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Atleast you have local stores to do this

True and bringing in the curtains helped immensely. Luckly no other customers were around wondering what this idiot is doing! redface.gifeek.giftongue.gif
post #1652 of 8058
xb1032, It seems like your movie experience = black level. Otherwise you wouldn't be so concerned about it even though yourself pointed out more positive features on the sony compared to jvc and the only thing lacking a little bit is black level. To me this wouldn't any contest at all if getting the same results as you. It's not like it's a dlp like grey blacks, I'm guessing from other people experience that we are talking about just minor disadvantage here. Also, because of the way better 3d than in your jvc, you would enjoy more 3d movies, which would level the playfield anyways.
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Good feedback as I made the call to order an X35 last night: I don't care about 3D, so I saved an extra £300 by not buying the 3d glasses and emitter with the JVC, but I also found that the Sony zoom is too big for my screen, so is out of the running regardless. As I'm also concerned about black level, I'm pleased to hear that you could spot a difference as I would like to get the best black level I can afford.
post #1654 of 8058
Sammy 2 for those interested.

Movie - 5/10
Video - 8/10
3D - 9/10

Once again all the 3D rules are tossed out the window and for those that like animated sea creatures in the middle of their rooms they'll be pleased. It seemed to me that there are more scenes of things protruding into the room than the first movie and that one was exceptional.
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Originally Posted by anidabi View Post

xb1032, It seems like your movie experience = black level. Otherwise you wouldn't be so concerned about it even though yourself pointed out more positive features on the sony compared to jvc and the only thing lacking a little bit is black level. To me this wouldn't any contest at all if getting the same results as you. It's not like it's a dlp like grey blacks, I'm guessing from other people experience that we are talking about just minor disadvantage here. Also, because of the way better 3d than in your jvc, you would enjoy more 3d movies, which would level the playfield anyways.

Yes, black level is a very high priority to me but motion is becoming just as important. I'm an oddball around here as I like FI even in movies. For the most part, I really have no complaint about 2D on my RS45. It's a fantastic 2D projector. If I didn't like 3D I could probably skip an upgrade this year. On my HP 2.4 gain screen the pic is nice and bright with excellent contrast. The average person would be more than satisfied with the Sony's and quite frankly I'm guessing that I probably would as well if I already weren't accustomed to the black levels on the Sony.
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Good feedback as I made the call to order an X35 last night: I don't care about 3D, so I saved an extra £300 by not buying the 3d glasses and emitter with the JVC, but I also found that the Sony zoom is too big for my screen, so is out of the running regardless. As I'm also concerned about black level, I'm pleased to hear that you could spot a difference as I would like to get the best black level I can afford.

I really wish I could have done a side by side comparison so that I could make a fair judgement call but this is the best that I could come up with. I forgot to note that my JVC probably had a couple hundred more hours on the bulb than the Sony. From what I saw yesterday I would say they were pretty close in most scenes but in the dark scenes in Spider-Man the JVC seemed to maintain better black levels but also keep in mind that I run my manual iris on the JVC at -15. I have demoed this same scene at home using two different picture modes with one mode having the iris at -15 and the other at -7 and to my eyes the difference the black level difference if close yet very obvious to my eyes in the Spider-Man scenes. This is where I have to try to read between the lines when reviewers and other people post. However, when I first popped in the Spider-Man disc and the menu came up the scenes running off the menu might have even looked as good or possibly even showed more contrast than my JVC. Very impressive in some scenes.

My unscientific guess is that the difference between the JVC and other projectors in this class is the manual iris. If I were one who ran the JVC's iris at -7 or higher the difference between JVCs black levels and the HW50 might not be as noticeable when we are referring to darker scenes. Again, this is just a guess on my part and in my case my screen size and screen type allows me to run the RS45 this way. I tried the manual iris on the Sony running this specific dark scene and while I see a slight difference on the JVC I didn't see much on the Sony. What I saw more than anything was the dimming of details in the darker portions of the screen which in a sense made the darker areas look not quite as dark.

Anyway, that's my unscientific take. I haven't seen the VW95 so I cannot comment there but if I were going to have a 2D only projector I would take the JVC over the Sony. If JVC would have enable FI in 3D mode this year I'd be getting the RS46 no questions asked (assuming crosstalk has been significantly reduced as so far it seems that is the case thankfully).

Enjoy your new X35! I'm sure you will.
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I know this is a bit of a long shot, but if anyone here is planning on creating a constant aspect version of TDKR on their CPU, PLEASE shoot me a PM as I would be very interested in getting a copy! Watched this movie last night and really enjoyed it, great audio, etc.....but the variable aspect was HORRIBLE using the zoom method on my 2.35 screen. Every time the frame opens up to 1.78, and there are 72(!!) minutes total in this film where it does this is very distracting as it spills over the top/bottom of the viewable image area onto the wall. This would not be a problem if my RS45 had enough masking range to take care of this, but it doesn't........not even close. frown.gif Why in the world JVC would not include enough masking range to deal with this on a lens memory projector that is geared toward CIH users using the zoom method is baffling to me. confused.gif Even the new models STILL wont have this. Of course I could add a VP to take care of this, but considering there are only 3 films where you have to deal with variable aspect so far (Tron Legacy, DK and DKR..........Transf 2 has the option of constant aspect or variable) I am not going to spend the $$$ adding a VP. I think this is a negative worth mentioning as far as the JVCs go for any CIH zoomer out there considering one. Certainly not a deal breaker by any means unless you were also considering a competitor (does the Sony 95 have enough range for this?), but worth mentioning all the same.

