Official Epson Home Cinema 3020 Thread - Page 8

Originally Posted by ngwest36 

OK. Made a couple of comparison shots from Ironman. These two were posted over on the "screenshot wars" thread and made with "Mits HC3800 on a very basic DIY screen. Low bulb mode and Cinema gamma. Sometimes I wish the shadow detail was better, but I've never had it calibrated, or really messed with any of the calibration settings myself."


Now, here are the same shots taken on my 3020; Cinema, contrast -7, autoiris high. The Sony cyberShot DSC-TX100v 16.2 megapixel camera oversaturated the color so I backed it down -3 . Great example of how bright the 3020 is!

Originally Posted by mano33 

I did not consider the TW3200. I was looking for a 1080p projector with 3d capability. If you don't care about 3d then you should get more projector for your money. How ever if you are on the fence about 3d and want to try it. If you get the 3020 you will probably love it. 3d was made for projectors. I have a Mitsubishi 65 inch dlp rear projection TV and though that this was the best 3d i had ever seen, even better than the movie theaters. Well that was before i got the 3020. The 3d quality is the same the bigger difference is the 100" diagonal image vs the 65" on the TV. Let me tell you that watching a 100" screen from 10'-12' is awesome. Particularly in 3d.
the 3020 is brighter than the HC3000. Without a doubt. I have mine in a room where lighting is completely controlled. I keep it mostly on Cinema. I have not even considered Dynamic mode, in this mode i would surely need to wear sunglasses:D. That's how bright the 3020 is. . I feel that it is better to have more, than less or not enough. In the former case You always have the option of lowering the brightness to your liking without affecting the picture. Also keep in mind that as the projector ages the brightness level will keep dimming as well.
P.s This weekend i will try to play a couple of games. Just to test them out. Call of duty (the latest one). Dishonored and Assassin's Creed. I'll let you know what i think. I played Call of duty on my 65 in Mitsubishi 3d TV. First person shooters are made for 3d. It is a different game when played in 3d. The sight glass on the riffle is right up your nose. Imagine that one 92 or 100" screen?

Originally Posted by Shad0wDK 

I guess it's nice with high brightness - but I'm also thinking that it may result in a poorer black level? How do you think the black level is compared with the HC3000?
You may be right that I'd think 3D is cool once I have it - though I suspect some friends and family members won't like it, so I would probably get to watch 2D quite often even though I personally liked 3D It's hard to make the decision - it would be much easier if I had experience with 3D in the home - I have only watched a few 3D movies in the cinema (Hugo, Tintin and some imax stuff) and while I think it was fun I don't know if I'd miss it alot if it wasn't there
Would be nice to hear your opinion about gaming, I assume you will do that in 3D as well?
I hope I'm not asking too much, but it's very nice to hear your opinions since you upgraded from the same projector as me

Originally Posted by mano33 

Very nice pictures. the faces on the 3020 seem a bit on the redish side. Is this due to the camera or is this due to the picture settings on your projector?

Originally Posted by mano33 

No problem mate...I'll let you know what i think. And yes i'll be trying 2, 3d games. Call of duty and Assassin's Creed.

Originally Posted by Laserob 

I'm wondering if anyone could chime in about the 3D performance I'm experiencing with my 3020. Overall I'd have to say i'm very pleased, but there's times when I wonder if I have a defective unit since I'm pretty sure more forum members would complain about what I'm experiencing. It all has to do with ghosting. Numerous times while watching 3D, I see ghosting. When I pause the frame, go into 3D settings and adjust the 3D depth controls, I'm able to eliminate the ghosting on that particular frame by making slight 3D depth control adjustments (say going from 0 to -2). Then I'll play the moving again and notice I'm seeing ghosting in a different area of the frame and change the 3D depth to a different number and it disappears. Is this normal?
One example would be the menu frame for the movie Tangled. When the depth control is set to 0, the text at the bottom of the screen has severe ghosting, but when I adjust the depth to -2 the text aligns. Same problem with Thor. I wish that adjustment fixed the problem but then throughout the movie images align much better when set to 0...sometimes +2 or -4 etc. Aside from the Epson glasses that come with the projector, I also purchased a set of Panasonic RF that allow the option to watch 3D in 2D with the flip of a switch on the glasses. Theoretically shouldn't I experience zero ghosting when those glasses are set to 2D mode? I have the projector dead center, ceiling mounted with zero keystone adjustment. I've tried different 3D brightness settings, all of which produce the same ghosting effect. Does anyone else have this issue? Is this just normal for 3D? Does your menu text on Tangled align perfectly? I figured this is the most knowledgeable place for an answer.

