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post #301 of 759
1/9/13 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

It's SoloForce again.
I posted some CALIBRATION SETTINGS I've done to my 3020 For LIVING ROOM MODE,
and have gotten a lot of response for them, and also my home theatre. THANKS.
As I have mentioned "I'm REALLY PICKY"
But I've noticed that doing a CALIBRATION in 3D MODE
is IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT a BLU-RAY 3D DISC made for CALIBRATION.
The settings your projector goes into when it is playing a 3D Blu-ray is different
then when your CONVERTING it into 3D MODE, or USING SIDE BY SIDE etc...
So I have managed to make a FILE that uses the SIDE BY SIDE feature.
And along with the BLUE FILTER i received when I purchased the Disney WOW Calibration DISC.
I was able to calibrate SIDE BY SIDE MODE.
BUT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CALIBRATE AUTO 3D without a 3D Blu-Ray Disc.
With some calibration patterns. And All the discs I've checked only have limited options.
SO MY PICKY-Self MADE ONE....and I'm in the process of UPLOADING it to a server,
and hopefully I can post the links here...very...very...soon.
I will upload an .MKV files FOR SideBySide Mode.
And I will upload an .ISO file.
If you have a BLU-RAY Burner. You can simply burn the .iso and play it through your 3D Blu-Ray Player.
Along with my disc.
If you have the BLUE FILTER (From the Disney WOW disc) Or other (Blue/Red 3D Glasses won't work)
You can adjust your COLOUR SATURATION, AND TINT.
Which seems to be a problem with the AUTO 3D mode on the 3020 for many good reasons.
When the disc is played in your 3D Blu-Ray Player your Machine and Projector will recognize it,
and AUTO into 3D mode. Your Shutter Glasses will also start to work.
Even THO the image appears to be 2D only. Trust me. It's an Authentic Authored 3D Blu-Ray by ME.
I've been a FILM geek since I was 7. I film and edit in 3D now a days.
I've used it. I'm happy as a pig in mud right now. FINALLY!!!
In the mean time. While it's uploading. Does anyone know if its allowed to post EXTERNAL LINKS to Netload Servers?
Stay Tuned.....
PS: I will also post my settings for my finalized AUTO 3D Calibration. And If possible SBS Calibration.
iMIKE THEATRE

Thanks SoloForce! Look forward to trying it.

Anyone know if the USB port accepts .mkv files?
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post #302 of 759
1/9/13 at 5:00am
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Originally Posted by aftcomet View Post

Hi guys. I was reading the thread and some guys mentioned they weren't able to focus the projector sharply. Is there any way to test how sharp the picture should be? I have a 100 inch screen and I set approx 12 feet away from it. I have extremely good eyes but I feel the imagine should be a tiny pinch sharper.
Any ideas on the best way to test it? Is focus something you eyeball? This is my first projector so I'm not sure.

Eyeball it. Any fuzziness left may be a convergence issue you can adjust in the LCD alignment function in the menu.
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post #303 of 759
1/9/13 at 5:35am
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Originally Posted by aftcomet View Post

Hi guys. I was reading the thread and some guys mentioned they weren't able to focus the projector sharply. Is there any way to test how sharp the picture should be? I have a 100 inch screen and I set approx 12 feet away from it. I have extremely good eyes but I feel the imagine should be a tiny pinch sharper.
Any ideas on the best way to test it? Is focus something you eyeball? This is my first projector so I'm not sure.

Sometimes too sharp is not a good thing. I had mine as sharp as I could get it, including SUPER RES. And after calibrations. I noticed it could give you BAD VISUAL ARTIFACTS that the FILM MAKERS.
Did not want you to see. Kind of like when a person is wearing STRIPS and you get the weird optical illusion. I really like having the Disney WOW Disc. It helps make your system even better. And then you can tweak it to your liking.

iMIKE THEATRE
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post #304 of 759
1/9/13 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

Thanks SoloForce! Look forward to trying it.
Anyone know if the USB port accepts .mkv files?

The .mkv file will only help with SIde By SIde Mode.
Some Blu-Ray Players with USB ports play these.
I will also convert it to .m2ts...that can be played on a PS3 also.

Just waiting for the last file to upload, and my links will be ready.
Thanks.

iMIKE THEATRE
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post #305 of 759
1/9/13 at 7:08am
SoloForce:

Any chance you can burn off a few of these DVDs for a small price to cover disk, and mailing ETC.??

I do not have any of the stuff to make/play these.

