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post #5971 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

So basically it boils down to:
1. JVC RS57 w/ HP Screen (but this will kill off-angle performance)
2. Sony VW600 w/ Unity Gain Screen or StudioTek 130 for a little extra gain (would be my personal choice if I had the budget) But i don't really care about 3D as I hate wearing two pair of glasses.

Those projectors are really far apart in price though. The 600 is double the 57 so there's that.

Also, if I wasn't planning on upgrading anytime soon and had the cash, I would get the 600 so I'm futureproof on 4K, especially on that size screen.

Personally, I would get a used model at this point for less money and save and upgrade to something really really nice and 4K in a few years.


I would not consider a unity gain screen since he has "some ambient light from dining room/kitchen". A unity gain white screen needs a very well light controlled HT. I am not saying the HP is the right choice either (maybe, maybe not). Need more details on his setup (walls, ceiling, floor color/covering, seating arrangement, etc.........).
post #5972 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

So basically it boils down to:
1. JVC RS57 w/ HP Screen (but this will kill off-angle performance)
2. Sony VW600 w/ Unity Gain Screen or StudioTek 130 for a little extra gain (would be my personal choice if I had the budget) But i don't really care about 3D as I hate wearing two pair of glasses.

Those projectors are really far apart in price though. The 600 is double the 57 so there's that.

Also, if I wasn't planning on upgrading anytime soon and had the cash, I would get the 600 so I'm futureproof on 4K, especially on that size screen.

Personally, I would get a used model at this point for less money and save and upgrade to something really really nice and 4K in a few years.

The HP does not 'kill off-angle performance'. With the HP2.4, it is quite OK for all viewers within the L and R edges of the screen. Further off it is not as bright, but still uniform. He should get 4 HP samples from Dalite to put up at the 4 corners of his proposed screen, and see how it looks.
post #5973 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I would not consider a unity gain screen since he has "some ambient light from dining room/kitchen". A unity gain white screen needs a very well light controlled HT. I am not saying the HP is the right choice either (maybe, maybe not). Need more details on his setup (walls, ceiling, floor color/covering, seating arrangement, etc.........).

Yeah, he really needs to take a pic of his room and post it.

I'm still waiting for my new home to be complete so I currently just project onto a textured tan painted wall with white ceiling and light carpet. It's about the worse case scenario for two-piece projection and it looks fantastic to me, minus the whites. I can't imagine how much better it's going to look in my new home on a nice screen. I'm just not sure which screen to get yet for myself, and I've been looking at samples for months.

- My multi-purpose living/theater room in my new home will have medium brown walls, dark multi-colored fibers for carpet, fiber-optic star tray ceiling (black) but the surround is white (walls to tray is ~28" all white).
- I have two 16' center-open motorized black velvet curtains that cover both the side wall to the left of the screen and the entrance to the living room from the kitchen - when needed. And even when the curtains are open, they will cover the first 3' out from the screen on either side so that helps during the day as well.
- Black curtains across the two windows behind the seating.
- Screen wall will be black, or black velvet if I can convince the wife. biggrin.gif
- All black furniture.

As you can see, I've done about as much as I can to make my living/theater room able to be blacked out - when needed. Not sure if that's good enough for the unity gain screens though, or if I should go for the StudioTek 130 or something else entirely.

My choices thus far:
1. Stewart StudioTek 100
2. Stewart StudioTek 130
3. EluneVision Reference Studio 4K 100
4. Da-Lite JKP Affinity .9

I swear my hair is greying and thinning trying to make this decision.
Edited by Mr. Hatcher - 1/22/14 at 11:35am
post #5974 of 8005
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

The HP does not 'kill off-angle performance'. With the HP2.4, it is quite OK for all viewers within the L and R edges of the screen. Further off it is not as bright, but still uniform. He should get 4 HP samples from Dalite to put up at the 4 corners of his proposed screen, and see how it looks.

