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post #4561 of 8033
FI in 3D for the new Epson would make it worth the upgrade. When are their new models introduced?
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FI in 3D for the new Epson would make it worth the upgrade. When are their new models introduced?

October for the 8200 and 7200. This looks like nothing more than software upgrade. If crosstalk and flicker is gone I may pick one up.
post #4563 of 8033
Good. I think I'll sell the 6010 shortly before the new ones are released. I've never seen flicker on the 6010, but I've never had a problem with flicker, even with the JVC's. Unless Epson has changed the panels, ghosting will probably still be there to a small degree. It's not DLP perfect.
post #4564 of 8033
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they wouldn't be able to sell a single copy at that price, no one is going to buy an 11K Optoma. Kraine just posted that the conversion price is ~4K US. This would seen reasonable and competitive for the upcoming models in the fall.

My bad, I was thinking we were talking about the new DP LED for some reason... redface.gif
post #4565 of 8033
Epson is supposedly developing a Game mode with lower lag. That would make it the under $3k king for all around performance IMO for the 5030 or whatever it is.
post #4566 of 8033
Re: All around < 3k... The Sony HW50 should be well under 3k with the new model lineups as well. Some have been able to find it there already.
post #4567 of 8033
I was strongly considering the Panasonic 8000, but you guys are starting to sway me. What interested me was good 2D image quality, fast gaming response, and CIH. I'm thinking now that maybe I can give up the gaming aspect, and just use projector for HDTV and Movies.

That being said, are the Refurb JVC RS45 really a good bet? What does refurb mean in terms of projectors. Why were they returned, and what do you think was fixed. How long did they run before being returned? Also, are there any major advances with the RS46?

I assume doing CIH would require a manual adjustment each time I switch with the JVCs?

thanks guys
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Originally Posted by Viche View Post

I was strongly considering the Panasonic 8000, but you guys are starting to sway me. What interested me was good 2D image quality, fast gaming response, and CIH. I'm thinking now that maybe I can give up the gaming aspect, and just use projector for HDTV and Movies.

That being said, are the Refurb JVC RS45 really a good bet? What does refurb mean in terms of projectors. Why were they returned, and what do you think was fixed. How long did they run before being returned? Also, are there any major advances with the RS46?

I assume doing CIH would require a manual adjustment each time I switch with the JVCs?

thanks guys

The RS45 has the lens memory option built in. Gaming as a requirement narrows the choices. you might consider an inexpensive DLP for gaming.

The refurb's are fine as long as they come with the warranty. It could be something as simple as the IR sensor on the front not working. The main difference with the RS46 is the newer style lamp and the 3D is improved over the RS45. If you're mainly interested in 2D, the refurb RS45's are a great bargain.

RS46 > Panasonic 8000 for my preferences. Much better out of the box color and the contrast is noticeably better in dark scenes. Sharper too.
post #4569 of 8033
My 50HW Decision.

For what it's worth, I thought I'd share my recent buy, decision, and first impressions.

First, hats off to Zombie for an outstanding thread. Kudos!!!

As background:
  • Third Projector. I've been at this for a while. My first projector was a Panny biz projector and most recent was an Epson 1080 UB
  • Dedicated Theater. I have a completely light controlled dedicated theater. AKA Bat Cave...
  • Screen. Carada BW 126" 178:1

Observations:
  1. Mike Garrett rocks. If you haven't already, engage the AVS staff on your purchase. They will save you money, steer you right, and let you give back to this great forum.
  2. Awesome Picture. Huge improvement over my Epson 1080 UB. Much brighter, far more detailed, and stunning color.
  3. Great blacks. I was concerned about coming from the Epson, given it's great blacks. To me, the blacks are better.
  4. 3d Rocks. I already have passive 3d on my LG LCD. Having it on 126" is really fun. I watched Escape from Planet Earth on Vudu with my kids and it was awesome. To me, it was clearer and brighter than in theaters (including IMAX). Even my wife liked it.
  5. Cross Talk. I'm not exactly sure what it looks like, but there was a fair amount of "3d noise" when I watched the X-games on 3d Net, but absolutely zero when I watched the above on Vudu.
  6. Screen door. I noticed a comment from someone who said they could see the pixels on the 50HW. No way. I have to stand 2 feet from my 126" screen before I can see pixels and even then, they are very small. Do not worry, at all.
  7. Very happy. I debated waiting for the next gen models to come out, but I have a dying Epson and can't wait the ~2 months for the next model. The upgrade to the Sony is huge over the Epson in every way and I am very happy.
  8. AVS rocks. Unsolicited support here. I've been an AVS lurker/contributor for many moons. I've learned a tremendous amount. And have gotten great deals from them. Please be sure to engage AVS in your purchases.

