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post #511 of 758
2/21/13 at 10:33pm
I wonder if there is any benchmark about how 2d to 3d conversion should look like on 3020? I know it will not be close to real 3d movie, but any least effect we should be able to see? I just bought 3020, while everything else looks great, 2d to 3d experience is not that great!
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post #512 of 758
2/22/13 at 2:01am
Well there is this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1458325/epson-3020-2d-to-3d-doesnt-look-good

So I do not have very high hopes this feather will replace true 3D.

I also have found a problem with the left field.

If your in 2D to 3D and block one eye at a time, the right field is clean and straight, but the left field is warping the image at about 1/5 of the bottom part to the right.

I am hoping to get a answer from the highest level of tech support soon. I have been told by many here that they too have found this flaw.

How much it throws off the rest of the 2D to 3D I cannot say.

Rich
Edited by racprops - 2/22/13 at 11:12am
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post #513 of 758
2/22/13 at 5:29pm
Bought my 3020 while it was on sale, still trying to finish my room. Can't wait!!! I'm wondering if anyone has theirs installed in an enclosure of any kind? I have 8' ceilings, a 13' wide room with a a/c duct box (12" tall by 36" wide) that cuts down too much on my throw distance. I'm looking at building a sort of enclosure in the box to house the projector, that way my throw distance will be about 9 1/2 to 10'. I'm hoping to do at least a 92" screen. I'm curious about the 3D glasses working if the projector is enclosed. Also the projector remote itself (actually planning on using a Harmony 650).

I've been through most of the tread, so I apologize if this has been covered.
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post #514 of 758
2/22/13 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by 88Driver View Post

Bought my 3020 while it was on sale, still trying to finish my room. Can't wait!!! I'm wondering if anyone has theirs installed in an enclosure of any kind? I have 8' ceilings, a 13' wide room with a a/c duct box (12" tall by 36" wide) that cuts down too much on my throw distance. I'm looking at building a sort of enclosure in the box to house the projector, that way my throw distance will be about 9 1/2 to 10'. I'm hoping to do at least a 92" screen. I'm curious about the 3D glasses working if the projector is enclosed. Also the projector remote itself (actually planning on using a Harmony 650).

I've been through most of the tread, so I apologize if this has been covered.

Make sure your enclosure is ventilated. With its own fans, bringing cool air in/out of the box.
Possibly extended to another room. The lamp can get pretty hot. And even some brand new machines
are having OVER HEATING WARNINGS. Especially in 3D mode.
Your window should be ultra clear, it shouldn't bother the 3D effect cause this machine is ACTIVE 3D.
I would be concerned a little more if it was PASSIVE.
Also the glasses work on RADIO FREQUENCY. So you should be alright in your room.
Throw will be good. Just use the EPSON calculator. It's pretty accurate.

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post #515 of 758
2/22/13 at 6:17pm
Well in my talks with Epson Tech support about my lamp failure, I have been told: I should not run it over 4 hours at a time, and that I need to service and clean the filter, and watch out for heat.

You should consider all of that. FYI.

A 92" screen should need about 10 feet?

Mine is a 120' and I am about 13 feet back.

Rich
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post #516 of 758
2/22/13 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Well in my talks with Epson Tech support about my lamp failure, I have been told: I should not run it over 4 hours at a time, and that I need to service and clean the filter, and watch out for heat.

You should consider all of that. FYI.

A 92" screen should need about 10 feet?

Mine is a 120' and I am about 13 feet back.

Rich

I love Epson tech support.

I didn't see any warnings in the manual about how long you should run a
projector that is suppose to work as long as you want it.
Just a life span of a bulb. There's also an overheating function which will turn off y
our machine so it doesn't damage itself. And
also a sleep function.
And I believe you've only had it for less then half a year. So???

Have you received your replacement???
Why are they out of stock on a brand new machine, or bulbs. I don't like the sound of it Rich. Doesn't sound right.

Can't believe a tech would tell you to service your machine that only hit the market in SEPT/OCT.
Check your filter. It's probably super clean.
I think like mostly all projectors. There's good and bad. And sometimes there's something else which
I think the manufacturer hopes no one will notice. IMO.

I've seen 10 different projectors of the same model. And more then half. Didn't meet the criteria that the company said it would.

