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post #781 of 1059
Thanks for the reply.
I upgraded from Sanyo Plv z1080hd and epson amazes me.

Tried 2d to3d conversion, it's better than my Samsung plasma tv d7000 59 inch


The good thing is I can use my Samsung glasses for epson too
post #782 of 1059
lucky bastard. =D
post #783 of 1059
Does anyone know if all new boxes of these 3020's come with the 2 pair of 3D glasses?
post #784 of 1059
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Originally Posted by PigBoT View Post

Does anyone know if all new boxes of these 3020's come with the 2 pair of 3D glasses?

Yep.
post #785 of 1059
I have a unique situation I'd like some advice on. I have a PS3 and an iView 3500STB (OTA Receiver) connected to a Yamaha RXV673 via HDMI. The Yamaha is connected to my Epson 3020 through a 40' HDMI cable (with redmere technology). The problem is this... When I view anything from the PS3 the picture is perfect. Audio is perfect. When I switch to the iView OTA receiver I get sporadic video problems. The audio is fine but the screen blanks out randomly for up to 20 seconds at a time (while audio is playing). During the time the screen is blanked out the projector does not respond to commands from the remote. I have done a fair amount of trouble shooting on this setup. I have HDMI link turned off on the projector and the Yamaha. I connected a low-end Vizio LCD in place of the EPSON and I have no video issues. Sounds like the projector right? Here is where it gets interesting. I swapped out the Yamaha for a powered HDMI switch. On the EPSON I turned on the HDMI Link. PS3 video is fine but iView OTA suffers from the same screen blanking problem. If I turn off HDMI link on the projector then PS3 video is fine and iView OTA video is fine too. So now you'd think that the iView is sending crap out over the HDMI link and telling the EPSON to ignore HDMI link is the answer. So why does the problem recur when the Yamaha is put back in place of the switch? I thought OK so the Yamaha is responding to the HDMI Link, even though it is turned off on the Yamaha and firmware is updated, but remember when the screen is blank the EPSON will not respond to the remote--this tells me its the projector reacting to something. Any suggestions? The espon has been great so far--the picture is fantastic! FYI: I have version 4 firmware on the iView.
post #786 of 1059
^^^ I'm not sure why you think the problem lies with the Epson and not your 'budget' iView OTA receiver.

Try posting your problem in the HDMI Q&A - The One Connector World for a better response.
post #787 of 1059
You might also try setting the Yamaha to "pass through" only.
post #788 of 1059
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Originally Posted by mzorola View Post

I have a unique situation I'd like some advice on. I have a PS3 and an iView 3500STB (OTA Receiver) connected to a Yamaha RXV673 via HDMI. The Yamaha is connected to my Epson 3020 through a 40' HDMI cable (with redmere technology). The problem is this... When I view anything from the PS3 the picture is perfect. Audio is perfect. When I switch to the iView OTA receiver I get sporadic video problems. The audio is fine but the screen blanks out randomly for up to 20 seconds at a time (while audio is playing). During the time the screen is blanked out the projector does not respond to commands from the remote. I have done a fair amount of trouble shooting on this setup. I have HDMI link turned off on the projector and the Yamaha. I connected a low-end Vizio LCD in place of the EPSON and I have no video issues. Sounds like the projector right? Here is where it gets interesting. I swapped out the Yamaha for a powered HDMI switch. On the EPSON I turned on the HDMI Link. PS3 video is fine but iView OTA suffers from the same screen blanking problem. If I turn off HDMI link on the projector then PS3 video is fine and iView OTA video is fine too. So now you'd think that the iView is sending crap out over the HDMI link and telling the EPSON to ignore HDMI link is the answer. So why does the problem recur when the Yamaha is put back in place of the switch? I thought OK so the Yamaha is responding to the HDMI Link, even though it is turned off on the Yamaha and firmware is updated, but remember when the screen is blank the EPSON will not respond to the remote--this tells me its the projector reacting to something. Any suggestions? The espon has been great so far--the picture is fantastic! FYI: I have version 4 firmware on the iView.

It's most likely 40' cable degrading signal quality. Not every source and sink behaves same with that kind of length. I am having problems with 30' itself. Try with 15' cable first.
post #789 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

^^^ I'm not sure why you think the problem lies with the Epson and not your 'budget' iView OTA receiver.