For what it is worth, I commented in a few places about my disappointment in Epson. Obviously your milage with vary, but many others have had the same problems I did. I was originally very happy with the image of the 1080 ub (doesn't compare to the 50HW, but at the time I was very happy), but after 4 lamps that only once (and just barely) made it over 1000 hours, even at eco mode, I am no longer an advocate. Epson knew they had a problem and gave all one free lamp, but when they claim 4k hours on the bulb and rarely get 1k, that is a problem. It dramatically changes the "ownership costs".

The biggest issue I had was the "red/pink band of death". Of course this showed up after the warranty lapsed, but I started getting a red band across the top. Soon followed by a blue one on the bottom. Even zooming out doesn't help. The bands just keeps growing more and more.

Again, your milage will vary, but it's worth a warning.

Epson 1080 UB
post #4570 of 8033
What to do. My darkened room with dimmable recessed lighting is complete. First time projector owner. I was originally going to get a Benq W1070. Then I decided I needed something better. It's come down to the following. JVC x35b/rs46, Epson 6020, Sony 50es. Epson and JVC are priced the same, Sony at about $900 more. Screen will be 108' diagonal, 1.0 gain white (Elunevision 4k Reference). Projector mounted at like 12ft from screen though lets say the lens is at 11ft. Projector ceiling mounted as flush as possible to a 7' ceiling. Seating will be like 13-17ft from the screen. The projector will replace an old RPTV and will get plenty of use. Let's say 50hrs per week. I realize that with that much vieiwng I'll likely be replacing bulbs every 1.5-2 years I'd say viewing will be 85% TV/Sports via Bell FibeTV and 15% movies (either actual disc in Oppo bdp-93 or streamed). I'll also be using the projector with some of the non screen end lights on for non critical viewing (tv/sports) as there is a computer at that end of the room that I'm on quite often working, etc. Never had 3D before and looking forward to it. Liked what I saw in a demo. I also have a Darbee. So, what that info what do you all think would be the best choice of projector? My first thought was the Epson with the brighter 3D and quick warranty replacement turnaround. I'm still pissed with JVC over how they handled issues I had with one of the first widescreen RPTV they built and I owned so not so inclined do give them another chance That was like 20 years ago so maybe I should get over it. I haven't owned anything JVC since. I also like saving the $900 over the Sony. One issue I'm concerned with is motiion blur or judder, not really sure the difference but you can imagine that with the fall season coming and as a Canadian hockey watching will be a big part of the projector use. NFL too but not sure how much fast action the NFL produces.

Thanks
Edited by squigly1 - 8/18/13 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by squigly1 View Post

What to do. My darkened room with dimmable recessed lighting is complete. First time projector owner. I was originally going to get a Benq W1070. Then I decided I needed something better. It's come down to the following. JVC x35b/rs46, Epson 6020, Sony 50es. Epson and JVC are priced the same, Sony at about $900 more. Screen will be 108' diagonal, 1.0 gain white (Elunevision 4k Reference). Projector mounted at like 12ft from screen though lets say the lens is at 11ft. Projector ceiling mounted as flush as possible to a 7' ceiling. Seating will be like 13-17ft from the screen. The projector will replace an old RPTV and will get plenty of use. Let's say 50hrs per week. I realize that with that much vieiwng I'll likely be replacing bulbs every 1.5-2 years I'd say viewing will be 85% TV/Sports via Bell FibeTV and 15% movies (either actual disc in Oppo bdp-93 or streamed). I'll also be using the projector with some of the non screen end lights on for non critical viewing (tv/sports) as there is a computer at that end of the room that I'm on quite often working, etc. Never had 3D before and looking forward to it. Liked what I saw in a demo. I also have a Darbee. So, what that info what do you all think would be the best choice of projector? My first thought was the Epson with the brighter 3D and quick warranty replacement turnaround. I'm still pissed with JVC over how they handled issues I had with one of the first widescreen RPTV they built and I owned so not so inclined do give them another chance That was like 20 years ago so maybe I should get over it. I haven't owned anything JVC since. I also like saving the $900 over the Sony. One issue I'm concerned with is motiion blur or judder, not really sure the difference but you can imagine that with the fall season coming and as a Canadian hockey watching will be a big part of the projector use. NFL too but not sure how much fast action the NFL produces.

