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Are you sure abot that? Or was it in Rec709 preset where the cinema filter is in the lightpath? Then the brightness will be low, thats correct, we saw it ourselves in a test.
The cine4home-Test reports a calibrated brightness of 1100 lumens, calibrated based on Normal Mode without the cinema filter, see the table in chapter 3.3: http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/Panasonic_PTAT5000/PT-AT5000_Test-Final.htm

And the new 8000 should be even brighter..

However the on/off CR was not very good with the 7000 (or 5000 in europe.... I hate all those different names in different markets for the same product. That's like brand names of GM cars in different parts of the world...)

Oh well, the myth about crosstalk being a video problem and not a monitor problem persists. Here's a quote from the I Robot review.

"I didn’t notice any distracting instances of crosstalk or other video related anomalies." It's only a video related anomaly if you're watching on something other than a DLP. Zombie's work that reveals it is the technology that's the problem and not the transfer just hasn't filtered through to all of those who watch 3D on this forum. Too bad, but it's good to see Zombie hasn't given up and keeps fighting the good fight.

Rec709 is a picture preset that uses the internal "pure color filter", like the Cinema1 mode does. In this mode the gamut is bigger than HDTV standard and that is due to the pure color filter. On the other hand it looses a lot of light because of that filter.
Rec709 is the preset that should come close to the HDTV standard, and that is the case, but it uses also the pure color filter and this is what I do not understand. Therefore its also very dim.

Ekki now used a picture preset that does not use the filter, and these are for example the Dynamic and the "Normal"-preset. In Dynamic he writes that he wasn't able to get the color temp to 6500 K so he used Normal mode and calibrated to 6500 K, and the result is 1100 lumens calibrated (wideangle; 950 lumens in telephoto).

+1, these other PJ's have left the Panny in the dust in several areas, it's not a bad projector at all, but it's definitely loaded with an overall package that needs to be improved greatly. I know people get mad at me when I say that, but oh well, it's just what I think. Does that mean the image isn't good, no, the image it produces is very film like for an LCD especially with its smooth screen (it's a nice image), but DLP and LCOS are still better for a more refined and consistent film image.

I'd agree with you there. My last Panny was an AE900 and I haven't looked back since, lol. Fixed your above post too by the way.

BTW Zombie, I gave you a plug for your reviews in the news forum, hope you like it:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435618/respected-avs-forum-member-launches-this-years-projector-shootout-reviews
Edited by coderguy - 10/25/12 at 8:11am

There you did it....now he will get the big head, start being surly with the media and want his contract renegotiated......

I know, I had the Panasonic AE 3000 and 4000. My JVCs are so much better in 2D, that I would not even consider another one. Plus, those dust blobs are ridiculous.

A bit off topic, but heck, if someone has some good news worthy topics about new and exciting AV products, PM them to me and I will create a news article.
OK sorry for the OT for a sec, now back to our irregularly unscheduled programs.....

Here's some new and exciting Reality Creation just in time for Halloween. Enjoy!

Thats pretty impressive. Those pattern look very clean.

So, on the BenQ 7000 there no ghosting at all? Not even a faint? On all differents sources you have see? I mean 100% ghost free all the time?
Edited by RickAVManiac - 10/25/12 at 4:52am

All 3D DLPs are visibly (human) 100% ghost-free (unless the manufacturer has screwed up something). Zombie has demonstrated this with his photos for both the 3D Benq 7000 (DLP) and his 3D Acer (DLP). Slowly the truth is getting out! If you want totally ghost-free 3D images you're going to have to go with DLP. There are other types of projectors that are catching up, but for now DLP rules for ghost-free 3D images.

Thanks for the input. I was thinking that the JVC are in another price range altogether, (+25%) so didnt seem a fair comparison, but I was wondering how the AE8000 would compare to the (slightly cheaper) Epson 5020. In any case, for me I think it is a moot point, if the 5020 has 80ms+ lag.

I will be considering the Sony at premium pricing ($4k!) if it delivers the goods, especially in 3D brightness levels and fan noise. Looking closely, thanks!

Call AV Science on the Sony. I did.
Edited by Frohlich - 10/25/12 at 6:08am

Much higher for AE8000, according to same reviewer.

Cinema 1= 643 @ 7053
Cinema 2= 1175 @ 8554
Game= 1245 @ 10199
Normal= 1285 @ 9746
Dynamic= 1898 @ 7757, 1255 lumens with AI off
Rec. 709= 622 @ 6695
D-Cinema= 643 @ 6437

Yes, and he wrote that that was based on Rec709 where the Projector loses a lot of light, as I wrote in the other post.

cine4home managed to calibrate it in normal mode and get much higher lumens!
Normally I trust cine4home more than others..

Well the other non-Rec 709 modes have a bouncier IRIS and some more inconsistent issues.

622 and it was only at 6695k, not even calibrated.
Still even worse than Epson 5010, but the only way any of us would know for sure is to calibrate it ourselves.

Just a little detail about no ghosting on dlp's. The dlp projectors do not cause ghosting, but the 3d glasses could under certain circumstances. One example is the Monster/Optoma rf glasses. If you tilt your head only slightly back it will introduce ghosting. The ultraclears were a bit more forgiving with head tilting. The ghosting was only visible on very high contrast images. Of course if you kept your head tilted properly there would be no ghosting.

I am so stuck on which projector I want, it's painful. Dedicated theater, 106-110 inch screen and stuck between the Sony HW50, the Panny AE8000, and the Epson 6020. Decisions decisions

Why did you scratch off the hc8000, I mean it might not be as good as it looks since the hc7800 fell short, but we don't know until Zombie reviews it.
We are all stuck until Zombie finishes, he's going to need at least 3-4 more weeks probably.

For me, between the three...

Sony without question.

And the Sony is bright enough for 3D? I'm assuming manufactures spec's on these things should be taken with a grain of salt, kind of like a samsung home theater in a box that claims 2000 watts.

I missed that I thought it was calibrated. In any case, VERY close to D65 imho.

I have a batcave, black everyting, 1.0 screen at 104".

Im kind of assuming the Sony is going to be unwatchable with that level of brightness. I come from a Sanyo Z2000 that is capable of around ~350-400 lumen calibrated best mode, and I found it plenty bright for my room (although now bulb has dimmed a lot). Still watchable, very nice.

Anything close to 1000 lumen will likely be blinding, no? I'm kind of hoping for a PJ with fixed IRIS setting so I can either lock it down to a specific IRIS setting, or at least set a max IRIS setting while leaving it dynamic. This is what my Sanyo can do, although I never used it because it was not needed to cut down the light at all.

How Importaint is 3D to you, and are you going to get the unit calibrated?

If 3D is super importaint get a DLP.

If only ~ 1 out of 10 movies, I would still get the Sony. You are not running a massive screen, so 3D should be just fine.

Did Zombie post the lumens in 3D mode?