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Still going back and forth in my head over what to get. I'll leave any Sony out of the equation for this round (Sorry WIlliam) as I will have some lights on often so a bright projector seems to be in order. So we're down to w1070 and 6020UB. Those pictures I posted look like crap. Jus so I'm clear, the lights that will most often be on in the room are at 14 and 17ft from the screen. The ones at 11 ft from the screen will be on for Sunday NFL and likely not to full power. So between the two projectors in question the Epson is $2k more. WIth that I get a spare bulb and 2 free glasses. Let's price those two items at $500. I also get a mount so I can sell it or the chief I have for like $100. So the price difference is like $1400 between the two. For that I get better blacks (especially for when I do turn off all lights), FI (Not even sure I want or need that), longer warranty (including the 2 day turnaround which is nice as I wouldn't be without something to watch for long) and RF 3D. Hmm...... Did i just convince myself to go with the 6020.
Edited by squigly1 - 8/25/13 at 10:03am
post #4652 of 8052
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I would start a separate thread, this isn't technically the correct thread for all this discussion when it gets too in-depth.
+1…we're really starting to go off on a tangent. I've seen a lot of discussion lately about projectors (HW20, HW30, W1070, etc.) that aren't even in the title of this thread, much less in the +$3K digital projector category. I think it's time to take this discussion to a separate thread.
post #4653 of 8052
good info,The only issue with the Mits might be 3D lumens unfortunately.thank you kkcY
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The Sony and Epson are center-based projectors (they have no offset). The more expensive projectors like the Sony and Epsons have a lot more lens shift than the Benq, so it does not matter where you mount them really, as long as you horizontally center them to the screen. Though if you mounted the projector too high above the screen, the Sony would eventually run out of shift, but you're ceiling is too low to worry about that anyhow. You can mount these projectors as low as you want, it doesn't matter.

For the Benq, you want as much play as possible with that slight amount of room, so the higher number is better (9" better than 8").
The center point of the Benq's lens shift offset is actually about 5" to 6" above, so by doing 9" between ceiling and screen, you'll be near the center point even if you use a flat mount plate without the attachment.

If you get a flush mount with a pivot ability, then you will be cutting it close, so the more room the merrier (hence the more space between the ceiling and screen, the better). For 108" Screen, the Benq can shift between about 3" and 8", so it doesn't matter if you move the screen down a bit or make more room between the screen and ceiling (unless you make so much that it exceeds the lens shift capability).

in my experience in deciding what to upgrade from my epson 9000w, I found in terms of flexibility of installation ie zoom and shift, I found epson and jvc most flexible and understandibly the benq least so ie Epson>JVC>Sony>Benq. to the point neither the sony or benq would even fit in my setup to achieve the zoom and image shift I need in my setup smile.gif
post #4655 of 8052
guys having moved from epson 9000w to jvc x35 and with 80 hours on the clock of the jvc I can safely say some good reason to move to the JVC for 2D but for 3D its no question the epson shat all over the jvc in this regard. theres really no comparison.

with art of flight 3D the jvcs failings with regard 3D are most apparent. you can clearly see ghost image that follows mountain ranges and also with all the fast movement the jvcs dont take that too well either. keeping in mind this is a comparitive thing. people prob watching jvc on their own would maybe think wow this is good but watch the epson for 3D and these kind of things are very apparent. that said its the kind of thing can push back of mind. which is what have been doing, os its not all bad end of world stuff and still very enjoyable overall.

the most odd thing with the jvc is the way if you sit there with the movie loading ie dark screens where literally you sit there wiht the glasses alternating thinking wow this is quite unnerving ! something else to get used to !

something to live with but otherwise pretty happy with the jvc smile.gif
post #4656 of 8052
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post


the most odd thing with the jvc is the way if you sit there with the movie loading ie dark screens where literally you sit there wiht the glasses alternating thinking wow this is quite unnerving ! something else to get used to !

something to live with but otherwise pretty happy with the jvc smile.gif

The shuttering of the glasses actually bothers my eyes in pretty much all active 3D I have seen thus far unfortunately. I mean I can watch most movies ok I guess on some projectors, but at times I want to take breaks from the 3D, it doesn't feel natural. That is why I want to try passive 3D, but I do not have the correct screen to do it, so haven't solved that issue yet.

