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And yet a black diamond screen still suffers greatly from an excess of ambient light

Yes, because there's no getting around the fact that the job of a FP screen is to reflect light; an emmissive display is not saddled with that requirement and you can be sure their mfgr's know that and try to make them as absorptive of incoming light as possible.
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hmm


Some time ago, I compared the X5/ RS50 with the 95ES and if we look at the native C/R on/off numbers ( probely something like 15K - 20K on the Sony compared to the JVC´s 25K - 35K ) but the Sony has higher Ansi / better intra screne contrast then the JVC.

And yes, the JVC looked flat in comparison smile.gif ( and NOT allmost twice as good - more like 5 % - 10 % less good ,IMO - so folks, you can laugh now wink.gif ) the Sony did have more "pop" in the picture even without being more bright ! ......why ?


So I belive that stanger89 has a point in, that its more complicated ( and a combination off more things,) then just the on / off CR or ansi and probely much depending on the combination in scenes with 1% - 40 % image Average Luminance.

dj


EDIT or adding smile.gif:

BTW. just to say - its not to dismiss the X5, it looked very good in generel, and would not have been unhappy to have owned it.
Edited by d.j. - 2/21/14 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

hmm


Some time ago, I compared the X5/ RS50 with the 95ES and if we look at the native C/R on/off numbers ( probely something like 15K - 20K on the Sony compared to the JVC´s 25K - 35K ) but the Sony has higher Ansi / better intra screne contrast then the JVC.

And yes, the JVC looked flat in comparison smile.gif ( and NOT allmost twice as good - more like 5 % - 10 % less good ,IMO - so folks, you can laugh now wink.gif ) the Sony did have more "pop" in the picture even without being more bright ! ......why ?


So I belive that stanger89 has a point in, that its more complicated ( and a combination off more things,) then just the on / off CR or ansi and probely much depending on the combination in scenes with 1% - 40 % image Average Luminance.

dj

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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

hmm


Some time ago, I compared the X5/ RS50 with the 95ES and if we look at the native C/R on/off numbers ( probely something like 15K - 20K on the Sony compared to the JVC´s 25K - 35K ) but the Sony has higher Ansi / better intra screne contrast then the JVC.

And yes, the JVC looked flat in comparison smile.gif ( and NOT allmost twice as good - more like 5 % - 10 % less good ,IMO - so folks, you can laugh now wink.gif ) the Sony did have more "pop" in the picture even without being more bright ! ......why ?


So I belive that stanger89 has a point in, that its more complicated ( and a combination off more things,) then just the on / off CR or ansi and probely much depending on the combination in scenes with 1% - 40 % image Average Luminance.

dj

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Originally Posted by Andreas21 View Post

+1

That's what I would expect as well when watching certain content. That's why I can't wait for OLED, CLED, or better yet QLED to get here. Hopefully I'll have a 120" QLED screen hanging on my wall one day with infinite ANSI & full on/off CR. eek.gif
Edited by Mr. Hatcher - 2/20/14 at 4:43pm
post #6695 of 8048
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

So I belive that stanger89 has a point in, that its more complicated ( and a combination off more things,) then just the on / off CR or ansi ...
Yep, it can depend on quite a bit of stuff. I did the same kind of comparison with a VW85 IIRC and a JVC of similar timeframe and found largely the opposite even though the VW85 measured higher ANSI CR. It was suprising to both of us looking at things as we were even looking at high detail city scenes where we expected the Sony to do well. These things can depend on stuff like color too and there it can be hard to get 2 projectors showing the same colors even when they seem to measure close. Although maybe this has gotten better with better calibration tools.

Besides colors there are things like the contrast a display can do with say 2 pixel wide white lines alternating with 2 pixel wide black. Neither ANSI CR nor on/off CR really tells you what will happen there, although there can be some correlation to ANSI CR (or not much correlation). This a high resolution MTF.

--Darin
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

Yep, it can depend on quite a bit of stuff. I did the same kind of comparison with a VW85 IIRC and a JVC of similar timeframe and found largely the opposite even though the VW85 measured higher ANSI CR. It was suprising to both of us looking at things as we were even looking at high detail city scenes where we expected the Sony to do well. These things can depend on stuff like color too and there it can be hard to get 2 projectors showing the same colors even when they seem to measure close. Although maybe this has gotten better with better calibration tools.

