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Originally Posted by walterappleby View Post

A Happy Belated Birthday to this thread!

This thread is over a year old and still active. It has over 400,000 views and nearly 5,000 posts in 167 pages. In light of that perhaps we should reconsider the definition of a "mini" shootout next time, eh?

Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to Zombie10k and all those who have contributed over the past year. There's tons of valuable information here that I know has helped many people make buying/upgrade decisions. This is what a thriving community forum is supposed to look like!

Good points, Walter. It's one thing to get on a forum like this and complain about the state of affairs. It's quite another to do something about it. That's what Jason did, and the community has responded with tremendous interest, enthusiasm and support for the effort. Bravo!
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Originally Posted by walterappleby View Post

A Happy Belated Birthday to this thread!

This thread is over a year old and still active. It has over 400,000 views and nearly 5,000 posts in 167 pages. In light of that perhaps we should reconsider the definition of a "mini" shootout next time, eh?

Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks to Zombie10k and all those who have contributed over the past year. There's tons of valuable information here that I know has helped many people make buying/upgrade decisions. This is what a thriving community forum is supposed to look like!

Thanks for the comments, I just realized it was a year old already. We did the same thing in 2011-2012 with the first mini-shootout and had many visitors & contributors.

We also have to thank AVScience reps as well for their participation. These guys are here every day answering questions and offering good advice. They are a great vendor to work with and buy from as many folks here already know.

There will be a round 3, i'm trying to figure out a better way of keeping the information organized on the first page so that new visitors won't have to hunt through through the mile long thread.
post #4983 of 8052
For the next thread, why not start it by reserving several posts at the front to organize your observations about various things - contrast, motion, 2D performance, 3D performance, 3D glasses and compatibility, off the top of my head. Then you could make note of changes to those posts as the thread evolves.
post #4984 of 8052
Is there enough out there right now to make a new shootout? It seems all of the lower end projectors released have been mostly incremental, evolutionary changes. Perhaps JVC made the biggest leap but overall I'd say until the Optoma LED and the benq w7500 are out, not much to add.

That is just my uninformed opinion.
post #4985 of 8052
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I'll probably wait until the Sony's are out before we get started. Every year the changes in general are mostly incremental but many folks still want to know and discuss all the fine details.
post #4986 of 8052
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Originally Posted by Gagorian View Post

I also do hope that Da-Lite fixed the issue but I'm not keeping my hopes up as they never once acknowledged my issue. They claimed they didn't see the issue on my pictures and my last replacement screen underwent an extra "quality check" and they weren't able to see any issues. Although I guess admitting you have a faulty product isn't good business unless you have a fix ready. Even so they agreed to swap my screen several times, so in fact I think they knew they had an issue but just didn't want to admit it - otherwise why would they have swapped (and paid for the expensive air shipping to Finland) the screen several times? With that said in the end I'm satisfied with Da-Lite customer support as they allowed me to 'upgrade' to the JKP material for a fair price.

I completely agree with you, I would've been ready to pay all the increased expenses and more for the 2.8 material. E-mailing back and forth with my dealer and Da-Lite, carrying, unpackaging, mounting and sending back big screens isn't my favorite way to spend my time off. If Da-Lite ever gets the 2.8 material back, I'm pretty sure I'd buy one for 3D and ambient viewing use.
Does this mean my 108" wide electric 2,8gain high power is APPRECIATING?! Good to know! wink.gif
post #4987 of 8052
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This means it's time to go digital storage... The Mede8ter is calling your name.
Hi Jason! I just picked up a Mede8er 600X3D...quick question...how do I display 3D MVC MKV files (made using makeMKV) on an Epson display? I can play back 3D BD-ISO with no problems, but I can't seem to get the 3D MKVs to display in 3D. The Epson 5010 keeps telling me that there is no 3D source material to display.

Sorry for the off topic post, but I did not know where else to post it where you would see it, and your PM box always seems to be full...smile.gif

Edit: I tried out the "3D Simulation" setting from the Mede8er's menu. It looks really good for a simulated 3D effect, so I am wondering if that is the mode that is to be used for 3D MKV files.
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If its like the W1070 I had to rename the file to say.......... Avitar.SBS ie side by side, to alert the projector to switch in to 3D mode, hope it helps smile.gif
post #4989 of 8052
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If its like the W1070 I had to rename the file to say.......... Avitar.SBS ie side by side, to alert the projector to switch in to 3D mode, hope it helps
To the best of my knowledge, the 3D files created by makeMKV are frame packed, not SBS or top/bottom. I tried to force the Epson to display the MKV in 3D, but the Epson simply said that the file contained no 3D information (or something like that).