Originally Posted by Laserob 

I'm wondering if anyone could chime in about the 3D performance I'm experiencing with my 3020. Overall I'd have to say i'm very pleased, but there's times when I wonder if I have a defective unit since I'm pretty sure more forum members would complain about what I'm experiencing. It all has to do with ghosting. Numerous times while watching 3D, I see ghosting. When I pause the frame, go into 3D settings and adjust the 3D depth controls, I'm able to eliminate the ghosting on that particular frame by making slight 3D depth control adjustments (say going from 0 to -2). Then I'll play the moving again and notice I'm seeing ghosting in a different area of the frame and change the 3D depth to a different number and it disappears. Is this normal?
One example would be the menu frame for the movie Tangled. When the depth control is set to 0, the text at the bottom of the screen has severe ghosting, but when I adjust the depth to -2 the text aligns. Same problem with Thor. I wish that adjustment fixed the problem but then throughout the movie images align much better when set to 0...sometimes +2 or -4 etc. Aside from the Epson glasses that come with the projector, I also purchased a set of Panasonic RF that allow the option to watch 3D in 2D with the flip of a switch on the glasses. Theoretically shouldn't I experience zero ghosting when those glasses are set to 2D mode? I have the projector dead center, ceiling mounted with zero keystone adjustment. I've tried different 3D brightness settings, all of which produce the same ghosting effect. Does anyone else have this issue? Is this just normal for 3D? Does your menu text on Tangled align perfectly? I figured this is the most knowledgeable place for an answer.

Originally Posted by Soapysteven 

Hey, I just bought an Epson Home Cinema 3020 projector and I have a couple of questions. First, I wanted to let you guys know I am 17 and basically have no knowledge of anything but the basics.
Here is what I have in my basement:
- The projector (about 11 ft. from projector. seats are about 13 ft.)
- Screen Innovations - Sensation 110" Fixed Projector Screen - TSF110MW
- Sony - 3D Wi-Fi Built-In Blu-ray Player - BDPS590
- Marantz - Slimline 350W 7.1-Ch. A/V Home Theater Receiver - NR1603 (for Projector and Blu Ray)
1) I read something about the Disney WOW blu ray on older posts and just needed some clarification. Does is it just improve your projector? Would it be something you guys recommend or is it not worth it? And if you do recommend it can someone explain how it works and how it “calibrates the projector if it goes in the blu ray..?)
2) The Epson 3D glasses are like $99.99 and that is way too expensive for me. I was looking to buy 8 and that would come out to be $800. I went looking for other ones and decided to buy these “universal” (Ps3 – sony 98079) glasses. They did not work… I don’t understand if I have to “pair” them or if I just turn them on and they just have to work. I need help on this. I read that these Samsung SSG-4100GB worked but they are not rechargeable, which is something I’m looking for. Should I pay the extra $20 for these Samsung SSG-3550CR just because it’s rechargeable? I’m just looking for a nice pair of glasses that will work. I have Brave 3D, Polar Express 3D & might get Avatar 3D, Titanic 3D, & Prometheus 3D. Any advice would help!!
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3) My final question would be (if anyone knows about receivers or idk): how does a 7.1 home theater system work? I tried playing The Dark Knight Rises through all speakers, but it would only play through 5.1. Can anyone help with this?
Thanks!

Originally Posted by ngwest36 

Hi and welcome; you've found this forum so the difficult part is done, finding out where to ask questions! So, let's see what we can do to start you on your journey to AV geekness!
1). The WOW disc doesn't do anything itself, it's a collection of tools that allow you to adjust your PJ's color/tint/brightness, etc. for the best picture possible. Check this link for info and the technical manual. Read the manual to see if this is something you'd want to try.
2). The Samsung SSG-4100GB work just fine with the 3020. True, they're not rechargable themselves, they use replaceable CR2025 batteries just like watches, some cameras, and such. Batteries cost less than $2 so don't worry bout that. The sammy glasses have a small button to the right of the nose piece on the top. Just hold it down and it'll flash green, steady green when it pairs, then goes out. No light after that is a good thing. It'll only flash again (red I believe) if it looses pairing. Really simple.
3. Decoding audio is more complicated but the first thing to look for is if the movie you're watching even has 7.1 audio. Then you'll have to check the manuals of your player and receiver. Start with your Sony and look for the setting that allows the player to pass the audio stream unmolested to your Marantz so it can decode the 7.1 audio. If you can find the threads here on AVS on those two particular devices, I'm sure you'll find someone who's asked the very same question.
Hope this gets you started!

Originally Posted by Soapysteven 

Hey thanks! That was a lot if help.
1) so this can improve my JP's performance?
2) Sammy = Samsung (ik I'm a noob)?
Do you anything about the ps3 Sony and if it needs to be paired? (do ALL glasses need to be paired)?
Thank you so much for replying!! I'm new to this and it has been a big help! Again, thanks!

Originally Posted by Soapysteven 

Lol I'm stupid -_-
Ok buy my glasses aren't being paired to a ps3. I don't even have a ps3. I'll try to find out how to do it!
Thanks!
I really appreciate it!