Sorry for the somewhat off topic post, but I know a LOT of people are reading this thread right now and some of you will be doing the poor mans zoom method and maybe someone reading this will be creating a CIH friendly version of the movie. If so, please shoot me a PM. smile.gif

Thanks!
Edited by Toe - 12/7/12 at 8:54am
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X35/RS46 Revocation

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We have just received the information that the cause for the 3D playback problem at the currently supplied X was found 35 series.The solution is a software update, which but not can be performed by the customer. Thats no bad will on the part of JVC but purely technically justified. It must be removed for the update of the housing cover and a specially modified cable is required.We are our customers, who have gotten their device in the last few days, in the course of today inform and then you can get a pick up.The JVC service from the middle of next week will perform the software updates.We will again deliver our equipment only with the new SW version in the near future.We are for more information.

http://www.grobi-shop.tv/showpost.php?id=2172
Edited by szepi0808 - 12/7/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by szepi0808 View Post

X35/RS46 Revocation
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We have just received the information that the cause for the 3D playback problem at the currently supplied X was found 35 series.The solution is a software update, which but not can be performed by the customer. Thats no bad will on the part of JVC but purely technically justified. It must be removed for the update of the housing cover and a specially modified cable is required.We are our customers, who have gotten their device in the last few days, in the course of today inform and then you can get a pick up.The JVC service from the middle of next week will perform the software updates.We will again deliver our equipment only with the new SW version in the near future.We are for more information.
http://www.grobi-shop.tv/showpost.php?id=2172

What "3D playback problem" are they referring to? I haven't tried 3D on my X35 yet as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.
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Originally Posted by Dragon Reborn View Post

What "3D playback problem" are they referring to? I haven't tried 3D on my X35 yet as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.
high levels of ghosting
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Originally Posted by szepi0808 View Post

high levels of ghosting

The X35 series has serious ghosting problems? I don't think that has been noted on AVS yet.
post #1661 of 8058
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

The X35 series has serious ghosting problems? I don't think that has been noted on AVS yet.

buddy when considering 2d image, which projector do you find best between HW50 and epson 5020 and why?
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I believe a member with a new X55 confirmed that the Xpand 104's work if you have the RF module attached to the glasses. I'd pick one up to test it but not sure where to buy it from.
it looks kind of big since it's going to be hanging off the USB connector at the back of the glasses.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

Zombie,

Just a couple questions if you could answer:

1. Have you seen 3D on the VW95? If so, how does brightness compare to the present JVCs in 3D? I know the HW50 will be a bit brighter but I'm wondering if brightness is as good or better to the current JVCS? I will be reading what reviews I can find but any additional opinions is appreciated.

2. If you have Spider-Man would you mind comparing the scene from the 1:39 mark to roughly 1:43 on the HW50 vs the RS55(or the RS46) mark and just state if black levels are noticeably darker on the JVCs? Comparing from memory I think the JVC with the iris at -15 (or -11 in your case) will be slightly but noticeably blacker. I'd love to be wrong, but I think my memory serves me correctly. I assume that this is where the benefit of the higher native CR without the use of an iris comes into play.

I calibrated 2 VW95's this year and watched a number of 3D titles. I prefer the HW50 3D for the better brightness, less crosstalk and the RC in 3D mode. It's a shame they didn't make the V2.0 of the VW95 with the same upgrades, I think it would have been very popular based on the the positive feedback from the HW50 updates.

I should get a chance to check out that scene on the Sony and JVC.

The RS46 is here! I'll get a chance to fire it up later tonight. I only have the MV3D's and X104's at this time, waiting a few days for the JVC's. From what I've heard so far, the improvements are in the projector, not the glasses so let's see how it goes. cool.gif
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I was told that there is very little difference in the glasses at the CEDIA show in Sept. In fact at one of the JVC booths they were using the old glasses since they had only one pair of the new ones available. Love to hear how the ghosting and flicker is with the new projectors and how the Xpand and MV glasses work. Know you will put them through the torture tests with Sammy and other films that show a lot of ghosting on many projectors. Good luck with the tests tonight.
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

buddy when considering 2d image, which projector do you find best between HW50 and epson 5020 and why?

I've only seen the 5020 once in a room that wasn't completely darkened so I can't really give an opinion. Many reviews say these two projectors are pretty close in many areas. If you read back earlier in this thread there should be some helpful information provided. Projectorreviews.com also has some comparisons on these 2 projectors as well.

