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post #121 of 254
Actually, I'm going a little bit more now than I did when the movie theaters were booming.
Why?
I'm legally deaf and need caption to catch what is going on at the movies... you can't lipread as the camera is always moving around.
So caption on DVD movies kept me at home.
Now, the past year or so, some movie theaters are featuring closed caption and I find myself going once a month or so whereas I didn't go for several years before.
So, even though I love my setup at home, I still like to see the new releases at the local movie theaters that have caption.
I go during the week where I don't have to put up with crowds, squalling babies, cell phone users etc.
AND it is fun to take my lovely wife out to dinner before the movie... date night we call it. Women love that.
post #122 of 254
An addendum to a previous post:

I went to see Skyfall last night at the local "cinny-on-too-many" with a buddy.

Sat through 20 minutes of too loud "boom boom" trailers, then watched Skyfall. Screen seemed kind of dim. The sound was awful!

No surround and the bass was pitiful. When a building exploded on screen - I heard very little and felt little at all. Same for when there was a crashed vehicle (purposely being vague for those who have not seen it) - nothing.

I get better sounds with my Hsu sub and modest Mirage tower speakers than at the cinema!

I am thinking of movie night once a month with my buds - a better movie experience.
post #123 of 254
1) Folks have so many more ways to be entertained than ever
2) Fewer compelling films
3) Movie going demographic
4) Ecomomy
5) Movie going exerience can be exceeded at home

I know I have a better experience all around at home. I can watch movies with a pause button and a glass of wine in my hand at exactly when I want and have the time.

Art
Edited by Art Sonneborn - 11/15/12 at 4:00pm
post #124 of 254
Movie tickets for a family of four in my area is roughly $50.00 plus snacks and drinks another $30.00. So you are talking about $80.00 plus bucks. Then you have to deal with rude loud people at times, sticky floors and possibly your car getting broken into. Or even better you pay for everything and then one of your kids decides they want to go home. I for one have not gone to the movies in the past three years. My family and I love watching movies at home and have been spoiled with the amount of technology that is now available to try and recreate a cinematic experience in the convenience of our home. Fortunately I have a wife that understands my crazy obsession with home theater and now enjoys it as much as I do. And if the kids get tired, they can go upstairs.
post #125 of 254
I was listening to an ancient HT Guys podcast today (#476) where they were discussing the super-upscale cinema-slash-dining experience.

Braden an Ari made a good point. They reminded listeners how many times the demise of movie houses has been predicted over the past 60 years. And yet...
post #126 of 254
.....and yet, society and technology is the main cause of isolation of people, on their iphones, ipads, droids, kindle, you name it.....we are all turning into non-social butterflies. And let's not forget, the poor economy with huge inflation wink.gif
post #127 of 254
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.....And let's not forget, the poor economy with huge inflation wink.gif
Big reason why I stay home. My wife and I watch several movies at home a week from Blockbuster and streaming. I save a LOT of money a year staying home with my big screen surround sound system. I'll still go once a month to a movie theater though.
post #128 of 254
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.....and yet, society and technology is the main cause of isolation of people, on their iphones, ipads, droids, kindle, you name it.....we are all turning into non-social butterflies. And let's not forget, the poor economy with huge inflation wink.gif

Yup.

http://www.amazon.com/Bowling-Alone-Collapse-American-Community/dp/0743203046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353087915&sr=8-1&keywords=bowling+alone
post #129 of 254
I haven't finished reading the entire thread, but this is a topic I am very passionate about.

Sorry for the typos in advanced (darned iPad auto-correct).

I too used to see at least 1 movie a week while I was in college (15 years ago) I would usually go to a matinee after school because it was cheaper, but I also went to evening showings as social events with friends.

The decline in movie theater sales can be attributed to many things.

1) As many have mentioned, the prices have become prohibitive. The trouble with this, is that most theaters do not control the prices of the tickets. It was mentioned early in the thread that a theater owner was in the "pop and popcorn" business. This is something that is outside the theaters control and if Hollywood wants to fix it, they will need to come up with a different model.

2) My next point is that not all theaters are created equal. The theater in my home town (Bozeman, MT) is about 10 years old and has not been updated since it was built. I don't remember the last movie I saw there, but I find it hard to imagine they are using 4k or better projectors. The last movie I saw in a theater was "The Hunger Games" in Escondido, CA at a theater that is about 4 years old. The picture and sound was better than what I have in my home town, but still not "compelling". I would say that my bar for attending a movie theater has risen since I was in college. I am very interested in this "Cinetopia" I heard about in this thread. That sounds like it may provide a compelling experience. Love the bar (hoping that means it's a full bar, as in I can order a gin and tonic or long island). I am very interested in this.