Try posting your problem in the HDMI Q&A - The One Connector World for a better response.

I know my problem child is the iView. I suspect it puts out garbage over the HDMI Link channel. What I am trying to figure out is how to get the other components to ignore this channel or to determine if there is something else I am not considering.
post #790 of 1059

  I have posted many times on this forum about HDMI problems.  You can search my name and find some info on HDMI.  The 40' cable is probably the culprit.  Move your projector near your equipment or vice versa whichever is easier and test the system with short cables 2 meter or less.  If it works you have a cabling problem, plain and simple.  I don't care if it works with one item and not the other, that is analog thinking and there is a lot more going on with digital signaling and you won't find the root of the problem that way.  You need to find out if you have a cabling problem or an equipment problem and the easiest way to do that without test equipment is test with short cables.

post #791 of 1059
Just be wary of anywhere/anyone selling used/openbox pj's that have zero hours. Its very easy to reset lamp hrs to zero.
I see it all the time on eBay. Used pj's being sold with 'new lamp just fitted' selling for less than a couple of hundred bucks. Why would you fit a new $300 lamp and then sell it for less lol?
post #792 of 1059
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

  I have posted many times on this forum about HDMI problems.  You can search my name and find some info on HDMI.  The 40' cable is probably the culprit.  Move your projector near your equipment or vice versa whichever is easier and test the system with short cables 2 meter or less.  If it works you have a cabling problem, plain and simple.  I don't care if it works with one item and not the other, that is analog thinking and there is a lot more going on with digital signaling and you won't find the root of the problem that way.  You need to find out if you have a cabling problem or an equipment problem and the easiest way to do that without test equipment is test with short cables.

I thought I had confirmed the issue was not cable related when I got the iView to work bypassing the the Yamaha or a switch and shutting down the HDMI Link. After additional thought I too was thinking I need to verify that 40' cable isn't the problem. I hate to get the projector off the mount but I'll do that first thing in the morning. If it is the cable then I'm gonna need suggestions on a 40' cable that has worked on an Epson 3020. Thanks and I'll post tomorrow my results.
post #793 of 1059
Are the 2 HDMI cables that connect your components to your receiver the same? Have you tried switching them?
post #794 of 1059

When one component works and another doesn't does not mean the cable is Ok.  I'm sure the cable is fine as far as not having a short or loose wire, it is just not capable of the bandwidth you are using.  With HDMI you have to look at the whole circuit and there is enough variability between equipment to make it work with one device and not another.  That doesn't mean the equipment is bad, just one can handle something a little more out of spec than the other.  In other words you got lucky.  I know it is a bit of a pain to get all the equipment together but it saves a lot of tail chasing once you rule out whether it is the equipment or the cable.  If it is the cable there are solutions to solve it.  If it is the equipment then it is time to go through all your settings and possibly replace one of your components.  But, that is a little more tricky to figure which component is causing the problem.  With HDMI it is often not the one you think.  Receivers get blamed a lot and Yamaha is one of the VERY few companies that actually submits their products for HDMI/HDCP testing.

 

 But, do the test with short cables and let us know what happens.  Sometimes it can be a problem with one of the short cables but this is a lot less likely.  For someone without test equipment this is the best they can do to start the diagnostic process.

post #795 of 1059
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Originally Posted by mzorola View Post

I thought I had confirmed the issue was not cable related when I got the iView to work bypassing the the Yamaha or a switch and shutting down the HDMI Link. After additional thought I too was thinking I need to verify that 40' cable isn't the problem. I hate to get the projector off the mount but I'll do that first thing in the morning. If it is the cable then I'm gonna need suggestions on a 40' cable that has worked on an Epson 3020. Thanks and I'll post tomorrow my results.

40' is a pretty long run for hdmi, even if it's 24 awg cable. Anything over 20' can start to have issues with some content and/or components, if your cable isn't up to the task. I'd suggest you look into Red Mere, their not the cheapest, but reasonable $52 for a 40' run. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025506&p_id=9431&seq=1&format=2
Just remember if you get the Red Mere, the data flows in a certain direction, they can be hooked up wrong.
post #796 of 1059
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

40' is a pretty long run for hdmi, even if it's 24 awg cable. Anything over 20' can start to have issues with some content and/or components, if your cable isn't up to the task. I'd suggest you look into Red Mere, their not the cheapest, but reasonable $52 for a 40' run. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025506&p_id=9431&seq=1&format=2
Just remember if you get the Red Mere, the data flows in a certain direction, they can be hooked up wrong.