For those who don't have a set level of expectations I would make my decision based on cost and personal preferences. My personal preference is going to lean towards a projector with the best black levels and contrast which for 2D only would be the JVC RS46/X35. For 3D I want better motion and this is one area I feel the JVCs lack because FI isn't enabled in 3D (nor is it enabled for 3D in the Epson).

As Zombie10k noted in his findings the differences between the 5010 and 5020 is minimal with most differences being seen in 3D. Having said that you may want to consider a closeout 5010 which will likely be $1k-$2k cheaper than the Sony HW50.

Just my 2 cents, hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I calibrated 2 VW95's this year and watched a number of 3D titles. I prefer the HW50 3D for the better brightness, less crosstalk and the RC in 3D mode. It's a shame they didn't make the V2.0 of the VW95 with the same upgrades, I think it would have been very popular based on the the positive feedback from the HW50 updates.
I should get a chance to check out that scene on the Sony and JVC.
The RS46 is here! I'll get a chance to fire it up later tonight. I only have the MV3D's and X104's at this time, waiting a few days for the JVC's. From what I've heard so far, the improvements are in the projector, not the glasses so let's see how it goes. cool.gif

Thanks. My biggest concern with the VW95 is the brightness as I'm not really sure what to expect. I'm glad you pointed out the crosstalk because I've read a number of opinions and reviews and there seems to be mixed feeling about crosstalk on the VW95. There's not been many complaints about crosstalk on the HW30 had and I've also read that the HW50 is slight improvement over the HW30 in this regard.

That would be great to hear your impressions of the RS46 vs the HW50 in that scene. Looking forward to hearing your findings on the crosstalk on the RS46 as well and I'm sure many are anxious to hear your results. I have 6 pairs of X104's so for me I'm glad to hear those impressions.

Thanks for all your efforts!
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Anxiously waiting for JVC reports. If the 3d isn't substantially improved I'm likely going with the Sony 50. If it is I may spend the extra and get in on the pre-buy on the JVC4810. Gotta make a decision soon though. The pre buy doen't last much longer.
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Originally Posted by Kelvin1965S View Post

Good feedback as I made the call to order an X35 last night: I don't care about 3D, so I saved an extra £300 by not buying the 3d glasses and emitter with the JVC, but I also found that the Sony zoom is too big for my screen, so is out of the running regardless. As I'm also concerned about black level, I'm pleased to hear that you could spot a difference as I would like to get the best black level I can afford.

Congrats Kelvin! You still planning on changing your sig line then (no lens)? wink.gif
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Thread Starter 
I'll be back in a few days with some info. cool.gif

JVCvsJVC.jpg
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I'll be back in a few days with some info. cool.gif

That's awesome Jason. I hope you have time to figure out lumens in both 2d and 3d between the Sony and JVC. Really interested in how much of a measured difference there is vs. perception.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I'll be back in a few days with some info. cool.gif

DAYS!?!?!?
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Originally Posted by havok2022 View Post

DAYS!?!?!?

Yeah, I hope not. I want the news now on the motion and 3D compared to HW50.
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Hours please!!!
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Let the man take his time! Jeez. Haha.
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My 46 won't be here until Tuesday so ill be living through zombie this weekend
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I'll be back in a few days with some info. cool.gif

Wow that lens cover is Ugg-a-lee! wink.gif

Good luck dude... any ETA on your x55?
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The 46 looks like it is a matte finish.
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Really, you guys are here 'JVC' fretting over a few days when he's had the Mitsu for almost 2 weeks with zero feedback and still some Q's left on the table with the Sony/Epson. confused.gif

I've held HT meets where we have had several different models on hand and many people present and it still took us hours and hours to do level comparisons, he's just one guy and between this thread and likely an excessive number of PM's/day I do not envy his task.

Jason
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I'm just counting my days until I get my first ever projector so I'm a kid in a candy store right now
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Really, you guys are here 'JVC' fretting over a few days when he's had the Mitsu for almost 2 weeks with zero feedback and still some Q's left on the table with the Sony/Epson. confused.gif
I've held HT meets where we have had several different models on hand and many people present and it still took us hours and hours to do level comparisons, he's just one guy and between this thread and likely an excessive number of PM's/day I do not envy his task.
Jason

One guy with all of those projectors. What a horrible position to be in!biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

Congrats Kelvin! You still planning on changing your sig line then (no lens)? wink.gif

No need to change the signature as I'll carry on using my A Lens with the X35 (and a bit of lens memory when the lens is removed). smile.gif Along with my Mini3D and Darbee I don't think I'm too far off what an X55 can do, plus I have enough change to buy a new TV as well. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

Enjoy your new X35! I'm sure you will.

I sure will...just sat waiting for it to arrive sometime this morning. Slightly tired as late back from a Christmas party last night, but I'll try to make some measurements later. Just putting the camera on charge for some unboxing and setting up shots. cool.gif
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