Agreed, he will never know until he samples it in 'his' viewing env.
post #5975 of 8005
I am really considering the Elunevision 2.4 screen, I already have the 1 gain screen so I should be able to swap material in the frame. Being able to clamp the iris all the way down on my X500 would be great. What I am struggling with is this off angle talk. As it is now I do a lot of movie watching laying down on my couch, it is the same width of the screen. So there is no viewing past the edge of the screen. So I should have no issues right? Basically the screen is the width of the room.
post #5976 of 8005
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Originally Posted by cardoski View Post

I am really considering the Elunevision 2.4 screen, I already have the 1 gain screen so I should be able to swap material in the frame. Being able to clamp the iris all the way down on my X500 would be great. What I am struggling with is this off angle talk. As it is now I do a lot of movie watching laying down on my couch, it is the same width of the screen. So there is no viewing past the edge of the screen. So I should have no issues right? Basically the screen is the width of the room.

See if you can get a screen sample. I just requested samples of the 1 and 2.4 gain materials direct from EluneVision.

- Da-Lite HP 2.4 = 30 degree viewing angle
- EluneVision Reference PureBright 4K 240 = 100 degree viewing angle

If the numbers are correct, both have the same specified gain, but the EluneVision has a much larger viewing cone. These numbers were pulled from the manufacturers websites.
post #5977 of 8005
I have the JVC X700/RS57 and a Dalite 115" diagonal 2.35 2.4 HP screen and you don't have to worry about the viewing cone with this material unless you maybe are sitting 5 feet or more outside the boundaries of screen. Years ago I had the 2.8 HP and you could easily have viewing cone issues with this material as viewing cone is much smaller. I wish da-lite still made the 2.8 HP material as it is much brighter than the 2.4 material as if the 2.4 HP is actually rated at 2.4 the 2.8 HP would rate at a 4.0, it's that much brighter. Also, with the 2.4 HP and the new JVC's the dynamic iris closes so that when image goes black the displayed image appears to black out. This wasn't the case with previous JVC's with the HP material but is now with the dynamic iris so you get brighter whites and still great contrast.

Mike
post #5978 of 8005
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Originally Posted by cardoski View Post

I am really considering the Elunevision 2.4 screen, I already have the 1 gain screen so I should be able to swap material in the frame. Being able to clamp the iris all the way down on my X500 would be great. What I am struggling with is this off angle talk. As it is now I do a lot of movie watching laying down on my couch, it is the same width of the screen. So there is no viewing past the edge of the screen. So I should have no issues right? Basically the screen is the width of the room.

Also, I've demoed the Screen Innovations Black Diamond 2.7 and it is really nice and bright with excellent viewing angles. But...there's always a but...it exhibits the sparkles pretty badly...unfortunately. And black levels take a slight hit. But it sure does look like a giant LED TV on the wall other than that. You really need like two or three screens to get the best of everything. And two or three projectors.
post #5979 of 8005
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

I have the JVC X700/RS57 and a Dalite 115" diagonal 2.35 2.4 HP screen and you don't have to worry about the viewing cone with this material unless you maybe are sitting 5 feet or more outside the boundaries of screen. Years ago I had the 2.8 HP and you could easily have viewing cone issues with this material as viewing cone is much smaller. I wish da-lite still made the 2.8 HP material as it is much brighter than the 2.4 material as if the 2.4 HP is actually rated at 2.4 the 2.8 HP would rate at a 4.0, it's that much brighter. Also, with the 2.4 HP and the new JVC's the dynamic iris closes so that when image goes black the displayed image appears to black out. This wasn't the case with previous JVC's with the HP material but is now with the dynamic iris so you get brighter whites and still great contrast.

Mike


I noticed the same thing when comparing my 2.4 and 2.8 samples a little over three years ago (I literally got one of the very last 2.8 HP screens!). In my setup and in my center seat, the 2.8 had a significant brightness advantage over the 2.4. As I moved toward the extreme ends of my couch, the 2.8 dropped off in brightness quicker than the 2.4, but was still slightly brighter even in the extreme end seats. If my seating had been any wider though, the 2.4 would have been brighter on the extreme ends since it retained its brightness much better vs the 2.8. If I stood with my head against the side walls (where nobody sits in my room obviously), the 2.4 was clearly brighter by that point. I can see people preferring one over the other depending on the room/seating. Both were MUCH brighter than my ST130 G3. I wish they still made the 2.8 though and it seems especially strange that this material was discontinued right as 3d was trying to gain steam. confused.gif Maybe some of the materials needed for the coating could no longer be had or maybe it became too expensive to produce for some reason? Who knows (does anyone know?).
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

You really need like two or three screens to get the best of everything. And two or three projectors.