Rich



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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

The .mkv file will only help with SIde By SIde Mode.
Some Blu-Ray Players with USB ports play these.
I will also convert it to .m2ts...that can be played on a PS3 also.
Just waiting for the last file to upload, and my links will be ready.
Thanks.
iMIKE THEATRE
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post #306 of 759
1/9/13 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

SoloForce:
Any chance you can burn off a few of these DVDs for a small price to cover disk, and mailing ETC.??
I do not have any of the stuff to make/play these.
Rich

I this point I can't see it.
But these aren't DVD's there Blu-Ray.
I would really like to help out tho.

Perhaps when I finish and calibrate my machine I will post my settings.
But there's not telling which settings work from machine to machine.
Check around see if there's anyone who has the ability to burn Blu-Ray .iso files.

If figure a way to do it I will let everyone know.

Thanks and sorry.

iMIKE THEATRE
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post #307 of 759
1/9/13 at 7:35am
SOLOFORCE 3D Blu-Ray Calibration Pattern Disc for 3D Blu-Ray Players
(will throw your projector into 3D AUTO mode) Image will look 2D except for OPENING title.
IT WILL SWITCH DEPTHS. BECOME GHOSTY cause of the BRIGHT LETTERS ON BLACK. (Normal)

If you know how to calibrate your TV/Projector, and have the BLUE FILTER Lens
(Like the one from the WOW disc) you will be able to Calibrate COLOUR, and TINT, more accurately.

This is the link for the .ISO. Burn this to a BLU-RAY Disc, with the proper .ISO burning program...and you are set.

http://netload.in/dateiC6mazm1glI/SoloForce3D.iso.htm



SOLOFORCE 3D Calibration Pattern .MKV file for SBS Mode on your TV/PROJECTOR
Switch your TV/PROJECTOR into SIDE BY SIDE MODE when using this file.
Some Blu-Ray Players with USB accept .MKV Files. or Media Centers.
Note: The 3D settings for your projector are different when using SBS or AUTO.
The only way to calibrate in AUTO is with a 3D Blu-Ray Calibration Disc as above.
(That's what I've found anyway)

This is the link for the .MKV file for SIDE BY SIDE Calibration.

http://netload.in/dateiLmKS5nfC4d/SoloForce3DCALIBRATIONSBS1080.mkv.htm



SOLOFORCE 3D Calibration Pattern .M2TS file for SBS Mode on your TV/PROJECTOR
All the same information about the .MKV file but in .M2TS format.
.M2TS formats can play from a USB on your playstation 3. And again this is for SIDE BY SIDE Mode

This is the link for the .M2TS file for SIDE BY SIDE Calibration.

http://netload.in/datei5XWWgRzRsq/SoloForce3DCALIBRATIONSBS1080.m2ts.htm


GOOD LUCK!!!

iMIKE THEATRE
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post #308 of 759
1/9/13 at 4:20pm
Any chance of a file sharing that does not that a day to do??

Rich
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post #309 of 759
1/9/13 at 4:20pm
OK I did the LCD alinement today.

Things look better...BUT:

I kind of have a fuzzy green.

The red and blue are just about a pixel wide, but the green show fuzzy on both sides of Vertical line and less on a horizontal line but still fuzzy.

Is that normal or a problem?

Rich
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post #310 of 759
1/10/13 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

OK I did the LCD alinement today.

Things look better...BUT:

I kind of have a fuzzy green.

The red and blue are just about a pixel wide, but the green show fuzzy on both sides of Vertical line and less on a horizontal line but still fuzzy.

Is that normal or a problem?

Rich

I've read opinions here that the smearing you see may be inherent to the type of lens Epson uses. I've got it too but I don't see it while watching movies so don't care much.
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post #311 of 759
1/10/13 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

OK I did the LCD alinement today.

Things look better...BUT:

I kind of have a fuzzy green.

The red and blue are just about a pixel wide, but the green show fuzzy on both sides of Vertical line and less on a horizontal line but still fuzzy.

Is that normal or a problem?

Rich

I might add that you can send pictures of it to Epson and see what they say. If they don't like what they see they'll send you another one.
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post #312 of 759
1/10/13 at 2:07am
Thanks.
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post #313 of 759
1/11/13 at 1:25pm
Talked with Epson Tech support, asked about the green line and was told it should be just like the red and blue lines.

FYI

Anyone have any problems with their projector and a 3D BR Player??

My Sony does not like my Epson...they do not play well together.

Rich
Edited by racprops - 1/11/13 at 5:17pm
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post #314 of 759
1/11/13 at 5:17pm
Anyone know of any service that streams 3D movies??

Rich
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post #315 of 759
1/11/13 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Talked with Epson Tech support, asked about the green line and was told it should be just like the red and blue lines.

FYI

Anyone have any problems with their projector and a 3D BR Player??