BTW the 2D to 3D function curve in the bottom left, has happened to all that I've seen.
And IMO 2D to 3D is a waste of time, and your theatre watching experience. It's like selling a TV with 2 speakers,
and calling it surround sound. It's just simulated, and not the real thing.
If you machine works fine. Ghosting, brightness etc...I wouldn't risk it for the 2D to 3D function not working up to
our expectations. As long as you have all the MAJOR's covered, Mostly Ghosting. I would just keep it.

Did they replace your unit yet Rich? Or are they still saying out of stock?
And if i'm correct. Glad your doing well/ok after your procedure.

Thanks
Mike



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post #517 of 758
2/22/13 at 7:18pm
How often do we need the lens shift or keystone in a projector, believe that have had 3 projectors and don't remember using them...
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post #518 of 758
2/22/13 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

How often do we need the lens shift or keystone in a projector, believe that have had 3 projectors and don't remember using them...

I would think that it would take away from the quality/resolution of your image. I never use it.
Do what it takes to get the proper projection angle to the proper size screen. One click of Keystone will ruin the
maximum resolution of your image.

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post #519 of 758
2/22/13 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

I love Epson tech support.

(LOL They really know their product.....NOT)

I didn't see any warnings in the manual about how long you should run a
projector that is suppose to work as long as you want it.
Just a life span of a bulb. There's also an overheating function which will turn off y
our machine so it doesn't damage itself. And
also a sleep function.
And I believe you've only had it for less then half a year. So???

Less than 30 days.I have exchanged it twice at Best Buy, I think they were preparing excuses for my next lamp failure

Have you received your replacement???

They sent a ink cartage mid week, and when told about that mistake was told I would receive a lamp next Monday and we went to a Doctor's appointment and came home and found it by the front door...today, Friday so I am wondering if I will get one Monday as well...


Why are they out of stock on a brand new machine, or bulbs. I don't like the sound of it Rich. Doesn't sound right.

That was a post here: a guy said Best Buy told him that Epson was out of stock.


Can't believe a tech would tell you to service your machine that only hit the market in SEPT/OCT.
Check your filter. It's probably super clean.

Now 2 weeks old..
I think like mostly all projectors. There's good and bad. And sometimes there's something else which
I think the manufacturer hopes no one will notice. IMO.

I've seen 10 different projectors of the same model. And more then half. Didn't meet the criteria that the company said it would.

Nice to know, as I plan on exchanging them until I get a good one...

BTW the 2D to 3D function curve in the bottom left, has happened to all that I've seen.

All Epson's??

And IMO 2D to 3D is a waste of time, and your theatre watching experience. It's like selling a TV with 2 speakers,
and calling it surround sound. It's just simulated, and not the real thing.

I know but it looks good on the TVs at Fries and I was hoping it would be a in-between effect...


If you machine works fine. Ghosting, brightness etc...I wouldn't risk it for the 2D to 3D function not working up to
our expectations. As long as you have all the MAJOR's covered, Mostly Ghosting. I would just keep it.

I am hammering on them to fix the 2D to 3D system and it was a selling point for me.

Did they replace your unit yet Rich? Have not asked for one until they say the have made a fix.

Or are they still saying out of stock? Lamps are in stock now

And if i'm correct. Glad your doing well/ok after your procedure.

Thanks.

Rich





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post #520 of 758
2/22/13 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

I would think that it would take away from the quality/resolution of your image. I never use it.
Do what it takes to get the proper projection angle to the proper size screen. One click of Keystone will ruin the
maximum resolution of your image.

iMIKE THEATRE

Thanks to advice like this I made sure my ceiling mount was low enough to not use either the lens shift or keystone adjustment.

Thanks guys.

Rich
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post #521 of 758
2/23/13 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

Make sure your enclosure is ventilated. With its own fans, bringing cool air in/out of the box.
Possibly extended to another room. The lamp can get pretty hot. And even some brand new machines
are having OVER HEATING WARNINGS. Especially in 3D mode.
Your window should be ultra clear, it shouldn't bother the 3D effect cause this machine is ACTIVE 3D.
I would be concerned a little more if it was PASSIVE.
Also the glasses work on RADIO FREQUENCY. So you should be alright in your room.
Throw will be good. Just use the EPSON calculator. It's pretty accurate.

iMIKE THEATRE

Sorry, should have been more clear. It won't be totally enclosed, the front will be open. It seems the 3020 vents in and out on the front on either side of the lens. I did consider adding a cabinet fan in my box though, just to make sure. My enclosure 'box' will be about 9" high x 18" wide x 16" deep. It will be open across the front.
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post #522 of 758
2/23/13 at 6:50pm
Question why would someone need lens shift & keystone, if is mounted on the celing and the lens is square on the screen ( If possible )
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post #523 of 758
2/24/13 at 4:43am
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

Question why would someone need lens shift & keystone, if is mounted on the celing and the lens is square on the screen ( If possible )

Once mounted CORRECTLY: your right you will never need these features...