Like I said above, the "3D simulation" of the Mede8er box looks really too good for a simulation, so I suspect that it is displaying the proper 3D information contained in the MKV.

Edit: Yup, you were right! I just had to rename the 3D files as "filename.TB.mkv" or "filename.SBS.mkv" and they triggered the Epson to display properly. Thanks, jamieuk!
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A few pages ago it was mentioned that the hc7900 had no real lens shift. What does that mean? I thought it had vertical lens shift but I'm not having luck finding out how much shift it has. I have a rear mounted shelf about 6' up. Those projectors are going for $1100 new now which is mighty tempting. I'm only concerned about 2d viewing in a dedicated theater.
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

To the best of my knowledge, the 3D files created by makeMKV are frame packed, not SBS or top/bottom. I tried to force the Epson to display the MKV in 3D, but the Epson simply said that the file contained no 3D information (or something like that).

Like I said above, the "3D simulation" of the Mede8er box looks really too good for a simulation, so I suspect that it is displaying the proper 3D information contained in the MKV.

Edit: Yup, you were right! I just had to rename the 3D files as "filename.TB.mkv" or "filename.SBS.mkv" and they triggered the Epson to display properly. Thanks, jamieuk!

Bob, the mede8er will put those files in full frame packed mode with the 'Side by Side' or 'Top and Bottom' setting in the menu. It's strange but true.

putting the .SBS in the file name auto triggers the 3D mode automatically.

How are you liking it so far? what kind of storage are you running?

I set up a 17TB file server in the beginning of the year using the WD Red drives, so far it's been great. It has a dedicated raid controller which was a bit expensive but will email me if a drive goes offline. pretty cool. cool.gif

fileserver.jpg

I have about 90-100 3D movies in 3D MVC MKV format and countless 2D movies, it's a blast being able to jump from movie to movie.
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Random question. What is the main cause for a projector image not to be in full focus? I have the Epson 5030 and can't seem to get the entire image in focus at the same time. It's either one half or the other being completely sharp but no matter how much I mess with focus, I can't get a fully uniformed focus on the screen.

Am I doing something wrong such as having it shelf mounted or is this part of the cons of owning a projector?
post #4993 of 8052
Thread Starter 
is the projector square with the screen? It's possible it could be the lens in this particular sample. did you have this issue with the other projectors?
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When you say square with the screen, what exactly do u mean? I noticed on the others but this one seems a little worse.
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Bob, the mede8er will put those files in full frame packed mode with the 'Side by Side' or 'Top and Bottom' setting in the menu. It's strange but true.

putting the .SBS in the file name auto triggers the 3D mode automatically.

Yup, thanks! After playing with it for awhile I finally figured that out...rolleyes.gif
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How are you liking it so far?
So far it is far and away the best unit I have used, though it still has a few problems, like honoring the "forced" flag and dealing with seamless branching/gapless playback. Everything else works great! And i really like the idea of creating 3D MKVs instead of using 3D BD-ISOs...it saves a ton of space and I can construct the MKVs to play perfectly without having to navigate and/or change settings...smile.gif
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what kind of storage are you running?

I currently am running two 40TB unRAID servers, and I am in the process of upgrading one of them to 80 TB, so I will soon have a total of 120 TB. UnRAID plays really really nice with the Mede8er box - I tested the bitrate over the LAN using the "Jellyfish" bitrate files, and I can play back 80 mb/s files over Samba and can play back the 120 mb/s files (the highest Jellyfish file available) smooth as silk using NFS. I can even play back high bitrate 3D BD-ISOs over Samba without a hiccup, so I am VERY happy with the Mede8er box...biggrin.gif
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I set up a 17TB file server in the beginning of the year using the WD Red drives, so far it's been great. It has a dedicated raid controller which was a bit expensive but will email me if a drive goes offline. pretty cool.

Nice! ...just way too small...tongue.gif
post #4996 of 8052
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I was originally playing around with a ZFS FreeNAS setup and settled on a basic win config + hardware raid. I use an NFS service vs. SMB, it seems to work better.

the seamless branching on Disney ISO's is a bit of a pain, none of these 'off-shore' media devices with 3D support seem to be able to handle it. I have no problem just pulling out the main file + HD audio, I hardly ever look at the extras on the original disks.

