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I know this will sound weird, but what about not putting the name of the PJs in the title of the thread?
A table of content one page #1 would make it possible to find the posts with the main information on a certain projector. But without any navigational help I gave up.
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Originally Posted by simsatit View Post

+1 !!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

This threading is a running discussion, if you have any specific questions, post them and you'll get a response.

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A table of content one page #1 would make it possible to find the posts with the main information on a certain projector. But without any navigational help I gave up.

Zombie, we whom have read every single page of this thread appreciate all you do. For the rest of you skimmers, you don't have to read every page, just Ctrl+F and search for keywords...works great. You can't create a 'Table of Contents' for content that has yet to come to fruition. There really is no way to make searching easier if/when it's broken down into pages...you just have to be dedicated and read.
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Zombie, we whom have read every single page of this thread appreciate all you do. For the rest of you skimmers, you don't have to read every page, just Ctrl+F and search for keywords...works great. You can't create a 'Table of Contents' for content that has yet to come to fruition. There really is no way to make searching easier if/when it's broken down into pages...you just have to be dedicated and read.

thanks, we're working on a method to better organize the summary info from each projector review for the upcoming models.
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Zombie, we whom have read every single page of this thread appreciate all you do. For the rest of you skimmers, you don't have to read every page, just Ctrl+F and search for keywords...works great. You can't create a 'Table of Contents' for content that has yet to come to fruition. There really is no way to make searching easier if/when it's broken down into pages...you just have to be dedicated and read.

Obviousilly the hard work is much appreciated, therefore it would be helpfull for me to just be able to look up everything written about the RS56 in this thread.

But, the search option in the windows explorer works also, true.
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Hi Zombie10K,

I have a JVC X30, in a dedicated HT batcave.
I might have a possibility to upgrade to a RS56 (X75RBE).

I am happy with the PQ of the X30, will the difference be subtle or will it be substancial, or BIG?
Only if it is option: BIG, I will consider burning the money for this mega upgrade.. (as for money wise it is a BIG difference). (costs almost 3 times what I payed for the X30)

Thank you.
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Originally Posted by simsatit View Post

Hi Zombie10K,

I have a JVC X30, in a dedicated HT batcave.
I might have a possibility to upgrade to a RS56 (X75RBE).

I am happy with the PQ of the X30, will the difference be subtle or will it be substancial, or BIG?
Only if it is option: BIG, I will consider burning the money for this mega upgrade.. (as for money wise it is a BIG difference). (costs almost 3 times what I payed for the X30)

Thank you.

How big is your screen and how close do you sit? There will be a difference, but I wouldn't expect a big difference especially if there is going be a large cost to upgrade. The 3D is definitely better but not sure if this is a priority for you.

I would wait for more news / reviews of the upcoming JVC's with the new iris system before making a decision on last year's model.
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Zombie, we whom have read every single page of this thread appreciate all you do. For the rest of you skimmers, you don't have to read every page, just Ctrl+F and search for keywords...works great. You can't create a 'Table of Contents' for content that has yet to come to fruition. There really is no way to make searching easier if/when it's broken down into pages...you just have to be dedicated and read.

Obviousilly the hard work is much appreciated, therefore it would be helpfull for me to just be able to look up everything written about the RS56 in this thread.

But, the search option in the windows explorer works also, true.

 

+1 on the hard work from zombie and other contributors to this very informative thread.  At +5k posts and even 100 posts per page (forum max AFAIK), the ctrl+F option is tedious at best.  What I don't understand is why the search preview is so small when viewing advanced searches by post?  If you could just read a little of the actual post or at least see where your keywords are phrased within the post instead of the first few lines of the quoted portion of hte post that would be a tremendous help imho.

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But, the search option in the windows explorer works also, true.
Yes, it works, but I get a lot of false alarms, because every post of Zombie10K contains the name of each projector in his signature.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

How big is your screen and how close do you sit? There will be a difference, but I wouldn't expect a big difference especially if there is going be a large cost to upgrade. The 3D is definitely better but not sure if this is a priority for you.

I would wait for more news / reviews of the upcoming JVC's with the new iris system before making a decision on last year's model.

I sit approx 3.5 - 4 meter from the screen and the with of the screen (not the diagonal) is 2.4 meter (94.5 inch wide).
I have a totally black batcave.

2D is most important to me.

Blacker than black also smile.gif

Ansi contrast couldn't hurt as well, but the Dila and sony panels are not the champs in that respect.

So my X30 would still be good enough not to warrant the (in respect of costs) upgrade to the RS56?