Thanks

I do not recommend the Epson 6020 (internally the same as the 5020). It's quite loud, and has the worst iris implementation I've ever seen. It makes very noticeable "rumbling" sounds. I thought mine was broken when I demoed it. But apparently it's normal. Crazy... Also, with LCD projectors like the Epson, you run the risk of color uniformity issues (well, more noticeable issues, I should say).

The JVC X30/RS45 I demoed didn't have as smooth a motion as the Sony HW30 I have now (or as smooth as the Panasonic PT-AE8000U I'm replacing). I assume the RS46 has similar motion. Again, this is for 24p without motion enhancer rubbish on. I was impressed with the JVC, though, otherwise.

Have you considered the Sony 30ES? I have a similar setup to you. My screen is 100" diagonal (1.0 gain, Enlightor 4k AT), and am using the Sony 30ES mounted about 12 feet from the screen, lens at about 11 feet.. Now, I can't speak for the 50ES, but I can say the 30ES is plenty bright enough, even in low-lamp mode, even with some ambient light. In fact, I was nervous I'd want the 50ES, but - honestly - I feel like I'd be blinded with the 50ES based on my experience. 3D is also plenty bright, too. I am NOT happy running the 30ES in high-lamp mode in 2D, because it really is just really too bright for my small movie room.

The 30ES is very, very sharp. OK, correction: MY 30ES is very, very sharp. I know some people have said the JVCs are sharper, but - honestly - the 30ES I have now is equally, if not SHARPER, than the JVC X30/RS45 I demoed. It's the sharpest projector I've ever owned. I know this because my wife exclaimed to me how she couldn't believe the sharpness, and she's nowhere near as picky as I am. I already knew it was ridiculously sharp, but her comments solidified my beliefs.

Just some food for thought. I'm sure the 50ES is a great projector, but I've been very impressed with the 30ES, and I just moved from the Panasonic PT-AE8000U to it. You'd save some money, too, of course... And the way tech goes, in a year or two all these projectors will have halved in price, and then you'll potentially be glad you saved some money!
Edited by WilliamG - 8/18/13 at 11:29pm
post #4572 of 8033
I would buy a DLP first for that type of usage, and then add a second projector later or replace it later after some newer models come out. I wouldn't buy a $4000 Sony and put those kind of hours on it if you are looking for a long-term purchase. Although not guaranteed by any stretch, there is a chance of LCOS panel degradation in 2-3 years with those kind of hours (could happen sooner), and it's unlikely if your panels degrade only in contrast that the MFR will even warranty that issue (depending on how visibly obvious). Keep in mind many of us buy new projectors every 1-3 years, and from your comment about being mad at JVC years ago, sounds like you are trying to buy something long-term. For that kind of high long-term usage, you are better off with a two projector setup for sure.

If the 2 projector setup does not work, I'd probably use a warranty enhancing credit card like Amex or Sig Visa and just buy the Sharp xvz-30000, as long as the bulbs on it are still cheap like Zombie showed in the thread you can get the OEM bulbs. Just buy 2 spare bulbs and then you're set. The only thing about the Sharp is I believe it does not have FI (Frame Interpolation), and you may miss this for Sports. The Sharp unit is also an end-of-life product from my understanding, but if you use a warranty enhancing credit card, I think some CC's will reimburse you the cost if the MFR has no units or refuses to warranty.

