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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi,
ok first let me apologize for not being able to sift and search through the http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-owners-thread/780 or being able to find this problem in search. It probably is in here somewhere but I am on info overload right now. I appreciate any help.

I have owned Samsung in the past and have LOVED their DLP's and the LCD's from 2-3 years back, so I bought the UN65ES8000. I love the set except for on little, big problem, there is like a banding, or uneven brightness "strips" which are vertical, about 4-5 inches in width that run from top to bottom of the screen. 80-90 percent of the time its not even noticeable, but when there is a solid color filling most of the screen, like a plain white back drop in a commercial it is very, very annoying. Also when there are "lighter scenes" like cloudy backgrounds, or when watching a baseball or football game it is really quite unbearable.

I thought my screen was defective so Samsung sent out a tech and he replaced the LCD panel, basically a brand new TV, but the problem is still there, so I can't imagine its the screen? Do you think it needs a break in period even though its not supposed to need one? I also noticed that some people on here said that Samsung said that they should keep the backlighting at 7 for 3 weeks to try to correct brightness and "cloud" like problems but haven't been able to find any posts on wether that works or not as it seems most decide not to be bothered with that for 3 weeks which I totally understand.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
-Brian
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by BriOnH View Post

Hi,
ok first let me apologize for not being able to sift and search through the http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-owners-thread/780 or being able to find this problem in search. It probably is in here somewhere but I am on info overload right now. I appreciate any help.
I have owned Samsung in the past and have LOVED their DLP's and the LCD's from 2-3 years back, so I bought the UN65ES8000. I love the set except for on little, big problem, there is like a banding, or uneven brightness "strips" which are vertical, about 4-5 inches in width that run from top to bottom of the screen. 80-90 percent of the time its not even noticeable, but when there is a solid color filling most of the screen, like a plain white back drop in a commercial it is very, very annoying. Also when there are "lighter scenes" like cloudy backgrounds, or when watching a baseball or football game it is really quite unbearable.
I thought my screen was defective so Samsung sent out a tech and he replaced the LCD panel, basically a brand new TV, but the problem is still there, so I can't imagine its the screen? Do you think it needs a break in period even though its not supposed to need one? I also noticed that some people on here said that Samsung said that they should keep the backlighting at 7 for 3 weeks to try to correct brightness and "cloud" like problems but haven't been able to find any posts on wether that works or not as it seems most decide not to be bothered with that for 3 weeks which I totally understand.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
-Brian

vertical banding is common on the Samsung S-PVA panels used in this set and others... the backlight structure can also contribute to this as well

bottom line is it's normal for this TV, so if you don't like it you're better off with another brand/set (not using a S-PVA panel)
post #3 of 20
I totally understand not wanting to sift through the other thread, but by posting there, you may have gotten a quicker response and probably more responses. I can tell you this.... This issue is plaguing the 65". It is the panel. Some are better or worse than other but I have yet to see someone post about the 65" that didn't have it. I believe Samsung may even have stopped production of the 65", although I'm not sure they'd admit this is why. I have a 60" and there is no banding at all. No break in will change the banding issue although some settings seem to alleviate it. Read the last 2 pages of the other thread. If you can't live with it, return it for another and another until you're happy, or have them keep replacing the panel until you're happy. If that doesn't work for you but want the Samsung, try the 60" if that works for you. Unless you're loaded, then try the 75" 9000, which still has banding but it seems to be much less. If you still want an LED LCD 65" but can't take the banding or switching them out, the Sony 950 appears to have less banding, perhaps more in line with the 9000 - but it is more expensive thank your 65".

Some of the clouding will diminish after 3 weeks or so. I didn't believe it, but it was true. Some settings and other techniques can diminish that as well.