So I took my EPSON off the mount and plugged it into the Yamaha using a short monoprice 3ft 28AWG High Speed HDMI® Cable w/Ferrite Cores. I still have the exact same issue. As an aside my 40' HDMI run is with a monoprice Redmere HDMI cable in the right direction (double checked). I know the iView is the real source of the problem--I suspect it is sending our garbage over the HDMI Link channel causing havoc on the receiving equipment. If I could find a good quality OTA receiver with HDMI out I'd dump the iView. Its so frustrating because it looks like I am so close to getting a solution. The iView offers component out but the Yamaha will only convert 480i/576i to HDMI. The Yamaha supports upscaling/conversion of HDMI so I thought it would clean-up the HDMI signal but apparently not.

I will go back and look over cables again to see if I haven't double checked a short cable.
post #797 of 1059
Have you set the Yamaha to "pass through only" if you can? Maybe it's not playing well with the iView?
post #798 of 1059

Well, the first thing to check is some of the settings of the equipment.  I'm not familiar with the iView so I don't know it specifically.  On the Yamaha set everything to pass through and in the advanced menu set monitor check to skip.

 

If the iView has deep color or higher than 8 bit (24 bit) than turn those off.  Turn off RGB and us 4:2:2 setting if it has one.  Turn off CEC on all devices.

 

Try the iView at lower resolutions first.  try 480i/p then 720p.  Do any of the resolutions work?

 

Do this testing with short cables to rule out any other variables.

 

Magnavox, Channel Master and Tivo make DVR OTA Tuners.  The Tivo charges a monthly fee though.

post #799 of 1059
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

Well, the first thing to check is some of the settings of the equipment.  I'm not familiar with the iView so I don't know it specifically.  On the Yamaha set everything to pass through and in the advanced menu set monitor check to skip.

If the iView has deep color or higher than 8 bit (24 bit) than turn those off.  Turn off RGB and us 4:2:2 setting if it has one.  Turn off CEC on all devices.

Try the iView at lower resolutions first.  try 480i/p then 720p.  Do any of the resolutions work?

Do this testing with short cables to rule out any other variables.

Magnavox, Channel Master and Tivo make DVR OTA Tuners.  The Tivo charges a monthly fee though.
jnabq - I did try those settings on the Yamaha. No luck.

I decided to throw in the towel on this one, the media room has been a mess for too long, and so I put together the following arrangement:

My EPSON 3020 is connected via 40' Redmere HDMI cable to a powered switch. The switch has input 1 connected to the iView and input 2 connected to the Yamaha. The Yamaha in turn connects to the PS3. By bypassing the Yamaha I can get a consistent picture from the iView to the EPSON. The iView has a digital out for audio and so that is connected to the Yamaha as well. Fortunately my Harmony remote handles all the settings well. This arrangement works. It was a last resort because I had/have a good Yamaha receiver and I was using that in conjunction with the switch but after the Yamaha 673 went on sale I thought it would be great to have an all-in-one solution for audio and HDMI video switching in one device. Oh well.

Thanks everyone for your help. I appreciate it.
post #800 of 1059
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Originally Posted by mzorola View Post

jnabq - I did try those settings on the Yamaha. No luck.

I decided to throw in the towel on this one, the media room has been a mess for too long, and so I put together the following arrangement:

My EPSON 3020 is connected via 40' Redmere HDMI cable to a powered switch. The switch has input 1 connected to the iView and input 2 connected to the Yamaha. The Yamaha in turn connects to the PS3. By bypassing the Yamaha I can get a consistent picture from the iView to the EPSON. The iView has a digital out for audio and so that is connected to the Yamaha as well. Fortunately my Harmony remote handles all the settings well. This arrangement works. It was a last resort because I had/have a good Yamaha receiver and I was using that in conjunction with the switch but after the Yamaha 673 went on sale I thought it would be great to have an all-in-one solution for audio and HDMI video switching in one device. Oh well.