So true. No perfect screen or projector and they all have tradeoffs vs another. This is why many of us go to multiple projectors and/or screens to get everything we want.
Edited by Toe - 1/22/14 at 1:51pm
post #5980 of 8005
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Originally Posted by cardoski View Post

I am really considering the Elunevision 2.4 screen, I already have the 1 gain screen so I should be able to swap material in the frame. Being able to clamp the iris all the way down on my X500 would be great. What I am struggling with is this off angle talk. As it is now I do a lot of movie watching laying down on my couch, it is the same width of the screen. So there is no viewing past the edge of the screen. So I should have no issues right? Basically the screen is the width of the room.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

See if you can get a screen sample. I just requested samples of the 1 and 2.4 gain materials direct from EluneVision.

- Da-Lite HP 2.4 = 30 degree viewing angle
- EluneVision Reference PureBright 4K 240 = 100 degree viewing angle

If the numbers are correct, both have the same specified gain, but the EluneVision has a much larger viewing cone. These numbers were pulled from the manufacturers websites.

Just received a call from EluneVision. I had to pay $10 for samples to be shipped, but that's understandable since they're located in Canada and I'm in Florida. That was some really fast customer service right there. biggrin.gif
post #5981 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

So true. No perfect screen or projector and they all have tradeoffs vs another. This is why many of us go to multiple projectors and/or screens to get everything we want.

Yup, it really boils down to getting the best pj/screen combo for your initial viewing env, then slowly build upon that with more projectors and screens. Ughhh, this is an expensive hobby! I sure hope I can afford a 120" 4K or 8K OLED with passive 3D before I die, LOL! That would be eek.gif!
post #5982 of 8005
Zombie,

I remember at some point you recommended some universal 3d glasses for the jvc Rs55/65 projectors. Where they the xpand 103s or the 105s?

Thanks,

Christian
post #5983 of 8005
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gonzalc3 View Post

Zombie,

I remember at some point you recommended some universal 3d glasses for the jvc Rs55/65 projectors. Where they the xpand 103s or the 105s?

Thanks,

Christian

hi, originally it was the Monster Vision 3D glasses but I haven't had a great experience with them on the new JVC's, so i'm a bit hesitant to recommend without someone else verifying what I was seeing. They do work fine though on the 55/65.

I would check out the Xpand 105's, these are nice glasses that work with the JVC RF emitter. it also opens your options to some less expensive RF glasses. The Monster Vision 3D transmitter is proprietary so you're locked into only a few choices.
post #5984 of 8005
Zombie,

The rs65 comes with an ir emitter and two pairs of glasses. So ideally i would want an ir/rf 3d glasses, as I think the future is with rf/blutooth technology...
post #5985 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

See if you can get a screen sample. I just requested samples of the 1 and 2.4 gain materials direct from EluneVision.

- Da-Lite HP 2.4 = 30 degree viewing angle
- EluneVision Reference PureBright 4K 240 = 100 degree viewing angle

If the numbers are correct, both have the same specified gain, but the EluneVision has a much larger viewing cone. These numbers were pulled from the manufacturers websites.

I'm calling BS on EluneVision's numbers there. A few months back they didn't claim a 100 degree viewing angle, it was the same as Da-lite's HP. I think they increased it to 100 because the gain is +1 when within 50 degrees either way, which is the same as the HP.

I had samples of EluneVisions PureBright and Da-lite's HP and they are identical as far as I could tell. I ended up buying the HP because EluneVision didn't give me the best vibe when dealing with them via email (I asked for samples, they charged me $45 for a purebright and studio 4k sample, then I emailed eastporters not knowing they were the same people and asked for samples, I was told $10 each sample but noticed the response was from the same person, they also refused to send out samples for anything put their "reference" line even though I offered to pay).
post #5986 of 8005
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

I'm calling BS on EluneVision's numbers there. A few months back they didn't claim a 100 degree viewing angle, it was the same as Da-lite's HP. I think they increased it to 100 because the gain is +1 when within 50 degrees either way, which is the same as the HP.