Besides colors there are things like the contrast a display can do with say 2 pixel wide white lines alternating with 2 pixel wide black. Neither ANSI CR nor on/off CR really tells you what will happen there, although there can be some correlation to ANSI CR (or not much correlation). This a high resolution MTF.

--Darin


Agree, and as added to my post, it was not to dismiss the X5 ( it looked very good in generel ) or on/off CR measurrement, but more to say, that the on/off CR is not the only "number" to look at, and that this one "number" dont tell the quality off a projector / picture alone, far from - IMO, but as Price levels biggrin.gif - The higher we get, the less the gain smile.gif but Again that dosnt mean we cant benefit from even higher "numbers" like on the OLED´s

dj
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How many have checked out Gravity in 3D? Just watched, 3D was done very well IMO.
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How many have checked out Gravity in 3D? Just watched, 3D was done very well IMO.
very appropriately done.
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How many have checked out Gravity in 3D? Just watched, 3D was done very well IMO.

Yes I watched it in 3d just the other night on my HW55ES and I really enjoyed it. Pretty intense at times and great special effects. Subject matter lends itself well to 3D.
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Yes I watched it in 3d just the other night on my HW55ES and I really enjoyed it. Pretty intense at times and great special effects. Subject matter lends itself well to 3D.

I kind of put it off for a couple of days because some said the storyline wasn't that great. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I just upgrade my speakers to Ascend Acoustics 340s and it audio was great, along with my 3 subs. It was the kind of movie that put me in the movie
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How many have checked out Gravity in 3D? Just watched, 3D was done very well IMO.

 

Can 3D movies be rented from Redbox or something similar or is one forced to buy 3D movies? 

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Can 3D movies be rented from Redbox or something similar or is one forced to buy 3D movies? 

I don't believe Redbox does 3D. We have a local store that rents 3D BD's.
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If your interested in renting thourh mail 3dblurayrental is also a option highly recommend it
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If your interested in renting thourh mail 3dblurayrental is also a option highly recommend it


I just joined this a week or so ago and so far so good. Not as fast and streamlined as Netflix of course (which is to be expected), but works well enough and is the best way for me to get 3d rentals since no local places have them that I know about. I am on the one out at a time plan which comes to $3.30/rental. Not too bad and much better than buying of course since most movies for me (2d or 3d) are one and done.
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The other plus with 3d blurayrental is thay dont use rental disc so u always get hdaudio they can release bluray on date released. Anyone that likes mettallica shoud check out throu the never in 3d enjoyed this very much
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The other plus with 3d blurayrental is thay dont use rental disc so u always get hdaudio they can release bluray on date released. Anyone that likes mettallica shoud check out throu the never in 3d enjoyed this very much


I enjoyed the Metallica disc as well! cool.gif Solid 3d and excellent audio!
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Family Video and Marcos Pizza here in the St. Louis area rent Blu-ray 3D. Great prices, and they have several more stores opening soon. Apparently, the business model is working well. The pizza delivery driver will even return your movie for you after he drops off the pie. You can order your pizza through a window right in the Family Video store. smile.gif It's a clever partnership. Dish Network also usually has the more popular new 3D titles. It's SbS format, but the quality is decent, although certainly far from Blu-ray quality. I watched Gravity in 3D on Dish the other night.
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Family Video and Marcos Pizza here in the St. Louis area rent Blu-ray 3D. Great prices, and they have several more stores opening soon. Apparently, the business model is working well. The pizza delivery driver will even return your movie for you after he drops off the pie. You can order your pizza through a window right in the Family Video store. smile.gif It's a clever partnership. Dish Network also usually has the more popular new 3D titles. It's SbS format, but the quality is decent, although certainly far from Blu-ray quality. I watched Gravity in 3D on Dish the other night.

Family Video is the local store, I was talking about above. They usually have a nice selection of 2D and 3D movies.
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Family Video is the local store, I was talking about above. They usually have a nice selection of 2D and 3D movies.

Indeed they do as that's where I go. Prices are very good too and a huge $1 section. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Family Video and Marcos Pizza here in the St. Louis area rent Blu-ray 3D. Great prices, and they have several more stores opening soon. Apparently, the business model is working well. The pizza delivery driver will even return your movie for you after he drops off the pie. You can order your pizza through a window right in the Family Video store. smile.gif It's a clever partnership. Dish Network also usually has the more popular new 3D titles. It's SbS format, but the quality is decent, although certainly far from Blu-ray quality. I watched Gravity in 3D on Dish the other night.