3) to answer the original question in the thread, yes, IMO ticket sales are declining in part due to home theaters. The trouble I see with this thread is that people are comparing the various levels of home theaters people have, and thinking that you need to spend a substantial amount of money and dedicate a room (with treatments and such) to achieve this experience. The views on this forum are also biased. Most users of this forum expect a much higher standard or experience. However, think about it this way. 10-15 years ago the average size of a home television was 27-35" CRT, no HD, VHS was the dominant player, and it was rare that someone had speakers other than what came with the TV, let alone surround sound. Now, when you compare the theater experience to that, we are talking about a significant difference in the experience. So, depending on your definition of home theater, I would say it is contributing substantially to declining ticket sales. I would argue that the proliferation of 50" ( and larger) displays, as well as the simplicity and access of a HTIB (granted this doesn't or vide the same performance of buying separate components for audio, that's a different discussion) are widely considered "home theater" (there is another thread on here about this, but again different topic) and thus home theater is hurting sales.

4) Other aspects of the experience also hurt sales. Poor PQ and AQ, bad seats, crowded theaters, rude people, low quality food, etc are also contributing.

5) As has also been mentioned, movies at the theater just do not have the same appeal to the younger generation. Somehow I don't think stealing is as big a part of this as has been mentioned. They just have different preferrrences in how they are entertained. Perhaps this is why the video game market has ballooned? The question I would ask is why has my generation stopped going to the theater?

6) I don't have hard data on this, but it sure seems like movies are available on Netflix and red box much sooner than they used to be from the rental stores 10-15 years ago. It seems like it used to be a year or more before a movie went from theaters to a medium that could be rented or purchased. Since I only have to wait about 3 months to rent the movie, it makes going to the theater less compelling.

7) Some have argued in this thread that the content available at the theater isn't as compelling as it used to be. I don't necessarily agree here. I think the quality of movies (story and acting) made now is on par with what was available 15 years ago.
It is really sad. The idea of a date night with my wife and going to see a movie still has appeal to me, but due to the reasons above, we prefer to order take-out, rent and watch at home.
post #130 of 254
Another thing I forgot to mention is that either the cleanliness of theaters has declined or my standards have risen (likely both). I just feel dirty after going to the theater, and I know people who have gotten sick or lice from a movie theater.
post #131 of 254
I was noodling on this quite a bit more, and it seemed that really when people talk about price, they mean value. It isn't that movie theater tickets have gone up in price, it is that the perceived value has declined.

Maybe asked yourself these questions:

Note: When I say "theater", I am not talking about IMAX or Cinetopia. I am talking about a run of the mill AMC/Regal cinema, and not necessarily theater #1 or #2. This would put it on par with what most of America has access to for a theater.
  1. If ticket & concession prices were 25 or 50% less than what they are now, would you still go?
  2. If you only had a 27-35" television at home with VHS, TV speakers, and no HD, would you go to the theater more often?
  3. If the theater experience was IMAX/Cinetopia (permium experience), would you attend the theater more often?
  4. If it took a year or more for a movie in the theater to reach NetFlix/RedBox/etc, would you be more likely to go to the theater regularly? Or put another way, if you could watch new box office releases at home (via a special streaming device?), and assuming it provided 1080p video and HD sound, would this have any bearing on your theater attendance?

Maybe these questions could be used to create a "Which of these factors would most likely affect your theater attendance in a positive way?" pole?

My Answers:
  1. No. I am not sure I see my local theater being worth even free admission over watching at home.
  2. Maybe. It would make the theater much more compelling. It would start to depend on some of the other factors.
  3. Tough for my to answer, but I would definitely try it and if it did provide the experience that many claim, I would likely attend these theaters. How often would depend on cost, but I would probably go 8-16 times a year.
  4. The delay in movies reaching a rental/purchase stage has no effect on my attendance at a theater, although I would be VERY interested in streaming box office releases @ home (depending on cost). This would be worth ~$10 to me.

For reference, I have what I consider a home theater, although I am sure many on here would disagree.