That is some serious storage, I know Joseph Clark has a large unraid setup as well. Glad to hear it's working well for you. I don't think I can go back to a regular BD player now.
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I upgraded to a single SuperMicro UnRaid server a few months back. With all 4TB drives, I'd max out at 100TB (about 50TB now). I have two older UnRaid servers (with 500GB drives) that I need to dispose of. It's nice having everything tucked out of the way in the basement in just one box.
post #4998 of 8052
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

When you say square with the screen, what exactly do u mean? I noticed on the others but this one seems a little worse.

He means at a 90 degree angle to the screen and horizontally centered. Most projectors have a grid pattern you can project, this is generally how you align the image to the screen. The grid pattern should be fully contained in the border of the screen without showing any leaning or off-center attributes or overflow. Though unless you had the lens a pretty obvious amount off-center, you probably just have a convergence issue or a bad lens element or something.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

There will be a round 3, i'm trying to figure out a better way of keeping the information organized on the first page so that new visitors won't have to hunt through through the mile long thread.

I know this will sound weird, but what about not putting the name of the PJs in the title of the thread? Let's say someone wants info on the 5020. If you try and search the thread, every post in the thread comes up because the title is in every post. That makes it impossible to search for information on particular PJs. There's a massive amount of information here, but it's useless to anyone who isn't reading it every day; you just can't find the info you need. If the name of the PJ's wasn't in the title of the thread, you could search for "RS46" and find info quickly. If everyone who does a review titles their post "(PJ Name) Review" you could instantly go to the reviews on the PJ you were interested in. Maybe just name the thread "Zombie10k's 2014 PJ Shootout." Just a thought. You do so much for everyone with all the testing you do and it is greatly appreciated.
post #5000 of 8052
Thread Starter 
thanks for the input, it was difficult keeping all the info in 1 place since so many different projectors were coming in at the same time. That's why I didn't start round 3 yet, i'm looking for a better way to organize the information. I won't include the projector names in the title.

If I recall correctly, weren't you swapping out the Epson LPE filter for the lumagen mini 3D? I took a shot at calibrating the 5030 in dynamic mode, I was able to adjust 30-80, but 90 & 100 had too much green even after the auto-cal. I didn't get a chance to manually adjust the lumagen, but there wasn't enough room in the built in RGB settings to knock it down.

i would have liked to try the LPE filter with this 5030.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

i would have liked to try the LPE filter with this 5030.
I just got back one more from family members switching to JVC, so I have two. PM me your address and I'll lend you one before I sell it.


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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

If I recall correctly, weren't you swapping out the Epson LPE filter for the lumagen mini 3D? I took a shot at calibrating the 5030 in dynamic mode, I was able to adjust 30-80, but 90 & 100 had too much green even after the auto-cal. I didn't get a chance to manually adjust the lumagen, but there wasn't enough room in the built in RGB settings to knock it down.

I picked up a used Lumagen XS3d for a steal, and have been using that without the filter. I get really outstanding results with the XS and Dynamic, but there's a pretty fair drop in output which of course results in a drop in native contrast. I'm going to play around some more with the filter and the XS combined and see if I can't get back some of the contrast. I only tried one go with the combo before I gave up on it. BTW, I had 300 hours on the lamp before I tried the XS3D; I don't know if that made a difference.

One thing I did was adjust 100 manually at the PJ before running autocal. (Per Lumagen's advice.) So, 100 was already dead on. The grayscale ended up as close to perfect as I could want. I did the same with color, got 100% saturation and luminance as close as possible before autocal. Also, I ran autocal several times, and it got better with each run. I don't understand that, it's supposed to just start from scratch each time? Regardless, I absolutely saw it get closer with successive runs. The end result is really spectacular, the best I've seen out of Epson, but there is a slight degradation in contrast.
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Since things are kind of slow at this moment and Jason and I were talking about the Mede8er boxes, I will repeat what I posted in the Mede8er thread:
What a bummer...frown.gif

Still OT:

I ran across this, too, but with hi-res stereo FLAC files from HDTracks - 192/24 and 96/24. Those files play at a very low level on the Mede8er 300 (same as your 600 but without the internal hard drive). Since I play those files back from a 64GB USB thumb drive on my Denon receiver, it's no big deal for me. Your situation obviously makes it a real problem.

