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post #1801 of 4161
12/11/12 at 12:16pm
Maybe avs should extend preorder time since they haven't received final units yet tongue.gif. are we sure US models have the wrong firmware as well?
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post #1802 of 4161
12/11/12 at 12:21pm
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bump to the next page, this is important info on the X35/RS46. We have to wait for more info from JVC US.


Translation from Cine4home:

In the last few weeks we have received several requests from readers wondered who had bought the recently released JVC DLA X35 or see in the show:

Contrary to our first preview results (see below), after which the 3D performance has improved significantly over its predecessor, it is the X35 become dramatically worse, with massive ghosting. If JVC in the series but does not deliver what was achieved in the previous series, or was there a production error?

This issue only affects the X35, but not the big brother X55, X75 or X95. This shows that there may be no fundamental technological problem. It remains only the question of whether there is a serious hardware failure in the series, or pure software.

We have pursued the matter further and directly with JVC contacted. Fortunately, there are clear: Over the firmware of the X35 series is the wrong timing of the glasses sync programming slipped in the wrong time for switching, making it the strong ghosting responsible.

The engineers have fixed the problem and now a firmware update program that can later be flashed in any X35 and eliminated the problem completely 3D. We were able to convince yourself: With the update, the X35 achieves the same good 3D Ergebnsse, as in pre-production model.

All owners who hope but now, download the update from the JVC website, and even flash in the projector can be disappointed: This update is only possible via a special interface, which can be opened for connecting the projector also has. In other words: An update is only available from JVC service.

The manufacturer regrets the mistake and promises to take care of as soon as possible to etwaig necessary updates. As of this week, no X35 with the firmware bug multiple delivered. New buyers still have access soothes, while all concerned are "early adopters" asked to contact their local dealer to order time-level update in conjunction. The JVC dealer trained care of this for you!

Also, we are now waiting for the updates of our test devices, so we our soon
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post #1803 of 4161
12/11/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

dj, you are pretty certain there wouldn't be a VW95 v.2.0 ? If that's the case I will go ahead and get the HW50.


yes, Im pretty sure - but Sony has the rights to change their opinion later ! biggrin.gif so dont trust me completely on this, because they are dependent off customers, technical progress, the "marked" , the competitors and so on - so nothing is ever 100% safe.

But sadly, I think the rumors of a 95ES+ is wrong, but like Zombie10k, I think it could have been a very popular model ( I prefeerd and bought the 95ES instead of a X70/RS55 )

If you want to get a projector in the area of the HW50 price level within the next period of time !? - I would buy the HW50 too smile.gif ( I think it is very good for the money and a very good allrounder ) or maybe check the X35 out too, and see what you like "best" / or hitting your needs / requirements most - btw. I have not seen the Epson´s , so cant tell anything about them - but I think Zombie10K and his tread/test is a very good source for "relatively" ( positive meant smile.gif) objective advice and info , but do go and see for your self, if you can !


dj
Edited by d.j. - 12/11/12 at 1:30pm
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post #1804 of 4161
12/11/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

bump to the next page, this is important info on the X35/RS46. We have to wait for more info from JVC US.
The information I received from the Australia distributor is that the first batch of Australian units shipped to Aus later than the European ones shipped to Europe, and as a result the X35's received in Aus have the fixed firmware already installed. I won't know for sure until I pick mine up later in the week.

Given that the RS46's appear to have gone into circulation in the US around the same time as Australia (and maybe even later), I wonder if they too will already have the fixed firmware?

It's a pity that none of the European reports that I have seen list the version number of the dodgy firmware for comparison with the US RS46's and Aus X35's.
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post #1805 of 4161
12/11/12 at 2:16pm
Best probably to wait on what JVC wants. I'm sure they will take care of us if we need our units flashed.
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post #1806 of 4161
12/11/12 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by HyperReality View Post

It's a pity that none of the European reports that I have seen list the version number of the dodgy firmware for comparison with the US RS46's and Aus X35's.

An affected forum member, szeti, confirmed that he had firmware 29.001 with his problem unit.
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post #1807 of 4161
12/11/12 at 2:39pm
I'm sure posted that my UK X35 has firmware 29.001 but there are so many different thread for these new projectors it may have got bured somewhere. However I didn't even buy the 3D glasses and emitter so I've no idea what the issue is and what it looks like. I will get mine updated at some point just to protect resale (though in practice I'll probably keep it so long it'll not be worth much by then as my HD350 is now...).
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post #1808 of 4161
12/11/12 at 3:06pm
If in fact the X35 3D fix was done on some eeprom, the Firmware version would stay the same.
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post #1809 of 4161
12/11/12 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by Xood View Post

If in fact the X35 3D fix was done on some eeprom, the Firmware version would stay the same.

agreed. if this requires a fix with a special cable, it's not likely going to show in the firmware update.