It is a dedicated room, but not fully enclosed. The room is 14' x 18' in a daylight basement. It is not very dark during the day.
I have a 67" Samsung DLP that supports 1080p @ 60hz, HK AVR 3600, 3.1 speakers (Mythos 1 fronts, Mythos 9 center, Outlaw LFM-1 EX sub), and Sony BD player. FWIW, I haven't watched a DVD in months, if not over a year.
post #132 of 254
Of course it is killing the movie theater. Who wants to sit in that fungus chair? The seat are stiff n doesnt recline and I get back pain after sitting there for so long.

But try doing a home theater in an apartment or condo. It is not for everyone.

I got a 120" painted screen and a 7.1 stereo with 12"subwoofer. It is nice at home.
post #133 of 254
I resent the price premium. $5 for a small coke? $15 a ticket

I'd rather sit at home and watch movies on my big TV with my good sound system on my comfy chair and drink beer.

I do like the big screen, I just watched skyfall at the cinema, but it is only for a few movies that truly need to be seen on a huge screen I'll bother going now.
post #134 of 254
I'll chip in here. I just saw The Hobbit at the premiere here in nz. Peter Jackson had the Embassy Theatre completely revamped for the premiere. Added two Christie Projectors, Dolby Atmos, a new screen, and spent whatever money was needed to make it the ultimate theater in the world to show off the first ever film in bright, detailed, 48fps 3D. I sat in the third row middle and the screen took up my entire field of view, exactly how I like it.

Now, it was unbelievably awesome. Definitely the best theater experience of my life. Way, way, way better than the terrible cineplex theaters in the rest of the country. My goal now is to make my home theater that I am building as close as possible to that experience as I can. The thing is, its possible to do rather easily. The only things that at this stage can't be emulated are the 48fps and the speakers in the ceiling that dolby atmos has (which are amazing in the hobbit caves scenes).

Things that can be better in home theater than the best cinemas in the world (all my opinion/observation of course):
1.) contrast (the Christie projectors are a measly 500:1 native contrast) which ALL modern home theater projectors and tvs best.
2.) large screen (if you have the space you can sit 1 screen width from a 140-150" screen and it's better than the theater because you always get the best seat in the house)
3.) bass/LFE (the bass at the hobbit was awesome but it needed to fill a 1000 seat theater, at home you can get crazy and go to bass heaven)
4.) brightness (the big thing peter jackson wanted for the hobbit was "bright" 3D of 10-12fl, this can be much more easily achieve at home)
5.) clearer sound (you can get much more refined amps and speakers at home and everything will be crystal clear, even more so than the theater where they blast loud klipch most places)
6.) comfortable seating (this is a big one, as at home you can recline in the most comfortable seat around with a beer and get all the leg room you want)
7.) fully light controlled (can't really be done in the theater as there's always exit lights and enough light to show the old people where the rest rooms are, home can be full batcave)

So yes, I believe home theater can beat the movie theater (even the best ones in the world) in picture and sound quality and comfort any day of the week.
post #135 of 254
Thanks for that. I'm very much looking forward to seeing The Hobbit in 3D. cool.gif
post #136 of 254
Price is pretty much all that killed it for me. It's pretty ridiculous that I can almost buy the actual Blu-ray for what it costs me for a single ticket to go see a title. Add to it, $8 dollars for a small popcorn and $5 dollars for a Snickers bar. Yeah, no thanks. I'm sorry that less people go to see movies these days, but inflating your prices astronomically is not the way to win back business.
post #137 of 254
the heck yes! the last time i saw a movie in theater that was underworld, $20 for two? not included drinks and chips! no way. i just stay home now sit on my couch with my feet up, enjoying in front of my 55" LED which is ISF Professional Calibrated screen with 5.1 surround sound and $1.50 Bluray from redbox. byebye cinema!
post #138 of 254
Hi..I'm from Malaysia. Over here, it's the opposite. Many people prefer to go to the cinema. The ticket price is about US$ 2 to 3 per person. Home theater is a very small and niche market here...with electronics being overpriced and heavily taxed. Netflix is not accessible here. The average internet speed is about 1Mbps. Standard definition is the norm. Many still live with their 29" CRT and the newer will have 42" plasma/lcd. 50" and above is a premium. Bluray price a piece is about US$ 30.

Conclusion...people here just got no money to enjoy HT...with cinema being the cheaper path.
post #139 of 254
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Originally Posted by TeddyP View Post

Why should you bother to go to the movie theater?
If movie theaters don’t get creative and adapt to the times, they’re in danger of being left behind. What are you thoughts?[Source]

Well, maybe when they offer good sound quality and good picture, with no obnoxious patrons who forgot to wash, and are not eating hamburgers or hotdogs while slurping on their drinks. Then maybe but then again with the sticky floors, overpriced movie tickets, uncomfortable seats and overpriced movies I am not sure.