My Sony does not like my Epson...they do not play well together.

Rich
i've got a sony s570
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post #316 of 759
1/11/13 at 6:04pm
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Anyone know of any service that streams 3D movies??

Rich

Vudu
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post #317 of 759
1/11/13 at 7:19pm
Mine is a s590 too...

I cannot use a switcher to switch inputs.

You having any problems?

Rich
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post #318 of 759
1/12/13 at 9:12am
I have a 1 x 2 switcher (powered) so I can take the output from my AVR and direct it to my TV or projector. On some 3D movies I have to unplug the output to the TV to get the sony BD player to handshake with the projector.
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post #319 of 759
1/13/13 at 2:29am
Thanks.

I will try that.

Rich
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post #320 of 759
1/13/13 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Thanks.

I will try that.

Rich
Yea. It's a minor PITA but easier than trying to switch cables behind the AVR.
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post #321 of 759
1/13/13 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

I've read opinions here that the smearing you see may be inherent to the type of lens Epson uses. I've got it too but I don't see it while watching movies so don't care much.

Lets talk more about this smearing. I've got it as well. It kinda bugs me knowing its there, but I agree that the overall image quality for movies doesn't seem to be at all affected. One thing I can say though is the convergence seems to be acceptable based on the white text image. Some of the 5020's seem to have bad convergence (from the thread linked below).

I used the test images from the this thread for the following pictures (put them on a USB stick and use the PJ to view): http://www.avsforum.com/t/1445525/all-5020-6020-owners-please-help-please-answer-this-poll-in-an-attempt-to-get-a-response-from-epson




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post #322 of 759
1/13/13 at 1:54pm
Did you try play ps3 in 3D mode? I make some tests but i could´t make it work...thank´you ...
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post #323 of 759
1/13/13 at 3:58pm
If anyone bought their 3020 from Best Buy, they went on sale again. $1399. Got my rewardzone pricematch smile.gif
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post #324 of 759
1/13/13 at 4:19pm
I wonder if the 3020 is having the same issue as seen on this thread..http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427196/new-epson-home-cinema-3020-5020-and-6020-available-in-october-and-november-2012/480 specifically post #547. Anybody else have similar issues? I was ready to order the 3020, but now not so sure. There seem to be a lot of convergence complaints in that thread, a couple here.
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post #325 of 759
1/13/13 at 4:28pm
Well I can tell you you can do the convergence your self.

This is a copy from this site:

Found this post on another Epson thread for LCD alignment,
Further Note:
It's best to do this when the projector is on it's feet and not ceiling mounted. (not problem with the 3020, only the older 3010)
Otherwise, if I recall correctly, the arrow/direction buttons are reversed when ceiling mounted.

You should also make the screen size smaller than your screen using the zoom so you can see the entire projected screen with no overscan to the screen borders.
I made the projected screen about an inch smaller around the entire screen than my screen.

1. Access the Extended menu and select LCD alignment.
2. Enable(on) LCD alignment.
3. Select (B)lue or (R)ed to be adjusted. Default is (R)ed.
*Leave the other option at R/B/G

4. Start the alignment.

5. You will be asked to first adjust each corner.
6. When the yellow box is displayed in the corner, make your adjustment using the arrow keys.
*If you are adjusting Red, then only the red pixels will move in the corner.

**If no adjustment is needed, select Enter to move to the next corner.
***Repeat this step for all 4 corners.

7. Once all 4 corners are done, you will now be asked to select a coordinate on the screen.
Once you enter this mode, a yellow square will appear on the screen with no "+" cross hair.

8. Move the box to a location in which requires pixel alignment using the arrow keys.
*If adjusting red, move to a location that requires red pixel adjustment.

9. Once you find a location, select the Enter key.
10. Now there will be a "+" cross hair in the yellow box.
11. Use the arrow keys to move the pixel.
*You should see that the V/H numbers will change from 0 to a positive or negative number depending on which way you adjust.

12. Once you are done adjusting, select Enter.
13. You will now return to the menu which asks if you want to adjust another location on the screen.
14. Press Enter to select another location to adjust and repeat the previous few steps.
Otherwise, select the Exit option to finish the alignment.

You can now choose to adjust the other color(Red or Blue) and repeat the alignment for that specific color.

*There is no adjustment for green.
**You must leave LCD adjustment ON. If you turn it off, the panel will return all adjustments back to default.

Just exit the LCD Alignment menu by selecting Return to keep your adjusted alignment.
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post #326 of 759
1/13/13 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

If anyone bought their 3020 from Best Buy, they went on sale again. $1399. Got my rewardzone pricematch smile.gif

Can you post a copy of any adds??