I had samples of EluneVisions PureBright and Da-lite's HP and they are identical as far as I could tell. I ended up buying the HP because EluneVision didn't give me the best vibe when dealing with them via email (I asked for samples, they charged me $45 for a purebright and studio 4k sample, then I emailed eastporters not knowing they were the same people and asked for samples, I was told $10 each sample but noticed the response was from the same person, they also refused to send out samples for anything put their "reference" line even though I offered to pay).

That's strange, because I just had a very pleasant experience with an EluneVision rep. They did charge $10 for samples to be shipped to Florida though, which is understandable. But, they said if I purchased a screen from them, that $10 would go towards the screen. Guess you just had a bad experience and I had a good one. Sorry.

And I would take all of those numbers with a grain of salt until I saw them in person. That's why I order samples and compare/contrast all of them at the same time.
post #5987 of 8005
For anyone considering the HP screen,

I have a pull-down 2.8 gain screen (been through 3 projectors with me so far) and here's what I'd say:

* one nice thing seldom mentioned about the HP screen is the complete lack of "sparkle" or grain-structure to the screen, which IMO is a big plus for 1080p + video
* Viewers outside the edges (left/right) of the screen get a dimmer picture that IMO can be bothersome. The screen is best for home-theaters where everyone is seated in rows in front of the screen width... not way off to the side.
* The image is MUCH BRIGHTER the closer your eyes are to the angle of the projector source... so table-mount (like coffee table in front of you) or shelf-mount behind your head just above your head is ideal. If you ceiling mount the PJ way up high, you'll be throwing away most of your brightness for no good reason and an angular reflective screen would probably suit you better
* the retro-reflective screen also means less light scatter on the walls and ceiling which can be a good thing, even in a light-controled HT room as it helps boost contrast by avoiding stray light reflected back on the screen.
* the HP screen would probably look its best with a dark back-wall on your HT room so you don't re-reflect light back at the screen from a bright wall on the back of the room.

thanks!

dave smile.gif
post #5988 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

That's strange, because I just had a very pleasant experience with an EluneVision rep. They did charge $10 for samples to be shipped to Florida though, which is understandable. But, they said if I purchased a screen from them, that $10 would go towards the screen. Guess you just had a bad experience and I had a good one. Sorry.

And I would take all of those numbers with a grain of salt until I saw them in person. That's why I order samples and compare/contrast all of them at the same time.

The fact that they charged you $10 for samples and me $45 for samples adds to the shadiness for me. It's like the guy I spoke to was a little hard up for cash at the moment so he decided he wanted to charge more, but when I emailed him through eastporters he was back to their normal $10/sample.
post #5989 of 8005
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

The fact that they charged you $10 for samples and me $45 for samples adds to the shadiness for me. It's like the guy I spoke to was a little hard up for cash at the moment so he decided he wanted to charge more, but when I emailed him through eastporters he was back to their normal $10/sample.

That does seem pretty shady. I would hope "that" guy is not employed there anymore if he was pocketing the extra coin. Or maybe their customer service has just improved, which is what I would prefer to be led to believe. I'll know soon enough how their screens compare to Stewart's StudioTek 130 G3. At least as much a story as samples can tell. smile.gif

I just don't think I will need an HP screen since I have a Sony HW55ES that is plenty bright even with the lights on (and not can lights, I mean chandelier lights from the kitchen and an overhead globe light with 8 x 100w bulbs total). I can still clearly see the picture just fine with the pj set to TV mode, albeit with somewhat compromised blacks. At nighttime with all the lights off and just projecting on the wall (no screen) set in Reference mode, the PQ is really excellent (the best I've ever seen from any display technology other than OLED). I bet it's going to be really awesome in my new home with much better light control. I'm still going to test the samples to see if I can be swayed from the Stewart StudioTek 130 G3. Though it's gonna be a tough sell because that screen sample looks really really nice.

Plus, once all projectors are using LED bulbs and are brighter, no one should really need an HP screen unless it's for commercial buildings or a room full of windows which isn't optimized for any display tech, IMO. Well maybe OLED if they have a really good moth eye anti-glare screen coating.
post #5990 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

That does seem pretty shady. I would hope "that" guy is not employed there anymore if he was pocketing the extra coin. Or maybe their customer service has just improved, which is what I would prefer to be led to believe. I'll know soon enough how their screens compare to Stewart's StudioTek 130 G3. At least as much a story as samples can tell. smile.gif

I just don't think I will need an HP screen since I have a Sony HW55ES that is plenty bright even with the lights on (and not can lights, I mean chandelier lights from the kitchen and an overhead globe light with 8 x 100w bulbs total). I can still clearly see the picture just fine with the pj set to TV mode, albeit with somewhat compromised blacks. At nighttime with all the lights off and just projecting on the wall (no screen) set in Reference mode, the PQ is really excellent (the best I've ever seen from any display technology other than OLED). I bet it's going to be really awesome in my new home with much better light control. I'm still going to test the samples to see if I can be swayed from the Stewart StudioTek 130 G3. Though it's gonna be a tough sell because that screen sample looks really really nice.