Maybe wait and see if the x500 would be the steel?
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Where is the information regarding the Panasonic AE8000? I didn't see any comparison pictures, all I found was this post.
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Pictures? What good would pictures do?
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Why Zombie doesn't make his own website with his reputation is beyond me. That would be a way of solving this mess of finding reviews in here and would make a million on the way smile.gif
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Where is the information regarding the Panasonic AE8000? I didn't see any comparison pictures, all I found was this post.

there is more info buried further down in the thread, I'll try to find it for you.

what would you like to know besides it being my last pick for the projectors mentioned in the shootout?

The comparison photos won't help determine the differences I saw with this projector. If we're comparing the LCD models, the 5030 bests the 8000 with overall PQ in 2D and 3D. The Epson's colors out of the box are noticeably better in 2D and especially 3D vs. the Panasonic which needs a serious color calibration in 3D. Epson's ability to control crosstalk is also better. Contrast on the Epson is also better than the Panasonic.

With the other competition at the same basic price (JVC RS46 / Epson 5030) it's difficult to give a recommendation to the Panasonic. They need to step it up a few notches and already missed their chance this year. With their recent exit in the Plasma market, no one knows if they will continue their front projectors next year.

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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

Why Zombie doesn't make his own website with his reputation is beyond me. That would be a way of solving this mess of finding reviews in here and would make a million on the way smile.gif

we're working on a better way to isolate the specific reviews and still have the on-going discussion throughout the year. I'm here to have some fun and pass along the info for others, no commercial interests. I already ruined 1 hobby 20+ years ago by making a career out of it (IT)... cool.gif


edit: I have to be fair, there were 2 projectors that were in the running for 'last pick'. The Mitsubishi HC8000 and the Panasonic 8000 were a close tie for different reasons.
Edited by zombie10k - 11/2/13 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

there is more info buried further down in the thread, I'll try to find it for you.

what would you like to know besides it being my last pick for the projectors mentioned in the shootout?

The comparison photos won't help determine the differences I saw with this projector. If we're comparing the LCD models, the 5030 bests the 8000 with overall PQ in 2D and 3D. The Epson's colors out of the box are noticeably better in 2D and especially 3D vs. the Panasonic which needs a serious color calibration in 3D. Epson's ability to control crosstalk is also better. Contrast on the Epson is also better than the Panasonic.

With the other competition at the same basic price (JVC RS46 / Epson 5030) it's difficult to give a recommendation to the Panasonic. They need to step it up a few notches and already missed their chance this year. With their recent exit in the Plasma market, no one knows if they will continue their front projectors next year.
First, I'd like to say I certainly appreciate the massive amounts of work you've done to compare these projectors. It's sure tough to make an informed choice without being able to see them first hand in the same environment, you provide the next best thing...so, thanks!

I sent you a PM primarily because I didn't want to clog up a thread with the specific issues. I have a 2.35 screen so that rules out a vast majority of projectors and my decision was between the $600 more expensive RS46 (with 3D) and the AE8000. Coming off a problematic AE7000 I was nervous to try Panasonic again and was willing to spend the extra cash, I picked up an RS46. I had some odd lens aberrations and dead pixels. I have a replacement on the way, but am curious if you noted any similar issues with it. Oddly enough, I thought the 'screen door effect' was noticeably less on the AE7000 vs the RS46.

It is because of the issues I read with the AE8000 that pushed me to the RS46, now that I have one that is defective, I'm questioning the choice and looking into AE8000's again should the replacement have issues too.

I searched everything with your username and '8000' to try and find any references that you may have made to the AE8000, sadly I didn't find a ton of review/comparison related info...could be me, of course.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

we're working on a better way to isolate the specific reviews and still have the on-going discussion throughout the year. I'm here to have some fun and pass along the info for others, no commercial interests. I already ruined 1 hobby 20+ years ago by making a career out of it (IT)... cool.gif
Perhaps you could link/copy/quote all of your findings and comparisons into the first post? Just a suggestion. Thanks again for all your work! biggrin.gif
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It is very hard/impossible to search the thread. dream liners suggestion is a very good one where specific comparison notes could be linked to perhaps with an update to the original post. too hard now to do, wading through posts over posts. but if done as they occur. its perhaps a workable solution. doing a search within this thread by say model number for what ever reason doesn't seem to work to give meaningful result so apart from the suggestion proposed, not sure what else would work.
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First, I'd like to say I certainly appreciate the massive amounts of work you've done to compare these projectors. It's sure tough to make an informed choice without being able to see them first hand in the same environment, you provide the next best thing...so, thanks!