Originally Posted by Soapysteven 

Lol I'm stupid -_-
Ok buy my glasses aren't being paired to a ps3. I don't even have a ps3. I'll try to find out how to do it!
Thanks!
I really appreciate it!

Originally Posted by old corps 

I'm sorry to tell you those PS3 glasses aren't gonna work with your 3020. They're IR (infrared) glasses and the 3020 uses RF (radio frequency) glasses. The PS3s work great for me but I have the 3010 that is IR. Return the PS3s and get the Sammy ones NGWest recommended. I've got both battery powered and rechargeable glasses and actually prefer the battery ones. The batteries last a LONG time, are available dirt cheap (think internet, dollar store) and I can change them in minutes if need be as opposed to waiting for a recharge. JMHO
Hope this helps. Good luck!
Ed

Originally Posted by ngwest36 

Sorry, as you mentioned the PS3 glasses, I assumed you had the console. But again, whatever glasses you get, they pair to the projector not whatever player you have. The 3020 has an RF transmitter built in, the glasses have a receiver built in. The PJ "talks" to the glasses to sync which frame of the movie is linked to each frame of the glasses. Bottom line, from what I've read, any RF (but not IR, infra-red) glasses will work with the 3020. The samsung glasses I mentioned above are your cheapest option if you don't mind replacing the batteries every couple of months.
I know you said you preferred rechargeable glasses, but bear in mind that those built in batteries degrade over time (2 years? Maybe?) and once the built-in batteries die the glasses are useless. But if it's worth the extra $20 for the convenience, that's up to you.

Originally Posted by exm 

Hey all! I am a happy owner of an older Epson 1080UB Projector and I'm considering a replacement. Right now the projector is used in my den, and a lot during the day when our baby is watching television. Yes, it used to be a dedicated HT Projector So for me the key issues are lamp brightness and lamp life.
It looks like the 3020 has a slightly lower contrast ratio (40k:1 vs 50k:1), but a much higher brightness (2400 vs 1600 lumens) and lamp life (4000 vs 3000). My 1080UB lamp is 2/3 done, so instead of buying a new $300 lamp, I could sell my 1080UB, add some money and get a new projector (bonus: 3D).
My question is if the new projector will actually be an upgrade? Are there any 1080UB owners who own the 3020?
Thanks!

Originally Posted by ngwest36 

My first guess was the 3020 would indeed be an upgrade from a 4 year old PJ but after reading a review of the 1080, I'm not sure. You'd gain the lumens, 3D and 2D to 3D conversion, and lose the lens shift, 24fps support. If you are still happy with the picture...I really don't know.

Originally Posted by exm 

I pulled the trigger and ordered a 3020 using the 'Epson Loyalty' discount. Honestly, my 1080UB is running on 'Dynamic' all the time (washing out the image), so a native brighter projector, in a bright room should be an improvement. I will let you know how when I receive the 3020 how it compares to a 4 year old $3,000 projector...

Originally Posted by Laserob 

I'm wondering if anyone could chime in about the 3D performance I'm experiencing with my 3020. Overall I'd have to say i'm very pleased, but there's times when I wonder if I have a defective unit since I'm pretty sure more forum members would complain about what I'm experiencing. It all has to do with ghosting. Numerous times while watching 3D, I see ghosting. When I pause the frame, go into 3D settings and adjust the 3D depth controls, I'm able to eliminate the ghosting on that particular frame by making slight 3D depth control adjustments (say going from 0 to -2). Then I'll play the moving again and notice I'm seeing ghosting in a different area of the frame and change the 3D depth to a different number and it disappears. Is this normal?
One example would be the menu frame for the movie Tangled. When the depth control is set to 0, the text at the bottom of the screen has severe ghosting, but when I adjust the depth to -2 the text aligns. Same problem with Thor. I wish that adjustment fixed the problem but then throughout the movie images align much better when set to 0...sometimes +2 or -4 etc. Aside from the Epson glasses that come with the projector, I also purchased a set of Panasonic RF that allow the option to watch 3D in 2D with the flip of a switch on the glasses. Theoretically shouldn't I experience zero ghosting when those glasses are set to 2D mode? I have the projector dead center, ceiling mounted with zero keystone adjustment. I've tried different 3D brightness settings, all of which produce the same ghosting effect. Does anyone else have this issue? Is this just normal for 3D? Does your menu text on Tangled align perfectly? I figured this is the most knowledgeable place for an answer.

Originally Posted by Lt.Aldo.Raine 

I was having the exact same problem you are having making watching a 3D movie impossible.............The ghosting was so distracting that i was to pissed to even bother with a 3D movie..... Epson is sending me a new unit this week. I hope i do not see any major ghosting with this one but i think i will have the same problems which sucks. I saw less ghosting from my 3010.

Originally Posted by Lt.Aldo.Raine 

Well i just set up the new 3020 and the ghosting is completely gone Let just hope it stays that way