Plus, once all projectors are using LED bulbs and are brighter, no one should really need an HP screen unless it's for commercial buildings or a room full of windows which isn't optimized for any display tech, IMO. Well maybe OLED if they have a really good moth eye anti-glare screen coating.


The ST130 G3 is an awesome screen and I used one for 4 years before upgrading to my 2.8 HP. I am curious to hear your thoughts on the 130 vs the EluneVision.
post #5991 of 8005
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

For anyone considering the HP screen,

I have a pull-down 2.8 gain screen (been through 3 projectors with me so far) and here's what I'd say:

* one nice thing seldom mentioned about the HP screen is the complete lack of "sparkle" or grain-structure to the screen, which IMO is a big plus for 1080p + video
* Viewers outside the edges (left/right) of the screen get a dimmer picture that IMO can be bothersome. The screen is best for home-theaters where everyone is seated in rows in front of the screen width... not way off to the side.
* The image is MUCH BRIGHTER the closer your eyes are to the angle of the projector source... so table-mount (like coffee table in front of you) or shelf-mount behind your head just above your head is ideal. If you ceiling mount the PJ way up high, you'll be throwing away most of your brightness for no good reason and an angular reflective screen would probably suit you better
* the retro-reflective screen also means less light scatter on the walls and ceiling which can be a good thing, even in a light-controled HT room as it helps boost contrast by avoiding stray light reflected back on the screen.
* the HP screen would probably look its best with a dark back-wall on your HT room so you don't re-reflect light back at the screen from a bright wall on the back of the room.

thanks!

dave smile.gif

Very good summary! I had an HP2.8, and was very satisfied with it, but wanted to go to a larger screen and the HP2.4 was all that was available then. I think I like it even better (marginally) than the 2.8: somewhat wider viewing angle, and I think (hard to be sure, though) that it is even smoother than the 2.8 (which itself was still very good, as you note above).
post #5992 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

The ST130 G3 is an awesome screen and I used one for 4 years before upgrading to my 2.8 HP. I am curious to hear your thoughts on the 130 vs the EluneVision.

Well you wont have to wait much longer:

- Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 -- the only sample still stuck to my wall smile.gif
- Stewart FireHawk G3 (G4 is out now) -- good contrast with lights on, but whites were not white, minor sparklies, off axis not good
- Stewart FireHawk SST -- didn't care for it, whites were not white
- Stewart GrayHawk RS G3 -- didn't care for it, too dim and whites were not white
- Stewart GrayMatte 70 -- didn't care for it, too dim and whites were not white
- DNP Supernova 23-23 -- good contrast with lights on, but whites were not white, no sparklies, off axis is really good (I could use this as daytime only screen) smile.gif
- DNP Supernova 08-85 -- great contrast with lights on, but way too dim and again...whites were not white (DNP recommends a 3500 lumen pj for this screen)
- SI Black Diamond G3 .8 -- great contrast with lights on, but way too dim and again...whites were not white, some sparklies (need a bright pj for this one as well)
- SI Black Diamond G3 1.4 -- great contrast with lights on and off, but too many sparklies
- SI Black Diamond G3 2.7 -- uber bright like an LED TV, blacks take a hit, but way way way too many sparklies, off axis is really good
- SI Pure White 1.3 -- pretty good, no sparklies here, but the whites still didn't look as white as the StudioTek 130
- SI Slate 1.2 -- decent contrast, but whites still not white
- EluneVision Reference Studio 4K 100 -- TBD
- EluneVision Reference PureBright 4K 240 -- TBD
Edited by Mr. Hatcher - 1/22/14 at 4:49pm
post #5993 of 8005
Look forward to hearing your impression on the Elunevision 2.4 and how the Elunevison 1.0 compares to the Stewart Studiotek 130 G3.
post #5994 of 8005
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post



Not Zombie, but here's my advice.