I sent you a PM primarily because I didn't want to clog up a thread with the specific issues. I have a 2.35 screen so that rules out a vast majority of projectors and my decision was between the $600 more expensive RS46 (with 3D) and the AE8000. Coming off a problematic AE7000 I was nervous to try Panasonic again and was willing to spend the extra cash, I picked up an RS46. I had some odd lens aberrations and dead pixels. I have a replacement on the way, but am curious if you noted any similar issues with it. Oddly enough, I thought the 'screen door effect' was noticeably less on the AE7000 vs the RS46.

It is because of the issues I read with the AE8000 that pushed me to the RS46, now that I have one that is defective, I'm questioning the choice and looking into AE8000's again should the replacement have issues too.


Hi, I looked at the photos, that's worth swapping out and isn't typical of the RS46/X35's i've seen. I recently calibrated a friend's X35 and the pixel focus was perfect from edge to edge.

How close are you sitting to the screen? The JVC definitely has a more noticeable pixel structure up close, it's about as close as you get to a good DLP. It shouldn't be noticeable though at a reasonable seating distance. I have good vision and can't see it at 14 feet from my 142" (~ 1.25 screen widths).

If you're looking for the next possible improvement, one of the JVC e-shift projectors should be on the radar. It not only eliminates the pixel structure, but can also enhance the perceived contrast with the scaling/overlap process. Then they add a bit of mild sharpening for a film like image that is still nice and sharp. e-shift is best used on larger screens, several have said they don't see the effect as I see it on the smaller screens. it's definitely worth it on my 142" 16:9.


good luck with your replacement, keep us posted.
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Hi, I looked at the photos, that's worth swapping out and isn't typical of the RS46/X35's i've seen. I recently calibrated a friend's X35 and the pixel focus was perfect from edge to edge.

How close are you sitting to the screen? The JVC definitely has a more noticeable pixel structure up close, it's about as close as you get to a good DLP. It shouldn't be noticeable though at a reasonable seating distance. I have good vision and can't see it at 14 feet from my 142" (~ 1.25 screen widths).

If you're looking for the next possible improvement, one of the JVC e-shift projectors should be on the radar. It not only eliminates the pixel structure, but can also enhance the perceived contrast with the scaling/overlap process. Then they add a bit of mild sharpening for a film like image that is still nice and sharp. e-shift is best used on larger screens, several have said they don't see the effect as I see it on the smaller screens. it's definitely worth it on my 142" 16:9.


good luck with your replacement, keep us posted.
Replacement on the way. Other than the issues I mentioned, the PQ is pretty great on the RS46. The e-shift projectors are a bit out of my price range, I pushed it a bit for the RS46.

I sit 13' from a 136" 2.35 screen. Pixels are not obviously noticeable, but definitely more so than the AE7000 I had before it (probably because of the Panasonic's 'Smooth Screen').
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Replacement on the way. Other than the issues I mentioned, the PQ is pretty great on the RS46. The e-shift projectors are a bit out of my price range, I pushed it a bit for the RS46.

I sit 13' from a 136" 2.35 screen. Pixels are not obviously noticeable, but definitely more so than the AE7000 I had before it (probably because of the Panasonic's 'Smooth Screen').

It sounds as if you need powered lens shift/memory.
It depends upon your priorities, but another "cost effective" solution is the Sharp Z30K. Film 2D is probably not as quite good as JVC, but video and 3D are superb.
DLP sharpness and minimal SDE.
Throw in cost of opperation and 3 year warranty and it's probabaly worth checking out on your 2.35 screen...
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I have about 90-100 3D movies in 3D MVC MKV format and countless 2D movies, it's a blast being able to jump from movie to movie.
Zombie, what motherboard and PSU do you have? It's impressive your system can handle this much HDDs, because mine is struggling with five. I cannot keep an archive because files on my drives are getting corrupted. And it's not a matter of faulty HDDs, I've replaced several of them already. Thinking the problem lies with motherboard or PSU.
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Zombie, what motherboard and PSU do you have? It's impressive your system can handle this much HDDs, because mine is struggling with five. I cannot keep an archive because files on my drives are getting corrupted. And it's not a matter of faulty HDDs, I've replaced several of them already. Thinking the problem lies with motherboard or PSU.
He's got an Asus motherboard. It's important to have a quality board like Asus and a quality PSU for stability. Also, keeping everything cool is always wise.

His case is a Fractal Design Refine R2 or R3. I have one too and it's a pretty awesome case for cooling. I've added 2 120mm fans to the inside of the hard drive stack, to keep airflow moving an everything cool. cool.gif
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Zombie, what motherboard and PSU do you have? It's impressive your system can handle this much HDDs, because mine is struggling with five. I cannot keep an archive because files on my drives are getting corrupted. And it's not a matter of faulty HDDs, I've replaced several of them already. Thinking the problem lies with motherboard or PSU.