It for those that cannot mount it correctly. Even then once setup again you should never need them again.

Rich
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post #524 of 758
2/24/13 at 7:46am
I agree with you 100% right now have the BenQ W1070 the picture looks great but have to use keystone & lens shift so far, if not corrected today hello Epson.
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post #525 of 758
2/24/13 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

I agree with you 100% right now have the BenQ W1070 the picture looks great but have to use keystone & lens shift so far, if not corrected today hello Epson.

Your running a BenQ W1070??

Tell me, do you have color level and tint controls in HDMI and other inputs??

The BenQ projector I tried grayed out all the color controls.

Note the Epson has all controls active.

I feel the Epson is much more feature rich.

Rich
Edited by racprops - 2/24/13 at 1:03pm
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post #526 of 758
2/24/13 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

I agree with you 100% right now have the BenQ W1070 the picture looks great but have to use keystone & lens shift so far, if not corrected today hello Epson.

I'm confused. The Epson 3020 doesn't have lens shift, so placement is critical. Wouldn't the placement issue(s) with the BenQ be the same as with the Epson?
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post #527 of 758
2/24/13 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by hiperco View Post

I'm confused. The Epson 3020 doesn't have lens shift, so placement is critical. Wouldn't the placement issue(s) with the BenQ be the same as with the Epson?

As I understand it with the Benq you have a slightly less complex setup as you can shift the lens.

With the Benq you don't have to have the height as dead on as with the Epson.

Rich
Edited by racprops - 2/24/13 at 1:10pm
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post #528 of 758
2/24/13 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by 88Driver View Post

Sorry, should have been more clear. It won't be totally enclosed, the front will be open. It seems the 3020 vents in and out on the front on either side of the lens. I did consider adding a cabinet fan in my box though, just to make sure. My enclosure 'box' will be about 9" high x 18" wide x 16" deep. It will be open across the front.

I'M NO PRO. But I'm picky.

But it seems making a cabinet would be to cut down on fan noise. And with the fan's exposed you will still hear the noise.
So it might be a waste if your only thinking about making one, to SLIGHTLY cut down on fan noise.
If you have other issues like, You don't want to mount it to the ceiling upside down etc...that ok.
But to cut down noise. It should be totally enclosed, and ventilated.
Even tho they say the noise isn't that bad. In quiet scenes you definitely hear it on NORMAL LAMP mode.
And does add heat to the room.

iMIKE THEATRE
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post #529 of 758
2/24/13 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by 88Driver View Post

Sorry, should have been more clear. It won't be totally enclosed, the front will be open. It seems the 3020 vents in and out on the front on either side of the lens.
Although the fans are on the front, I would think that it's also designed to dissipates heat through the top and maybe sides, if it's assumed to be designed like other electronics, and not just unintentional heat loss. If you put your hand on a running projector and it feels "hot" in certain spots on the case, it is dissipating heat through those surfaces. If you cut off airflow around that surface it can still make the device run hotter than designed because less heat will be taken away from the device.

Edit: The exact wording in the manual is "â–  Make sure there is plenty of space for ventilation around and under the projector. Do not
set the projector on top of loose materials that could block the vents underneath." so it does not give recommended clearance on each side.... I know particularly the lamp compartment gets very hot on my 3010.
Edited by JustAnEE - 2/24/13 at 3:26pm
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post #530 of 758
2/24/13 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by Aceracer7 View Post

Hi everyone, im new to the HT world & to this forum. As most newbie's i have done tons of research & ready to buy the 3020e. However almost every site has it on backorder including best buy. I believe epson will be making a shipment this month so I'll keep checking. In the meantime I was hoping to get some feedback...

Why 3020e over 3020?

The wireless feature for connecting 5 hdmi devices on the 3020e is appealing but it also costs $300 more than 3020 rolleyes.gif I noticed most users here went with the 3020 & I was curious what solutions you may have found to fill the wireless need OR maybe it's not much of a need?

