and feel great even over glasses. When I try and pair them, I get 4 flashing green lights, then 3 blinking red. I've made sure they were fully charged, also tried pairing them really close to the projector with no luck so far. Am I missing something? Thanks for your help.
post #172 of 1057
False alarm -- after an embarrassing amount of time trying to get the Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU 3D glasses to pair with the 3020, I finally tried holding down the mode button on the glasses for many seconds and they finally activated. They seem to turn on easily with the flip of the switch now. I really like the glasses 2D option, if for nothing more than to quickly compare the 3D/2D images (change between the 2 is immediate). These Panny glasses work great and seem to be a nice, less expensive, alternative to the Epson glasses. I spent some time comparing these Panny glasses to the Epson and Samsung SSG-4100GB glasses, and I have to admit I didn't see any noticeable performance differences between the three. That's good news as far as I'm concerned!
post #173 of 1057
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False alarm -- after an embarrassing amount of time trying to get the Panasonic TY-ER3D4MU 3D glasses to pair with the 3020, I finally tried holding down the mode button on the glasses for many seconds and they finally activated. They seem to turn on easily with the flip of the switch now. I really like the glasses 2D option, if for nothing more than to quickly compare the 3D/2D images (change between the 2 is immediate). These Panny glasses work great and seem to be a nice, less expensive, alternative to the Epson glasses. I spent some time comparing these Panny glasses to the Epson and Samsung SSG-4100GB glasses, and I have to admit I didn't see any noticeable performance differences between the three. That's good news as far as I'm concerned!

Glad to hear it worked out. I really like the Panasonic glasses too, but they don't feel significantly lighter than the Epsons, so I suspect it's due to the smaller size. FWIW, I did have a few other people test the three glasses against one another and they didn't seem to notice any difference in performance between the three. I still think there is some difference between the Samsungs and the other two, but it may, in fact, be due to the open sides of the glasses that bring in reflections. I have movie posters in the back of my room that reflect a fair bit of light from the screen back to the glasses, and that may be just enough to affect the experience.
post #174 of 1057
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Originally Posted by escoaks View Post

I'm curious about your experience with this, because I had a very different experience. I bought a number of the Epson glasses before realizing others would be compatible with this projector, and was very pleased with their 3D performance and comfort, but I found them a bit large, especially for my children aged 5 and 7. So last night I picked up a pair of the Samsung SSG-4100GBs as well as the Panny TY-ER3D4MUs, both of which were compatible with my 3020. I watched a number of scenes using all three glasses, and found the Epsons to be best in 3D performance all-around, with the Pannys not far behind. On the plus side for the Pannys, they were smaller and slightly lighter, and generally I found them to be more comfortable and nearly on par with the comfort of passive glasses like those used in commercial theaters. Plus they have a 2D option for those who can't see 3D or don't want to, or small children you might not want to expose to 3D images. However, I found the Samsungs to be far lacking in 3D performance. I watched a number of scenes time and again to confirm, and the 3D effects simply weren't as deep or inspiring with the Samsungs. This was a real bummer, as I was hoping to stock up on them as my 'extras' for when I have a lot of folks over. This was not due to light interference from the sides, btw, as I was testing the three glasses in a light-controlled, dedicated theater room. Also, I was testing with an uncalibrated, default-settings 3020 just as you mention in your disclaimer, so I don't suspect that to be a reason for the difference in results either.
Would love to hear some more details on how you were able to get such great performance out of them and how you'd describe it in terms of relative performance to other glasses. FWIW, a lot of reviews I've read seem to agree with your POV that the 3D performance on the Sammys is good-to-great. But I do wonder if that's without a fair basis of comparison to use such as other glasses, or if the Epson projectors are somehow better calibrated to the Epson glasses for 3D compared to, say, Sammy glasses on a Samsung 3DTV.


It could be those particular glasses. Perhaps it is the amount of reflected light from the screen that is causing diminished performance? The epson is very bright. Again these are $20 glasses. I would suspect that the Pannys are better just as you discovered. As extras, my wife and i will use the epsons as our mains and the sams for our guests. As we don't have kids right now, i would probably ask myself if my kids will see the differences? as an adult would? Then make my decision based on that.
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I had been looking for a larger 3D upgrade for my Sony KDS-60A3000 RPTV. Nice set, but I really like 3D so I was looking at 65" vizio and LG passive LCDs and occasionally the Sharp 70" active sets. I have a vizio 47" passive set so am well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of it. As for active, it was really difficult to find a working demo in any of the vendors in my area .

Anyway, stumbled somehow onto this thread and read some of the reviews of the 3020. Didn't see many downsides (except for active 3D, but no one seems to have any issues) so when I saw BB had it on sale and I realized I could get at least a 90" picture for $1000 less than a 70" Sharp I decided to give it a try. My first projector so I'm learning. Got it ceiling mounted 10' from a 102" screen. Haven't actually hooked up all the cables and turn it on yet though - I'm exhausted!

How does everyone hook up HDMI? I'm figuring I'll either need a 24' cable or get a wireless transmitter.
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Go to MonoPrice and get the hdmi cable. Also I go thru a Yamaha receiver with the hdmi and use it as a switcher. Be sure your receiver will pass the 3D tho. You will love this projector. Only go with wireless hdmi if it's the only way to get it to the projector.

Have fun and go watch some 3D movies!
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Originally Posted by mflanagan View Post

Go to MonoPrice and get the hdmi cable. Also I go thru a Yamaha receiver with the hdmi and use it as a switcher. Be sure your receiver will pass the 3D tho. You will love this projector. Only go with wireless hdmi if it's the only way to get it to the projector.
Have fun and go watch some 3D movies!

Yup. Just got off Amazon, bought 25Ft of high speed for w/ 1 day shipping for $18. Can you believe BB wanted $150 for 24 feet? rolleyes.gif

I'm off work tomorrow. Now all I need is to find some calibration settings.
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

Yup. Just got off Amazon, bought 25Ft of high speed for w/ 1 day shipping for $18. Can you believe BB wanted $150 for 24 feet? rolleyes.gif
I'm off work tomorrow. Now all I need is to find some calibration settings.

A pic running off the 3020 slideshow function:
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The 3020 internal speakers are surprisingly good with distinct stereo separation. No crosstalk in 3D so far. Picture is kind of dim in dark scenes like the first 20 minutes of PotC: OST, but I knew that going in. Cranking up the brightness to about 5 and contrast up max helps (I know, contrary to everything I've read too, but my eyes like what they like).

Bright scenes like the previews for John Carter and Cars 2 look really good. Samsung glasses (SSG-4100GB, $20) work great with the 3020 and a bit more comfortable than the Epson glasses if you wear prescription glasses.
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Hey quick question,
I have had my 3020 for about 2 weeks now and all I can say is WOW. I have had projectors for about 15 years and I always say whatever new projector I get is the best, but WOW this thing is awesome. The last projector I had was Sanyo Z5 right when they came out. so its been awhile. This machine is great. Going from 720 to 1080 is good enough, but the 3d is also very good. I have just one question right now, the glasses have red and blue stickies on them do you leave them on or take them off. not quite sure, not enough time to read all the lit.

thanks
steve
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