Good luck in whatever you decide!
post #4 of 20
I'll echo Garnoch -- I have the 55" model and have no banding and am very happy with the set. However, I haven't seen, or can't recall, anyone posting in the monster owners' thread to say they've got a banding-free 65". While it's true that you're likely to hear complaints from users popping in more than you're likely to hear someone randomly chiming in to say "no issues," I am still struck by how few (if any) posters are reporting a great 65" panel, and distressed to hear how many seem to have gone through multiple sets or panels looking for a banding-free set. If I had a 65" and was happy with it, great; if it was distracting at all, I'd push back until I was satisfied.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I totally understand not wanting to sift through the other thread, but by posting there, you may have gotten a quicker response and probably more responses. I can tell you this.... This issue is plaguing the 65". It is the panel. Some are better or worse than other but I have yet to see someone post about the 65" that didn't have it. I believe Samsung may even have stopped production of the 65", although I'm not sure they'd admit this is why. I have a 60" and there is no banding at all. No break in will change the banding issue although some settings seem to alleviate it. Read the last 2 pages of the other thread. If you can't live with it, return it for another and another until you're happy, or have them keep replacing the panel until you're happy. If that doesn't work for you but want the Samsung, try the 60" if that works for you. Unless you're loaded, then try the 75" 9000, which still has banding but it seems to be much less. If you still want an LED LCD 65" but can't take the banding or switching them out, the Sony 950 appears to have less banding, perhaps more in line with the 9000 - but it is more expensive thank your 65".
Some of the clouding will diminish after 3 weeks or so. I didn't believe it, but it was true. Some settings and other techniques can diminish that as well.
Good luck in whatever you decide!

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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

I'll echo Garnoch -- I have the 55" model and have no banding and am very happy with the set. However, I haven't seen, or can't recall, anyone posting in the monster owners' thread to say they've got a banding-free 65". While it's true that you're likely to hear complaints from users popping in more than you're likely to hear someone randomly chiming in to say "no issues," I am still struck by how few (if any) posters are reporting a great 65" panel, and distressed to hear how many seem to have gone through multiple sets or panels looking for a banding-free set. If I had a 65" and was happy with it, great; if it was distracting at all, I'd push back until I was satisfied.

What panel version do each of you have? Check the white sticker on the back of the TV for the code followed by "Version". Samsung S-PVA panels begin with Txxx. It's quite possible the 55" and 60" are not S-PVA. Every S-PVA I've ever seen has vertical banding, which is most obvious on a solid dark gray field. It's less obvious with other material, though, so without a test pattern on the screen you may not realize you have it in some cases.
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 10/20/12 at 10:23am
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
Should I go with the Samsung 8000 Plasma? Does anyone have experience with that set? I love the technology in this tv and want to keep that. Hand and voice commands work pretty darn good for me, and love the smart hub. Thank you so much for the replies.
post #7 of 20
Some people like LCD, some people like plasma, but plasma has it's own issues too, nothing is perfect. What it seems to come down to a lot is if you watch TV mostly in a very dark room, you may prefer plasma, if your room is often very light, it may not work for you.

PlasmaPZ80U, I'll get back to you. I've heard no complaint (although there must be one) on banding on the lower size screen. I have the AVS files and the WOW disc and can find any personally. If it's there, it's definitely a non-issue for me being it can't be seen. Mine is 60". I'll get back to you though. Thanks.
Edited by Garnoch - 10/23/12 at 5:05am
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

What panel version do each of you have? Check the white sticker on the back of the TV for the code followed by "Version". Samsung S-PVA panels begin with Txxx. It's quite possible the 55" and 60" are not S-PVA. Every S-PVA I've ever seen has vertical banding, which is most obvious on a solid dark gray field. It's less obvious with other material, though, so without a test pattern on the screen you may not realize you have it in some cases.

I'm not sure I see anything about a panel the way you describe it, but the only things that are close are these....