Take a pic of your viewing env and post it so we can see what your color scheme and layout is, in order for us to make accurate recommendations.

Personally, with that screen size (135" diag) I would get the 500es with a unity gain screen. That 2.4 gain screen is probably going to have horrible viewing angles, hot spotting, and may exhibit a sheen or sparkly texture. I haven't seen that particular screen before, but based on others I have seen, I can't see it faring much better. I've been demoing screens and samples for around 3 months now and even though the white screens with high gain do look brighter/better during the day, and the grey ambient light rejecting screens look nice during the day by way of better contrast, they all exhibit some negative side effects in the way they display colors, skin tones, whites, etc... and can't hold a candle to a good unity gain screen with the lights off.

If you can't afford two screens (one for ambient light daytime viewing and one for reference nighttime viewing, then I would get the one for nighttime viewing since that's when you'll be enjoying your projector the most. I'm most likely going to get the Stewart StudioTek 100 in 120" size for my Sony HW55ES and then get another ambient light rejecting screen in a couple years for daytime viewing.

If you're unsure, request some screen samples from the manufacturers and have your dealer put on a demo for you (lights on and off). You can't tell exactly what the picture will look like with small samples, but you can get an idea. I've stared at my samples for months and months now and finally realized that to my eyes, the StudioTek 100 screen sample looks the most natural and is the overall best screen I've demoed for nighttime viewing (granted you will need some light control with that screen to minimize reflections). I have two 16' black velvet motorized curtains that turn my living room into a theater room during the day or night so I'm covered in that department.

The Stewart Firehawk G4 or DNP Supernova 23-23 was the best for viewing in ambient light, IMO. If you don't have any light control and light reflection control and/or a dark paint scheme, you may want something like the Stewart StudioTek 130 or a HP screen like your dealer suggested. Just know that the HP screen is going to exhibit negative side effects. You just have to demo and see what you can and can't live with.

Hope this helps and gets you going in the right direction...and didn't confuse you much. Just remember, there's no perfect two-piece projection setup for the best of everything. You need one or two projectors and two screens unless your viewing env is perfect. Until 4K OLED is here in super large screen sizes and is "affordable" this is what we have to work with. And even then, I'm sure there will be some negatives, but not many. wink.gif

Thanks so much for your input Mr. Hatcher... Also to all that have had their input on my behalf. Much appreciated!!

I will attempt to take a pic over the weekend and post it...I did forget to mention that the Screen will be a 2.35.1 - W-128" x H-59".

Your suggestion of screen samples definitely makes lots of sense. My only problem is that i wish i had the projectors to test it with.frown.gif I will have to make that first step to decide whether it will be the X700 or 500es...then go one with the samples. Of course one good projector and one great screen would be ideal...but i do agree with you that having 2 of each would solve all issues except of course the wife's silent treatment for the next 3 months afterwards. In any case...will take all of the above in consideration...Wish me luck!!! Tks !!

post #5995 of 8005
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet View Post

* Viewers outside the edges (left/right) of the screen get a dimmer picture that IMO can be bothersome. The screen is best for home-theaters where everyone is seated in rows in front of the screen width... not way off to the side.

Depends also on seating distance; the further back at any given distance from the centerline, the smaller the angle and the higher the gain.
post #5996 of 8005
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Originally Posted by DaVinci2 View Post

Thanks so much for your input Mr. Hatcher... Also to all that have had their input on my behalf. Much appreciated!!
I will attempt to take a pic over the weekend and post it...I did forget to mention that the Screen will be a 2.35.1 - W-128" x H-59".
Your suggestion of screen samples definitely makes lots of sense. My only problem is that i wish i had the projectors to test it with.frown.gif  I will have to make that first step to decide whether it will be the X700 or 500es...then go one with the samples. Of course one good projector and one great screen would be ideal...but i do agree with you that having 2 of each would solve all issues except of course the wife's silent treatment for the next 3 months afterwards. In any case...will take all of the above in consideration...Wish me luck!!! Tks !!

No prob at all, you're welcome DaVinci2. I'm no expert here, but I've read a lot and demoed as much as possible so hopefully my advice can at least provide some insight and/or point you in the right direction.