That sounds great! Wish I had one close by.
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Family Video and Marcos Pizza here in the St. Louis area rent Blu-ray 3D. Great prices, and they have several more stores opening soon. Apparently, the business model is working well. The pizza delivery driver will even return your movie for you after he drops off the pie. You can order your pizza through a window right in the Family Video store. smile.gif It's a clever partnership. Dish Network also usually has the more popular new 3D titles. It's SbS format, but the quality is decent, although certainly far from Blu-ray quality. I watched Gravity in 3D on Dish the other night.
the last time i was at family video in my area they varly had any blurays my have to stop in and look
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For those interested here are some reviews of several of the projectors talked about in this thread including the new Benq 7500. Just go to the bottom of the first page for a list of projectors and click on the one in which you're interested.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.fwdmagazine.be/fwd/152795/preview-optoma-hd91/&prev=/search?q%3Dhd91%2Breviews%26start%3D20%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1588%26bih%3D769
Edited by Deja Vu - 3/7/14 at 12:15pm
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Why did the traffic on this thread slow down so much over the past couple of weeks? Did everyone move to a new thread that I missed?
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Why did the traffic on this thread slow down so much over the past couple of weeks? Did everyone move to a new thread that I missed?

it's March, there's been non-stop conversation since October.. cool.gif

a number of popular threads have slowed down to the 'regulars' while new owners are off enjoying their new toys bought over x-mas.

I'm still enjoying the various projectors I have here, I like switching them around from time to time as I watch new content. My latest viewing kick is concerts. Peter Gabriel in particular. Live in Athens 1987, Secret World Live and the latest 3D version with the New Blood Orchestra.
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My latest viewing kick is concerts. Peter Gabriel in particular..

A personal favorite artist, I have the PG concert in Milan 2003 recorded from satellite. I would love to see one of these live - such energy and exuberance ...! smile.gif
Edited by WestCDA - 3/7/14 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Family Video and Marcos Pizza here in the St. Louis area rent Blu-ray 3D. Great prices, and they have several more stores opening soon. Apparently, the business model is working well. The pizza delivery driver will even return your movie for you after he drops off the pie. You can order your pizza through a window right in the Family Video store. smile.gif It's a clever partnership. Dish Network also usually has the more popular new 3D titles. It's SbS format, but the quality is decent, although certainly far from Blu-ray quality. I watched Gravity in 3D on Dish the other night.

That's pretty funny until you try the treadmill to lose the weight gain the pizza caused, and you then realize that about 30 minutes of a slow jog on a treadmill is maybe what, about 100 calories burned out of a 3000 calorie pizza.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

it's March, there's been non-stop conversation since October.. cool.gif

a number of popular threads have slowed down to the 'regulars' while new owners are off enjoying their new toys bought over x-mas.

I'm still enjoying the various projectors I have here, I like switching them around from time to time as I watch new content. My latest viewing kick is concerts. Peter Gabriel in particular. Live in Athens 1987, Secret World Live and the latest 3D version with the New Blood Orchestra.

How do you like Live in Athens compared to Secret World? I love that Secret World show, but have not seen Athens yet.

I personally thought the New Blood show was terrible. It just did not work for me at all.
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A personal favorite artist, I have the PG concert in Milan 2003 recorded from satellite. I would love to see one of these live - such energy and exuberance ...! smile.gif

What's a little disconcerting is to watch videos of Peter Gabriel on You Tube when he was with Genesis, then in the 80's on his own and then the new ones. We all age at different rates but time hasn't been kind to PG. Ringo Starr on the other hand, who is 74 this year, looks great. So does John Paul Jones. Paul McCartney for almost 72 still looks pretty good. Keith Richards? Who cares how he looks -- it's amazing he's still alive and kicking. How can this be? biggrin.gif You Tube is great for promotion and getting stuff out there but there's a downside too. Nobody beats father time -- PG still puts on quite a show and that's after a lot of years.
Edited by Deja Vu - 3/8/14 at 2:24pm
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Thread Starter 
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How do you like Live in Athens compared to Secret World? I love that Secret World show, but have not seen Athens yet.

I personally thought the New Blood show was terrible. It just did not work for me at all.

The Athens concert is worth it just for the version of 'In your eyes'... amazing and haunting with Youssou N'Dour's performance.

DTS just featured this song on their 2013 demo disk 9 which is where I heard it first. The sound is excellent considering the time period it was recorded.

I have mixed feelings about the new blood concert, technically it's interesting and I enjoyed seeing this talented orchestra perform his songs.
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