If you want even cleaner 3D then the Epson though, the new Optoma hd25 is said to be very good as a second projector for 3D. The JVC + Optoma hd25 would make a good combo. The Epson's 3D is clean enough on a new lamp, but as the lamp ages (especially if you try gaming in 3D), then it gets a bit messier later on.
post #4657 of 8052
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The shuttering of the glasses actually bothers my eyes in pretty much all active 3D I have seen thus far unfortunately. I mean I can watch most movies ok I guess on some projectors, but at times I want to take breaks from the 3D, it doesn't feel natural. That is why I want to try passive 3D, but I do not have the correct screen to do it, so haven't solved that issue yet.

If you want even cleaner 3D then the Epson though, the new Optoma hd25 is said to be very good as a second projector for 3D. The JVC + Optoma hd25 would make a good combo. The Epson's 3D is clean enough on a new lamp, but as the lamp ages (especially if you try gaming in 3D), then it gets a bit messier later on.

Passive 3D is so easy on the eyes. It's what I'd like to have in a home theater projector. My LG passive 3D LCD display is terrific for long 3D editing sessions, and I often prefer it to my Samsung plasma even for 3D movies. Of all the active 3D displays I've owned and seen, none comes close. My Epson 6010 is next in terms of comfort, though, and I think the new models with frame interpolation might satisfy me until a passive 3D projector with great contrast comes along. And the reviews say 3D was improved in this past year's models. With the Red laser a no-show, the new Epson will probably be my next projector.
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Thread Starter 
it looks like we all have a different take on this. biggrin.gif

passive 3D in the theaters makes me wonder how 3D made it this far in the cinema, I think it's awful. I don't know how people aren't distracted by the different polarization in each lens... one eye sees all the reflections in the theater, the other eye is blocked and my brain goes nuts seeing this information. For me, it's as bad as seeing heavy crosstalk.

I think this would annoy me equally at home with a silver screen / passive setup if it meant using those same glasses from the cinema.

of all the active 3D i've seen from the various projectors, the Sharp 30K is awarded 'easiest on my eyes / brain' award, I was watching 4+ hours of 3D the other night on a marathon run and felt great afterwards.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

it looks like we all have a different take on this. biggrin.gif

passive 3D in the theaters makes me wonder how 3D made it this far in the cinema, I think it's awful. I don't know how people aren't distracted by the different polarization in each lens... one eye sees all the reflections in the theater, the other eye is blocked and my brain goes nuts seeing this information. For me, it's as bad as seeing heavy crosstalk.

If you have the right screen and setup, are you sure you can still see this as bad?
I have not made any conclusions as I have not seen a home setup in passive 3D before, only at theaters, but it has been a couple years even since I've been to a 3D movie.
post #4660 of 8052
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Originally Posted by squigly1 View Post

Still going back and forth in my head over what to get. I'll leave any Sony out of the equation for this round (Sorry WIlliam) as I will have some lights on often so a bright projector seems to be in order. So we're down to w1070 and 6020UB. Those pictures I posted look like crap. Jus so I'm clear, the lights that will most often be on in the room are at 14 and 17ft from the screen. The ones at 11 ft from the screen will be on for Sunday NFL and likely not to full power. So between the two projectors in question the Epson is $2k more. WIth that I get a spare bulb and 2 free glasses. Let's price those two items at $500. I also get a mount so I can sell it or the chief I have for like $100. So the price difference is like $1400 between the two. For that I get better blacks (especially for when I do turn off all lights), FI (Not even sure I want or need that), longer warranty (including the 2 day turnaround which is nice as I wouldn't be without something to watch for long) and RF 3D. Hmm...... Did i just convince myself to go with the 6020.