Though a picture of your viewing env will allow us, especially the experts here, to provide you with more accurate advice.

If you don't plan on fixing your room up to better suit two-piece projection, you will probably fair better with the Sony 500/600es since it's quite a bit brighter than the RS57/X700. Though the HW55 is pretty awesome as well and is rated the same brightness as the 500/600es (1700 lumens). That would save you some serious $$$ until there's more 4K content to enjoy in a couple years. Or even the new Epson 5030/6030 (2400 lumens) is getting good reviews and Zombie said it's the best non-DLP 3D he's seen. Personally, I would go with one of those if you need brightness. And upgrade to a 4K LED powered pj in a few years. The most important thing is to get a good screen that will last for many years. Happy hunting! biggrin.gif
post #5997 of 8005
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Very good summary! I had an HP2.8, and was very satisfied with it, but wanted to go to a larger screen and the HP2.4 was all that was available then. I think I like it even better (marginally) than the 2.8: somewhat wider viewing angle, and I think (hard to be sure, though) that it is even smoother than the 2.8 (which itself was still very good, as you note above).

I agree. I was really disappointed when I sold my original 2.8 screen and had to purchase a 2.4 gain screen (not only was the picture brighter but since the material was thicker it also felt more durable which might affect the longevity of the material since I have a Model C pull down screen). However, the viewing angles are quite a bit better IMO. I could simply move my head to the side on the 2.6 material and I could see a brightness change. I've never noticed this with the 2.4 material and only the two center seats in the front/back were brighter in my theater.
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That does seem pretty shady. I would hope "that" guy is not employed there anymore if he was pocketing the extra coin. Or maybe their customer service has just improved, which is what I would prefer to be led to believe. I'll know soon enough how their screens compare to Stewart's StudioTek 130 G3. At least as much a story as samples can tell. smile.gif

I just don't think I will need an HP screen since I have a Sony HW55ES that is plenty bright even with the lights on (and not can lights, I mean chandelier lights from the kitchen and an overhead globe light with 8 x 100w bulbs total). I can still clearly see the picture just fine with the pj set to TV mode, albeit with somewhat compromised blacks. At nighttime with all the lights off and just projecting on the wall (no screen) set in Reference mode, the PQ is really excellent (the best I've ever seen from any display technology other than OLED). I bet it's going to be really awesome in my new home with much better light control. I'm still going to test the samples to see if I can be swayed from the Stewart StudioTek 130 G3. Though it's gonna be a tough sell because that screen sample looks really really nice.

Plus, once all projectors are using LED bulbs and are brighter, no one should really need an HP screen unless it's for commercial buildings or a room full of windows which isn't optimized for any display tech, IMO. Well maybe OLED if they have a really good moth eye anti-glare screen coating.

Keep in mind that the bulb will dim noticeably after 100 or so hours.
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Originally Posted by baloo_btru View Post

Keep in mind that the bulb will dim noticeably after 100 or so hours.

I have 415 hrs on my Sony HW55ES bulb and I haven't noticed a difference. But my bulbs are rated @ 5000 hours. Not saying I wont eventually see a difference, but I haven't as of yet. I can't wait for LED light engines to be more common, efficient, and brighter.

Definitely a good point to bring up, but not one I would personally let justify my screen choice. I would buy a new bulb every 1000 hours just to have a good reference grade screen for reference grade PQ.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

I have 415 hrs on my Sony HW55ES bulb and I haven't noticed a difference. But my bulbs are rated @ 5000 hours. Not saying I wont eventually see a difference, but I haven't as of yet. I can't wait for LED light engines to be more common, efficient, and brighter.

Definitely a good point to bring up, but not one I would personally let justify my screen choice. I would buy a new bulb every 1000 hours just to have a good reference grade screen for reference grade PQ.
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I agree with you. The bulb on my hw50 definitely got dimmer after the first hundred hours or so. I noticed it bc i was used to playing video games with the lights on, but all of a sudden i needed to dim the lights to get a better picture. Its still more than acceptable, and from what I understand should be very gradual dimming from here on out.

Perhaps the new bulbs are that much better?

But yeah - I was planning on having to buy a new bulb every thousand hours or so, but in the hw50 thread it seems that won't be necessary, which is great.
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