Our 4810 will be here tomorrow, so we'll get a chance to see the 46, 4810 and the older 55 at the same time with the 3D scenes used in the shoot-out.
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post #1810 of 4161
12/11/12 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Our 4810 will be here tomorrow, so we'll get a chance to see the 46, 4810 and the older 55 at the same time with the 3D scenes used in the shoot-out.
Wall fly is barely able to hang on, the suspense is killing me!eek.gif ...and RS-56 arrives Friday! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif (thanks Zombie for all the info on these forums - they made my choice possible!)
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post #1811 of 4161
12/12/12 at 12:17am
jvc Center call to replace my rs46 streaking problem. 1 week delivery.smile.gif
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post #1812 of 4161
12/12/12 at 2:23am
Having to send back a projector that I been waiting months sucks. I am a person that never really complains but this would suck.
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post #1813 of 4161
12/12/12 at 12:45pm
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The RS4810 is here. So we have the RS46, RS4810 and last year's RS55 for a bit of a JVC 'mini-shootout'.

I'm looking forward to seeing the e-shift 1 vs. e-shift 2, etc. Also 3D comparison, etc.

on a side note, I watched a few 3D movies on the Epson 5020 last night. Step Up 3D was shot in native 3D and is crystal clear with some great 3D effects during the dance scenes. This movie looks excellent on the Epson with no visible crosstalk. I went back and checked the scenes from Grand Canyon and Sammy's Adventures. The Epson's 3D performance overall is impressive. I would have liked to see the SR and FI in 3D, but this won't stop anyone from enjoying the 3D on this affordable projector.

Also, in regard to flicker, it's the closest I've seen to the 3D DLP. The 3D image overall is nice and solid, more so than the HW50 where I can detect some slight flicker out the corner of my eye, but this is subjective since I am very sensitive to refresh rates.
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post #1814 of 4161
12/12/12 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The RS4810 is here. So we have the RS46, RS4810 and last year's RS55 for a bit of a JVC 'mini-shootout'.
I'm looking forward to seeing the e-shift 1 vs. e-shift 2, etc.

Alright!! This is what I have been waiting for. Very interested in your observations of eshift1 vs. eshift2 and to hear if the contrast is better on the 4810 vs. the 40/46 even though they are all rated at 50,000:1. I unfortunately am one of the few who can't see 3D so I can't wait to hear your 2D pq observations.

Mike
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post #1815 of 4161
12/12/12 at 2:43pm
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Also, in regard to flicker, it's the closest I've seen to the 3D DLP. The 3D image overall is nice and solid, more so than the HW50 where I can detect some slight flicker out the corner of my eye, but this is subjective since I am very sensitive to refresh rates.

Again, this makes me think that flicker on the HW50 is due to the lamp pulsing.

Epson (confirmed by you) & Panasonic (confirmed by me) do not have any flickering in 3D.

Meanwhile, ghosting on the Panny is pretty poor. So in terms of ghosting:

Epson is better than Sony which is better than Panny.

Which makes me wonder what Epson has done to reduce ghosting if their panels are pretty much the same as what goes into the Panasonic (hence it's probably not liquid crystal response times that help Epson in the ghosting arena).

Would've thought Sony would've had the best ghosting performance due to the lamp pulsing (dimming the lamp as liquid crystals are switching).
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post #1816 of 4161
12/12/12 at 4:02pm
I have a question regarding my power cord for my JVC R46.

The cord is not long enough to get to my outlet what do you suggest using ? Or can you order a longer cord?
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post #1817 of 4161
12/12/12 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

agreed. if this requires a fix with a special cable, it's not likely going to show in the firmware update.
This thought troubles me - if that is the case, then how do we tell whether a given unit has the fix applied or not (unless the fix has two parts, one of which includes an update to the ?29.001? system firmware version)??

I'm assuming here that the problem is a subtle one rather than a "3D is totally useless" one? I don't recall the reports saying in detail what the problem is beyond saying "there is a problem".
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post #1818 of 4161
12/12/12 at 4:54pm
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I have a question regarding my power cord for my JVC R46.
The cord is not long enough to get to my outlet what do you suggest using ? Or can you order a longer cord?