If you have any ambient light with no ability for light control, save your coin and get the BenQ. If you have the ability to light control, then blacks are where it's at.....then I'd get the HW50 smile.gif
post #4661 of 8052
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

If you have any ambient light with no ability for light control, save your coin and get the BenQ. If you have the ability to light control, then blacks are where it's at.....then I'd get the HW50 smile.gif

The HW50es is $1000 more than I'd like to spend. Plus the throw range with my measurement is going to be real close. It may not actually work. The most lighting in the room will be on Football Sunday. Football Sunday will often have recessed dimmable lights on at 11ft, 14ft, and 17ft from the screen. Other times just the lights at 14ft and 17ft from the screen, plus the computer monitior at 17ft from the screen will be on. When it's just me alone in the room on the computer with the TV on, like I am now, I don't really need to have the lights at 14ft on or can dim them. So that really leave me the ones at 17ft and the monitor. I think i'd benefit from better blacks in this environment (though what do i know). Plus the better blacks when I turn all lights off and watch a movie. Hence my lean towards the 6020. It's really only $1400 more than the benq what with the spare bulb, glasses, and mount thrown in. I also get a black cover/chassis on the projector which I think will look better than the colour of hte Benq.
post #4662 of 8052
I saw a 65" Sony 4K passive display at a Best Buy Magnolia store. It solved one of the big problems I have with my LG - jaggies. If I sit back far enough from my LG, I can almost not see the dark horizontal lines caused by the polarized filter. But there isn't anywhere I sit that keeps me from seeing the jaggies. With 4K, the jaggies are gone, because each eye is seeing full 1080p. But these Sony's are still LCD and lack plasma's richness and contrast. As for "3D anomalies," I see them in active displays as well. I don't find passive 3D any worse in this regard than active 3D. I'm going only by what I've seen with consumer displays. Commercial 3D theaters, in my experience, always look worse. There are any number of problems with them, and the different polarization in each eye doesn't even make the top 10 on my list. smile.gif
post #4663 of 8052
squigly1, Epson's are good projectors and have first class customer service. You'll love that projector. You'll love it even more if you have the ability to light control the room. It doesn't take much ambient light to negate the benefits of the blacks. I love the DLP look but also loved my other Epson's as well.

Good luck, you're gonna' love your new Epson.
post #4664 of 8052
I just got my hw50es on friday and been playing with it. It's awesome. smokes my former epson 8500ub
post #4665 of 8052
Probably not the thread for this question, but maybe someone can point me in the right direction. As I mentioned some time ago, my projector will be in an adjacent room firing through the wall (and a glass window) at the screen in the home theater room. I don't want that glass to degrade image quality. Is there a particular kind of glass, or anti-reflective coating, I should be looking for?
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post #4667 of 8052
That is a very nice hint that I could use myself eventually, but how does the remote react when the PJ is in a different room ?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jj-34 View Post

That is a very nice hint that I could use myself eventually, but how does the remote react when the PJ is in a different room ?

a number of members have used this IR to RF setup.

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=lrrx&d=nextgen-invisible-multi-room-remote-extender-frequency-433-%28lrrx%29
post #4669 of 8052
Thanks, Jason.

The remote might work OK if there's enough line of sight to the projector. If not, an IR to RF repeater should. I'll be using my Niles IR system. A sensor near the screen picks up the signal, and IR blasters in the other room hit my AV gear and the projector. On the Epson 6010, the IR 3D emitter is built in, but that signal can be routed to an external emitter via an Ethernet cable. I ran these extra cables when I redesigned the room. The Epson's IR 3D emitter always flooded the room with too much signal anyway, so being able to isolate the emitter and receiver from one another is another benefit of the redesign. If I trade up to the Epson "5030," 3D will be RF and I shouldn't have to worry about that part of it anymore.
post #4670 of 8052
Cross posts. Jason beat me to it. smile.gif

I use an IR to RF unit that I picked up at Best Buy. It was the easiest way to prevent a conflict between Denon receivers in two separate rooms (both on the Niles system). The Denon's can be programmed to operate on different frequencies, but I had issues with that.
post #4671 of 8052
Does anybody have an idea as to when the new Epson 5030 projector will go on sale?? I returned my Panny 8000 and picked up an Epson 5020 this past weekend and I'm blown away as to how much better this proejctor is compared to the BenQ W7000 and Panasonic PT-8000. I'm sure there's some members reading this right now thinking, "I told you so" And you guys were right.