Thanks everyone for your help. I appreciate it.


Sorry it didn't work out, but at least you have a work around. There are fw updates to these Epsons occasionally, so you might check with epson to see if a new fw might be available? I dunno if it would help, but might be worth a call to support?

Steps to check the firmware on the 3010, might be the same as your 3020?

Press and hold the Menu button on the remote control or on the projector’s control panel for at least 8 seconds, then release
Within 4 seconds of releasing the Menu button: Press and release the ESC button twice, (Esc + Esc)
Then either on the Remote controller or Projector’s control panel; press the “Right” directional button on the 4-way Menu Navigation buttons to get to the “Versions” screen

Confirm the FW version, look at the line that starts with the letter “P"
The projector's current firmware is the last three digits of the first line (P)
To exit - press the Menu button once
post #801 of 1059

Your solution is fine and with the remote it is seamless.  Since you already had the switch it also didn't cost you anything which is good.  Sometimes these solutions are not inexpensive to trick this stuff to work together. 

post #802 of 1059
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If you can position your projector exactly, the lens shift isn't needed. I'm keystoning just a couple of points just because the pipe I got to hang down from the ceiling is a little too long (so the projector is too low) but I don't notice any quality difference. I have an 8 foot ceiling and should have hung it as flush as possible but instead it's about 6 inches down. No big deal.

Jimmy,

We are having a ton of issues with our new 3020 - most notably - the length of pipe from the ceiling. Long story short - the AV guy that helped me get started with the mounting used a 12 inch pipe - effectively putting the center of the lens at 21 inches from the ceiling. The viewable area of my screen starts at 13 inches - so we are easily 8 or 9 inches lower than where we should be.

Then our guy used extensive keystoning to square up the picture - which also had the projector skewing to the right (based on positioning of the screen on the feature wall). The end result was a disaster - I was so upset with the image that I bit my tongue and waited until he left and then started a study as to why this projector looks so crappy.

Turns out - I need to align lens center at exactly 13 inches (shorter pipe) and move the screen into a position so that the lens is at a perfect 90 degrees. We are still waiting for the new pipe - so I haven't started any real "re-alignment" work yet. But I have been reading about focus issues with the 3020 (much earleir in this thread) when this unit is ceiling mounted.

So - is it possible I got a dud 3020 (that does not focus right when flipped over) or is it just the fact that my projector is so out of wack with the screen - that's causing my massive disappointment?

Appreciate any tips on where to go with this...

Cheers,

VP
post #803 of 1059
Hey Vocalpoint,
Keystoning has a pretty bad reputation for any projector, so that is far and away the most likely culprit. Why not move your projector mount instead of your screen? Usually that is easier. I would test the projector right side up on an end table now to see how good it can look without any keystoning, and then compare your eventual ceiling mount to that.
post #804 of 1059
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Originally Posted by TrickMcKaha View Post

Key-stoning has a pretty bad reputation for any projector, so that is far and away the most likely culprit. Why not move your projector mount instead of your screen? Usually that is easier. I would test the projector right side up on an end table now to see how good it can look without any keystoning, and then compare your eventual ceiling mount to that.

Trick,

It's really no problem to move the screen - the way we have it right now (Elite Screens Cinegray 92") is on it's two mounting posts coming off the ceiling. If I loosen the screws - the screen can be moved horizontally to be in exact "line" with the lens. The problem started from my AV guy (and to some extent - my wife) wanting the screen (when dropped) to line up "exactly" with a cabinet we have mounted in the new media room. Our projector mount - on the other hand - is dead center with the feature wall and I knew there would be problems if the camera was tilted over about 4 or 5 degrees (Skewing the image for sure)...not to mention the fact that will such a long pipe from the mount - you can see the projector pointing "upward" to get something on screen.

Take all that together - with Joe Keystone (our AV guy) casually waving his hands (and my Epson remote) around saying that this projector can compensate for anything with it's "offset" and blah blah blah - and then when we finally fired up a movie - I thought I needed new glasses - it sucked so bad. Just goes to show you what this guy does not know.

