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post #2671 of 4327
12/29/12 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

This is totally the wrong forum to discuss the art of DIY screen construction and asking if a particular material is siuitable for a particular projector.
Go to the screen forums. Before I completely bitch slap you smile.gif,.
Oups, sorry I am switching between many forums ( fora ? ) and of course had to pick the wrong one biggrin.gif

But thanks for the answer anyway ....
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post #2672 of 4327
12/29/12 at 4:21pm
One can post and participatehere forever without buying a new projector to replace one 4 years old. Why spend money when you can be here to fulfill your spare time. You will save all that money on electricity and bulbs too.
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post #2673 of 4327
12/29/12 at 4:22pm
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@ xb1032 - did you sort out your glasses sync issue? I meant to post this for you. Can you see all the sensors lit up? it's a bit dim, but does have visible light.

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post #2674 of 4327
12/29/12 at 4:26pm
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Not yet, but I'm really close. I've just got to convince myself that 2D BDs will look as good or nearly as good as the converted stuff like Avengers and Men in Black III. I'll probably order one in the next day or two after I check my bank account and review the Christmas carnage. biggrin.gif

Well, it's going to be hit or miss as to how well the conversion works. Some modes don't work really well for complex shots (that is, shots with lots of small details and/or diagonal lines and/or very contrasty objects). I find the movie mode the most effective for a lot of film and television content. I actually like the Bee better than the iRobot conversion (that used JVC tech). IMO it was very poor. They have a good return policy, though, so you can always send it back.
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post #2675 of 4327
12/29/12 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

Zombie, you are the master of screen shots.....

hi zombie as a fellow photographer, I must say you do a great job with the screen shots too. what are you using as dslr / lens and what are you focusing on to get exposure on ? or camera mode using as yeah great results
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am using panasonic IR glasses (that came in the avataar bonus pack) myself and seem to do a good job no probs. the epson IR glasses seem a good option as over glasses for those that wear spectacles smile.gif
zombie have you had a chance to check out the new JVCs with their RF glasses as yet ?

I know you probably cant answer all the questions thrown at you but wondering re above and whether had the chance as yet ? just wondering if the jvc RF glasses help the 3D at all ?
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The HW50 are 5020 are my favorite 'all around' 2D/3D projectors this year even though they are quite different. The Epson has wide pixel spacing, so there is a small chance of catching the pixel structure with a large screen at a close seating distance. I am @ 14 feet from my 142" and it doesn't bother me, but I've seen it once in a while in very bright BD's like the Art of the Flight.
To answer the Q, why the Epson vs the Sony, the Epson has some very bright 'torch' modes for ambient light viewing. This could be a requirement depending on the setup. The Epson also has great RF glasses that are bit more comfortable that a Sony. Much of this come down to personal preference. The Sony also has FI in 3D which is a welcome addition. the Epson is brighter than the Sony in 3D.
If your used to the older Mits and Epson LCD's, the 5020 or the HW50 would be a great upgrade.

interesting I always thought that was a factor of screen weave ? ie like a moire where screen weave matches pixel structure, is this pixel structure not visible on other pjs ? have also seen ocassionally very bright snow scenes explosions etc smile.gif
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post #2676 of 4327
12/29/12 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

hi zombie as a fellow photographer, I must say you do a great job with the screen shots too. what are you using as dslr / lens and what are you focusing on to get exposure on ? or camera mode using as yeah great results

I know you probably cant answer all the questions thrown at you but wondering re above and whether had the chance as yet ? just wondering if the jvc RF glasses help the 3D at all ?

interesting I always thought that was a factor of screen weave ? ie like a moire where screen weave matches pixel structure, is this pixel structure not visible on other pjs ? have also seen ocassionally very bright snow scenes explosions etc smile.gif

Hi, thanks for the comments. The camera is Nikon D90 with a small 18-55 lens that is great for the 'behind the glasses' screenshots. The exposures are manual and adjusted to reflect a general idea of what it looks like on my HP screen which is quite bright since I keep the projectors near eye level for maximum gain.

I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to see the 3D glasses. I don't expect a major difference, the lumen output isn't going to change. The 5020 is one of the brightest i've seen so far, @ 1400 3D lumens.