As much as I love the 5020 (not to mention the amazing deal I got) I'm missing FI in 3D. I've been told that's one of the main changes being made to the 5030 and I think I'm going to return my 5020. Unless of course there's a way to go into the factory menu on the 5020 and somehow activate FI in 3D............ Wishful thinking smile.gif

I might have some settings wrong on my 5020 but the motion seems outright bad in 3D. So much so, that even my wife mentioned it. I'm watching blu-rays through my PS3 but I have 24fps on. Curious if anyone else notices choppy motion in 3D or if I could have my settings messed up. I read on the Epson 5020 forums that you should set your screen size to 60" which is where I have it right now. Thanks
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Someone posted earlier that we should expect the new Epson's in October. There is motion judder on my 6010, but (for me) 3D seems to help smooth it out a bit. I don't find it as bad as not having FI in 2D. FI on the Epson is quite good. Regardless, the 5030 is worth the wait for me.
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Someone posted earlier that we should expect the new Epson's in October. There is motion judder on my 6010, but (for me) 3D seems to help smooth it out a bit. I don't find it as bad as not having FI in 2D. FI on the Epson is quite good. Regardless, the 5030 is worth the wait for me.

Thanks Joseph. I agree that the FI on the Epson is really good. Sounds like we're having different experiences because no FI in 3D looks really bad when it comes to motion judder. No FI in 2D looks a heck of alot better than no FI in 3D which is a surprise because I've heard the opposite.

Glad to hear the Epson is coming out in October. I was nervous about the release date because when I went over to the 5020 thread, it wasn't started until January of this year so I thought it wouldn't release until January of next year.
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Thread Starter 
check out my new HT toy:

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I've been waiting a while to get one of these. it's impressive how it registers a signal with such little light hitting the meter. This is replacing my 813 meter which was ok for general measurements at 100% IRE.

I'm looking forward to trying this out later.
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^^^^Holy crap...just googled the meter so I can see why you waited! eek.gif

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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Someone posted earlier that we should expect the new Epson's in October. There is motion judder on my 6010, but (for me) 3D seems to help smooth it out a bit. I don't find it as bad as not having FI in 2D. FI on the Epson is quite good. Regardless, the 5030 is worth the wait for me.

I tested the 5010 and the 5020 and beside the dynamic iris that is not really usable, I really like this projector. The FI is pretty good and if they move that to the 3D it will made a well rounded 2D / 3D projector.

I also hope they will allow the Super Resolution in 3D.
post #4677 of 8052
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

I tested the 5010 and the 5020 and beside the dynamic iris that is not really usable, I really like this projector. The FI is pretty good and if they move that to the 3D it will made a well rounded 2D / 3D projector.

I also hope they will allow the Super Resolution in 3D.

That would be great if Super Resolution will also be available in 3D along with FI!

I'm curious why you said the Dynamic Iris isn't really useable? I agree that in 3D it's not, because it causes flickering with my glasses and it made the picture kind of unstable. I haven't noticed any side effects while using it in 2D.
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

I tested the 5010 and the 5020 and beside the dynamic iris that is not really usable, I really like this projector. The FI is pretty good and if they move that to the 3D it will made a well rounded 2D / 3D projector.

I also hope they will allow the Super Resolution in 3D.

That would be great if Super Resolution will also be available in 3D along with FI!

I'm curious why you said the Dynamic Iris isn't really useable? I agree that in 3D it's not, because it causes flickering with my glasses and it made the picture kind of unstable. I haven't noticed any side effects while using it in 2D.

In 2D, on some scene, I can see the light pumping effect.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jkasanic View Post

^^^^Holy crap...just googled the meter so I can see why you waited! eek.gif

that's why I waited until I found a good deal.... smile.gif

regarding the Epson, I can definitely see the iris on the 6020 I recently calibrated, even in the least aggressive setting. The recently released BD 'Oblivion' is a torture test for a DI. I ended up turning it off for this movie, but it still looks very good for an LCD projector.
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Hi Guys, I've not been here for SO long. I've been very happy with my JVC HD100 for the last 5yrs - which is a long time as far as technology is concerned, and so I was wondering how much things have improved. I believe my PJ outputs around 600 lumens and the current equivalent model puts out double that for a similar power consumption (JVS RS55 - 1200 lumens?) I watch movies and music concerts plus a little golf. Would I see a night and day difference with the new models compared to my ageing HD100?
Could anyone tell me which models have superceded the HD100 over the years?
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