You could buy a longer power cable from Monoprice. I would rather install a new outlet.

I have the opposite problem. I only need a 1' cable. rolleyes.gif
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post #1819 of 4161
12/12/12 at 4:57pm
Well at first I planned on ceiling mounting so when I had the house built I added a outlet to the ceiling. Then came along zombie and the others and I decided to get a high power da lite screen. So now I have to wall mount in the back of my room.

This thing is heavy I'm going to have to rig something up to hold this dang thing.
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post #1820 of 4161
12/12/12 at 7:27pm
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and so it begins...

jvc-shootout.jpg



For those interesting in an affordable A-lens, this is the Panamorph CineVista Lens . It's a new lens in a much more affordable price range. I've always wanted to see one of these in action, so i'm excited to check this out with the new projectors. The BQ W7000, Epson 6020, All the JVC's and the Sony HW50 support the stretch feature.

This is a prelease version, the final will have a nice finished coating. I'll add some impressions on this lens over weekend.


jvc-shootout-1.jpg
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post #1821 of 4161
12/12/12 at 8:09pm
It's a new look! The projectors aren't sitting on the pool table this time and the HW50 is MIA. eek.gifsmile.gif
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post #1822 of 4161
12/12/12 at 8:11pm
Jason, Only thing missing in that picture above is the Sony redface.gif
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post #1823 of 4161
12/12/12 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

It's a new look! The projectors aren't sitting on the pool table this time and the HW50 is MIA. eek.gifsmile.gif

don't worry, the HW50 is certainly part of the mix. I have another coming before the weekend.

RS46 on top, RS4810 on the bottom. Can you take the suspense? I'm feeling a little tired tonight..... cool.gif

jvc-shootout-2.jpg
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post #1824 of 4161
12/12/12 at 9:09pm
Liar lol
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post #1825 of 4161
12/12/12 at 9:57pm
Does the 4810 have the automatic lens cover?
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post #1826 of 4161
12/12/12 at 9:59pm
Wow, that is a very affordable lens. Pending your feedback, this has be now waffling again on selecting a screen aspect ratio.
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post #1827 of 4161
12/13/12 at 12:33am
Interested to hear about this lens as it's been discussed a bit in the 2.35 forum. However, as it is their basic model it doesn't have the extra correction elements so there will be fringing towards the sides of the image which means you need to to use the zone pixel adjust to resolve, which in turn reduces resolution, so seems an odd thing to combine with a projector bought for having higher resolution to start with.

Be good to start seeing how you get on Zombie, though it's a little late for me now since I've already got mine (so I don't want to hear how much better the other models are than mine, right? biggrin.gif )
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Does the 4810 have the automatic lens cover?

No it doesn't. (Or rather the X55 doesn't for sure).
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post #1828 of 4161
12/13/12 at 1:17am
I would like very much to see zombye´s comments on the diference of the 2d and 3d picture between the epson 5020, sony hw50 and jvc rs46. Brightness, color, black level, shadow detail, convergence and uniformity. About the SR vs RC vs eshift, i think i have another teory! I think all of them are based in sharpness algorythms and so whith an affordable HTPC we can easy have the same results or even better ones if you have a power HTPC. What costs an oppo we make an htpc. Me and a friend of mine compare a top of the line denon bluray that cost the double and my htpc, and the picture was way better and in that time we have not yet discovered the power of the sharpness algorythms. Bottom line for HTPC users, native sharpness between the epson, jvc and sony is the key for us to know who have the best picture quality possible in therms of sharpness when using a very good HTPC. Sorry about the bad english.
Thanks
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post #1829 of 4161
12/13/12 at 1:32am
Well I had a friend over and popped in a few Blurays just to see the R46... Amazing picture so far.. I am impressed with the quality... I am sure a calibration of the unti will push me over the top.
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post #1830 of 4161
12/13/12 at 1:53am
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Originally Posted by HyperReality View Post

This thought troubles me - if that is the case, then how do we tell whether a given unit has the fix applied or not (unless the fix has two parts, one of which includes an update to the ?29.001? system firmware version)??
I'm assuming here that the problem is a subtle one rather than a "3D is totally useless" one? I don't recall the reports saying in detail what the problem is beyond saying "there is a problem".
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