I am looking forward to see a good movie in Atmos if there is ever one built where I live
post #140 of 254
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I'll chip in here. I just saw The Hobbit at the premiere here in nz. Peter Jackson had the Embassy Theatre completely revamped for the premiere. Added two Christie Projectors, Dolby Atmos, a new screen, and spent whatever money was needed to make it the ultimate theater in the world to show off the first ever film in bright, detailed, 48fps 3D. I sat in the third row middle and the screen took up my entire field of view, exactly how I like it.f the country. My goal now is to make my home theater that I am building as close as possible to that experience as I can.
Cool now that is worth it how much was a ticket $25!! that is the price of a BluRay smile.gif

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The only things that at this stage can't be emulated are the 48fps and the speakers in the ceiling that dolby atmos has (which are amazing in the hobbit caves scenes). .

Soon, AV/Pros with SRS/DTS MDA and Dolby Atmos are only a year away maybe two so as long as you rig your room with enough speakers then you will have a killer system

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Things that can be better in home theater than the best cinemas in the world (all my opinion/observation of course):
1.) contrast (the Christie projectors are a measly 500:1 native contrast) which ALL modern home theater projectors and tvs best.
Agreed my JVC RS35U is outstanding
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2.) large screen (if you have the space you can sit 1 screen width from a 140-150" screen and it's better than the theater because you always get the best seat in the house)
I love my 2:35 StewartFilmScreen G3 10 feet wide I sit 10 feet away smile.gif
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3.) bass/LFE (the bass at the hobbit was awesome but it needed to fill a 1000 seat theater, at home you can get crazy and go to bass heaven)
3000 cf and two JL Audio Fathom F113 make the room shake
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4.) brightness (the big thing peter jackson wanted for the hobbit was "bright" 3D of 10-12fl, this can be much more easily achieve at home)
Forget 3D it makes me physically sick bring in 8K
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5.) clearer sound (you can get much more refined amps and speakers at home and everything will be crystal clear, even more so than the theater where they blast loud klipch most places)
YES YES YES, my B&W 800Diamond will always perform better than any comercial movie theater except may be the one at Lucasfilm smile.gif
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6.) comfortable seating (this is a big one, as at home you can recline in the most comfortable seat around with a beer and get all the leg room you want)
Without a doubt my super comfy chairs that are clean and don't smell like butter will always be better
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7.) fully light controlled (can't really be done in the theater as there's always exit lights and enough light to show the old people where the rest rooms are, home can be full batcave)
That to no lights please , such as cell phones and so on
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So yes, I believe home theater can beat the movie theater (even the best ones in the world) in picture and sound quality and comfort any day of the week.

Agreed a 100% I have not been in a commercial theater for the past seven years and I don't miss it
post #141 of 254
*starts to stir pot* OK, we love out personal home theaters that we put together to suit our taste. That's agreed. For me, I still need the theater experience on occassion just to intermingle with people. Most women I know hate staying at home (especially women with kids.) They want to go out and *gasp* enjoy life. That means dinner, movie, maybe some dancing. To them, the home IS their workplace. You bring up how much cheaper it is to stay home and watch a movie on your superior set-up and I will guarantee that most women will **** an eyebrow at you. Doesn't hurt to go out. The whole technology revolution is making for a bunch of grumpy old hermits.
post #142 of 254
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The whole technology revolution is making for a bunch of grumpy old hermits.

My wife would rather go dancing than watch a movie outside, we have a movie theater at home and I don't mean a big screen TV smile.gif 10 feet wide front projection
post #143 of 254
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My wife would rather go dancing than watch a movie outside, we have a movie theater at home and I don't mean a big screen TV smile.gif 10 feet wide front projection

Don't get me wrong. Women like to watch movies on occassion but not with the frequency men do. We want to sit, veg, and enjoy our hobby. Women have to be "in the mood." I know too many couples right now who are on the verge of breaking up because of that disconnect. Guys think watching a movie at home is "connecting." Go ask a woman if that's their idea of "connecting."
post #144 of 254
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My wife would rather go dancing than watch a movie outside, we have a movie theater at home and I don't mean a big screen TV smile.gif 10 feet wide front projection
My wife likes the fact we can watch what we want, when we want as loud as we want and eat what we want, (especially for women) pause it to go to bathroom and get more food/drinks. That two hour movie may take 3 hours but we have fun!