I am going to go to my Best Buy and get a price MATCH!!!

Rich
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post #327 of 759
1/13/13 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Well I can tell you you can do the convergence your self.

This is a copy from this site:

Found this post on another Epson thread for LCD alignment,
Further Note:
It's best to do this when the projector is on it's feet and not ceiling mounted. (not problem with the 3020, only the older 3010)
Otherwise, if I recall correctly, the arrow/direction buttons are reversed when ceiling mounted.

You should also make the screen size smaller than your screen using the zoom so you can see the entire projected screen with no overscan to the screen borders.
I made the projected screen about an inch smaller around the entire screen than my screen.

1. Access the Extended menu and select LCD alignment.
2. Enable(on) LCD alignment.
3. Select (B)lue or (R)ed to be adjusted. Default is (R)ed.
*Leave the other option at R/B/G

4. Start the alignment.

5. You will be asked to first adjust each corner.
6. When the yellow box is displayed in the corner, make your adjustment using the arrow keys.
*If you are adjusting Red, then only the red pixels will move in the corner.

**If no adjustment is needed, select Enter to move to the next corner.
***Repeat this step for all 4 corners.

7. Once all 4 corners are done, you will now be asked to select a coordinate on the screen.
Once you enter this mode, a yellow square will appear on the screen with no "+" cross hair.

8. Move the box to a location in which requires pixel alignment using the arrow keys.
*If adjusting red, move to a location that requires red pixel adjustment.

9. Once you find a location, select the Enter key.
10. Now there will be a "+" cross hair in the yellow box.
11. Use the arrow keys to move the pixel.
*You should see that the V/H numbers will change from 0 to a positive or negative number depending on which way you adjust.

12. Once you are done adjusting, select Enter.
13. You will now return to the menu which asks if you want to adjust another location on the screen.
14. Press Enter to select another location to adjust and repeat the previous few steps.
Otherwise, select the Exit option to finish the alignment.

You can now choose to adjust the other color(Red or Blue) and repeat the alignment for that specific color.

*There is no adjustment for green.
**You must leave LCD adjustment ON. If you turn it off, the panel will return all adjustments back to default.

Just exit the LCD Alignment menu by selecting Return to keep your adjusted alignment.

I've seen that but people have posted that it then it creates a color isue. Are you saying that this has no consequence on the picture, at least any visible ones?

Does anybody have an idea why on a shelf it seems good and then when inverted the alignment is off? is this a physical or software malfuntion?
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post #328 of 759
1/13/13 at 5:43pm
Just purchased this projector today from Best Buy. I've been reading through this thread all day. Wondering if some one can recommend a lower cost 3d glasses alternative that will work with this projector and a ceiling mount? I noticed some talk about Samsung SSG-4100GB glasses working with this projector and the Panasonics. Will a universal mount work?

Also, is there a particular place here or another website I should look for getting all the settings right for using this projector correctly? I'm taking a big leap to this one from my Infocus screenplay 4800 we've had for the past 10 years.

Thanks for your help

Kelly
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post #329 of 759
1/13/13 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by cosmickc View Post

Just purchased this projector today from Best Buy. I've been reading through this thread all day. Wondering if some one can recommend a lower cost 3d glasses alternative that will work with this projector and a ceiling mount? I noticed some talk about Samsung SSG-4100GB glasses working with this projector and the Panasonics. Will a universal mount work?

Also, is there a particular place here or another website I should look for getting all the settings right for using this projector correctly? I'm taking a big leap to this one from my Infocus screenplay 4800 we've had for the past 10 years.

Thanks for your help

Kelly

The SSG-4100GB's work fine, although I prefer the Epson glasses. So I make my wife wear the Samsung's while my kid and I use the Epson's wink.gif

For the mount, you need to confirm that the arms will reach the bolt holes in the PJ. Also note that since this PJ has no lens shift, placement is critical for best results (e.g. no keystone adjustments required). The manual has placement info, the 3020 has nearly zero offset so the lens should be even with the top (or bottom) of the screen and the PJ should be centered.

EDIT: The default settings provide very nice results out of the box. Start watching, adjust later wink.gif
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post #330 of 759
1/13/13 at 7:38pm
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I've seen that but people have posted that it then it creates a color isue. Are you saying that this has no consequence on the picture, at least any visible ones?

I already did it and it did seem to sharpen things up...and there was no color change other than ridding the blue halo from around the white text.

Does anybody have an idea why on a shelf it seems good and then when inverted the alignment is off? is this a physical or software malfuntion?

That seem to be more a problem with the 3010, but I have read if that is happening you may want to exchange it.

Any idea how long that sale is for, I really hope it is not a one day sale.

Rich
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