So then that might push you towards a different DLP, the amount of DLP's that have decent blacks under $6000 are slim to none in the new market. The Sharp xvz-30000, Acer h9500bd (but this projector isn't very bright and has a few issues), Mitsubishi hc8000 (optics aren't as good, some color uniformity), and that is all I can think of. You can find some refurb or used DLP's under $4000 that have good blacks and better motion, but doesn't sound like that is a route you should take for that kind of high hour usage.

If it were me and this were my first projector purchase for that usage, I'd probably try a cheap DLP first to be honest, maybe the Optoma hd25 as crazy as that sounds. The main reason I would go this route first is because it will get you used to knowing what you like/dislike about projectors, and then there will be better models out in a year or two, and maybe 4k. Do the DLP and if you don't like it, return it.
Edited by coderguy - 8/19/13 at 9:02am
post #4573 of 8033
Ha! I've come full circle. Started out thinking I was getting the Benq W1070. Then wanted better. Really wanted the Sony 50es but it was like $1000 more than I wanted to spend. So then decided on Epson 6020 (same price as JVC and not a JVC fan). Now back to cheap DLP (likely w1070). I don't think Optoma throw range works for me and I'll likely need some lens shift. As for the Sharp, it won't be cheap. I've seen one place list it for more than $4000. Mits 8000 is like $2600. Sony 30es for $2500. Epson 6020 for $2900. JVC x35 $2900, Sony 50es $3800. Benq W1070 is like $900.

I don't think a 2 projector setup works for me. I don't really have an option for a second one mounted somewhere else in the room. I'd have to run more cables, power, etc. and also run into the issue I wanted to avoid in having people block the projector when walking in front of it, gaming, etc.

Back to more considering and stressing eek.gif
post #4574 of 8033
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Originally Posted by squigly1 View Post

Ha! I've come full circle. Started out thinking I was getting the Benq W1070. Then wanted better. Really wanted the Sony 50es but it was like $1000 more than I wanted to spend. So then decided on Epson 6020 (same price as JVC and not a JVC fan). Now back to cheap DLP (likely w1070). I don't think Optoma throw range works for me and I'll likely need some lens shift. As for the Sharp, it won't be cheap. I've seen one place list it for more than $4000. Mits 8000 is like $2600. Sony 30es for $2500. Epson 6020 for $2900. JVC x35 $2900, Sony 50es $3800. Benq W1070 is like $900.

I don't think a 2 projector setup works for me. I don't really have an option for a second one mounted somewhere else in the room. I'd have to run more cables, power, etc. and also run into the issue I wanted to avoid in having people block the projector when walking in front of it, gaming, etc.

Back to more considering and stressing eek.gif

Maybe you should try the W1070, its cheaper and it throws a good picture
post #4575 of 8033
since there is a wide range of options in this thread I wanted to ask everyone their opinion. I am debating between a Carada BW 134" screen or a Da-Lite High Power 2.4 133" screen. I know all about the the two I just can't make up my mind. I am getting a Sony hw50es and my room is painted black including ceiling. I know the carada is great but I feel like I want that hp for it's look(the same felt more like a tv screen with it to me, am i wrong about that? it just felt that way) and ability to watch with lights on. I have only seen a sample of each, but not with hw50es....just my old epson 8500ub that I recently sold.

Which would you choose/which would you not choose? why, why not?
post #4576 of 8033
I would only choose the HP screen if the extra gain is needed. The Carada screen is a better screen material with less inherent picture degrading qualities such as texture, limited viewing angle and limited projector mounting options. The Sony is bright enough for a unity gain screen like the Carada at that size.
post #4577 of 8033
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Originally Posted by squigly1 View Post

Ha! I've come full circle. Started out thinking I was getting the Benq W1070. Then wanted better. Really wanted the Sony 50es but it was like $1000 more than I wanted to spend. So then decided on Epson 6020 (same price as JVC and not a JVC fan). Now back to cheap DLP (likely w1070). I don't think Optoma throw range works for me and I'll likely need some lens shift. As for the Sharp, it won't be cheap. I've seen one place list it for more than $4000. Mits 8000 is like $2600. Sony 30es for $2500. Epson 6020 for $2900. JVC x35 $2900, Sony 50es $3800. Benq W1070 is like $900.

I don't think a 2 projector setup works for me. I don't really have an option for a second one mounted somewhere else in the room. I'd have to run more cables, power, etc. and also run into the issue I wanted to avoid in having people block the projector when walking in front of it, gaming, etc.