I know iogear makes a wireless hd kit (http://www.iogear.com/product/GW3DHDKIT/) but it only supports 2 hdmi inputs & costs $250. For an extra $50 I could have 3 more inputs cool.gif

Any feedback would be nice to hear.

I will also post when bestbuy is shipping 3020e again. I feel like I'm the only guy waiting for one frown.gif

As promised, I am informing anyone who is waiting to buy an 3020e that best buy has received their shipment. I placed my order Friday. **Wait, I just checked best buy site before posting this & the 3020e is back ordered again! I just placed my order 2 days ago. Wow. Either they only got a few units in or they sold out immediately. If you really need it now & dont mind shipping back to Florida in case you have to return it, then projector people has it in stock.

Note: You cannot walk-in & purchase from best buy but you can order online & do a store pick-up. I decided on direct shipment to my house. I received mixed messages from the best buy rep. One rep told me I could order online, ship to desired address, and return in store. Another rep said however you receive the product is how you must return it & they assured me best buy covers return shipping (she better be right!) My thinking was if I have to repack the PJ and drive to the store to return it I might as well repack it & drive to a near by UPS store.

Since this is my first HT, in addition to the PJ I ordered:

Panasonic - Smart 3D Wi-Fi Built-In Blu-ray Player (Model: DMP-BBT01) [http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+Smart+3D+Wi-Fi+Built-In+Blu-ray+Player/5060184.p?id=1218604359423&skuId=5060184]

Projecta - Versatol 92" Tripod Projector Screen - Matte White [http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Projecta+-+Versatol+92%22+Tripod+Projector+Screen+-+Matte+White/2802165.p?id=1218351653090&skuId=2802165] Instead of mounting a screen to my ceiling I figured I will use this portable screen to test with.

If everything meets my expectations I will return everything & order the 3020e package from visualapex since they offer more value for the money
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post #531 of 758
2/25/13 at 9:17am
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A 92" screen should need about 10 feet?

Mine is a 120' and I am about 13 feet back.

Rich

Using the Epson calculator, I'm seeing that with 9'-6" throw, I can do up to 98" screen. 92 seems to be one of the more popular sizes closest to that. If I can back it up a few inches, a 9'-8" throw can do a 100" screen. But my viewing distance is going to be about 11.5' to 12', not sure if that would be too big (is there such a thing?). I see quite a difference using screen size calculators like THX vs other calculators. ie the recommended size for SMPTE (don't know what that is) for my viewing distance is 85", vs 103" for THX. I'll take opinions on that, as well.
Edited by 88Driver - 2/25/13 at 9:25am
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post #532 of 758
2/25/13 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by JustAnEE View Post

Although the fans are on the front, I would think that it's also designed to dissipates heat through the top and maybe sides, if it's assumed to be designed like other electronics, and not just unintentional heat loss. If you put your hand on a running projector and it feels "hot" in certain spots on the case, it is dissipating heat through those surfaces. If you cut off airflow around that surface it can still make the device run hotter than designed because less heat will be taken away from the device.

Edit: The exact wording in the manual is "â–  Make sure there is plenty of space for ventilation around and under the projector. Do not
set the projector on top of loose materials that could block the vents underneath." so it does not give recommended clearance on each side.... I know particularly the lamp compartment gets very hot on my 3010.

Thanks! I am allowing a few inches all around, especially above and below, so I feel there will be plenty of room for air to move around.
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post #533 of 758
2/25/13 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by SoloForce View Post

I'M NO PRO. But I'm picky.

But it seems making a cabinet would be to cut down on fan noise. And with the fan's exposed you will still hear the noise.
So it might be a waste if your only thinking about making one, to SLIGHTLY cut down on fan noise.
If you have other issues like, You don't want to mount it to the ceiling upside down etc...that ok.
But to cut down noise. It should be totally enclosed, and ventilated.
Even tho they say the noise isn't that bad. In quiet scenes you definitely hear it on NORMAL LAMP mode.
And does add heat to the room.

iMIKE THEATRE

No, building an enclosure is purely to move the projector back to increase the throw distance. Directly over my planned seating area, is a box around some duct work that is 3' wide and comes down 12" from the ceiling. If I mount the projector in front of this, my throw distance will only be about 8.5'. If I make an enclosure inside this boxed area and mount the projector inside, I can increase that to at least 9.5", which would make a big difference on screen size.
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post #534 of 758
2/25/13 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by 88Driver View Post

Using the Epson calculator, I'm seeing that with 9'-6" throw, I can do up to 98" screen. 92 seems to be one of the more popular sizes closest to that. If I can back it up a few inches, a 9'-8" throw can do a 100" screen. But my viewing distance is going to be about 11.5' to 12', not sure if that would be too big (is there such a thing?). I see quite a difference using screen size calculators like THX vs other calculators. ie the recommended size for SMPTE (don't know what that is) for my viewing distance is 85", vs 103" for THX. I'll take opinions on that, as well.