Version No: HS01

and

Contains Tx FCC ID :A3LWIB30A
Contains Tx FCC ID :A3LWIDT20R
post #9 of 20
There is no help, I'm afraid. They're all like this, especially at 65". Been there, done that. You need to exchange for a different brand if you can. Try Sony HX950 for far less banding, and supposedly the Sharp sets have zero banding.
post #10 of 20
For a 65" and for LCD, I agree.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

What panel version do each of you have? Check the white sticker on the back of the TV for the code followed by "Version". Samsung S-PVA panels begin with Txxx. It's quite possible the 55" and 60" are not S-PVA. Every S-PVA I've ever seen has vertical banding, which is most obvious on a solid dark gray field. It's less obvious with other material, though, so without a test pattern on the screen you may not realize you have it in some cases.

Mine is TS01. Even on a solid gray background, I could barely discern banding, and then only when specifically looking for it. I have never seen it while actually enjoying content, though if I dial up specific images and hunt for it, I can sometimes see (or think I see) a mild band.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I'm not sure I see anything about a panel the way you describe it, but the only things that are close are these....
Version No: HS01
and
Contains Tx FCC ID :A3LWIB30A
Contains Tx FCC ID :A3LWIDT20R

Yeah, HS01 is a Sharp panel (ASV I think), not a Samsung S-PVA.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

Mine is TS01. Even on a solid gray background, I could barely discern banding, and then only when specifically looking for it. I have never seen it while actually enjoying content, though if I dial up specific images and hunt for it, I can sometimes see (or think I see) a mild band.

so you have a little bit; it seems all S-PVA's have it but not to the same extent (mine is closer to what you describe than others but probably a bit worse)
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Yeah, HS01 is a Sharp panel (ASV I think), not a Samsung S-PVA.

Really now? That's very interesting and I had no idea. I'll count myself lucky I guess. Thanks for that info.
post #15 of 20
The only solutions to the 65es8000 banding issues is another brand TV.

Sharp 70 845/847 has no banding

Sony 65X950 has limited to no banding.

Every es8000 65 TV has banding.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Garnoch,
Thank you for your posts - I think I am going to try the 60 inch. I love samsung, and i really do love this TV and the picture - when I can't see the banding.

From what I have read the 60 inch is also prone to "clouding" but seems to go away with some break in time> . If it weren't for the banding of this 65" it would be perfect frown.gif. Is there anything else I can expect with the 60 inch? Obviously there is a chance of banding, and clouding; Did your's come with the picture you expected right out of the box (minus calibration obv)?

Does anyone else have the 60"? Is there anyone out there with a 65" with no banding?

-Thank you for your help
post #17 of 20
you might want to take this discussion to the UNXXES8000 owners thread for more eyes. It seems like almost everyone who has posted has had some form of banding on the 65, some report minimal.
post #18 of 20
65" yes, but rare with the others. BriOnH, if you're set on a Samsung, then I think you'll probably be very happy with the 60". I have no regrets with mine, I love it. Out of the box, I was actually a little worried, mostly because of sharpness being way too high. Search the web or the 8000 thread for some settings, and/or grab the AVS files or the Disney WOW disc (or comparable disc) to set it up yourself. If you need a good starting point, click my name to the left here and you'll find a direct link to the settings I use on page 117 of the 8000 thread. All panels are a little different though, so keep that in mind. Good luck!
post #19 of 20
howdy all, I have a 55 es8000, the version is ts01 made in dec. FW 1044.
what is the difference between these versions hs01 & ts01 ?
how many versions are there & what does it represent?
so far i gather the ts01 are 55" & the hs01 are 60", is this correct or does this represent the type of panels being used?
THX in advance for the help

P.S. jokingly i was thinking the T is for Tiny & H is for Huge tongue.gif
post #20 of 20
TS01 and TS02 are Samsung made panels and reportedly may have better pic quality and viewing angles. Not sure about H panels, as well as US02. But the US02 panel seems to get good reviews on the 7100 model, and it may be a Samsung but not sure.
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