Women DO like to go dancing than to a theater for sure. tongue.gif

Here is my home theater setup:

3D Blu-ray Disc® Player With Built-in WiFi (BD-E6500) with the Samsung Plasma P59D550 3D HDTV, Pioneer VSX-521-K - 5.1-Channel 3D Ready AV Receiver / Pioneer Tower speaker 5.1 surround system.









When I turn out the lights (day or night) it is totally dark.
Edited by jack54 - 12/4/12 at 6:45pm
post #145 of 254
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

That's why man invented Dance Dance Revolution for the big screen.
All desires fulfilled, dreams realized, needs satisfied...no reason for her to ever be more than 50 feet from the kitchen...or bedroom for that matter.
(OUCH! Sorry dear.)
LOL biggrin.gif
With a setup like yours... who'd want to leave the house!
post #146 of 254
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Always an exception to any rule, especially when it comes to women. My wife enjoys relaxing in the home theater as much as I do. She even likes the same type of movies that I do. Main difference is I can watch the same "Great" movie over and over while she would rather watch a mediocre movie that she hasn't seen before. And yes, we both enjoy going to the theater. Movies at home - about 5 or 6 a week. Out to the movies - 2 to 3 times a month. May seem excessive but we don't have cable or satelite service so movies and the odd tv series on disc is all we watch.

Boy, I wish my wife loved movies that much. She likes to watch them, but she doesn't like to dedicate that much time to them, as I do.

Anyway, the main reason(s) i watch movies at home is for comfort and I don't have anybody kicking the back of my seat. Frankly, I can't stand sitting in a theater with a bunch of people coughing, eating, slurping and fidgeting. Call me pretentious, but I like to watch movies and get INTO the movie. I get easily distracted, so watching them at home is how I prefer to do it. If I know that a theater isn't going to be particularly full, I'll go. Or if the movie is one that I am dying to see, I'll go. But otherwise I buy or rent.
post #147 of 254
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My wife would rather go dancing than watch a movie outside, we have a movie theater at home and I don't mean a big screen TV smile.gif 10 feet wide front projection
Let me just say your theatre sounds incredible. B&w 801s, fathoms, 10ft wide screen. We have very similar tastes. Can't wait until my theater is finished. My screen is nearly 11ft wide!
post #148 of 254
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Boy, I wish my wife loved movies that much. She likes to watch them, but she doesn't like to dedicate that much time to them, as I do.
Anyway, the main reason(s) i watch movies at home is for comfort and I don't have anybody kicking the back of my seat. Frankly, I can't stand sitting in a theater with a bunch of people coughing, eating, slurping and fidgeting. Call me pretentious, but I like to watch movies and get INTO the movie. I get easily distracted, so watching them at home is how I prefer to do it. If I know that a theater isn't going to be particularly full, I'll go. Or if the movie is one that I am dying to see, I'll go. But otherwise I buy or rent.
I work for myself, make my own hours, so when I go to a theater, I go midweek in midafternoon and most of the time maybe there will only be 10-12 people in that big theater.
Great way to watch the BIG screen! biggrin.gif

I NEVER go on weekends or in the evenings....
post #149 of 254
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Originally Posted by tallnick View Post

Let me just say your theatre sounds incredible. B&w 801s, fathoms, 10ft wide screen. We have very similar tastes. Can't wait until my theater is finished. My screen is nearly 11ft wide!

Gracias, Cool please post pictures when it is finished

B&W 800Diamonds, http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/800_Series_Diamond/800-Diamond.html
post #150 of 254
As has been stated, home theaters are having no impact on movie sales. All the various reasons have been listed. There are just too few people that will spend $$$$ on a reasonable theater. Components alone are going to run $4k-$6k for even a budget system like mine. That is with an existing space and painted wall as a screen. You can have a lot of movie nights for what many here will spend on a theater.

Now if the question were; What about your home theater keeps you from going to the Cineplex? Or even what would it take to get you to the Cineplex and out of your home theater? Those would be interesting and some have already been detailed here.

Couple of nuggets; In a home theater you can watch sports, play video games and TV programming on par or better than if you watched it in a theater. But you can’t for the most part do that in a theater and you can do it anytime you want under your roof.

Side note: one thing that amuses me about my wife is that before I had a theater she thought I was nuts even doing the basic one I have/had. Now that we are without a theater during the rebuild, she doesn’t want to watch any movies until it’s done!
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