That said, I'm thinking of putting together a HTPC based on the Gigabyte Brix (a NUC-like PC that's smaller than 3 stacked CD jewel cases). I find myself missing a full blown HTPC in the room where I use the Mede8er now.
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I ran across this, too, but with hi-res stereo FLAC files from HDTracks - 192/24 and 96/24. Those files play at a very low level on the Mede8er 300 (same as your 600 but without the internal hard drive). Since I play those files back from a 64GB USB thumb drive on my Denon receiver, it's no big deal for me. Your situation obviously makes it a real problem.
Hi Joe, it seems like we have a lot in common - Epson projectors (I have the 5010 right now and am planning to buy the 5030 soon), Mede8er boxes, and big servers...smile.gif

The solution to the soft playback for both of us lies in this post from thrang:
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I think FLAC is an analog signal? If so its output level passes through the mede8er volume controls, which by default, are set "half-way" ( PCM encoded Blu Rays had this same problem for me). If you raise the volume to max, it's like a unity gain...however I don't recall if there are volume buttons on the unit, and if you're remote is not working, that's where the buttons are...

Now that I have a USB keyboard plugged in to replace my dead remote (I will return it for exchange tomorrow), I set the volume to max and all is well and balanced...smile.gif
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Thanks for passing that along, Bob. I'll try it tonight.
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

My experience with the JVC RS40/45 was that out of the box, they tended to crush blacks a bit. A calibration (with gamma adjustment) brought out the shadow detail, and the native contrast made for an amazing 2D image. IMO the Epson 6010, in THX mode, had a better balance of shadow detail and black level OOTB than the JVC's.

Agree having owned the Epson 9000w and now jvc x35
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Originally Posted by JewDaddy View Post

Random question. What is the main cause for a projector image not to be in full focus? I have the Epson 5030 and can't seem to get the entire image in focus at the same time. It's either one half or the other being completely sharp but no matter how much I mess with focus, I can't get a fully uniformed focus on the screen.

Am I doing something wrong such as having it shelf mounted or is this part of the cons of owning a projector?

Do you run much lens shift ? I found that with Epson you have to compromise... Ie focus on a point centre of screen and then mostly rest if screen is close enough in focus. The jvc x35 is better in uniformity with same lens shift. smile.gif
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Question....

Over at projector reviews someone posted some calibration settings for the x35 and I was trying to adjust mine to see how it looked..

I am getting confused at the RGB setting. There is Gain and offset.. When I go into the projector it has two ways of adjusting it INPUT AND OUTPUT.... Below are the posted settings where it tells me r-20 now is that for the input or output part?

RGB Settings

Calibration settings:

Calibration settings for User 1:

Gamma on Custom
Color Space on Standard
Color on 0
Color Temp @ 6500K

JVC DLA-X35 Grayscale Calibration:

Calibration settings for User 1:
Gamma on Custom1 - Normal starting point, Color Profile on Standard

User 1, Custom Color Temp 1 w/ 6500 starting point
Gain (0) R= -20
(NOTE: Gain can G = 0
only be adjusted B = -18
down.)

Offset (0) R = 3
G = 0
B = 3
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I didn't bother with all that, too early for me to calibrate the x35, but picture mode to Film, colour space to Standard, gamma to 2.2 and colour temp to 6500. gave me a pretty good result compared to what was out of box. good enough for me till get enough hours on the pj to calibrate smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Kirnak View Post

I know this will sound weird, but what about not putting the name of the PJs in the title of the thread? Let's say someone wants info on the 5020. If you try and search the thread, every post in the thread comes up because the title is in every post. That makes it impossible to search for information on particular PJs. There's a massive amount of information here, but it's useless to anyone who isn't reading it every day; you just can't find the info you need. If the name of the PJ's wasn't in the title of the thread, you could search for "RS46" and find info quickly. If everyone who does a review titles their post "(PJ Name) Review" you could instantly go to the reviews on the PJ you were interested in. Maybe just name the thread "Zombie10k's 2014 PJ Shootout." Just a thought. You do so much for everyone with all the testing you do and it is greatly appreciated.


+1 !!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by simsatit View Post

+1 !!!!!!!

This threading is a running discussion, if you have any specific questions, post them and you'll get a response.
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