Sony HW50 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5020 / JVC RS55 / JVC RS 46 / JVC RS4810 / JVC RS56 Mini-shootout... - Page 83

Originally Posted by mark haflich 

The CMS was fixed on the later 9000. Anything bought today would have the fix. There is some ghosting but most peoplerreally don't care about 3D that much. Some of course do but I will repeat, the vast majority just doesn't.
Zombie. I just purchased Finding Nemo in Bluray and 3D to replace my old copy which i haven't watched in years. Hopefully they have changed the script abit. Yea right. It will be interesting to watch it in 3D because unlike other than animation most films just dpen't translate to 3D conversion. Animation converts fine because it was computer generated in gthe first place.cMan I can hardly wait for my Redray 4K player and some new content and then in 4K, high bit length.
I think many participate here and buy a new projector every year or two because they are bored silly with their movie library and are desparate to use their theaters. A new projector gives us a miserasble exuse to tinker and play and watch all our stupid flicks over and over again. When a new flick comes out, like vampires and transformers take on the alien invaders, it makes headlines on AVS with people reporting on it. Man there is so little content beggers can't be chosey; We have this big investment and we have to use it. Of course you can become a reviewer like Zombie and you never will have that problem again. All content becomes basically a needed test pattern for repeated use, over and over again, and you never have time to watch for watching sake anyway. Please can you remeasure the fan noise at 1.79 meters away and use an A weighted rather than C weighted scale. The specs say 28 db and mine measured 29.25 and I want to know if this is normal or whether I should return it?
I saw Laurence of Arabia on a super wide theater screen when it first came out years ago. Then I watched it a few years ago (maybe 5) on DVD and from memory because I was very young when it came out the DVD kinda sucked in comparison. Now I just purchased it in the restored version on blueray. Just like most blurays it reportedly suffers from drastic edge enhancemen and here changes to the color palet. Most here are blissfully unaware how much Blurays suck compared to the native medium without the edge enhancements etc. I can hardly wait for the Bluray to arrive. Maybe they changed the ending which is presented in the begining anyway. How many here have ever watchedLurence of Arabia?

Originally Posted by toni1 

Also : Addiction raises unsatisfaction level and the the need for (nearly) always for more and more , better and better

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

although I have to admit, 'TED' was funnier than I was expecting it to be. A foul-mouthed talking Teddy Bear does have some comedy to it.

Originally Posted by Geof 

And this foul mouth grumpy old bastard can be funny at times too .....it's just to bad I'm not cute like a Teddy Bear though....
I understand the push for 4K and I'm wanting it like most here. That said I wonder if it's realistic to expect many titles to ever be released. Most folks are content with LCD TV's and DVD and internet video. In fact I'd bet most probably wouldn't benefit by switching to BluRay, much less 4K (depending on TV size and seating distance). I guess I'm skeptical that 4K won't go down the same path as high res audio.

Originally Posted by dougri 

I completely agree... I'll PM my shipping address so I can dispose of your old system when you upgrade

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

no one is arguing that 12bit 4K content isn't going to be amazing. The point is, it's an extremely niche market at this moment since the vast majority of the population doesn't have a 4K resolution projector that costs $25,000 retail. You guys are lucky that RED is such an early adopter of technology that was created to generate steam for their new 4K projector.
Who is going to be able to easily access the Sony 4K content server in the near future? Are you guys really relying on Sony to update the VW1000 in a few years if a new HDMI standard is established? who knows what Sony will be doing in 2+ years from now.
I can't wait for 4K to come to earth at reasonable prices in a few years with content that is as readily available as BD is now. Who wouldn't want better PQ for the same price? We just have to wait.

Originally Posted by coderguy 

Sometimes different is better when not really better. The same old pic gets boring, I sometimes want to de-upgrade my JVC to get a different image, but I want something that can still do MOST things well. This is where a high-end DLP might come in handy, but honestly to me LCOS now looks too close to DLP to be that much different, but I never saw a top-of-the-line Marantz (seen the Runcos though).
The Runcos didn't look as different to me compared to the mid-priced DLP's as some people claim, but I only saw it in a showroom. The blacks looked better, but not great to me (they are ok), but nowhere near JVC blacks unless the projector was just miscalibrated. The blacks looked like a Panny 7000 or maybe a notch better, not even as good as the Epson IMHO (but getting kind semi-close). I am treading in dangerous water stating that, it was sharper though, but hey that's what I saw (again in a showroom).
Edited:
I think it's because some people try to evaluate black levels only on how dark the black is, but the key is overall contrast (how bright are the whites while still relatively dark blacks). The second point is why it's hard to evaluate black levels, IRIS's can make it dark, but it makes everything darker (as we know). On every DLP I've seen, the blacks are not only not as dark as the JVC, but the contrast is still more washed out. The Epson has pretty good native on/off though, and so does the Sony. The DLP's cheat with an IRIS more so I think.

Originally Posted by mark haflich 

My rant is about Blurays. Forget about 4K. They suck in comparison to DCI 2K feeds which of course I just a tiny bit higher than 1080p in resolution,
the masses here including my good friend who is very very knowledgeable have not a clue as to how bad they are in comparison. If you did, you would be screaming. We are victims of technological compromises. Who needs better? Everyone here. If DVD was Ripple, and Bluray is a Gallo Jug. DCI2K is a fine fine wine. There is that much difference.

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

The best part is the auto-cal. I am going to turn the lights out, and go upstairs for 45 minutes to make breakfast and watch the progress from my laptop. this is tool cool!!