I find that sitting closer is better, and/or a larger screen is better. At 12' viewing distance, my opinion is that 100" is by no means too big. 1.5X the width is nice and immersive, 2X the width is as far back as I would go. FWIW, I really like my Monoprice 106" multi-format screen. Currently I sit about 14' back, but I really want to re-arrange things to sit closer.
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post #535 of 758
2/25/13 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by 88Driver View Post

Using the Epson calculator, I'm seeing that with 9'-6" throw, I can do up to 98" screen. 92 seems to be one of the more popular sizes closest to that. If I can back it up a few inches, a 9'-8" throw can do a 100" screen. But my viewing distance is going to be about 11.5' to 12', not sure if that would be too big (is there such a thing?). I see quite a difference using screen size calculators like THX vs other calculators. ie the recommended size for SMPTE (don't know what that is) for my viewing distance is 85", vs 103" for THX. I'll take opinions on that, as well.

I am sitting at 12' and used a 100" screen, I would not go smaller, it doesn't seem overly larger either, in fact I am wondering what a 125" would look like in our space, (wife rolls her eyes). Personally I think you'd be happier with the 100"
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post #536 of 758
2/25/13 at 5:58pm
Question about getting a ceiling mount for this 3020.

Do you have to buy the Epson ceiling mount, the CHF1000?

Or what are some cheaper and viable alternatives?
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post #537 of 758
2/25/13 at 6:38pm
I bought a low cost unit at Fry's for around $50.00, it has adjustable arms which allow it to fit (many units)

I did then use long screws and some nuts as spacers to lower it to the correct placement.

You might want one with a little more range for adjustment of the drop, I got lucky and with my screen hanging from the ceiling it all came together.

Rich
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post #538 of 758
2/25/13 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by 88Driver View Post

No, building an enclosure is purely to move the projector back to increase the throw distance. Directly over my planned seating area, is a box around some duct work that is 3' wide and comes down 12" from the ceiling. If I mount the projector in front of this, my throw distance will only be about 8.5'. If I make an enclosure inside this boxed area and mount the projector inside, I can increase that to at least 9.5", which would make a big difference on screen size.

OK. In my opinion. 1 foot sounds like a lot of work. It might hide the projector nicely. But being so close to a duct, will it bring more heat to the unit.
You can use the zoom function. You'll have space.
I would get your screen placement. And projector placement. Hold it up. Experiment with different positions before you mess with the duct. You may
find you don't have to touch the duct at all. I positioned my set up multiple times. Did my calculations. Drilled my wholes. If I made a mistake. Make new holes.
All before painting the ceiling etc. I hope I understand what your trying to do. But those would be my concerns in my opinion. Good luck!

iMIKE THEATRE
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post #539 of 758
2/25/13 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Your running a BenQ W1070??

Tell me, do you have color level and tint controls in HDMI and other inputs??

The BenQ projector I tried grayed out all the color controls.

Note the Epson has all controls active.

I feel the Epson is much more feature rich.

Rich


Have no color level or tint controls at all as far as my experience so far, the only think that is keeping me away from the Epson is the inability on not having Lens shift and so forth watched a 3D at a Audio & Video store and the Epson 3D was excellent., so if I could use it, would buy it in a heart beat.
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post #540 of 758
2/25/13 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

Have no color level or tint controls at all as far as my experience so far, the only think that is keeping me away from the Epson is the inability on not having Lens shift and so forth watched a 3D at a Audio & Video store and the Epson 3D was excellent., so if I could use it, would buy it in a heart beat.

Consider, a little extra work mounting it correctly and your done.

All the lens shift does is make mounting it a little easier, once done you will NEVER use it again.

Granted you may not need to adjust the color levels or tint controls all that often BUT with so many ways to get video (Cable, DVD, Hulu, Netflix, Internet) I do adjust from time to time and so I do use my color controls from time to time.

I do not need to adjust my projectors position....ever.

Rich
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