Back to more considering and stressing eek.gif

Have you talked to Mike at the forums here? The Sony is cheaper than you think. It's cheaper than the 6020!
post #4578 of 8033
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

Poor guy is a Canadian, like me. The downside of bringing finicky electronics across the border outweigh the benefits of doing business with a great company like AVS.

Yep. Great country but pricing on a lot of things compared to our neighbours is sick. And then most companies won't honour warranties either so cross border electronics is dicey. Coderguy's comment about usage has me somewhat concerned about spending and getting a good projector.
Edited by squigly1 - 8/19/13 at 7:19pm
post #4579 of 8033
oops! sorry frown.gif Best of luck.
post #4580 of 8033
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I would only choose the HP screen if the extra gain is needed. The Carada screen is a better screen material with less inherent picture degrading qualities such as texture, limited viewing angle and limited projector mounting options. The Sony is bright enough for a unity gain screen like the Carada at that size.

it's not needed just I really like the "pop" and some of the what feels like "lcd screen affect" compared to 1.1-1.4 gain screens.

like i said only have gone off the sample, but some of the HP screenshots on this forum are amazing.
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it's not needed just I really like the "pop" and some of the what feels like "lcd screen affect" compared to 1.1-1.4 gain screens.

like i said only have gone off the sample, but some of the HP screenshots on this forum are amazing.

The extra brightness is nice. I have a high power screen myself. With a particularly bright projector, like this Sony model, solid lighter colors during higher brightness scenes can look grainy due to the sprayed on beads. Things like a blue sky, clouds or anything solid white can have a grainy look to it. This issue, coupled with limited seating and projector mounting options are the real drawbacks to this material. If you're willing to deal with them to get a poppier picture go ahead with the HP material, but overall image quality will be better, albeit less but adequately bright, on the Carada material.
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Originally Posted by Threefiddie View Post

since there is a wide range of options in this thread I wanted to ask everyone their opinion. I am debating between a Carada BW 134" screen or a Da-Lite High Power 2.4 133" screen. I know all about the the two I just can't make up my mind. I am getting a Sony hw50es and my room is painted black including ceiling. I know the carada is great but I feel like I want that hp for it's look(the same felt more like a tv screen with it to me, am i wrong about that? it just felt that way) and ability to watch with lights on. I have only seen a sample of each, but not with hw50es....just my old epson 8500ub that I recently sold.

Which would you choose/which would you not choose? why, why not?

That's a nice size screen and the lamps will dim over time. It should still be fine for lights out viewing, not sure about ambient light viewing though without some gain. On my 2.8 142", I can watch TV with a room full of lights which is nice for HDTV or even a kids animation where they don't want the room pitch black.

both options have pros/cons, it depends on how important ambient light viewing is. The HP does give the bright, 'plasma on the wall' look. This is hard to do at that screen size without gain or a lot more lumens.
post #4583 of 8033
I just purchased optoma rf 3d emitter and glasses for jvc is their some kind of firm ware that i need to download to emitter to use these i seem to remember seeing this some were but cant find it they work but have no dept
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Originally Posted by Threefiddie View Post

it's not needed just I really like the "pop" and some of the what feels like "lcd screen affect" compared to 1.1-1.4 gain screens.

like i said only have gone off the sample, but some of the HP screenshots on this forum are amazing.

FWIW, I owned and returned three Carada screens and I now own and use a HP 2.8 (was using a 1.78 & 2.35 ST 130 G3 for about 4 years in between). The Carada screens when I had them had a very faint, but for me distracting vertical wideband type pattern across the whole screen that would reveal itself (to my eyes at least) in the right type of scene. The HP has some visible screen artifacts as well at times in the right type of scene like a panning clear blue sky for example, but I can easily live with these and find them less distracting vs what I was seeing on the Carada screens (2 CCW and a BW or the other way around, can't remember which now).

The other significant issue (IMO) with Carada which may have changed by now is how they pack and ship the actual screen material which leaves it vulnerable to the frame members pressing against it during shipping and causes distracting wrinkles which improved over the ~2 weeks that I had the one screen the longest, but never fully went away. In comparison, both Stewart and Da-Lite put the material in a heavy duty cardboard tube which prevents this issue and the screens stretch out nice and clean from the get-go.