Originally Posted by Toe 

Very much appreciate the tips Zombie. Just curious, is there an advantage to adjusting the gamma manually vs letting the auto calibration do it? I will try and not obsess over the results as far as perfection goes which might be a challenge for me!
I am loving the 3d on the 7000 so far! It is just as you have described. Zero ghosting and zero flicker and it cant be overemphasized how much impact this has on the 3d experience as a whole. Not only is the 3d better since it is cleaner in general which allows you to fully take in the effect without any distractions, but knowing there is no chance of even seeing any ghosting allows my mind to not even worry about if/when that might pop up which allows me to fully focus on the material. One thing I do find annoying though vs the 40/45 is neither the TrueDepth or the ZD201s hold a sync as well vs the JVC system. The TrueDepths are better than the 201s, but both have issues at times it seems. Having said that, as long as I just sit and watch a movie as I normally do without getting up or unusual head movement, both pairs so far seem to hold their sync well enough. I am curious to see how this holds up as I watch more 3d.
Combine the above with the FI in 3d which is everything I had hoped for and maybe even more, and 3d has gone up a couple levels overall vs the RS40/45 for me. FI is something I have always craved for animation and documentary type 3d blus since I love using this feature for this type of material in 2d. What I was not counting on was how much better the FI is on the 7000 vs my 40/45. Low setting on the 7000 is MUCH more natural looking and just works more evenly/smoothly in general. With the JVC, once a panning type scene gets to a certain speed, the FI chokes and starts stuttering which kills some of the effect. The 7000 does not choke in this same situation and maintains a nice smooth effect throughout the pan with either low or medium (I have not tried high yet). This is huge IMO for 3d titles like Grand Canyon, Under the Sea, etc......., anything animated and helps pull you even further into the experience. For me, I simply would not want to be without the option of FI for 3d after experiencing it.
A few little issues I have come across which wont be an issue for most.
-The red flash as far as the DLP link system goes is a bit odd. When zoomed out for 2.35 on my CIH screen the red bars spill onto my screen wall and can actually be noticed in dark scenes even through the glasses which can be a bit distracting. Even with my flat black painted screen wall, the red bars still can present themselves at times which NEVER happens with the more standard black bars. Not a big deal in my setup as I found putting up a black piece of velvet or this light absorbing telescope material that I have (very similar to what they use on our DaLite screen frame) for the first ~6" under the screen will eat this red light up enough that it is not noticeable anymore with the glasses on. So while this will be a non issue for me once I spend ~20 minutes to tame this with the velvet/telescope material, I can see this being a potential annoyance for some CIH zoomers depending on what their screen wall looks like and even what equip they have directly below it if any.
-The other thing which I am concerned with which I still need to test when I get the projector in its permanent mount (I just have it sitting on the rear shelf right now) is how well this manual lens will hold up under extreme LFE when the room pressurizes. I have not owned one manual lens projector yet that did not have issues as far as this goes and chances are this 7000 will be the same. This is one reason why a motorized lens is a huge advantage IMO and I am definitely missing this from my RS40/45. The whole zooming from one aspect to another and especially the focus part of this exercise is MUCH more user friendly with a motorized lens. I am curious how the 7000 lens will do though once I get the unit stable on the back shelf and with the sorbothene feet and pad underneath which should help. I will report back after I test this out.
I did have a chance to compare the Optoma ZD201s vs the TrueDepth. Basically, I liked everything about the TrueDepth glasses as well or better vs the ZD201s except for one thing which is how much rear room and face reflection there is in the lenses which has always been a pet peeve of mine with 3d glasses in general. Because the lenses are considerably smaller on the ZD201s, there is significantly less face and/or room reflections that you can see in the lenses (in my room/setup at least) which creates less distraction for me. If not for this one thing which may or may not be important depending on the individual (it is for me), I would choose the TrueDepths for a variety of reasons. The TrueDepth performance is practically identical to the ZD201s to my eyes and at the same time holds a sync better which I know you mentioned as well. The thing that will have me keeping and using the ZD201s though is simply the improvement in rear room/face reflection, and these 201s are by far the best at eliminating this that I have seen of the various 3d glasses I have used either for HT or at a commercial theater. For anyone who is annoyed by this, these ZD201s do have an advantage here IMO due to the smaller lenses.
So yeah, so far so good and I am happy with this projector for a 3d only type unit at this point. If I had to make any other complaint it would be that even with my ~2.4 real world gain off my HP that I am getting with the 7000 in its current location, I still would love more brightness for 3d even with the ~1100 lumens this machine is throwing out. While this is a complaint I suppose, it is a complaint I will have with ANY 3d projector on my screen until we get ~2000 useful 3d lumens or so to play with which might not happen for a while in this price bracket. Relatively speaking though, the 3d image is nice and bright vs my JVCs and what I have seen in other various setups so I am happy from that perspective.
On an unrelated note, I am now officially on the hunt for a cheap laptop to aid in my calibration adventure. If you or anyone else has any advice on where I can get a decent cheap laptop, shoot me a PM please.

Originally Posted by zombie10k 

how about some silly putty? A few pieces flattened over the outside of the lens against the zoom ring might work. (MacGyver would do it..)
is the lens shift moving or just the focus?

Originally Posted by RonF 

Yeah yeah yeah.....but did you see the rainbows with that thick internal crosshatch pattern I warned you not to look at.....how'd you like them babies? Come on....you checked it out right? Or if not....you know you want to But yep, 3D with the W7000 perfectly centered on an only 8.5' wide 16x9 2.8 HP with ideal max brightness viewing angles rocks!!