So now - I wait for a much shorter pipe - to bring the projector lens center up by 6 or 7 inches and as close to "in line" with the start of the viewable screen area as possible. I even bought a new laser level to ensure the projector is 100% square in the mount. Then we will slide the screen into position once the PJ is finally set. Feng Shui be damned with that new wall cabinet smile.gif

Right now tho - it's a giant PITA to have my family walking around wondering why I am complaining so much - while to them - any 92 inch movie image - whether in focus or not even close - is the cats ass.

But to me - it looks so crappy that I refuse to turn the thing on (and waste any bulb time) while it's sitting on this long ass pole - crooked, off center and doing nothing.

VP
post #805 of 1059
Hello guys.first: im sorry about my language.i just bought screen from Elite screens vmax120uwh2 and already install on the wall.also i bought projector 3020 and wall mount upside down. The problem is i dont know where i have to install projector which location ?in the center of screen or of the screen box,?im lucky i have stud exactly in center of the screen where the projector will b mounted. But how high to mount idk:( i dont want use keystone ... Help me please
post #806 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Jrvigurik View Post

Hello guys.first: im sorry about my language.i just bought screen from Elite screens vmax120uwh2 and already install on the wall.also i bought projector 3020 and wall mount upside down. The problem is i dont know where i have to install projector which location ?in the center of screen or of the screen box,?im lucky i have stud exactly in center of the screen where the projector will b mounted. But how high to mount idk:( i dont want use keystone ... Help me please

My current understanding is the 3020 has no tolerance whatsoever for being "off-center" in any way. And stay far away from ANY keystoning.

I am going thru the same struggles right now and - from all the studying I have done - once the projector is mounted - AND can be confirmed to be 100% square with your intended screen position (I will be using some heavy duty laser levelling to ensure my mount location is 100% accurate - you then need to strive to make the lens center line up exactly with the start of your screen viewable area (at the top where the screen changes from black to white).

Over here - I am so disappointed with our first go around (we made the mistake of making the screen the primary focus - when dropped - to line up nicely with furniture in the room) and then aimed the PJ at it - with no care whatsoever for the following:

1. Center of PJ lens height from ceiling (21 inches)
2. Start of the screen viewable area from ceiling (13 inches)
3. Whether or not the lens was square with the screen and so on (it's not - we have a 4 degree tilt to the right)

With the above - my Epson lens is sitting 8 inches lower than it should be and is pointing about 4 degrees to the right. Any image from it is a disaster. So if you really want to get off on the wrong foot with your projector - do not do want I did!

As soon as I can get this PJ height trimming down by 7 or 8 inches - I should be getting a much better picture (I hope)

Cheers,

VP
post #807 of 1059
I understand you right? I have to mount projector lens exactly in the center of the top of white screen not the black?and it has to be horizontaly? And then i domt need use keystone? Is this correct?
post #808 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Jrvigurik View Post

I understand you right? I have to mount projector lens exactly in the center of the top of white screen not the black?and it has to be horizontaly? And then i domt need use keystone? Is this correct?

Well - I assume your projector is hanging upside down on the ceiling? Then the horizonal "center" of the lens should be exactly in line with the exact center (Top) where your screen turns from black to white.

Since the PJ is upside down - it is projecting a straight line along the top of the screen position - so you do not want to point the lens center at the actual dead center of the screen - that would make the lens point downward at a slight angle.

My understanding is that the lens center should be on a perfect "level" straight line with the "top center"of your screen position.

VP
post #809 of 1059
Im gona use wall mount upside down.im little confused.so the best way do not use keystone is matching center of lens and center of top white screen? Not higher?correct,?exactly in center.what about offset?
post #810 of 1059
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Originally Posted by Jrvigurik View Post

Im gona use wall mount upside down.im little confused.so the best way do not use keystone is matching center of lens and center of top white screen? Not higher?correct,?exactly in center.what about offset?

My understanding is that this projector has no offset whatsoever.

If you can imagine a straight laser coming out of the center of the lens - the laser beam should be pointing directly on the spot at the "top" center of your screen (when down) where the black transitions to white.

Example - If your screen is 80 inches wide - the "horizontal" lens center should be aimed at exactly 40 inches in (dead center) and at the exact point at the top of the screen where black ends and white starts.

VP
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