I hate reporting all that and to be fair my impressions were in the extreme minority as Carada's reputation and fan base speaks for itself. Carada customer service is second to none as well and these guys are incredibly nice and great to deal with. Again though, I don't know if I have ever seen anyone else mention this in the Carada thread, so apparently I am just unusually sensitive to what I was seeing, but it was enough that I could not live with the screen and ultimately returned all three of them.

If you were set on a low gain screen, I would look at the Stewart 1.0 screen that gets so much praise or the JKP 1.1 (I believe that is the model?).
Edited by Toe - 8/20/13 at 1:38pm
post #4585 of 8033
Interesting, I haven't read that all and believe me I have done some research!

I went ahead and got a 134" carada. It's worth the shot. I used the savings from not buying hp screen to get a denon x3000 and a chief mount for the hw50es. All ships today woot!
post #4586 of 8033
Interesting, I haven't read that all and believe me I have done some research!

I went ahead and got a 134" carada. It's worth the shot. I used the savings from not buying hp screen to get a denon x3000 and a chief mount for the hw50es. All ships today woot!
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The Carada screens when I had them had a very faint, but for me distracting vertical wideband type pattern across the whole screen that would reveal itself (to my eyes at least) in the right type of scene.

 

I think we both covered this in another thread. As I saw the exact same thing on multiple screens and they stated it was inherent within their material. Regarding material I had a first generation FireHawk with sparkles and all and once 1080p arrived the texture was so visible I upgraded for that reason alone. I ended up returning their screens too but their customer service was a pleasure. I ended up with a knock-off screen with the smoothest surface I could find... as texture bothers me far more than say a dim image or elevated black level. smile.gif

post #4588 of 8033
I can now notice the texture on the HP 2.4 gain screen since I sit closer than previously, and especially when using HTPC. Actually I noticed that the Stewart screen I saw at someone's house looks better than my 2.4 gain HP, oh well.
I would buy a 2.8 HP but they don't exist :P

Hopefully someone will come out with a better 1.8+ gain screen that doesn't cost an appendage. It's still ok, but I never noticed until now that the 2.4 gain looks less film-like than some screens.
Edited by coderguy - 8/20/13 at 11:43am
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If you were set on a low gain screen, I would look at the Stewart 1.0 screen that gets so much praise or the JKP 1.1 (I believe that is the model?).

Da-Lite now has a JKP HD Pro 1.3 gain screen material too, just FYI.
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

I think we both covered this in another thread. As I saw the exact same thing on multiple screens and they stated it was inherent within their material. Regarding material I had a first generation FireHawk with sparkles and all and once 1080p arrived the texture was so visible I upgraded for that reason alone. I ended up returning their screens too but their customer service was a pleasure. I ended up with a knock-off screen with the smoothest surface I could find... as texture bothers me far more than say a dim image or elevated black level. smile.gif

Thanks for reminding me Charles, and I do remember our conversation now. Glad to know I am not totally insane and someone else noticed this issue as well. smile.gif What screen did you end up with out of curiosity? I love my HP, but it is certainly not perfect in the area of screen texture (among other areas like brightness uniformity as you move off axis which is not an issue in my setup thankfully) as it will reveal itself slightly at times in the right type of scene.
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

Da-Lite now has a JKP HD Pro 1.3 gain screen material too, just FYI.


Interesting, thanks! Is the general consensus that it disappears as well as the 1.1 version?
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Originally Posted by Threefiddie View Post

Interesting, I haven't read that all and believe me I have done some research!

I went ahead and got a 134" carada. It's worth the shot. I used the savings from not buying hp screen to get a denon x3000 and a chief mount for the hw50es. All ships today woot!


Enjoy your screen and try and erase mine and Charles posts out of your memory! tongue.gif Chances are you wont even see what we are talking about as most obviously don't since you never hear about it. No screen is perfect and the Carada is great bang/buck. I do wish they would at least put the screen material in a protective cardboard tube though which would no doubt reduce and maybe eliminate the wrinkles!
Edited by Toe - 8/20/13 at 1:30pm
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