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HDD's typically don't use a lot of power, but they run hot if crowded into a case with poor cooling. That's a sure-fire way to fry them. A case that allows you to route cables behind the motherboard instead of in front can help keep the interior cool and tidy. And as Dreamliner says, pick a power supply that's well reviewed. 5 drives is nothing for a decent power supply and well cooled case. My SuperMicro server has 24 drives, with dual (but redundant) power supplies. It screams like a Banshee but drive temps never top 30 degrees C, and many are in the low 20's or teens. I'm building a small room for the server that will double up as a mini recording booth when I need it. Even in the basement, the cooling fans spin so fast that they create a huge amount of noise. However, I've yet to experience a hard drive failure, unlike when I was using a regular full tower case as my UnRaid server. Even though it ran 4 120mm fans, I had 4 or 5 HDD failures in a couple of years.
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I was really hoping for an upgraded Panasonic 8000 this year. I like smoothscreen a lot. I sit 7' from my 120" Screen and my Epson 5010 shows a lot of SDE there. I also think the concept of Panasonic's 3D Motion Remaster sounds really good (using FI to account for motion of an object as each eye is blanked out). I would like to see how The Hobbit 3D compares to the Epson. I don't have any ghosting issues on my 5010, and 3D is still looking good with 3500 hours on the lamp. I use a high gain Vutec Silverstar and I think that is the way to go for 3D. This is another thing I like with the panny; It has the brightness of the Epson, but also has some much dimmer modes. The dimmest mode on my epson is pretty blinding with a new bulb on this screen. I still run 2D in eco mode with 3500 hours. That is my biggest issue with all the other projectors in the shootout. Their dimmest modes are too bright, or their 3D brightness is too low. Also, both ProjectorReviews and ProjectorCentral compared them (well, the 8000 and Epson 5020) much more evenly with the Epson having better black levels and the Panny getting the nod for 3D.
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Hello zombie,

I still got the epson tw9000 and thinking about an upgrade this year..

2d and 3d are both important..

Is it better for me to go with the epson tw9200 or the sony hw55?

Or can i go with the Panasonic 8000 because off the smoothscreen.

I see some SDE om my epson tw9000 because i sit upclose...

And wich has the less ghosting?

Best regards
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^I'd take the Sony if you can afford it. I got the RS46 because I needed Lens Memory for my 2.35 screen. If I had a 16:9 screen, I would have purchased the Sony (good 3D and contrast, low input lag, Reality Creation, etc). Pretty sure that's the consensus on here as well.
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Hello zombie,

I still got the epson tw9000 and thinking about an upgrade this year..

2d and 3d are both important..

Is it better for me to go with the epson tw9200 or the sony hw55?

Or can i go with the Panasonic 8000 because off the smoothscreen.

I see some SDE om my epson tw9000 because i sit upclose...

And wich has the less ghosting?

Best regards

Sent you a PM. smile.gif
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you are right,The 3D flicker is something that bothers me quite a bit, but I did not find it objectionable on the 3020e.

paXMwh

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Here's another review of the 5030.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_home_cinema_5030ub_projector_review.htm?em

The Epson is tough competition at it's price point.
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The Epson is tough competition at it's price point.


And it sounds like they got the input latency under a bit better control with fast processing.  I had written off the xx20 models, but if the xx30s are coming in sub-40ms, I might reconsider them.

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Off topic:

HDD's typically don't use a lot of power, but they run hot if crowded into a case with poor cooling. That's a sure-fire way to fry them. A case that allows you to route cables behind the motherboard instead of in front can help keep the interior cool and tidy. And as Dreamliner says, pick a power supply that's well reviewed. 5 drives is nothing for a decent power supply and well cooled case. My SuperMicro server has 24 drives, with dual (but redundant) power supplies. It screams like a Banshee but drive temps never top 30 degrees C, and many are in the low 20's or teens. I'm building a small room for the server that will double up as a mini recording booth when I need it. Even in the basement, the cooling fans spin so fast that they create a huge amount of noise. However, I've yet to experience a hard drive failure, unlike when I was using a regular full tower case as my UnRaid server. Even though it ran 4 120mm fans, I had 4 or 5 HDD failures in a couple of years.
Thanks for the input, but there's no problem with cooling. I have Fractal Design Define XL (Full Tower) and a FSP Aurum Pro AU-1000Pro PSU. The motherboard might be at fault but it's got rave reviews - AsRock Extreme 6/Tb4.
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