The pixel structure on the 5020 doesn't bother me @ 14 feet from my 142" screen. I was mentioning it since someone with good eyes, a closer seating distance, etc might catch it in a bright scene. It's a none issue for me.
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post #2677 of 4327
12/29/12 at 9:26pm
This is an amazing thread and I am getting some great info for an eventual upgrade. I am coming from an epson 8350, so any of the 3 I am considering will likely be amazing. What I am trying to figure out is the brightness in calibrated 2d mode along with the contrast in that 2d calibrated best mode for these three projectors: hw50, 5020, and rs46. I would prefer 3d not be completely worthless, but it is hardly a high priority for me. I have a 140" screen 1.1 gain, so my biggest concern is a nice bright image with great black/contrast in 2d. It sounds like if I am willing to swallow fairly useless 3d that the JVC is the best combo of 2d brightness and contrast, but what I can't quite figure out is what does a better job at brightness with good contrast in 2d between the sony hw50 and the epson 5020. Anyone know which has the darker blacks while maintaining a nice bright image?

Thanks again for all the amazing info in this thread thus far.
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post #2678 of 4327
12/29/12 at 9:38pm
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First viewing with the ceiling blackout. This took longer than I was expecting since I had to custom cut a number of tiles. You can see I still have some more work to do. The grid will be blacked out with either the Dalite velvet 'pro-trim' or the telescope material.

I've been waiting to do this until I found the exact 2x2 tile I wanted. I wanted it pitch black and flat, no texture. The prime-acoustic surface is covered with a very dark black fiberglass material. It's eats light up even in the brightest scenes on the HP screen.

Since my screen is so close to my ceiling (it's basically an entire wall @ 12 ft wide) the light was causing major reflections around the room. Now it looks like tunnel with the exception of grid which I'll have done soon.

Overall an amazing transformation. Between this and the buttkickers, I'm in HT nirvana tonight. biggrin.gif


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2nd photo is overexposed a bit to show the grid. This is the Epson 5020.. it looks very good overall with the Dark Knight Rises. It's not quite like the JVC in the darkest scenes, but it can definitely hold it own with this movie.


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post #2679 of 4327
12/29/12 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

First viewing with the ceiling blackout. This took longer than I was expecting since I had to custom cut a number of tiles. You can see I still have some more work to do. The grid will be blacked out with either the Dalite velvet 'pro-trim' or the telescope material.

I've been waiting to do this until I found the exact 2x2 tile I wanted. I wanted it pitch black and flat, no texture. The prime-acoustic surface is covered with a very dark black fiberglass material. It's eats light up even in the brightest scenes on the HP screen.

Since my screen is so close to my ceiling (it's basically an entire wall @ 12 ft wide) the light was causing major reflections around the room. Now it looks like tunnel with the exception of grid which I'll have done soon.

Overall an amazing transformation. Between this and the buttkickers, I'm in HT nirvana tonight. biggrin.gif


blackout.jpg


2nd photo is overexposed a bit to show the grid. This is the Epson 5020.. it looks very good overall with the Dark Knight Rises. It's not quite like the JVC in the darkest scenes, but it can definitely hold it own with this movie.


blackout1.jpg

Man that looks amazing. I am now on prowl for blackouts and HP screen to redo my room. I have already warned the WAF to expect a little neck warmth to deal with the pj warmth across the neck. Any reco's on who to contact for a screen like yours, awesome !
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post #2680 of 4327
12/29/12 at 10:03pm
@zombie10k can you please post the same film scene with hw50es?
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post #2681 of 4327
12/29/12 at 10:04pm
That looks awesome Zombie! Nice work! smile.gif
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post #2682 of 4327
12/29/12 at 10:11pm
Nice work. I did something similar in my previous home theatre bed-room. It was a basement bedroom. I glue gunned my own black felt onto the tiles and then painstakingly put it on the grid too. I blacked out the ceiling almost as far out as the screen height, and also blacked out the sides, all with black velvet. It did a good job, except, back then, it actually made the high black levels of my projector stand out.
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post #2683 of 4327
12/29/12 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

@ xb1032 - did you sort out your glasses sync issue? I meant to post this for you. Can you see all the sensors lit up? it's a bit dim, but does have visible light.
RC1-22.jpg

Not yet and thanks for the tip!

I setup my RS45 in the same location and moved it to the side so that I could place the external JVC emitter right where the Sony emitter was and it worked fine. I toyed around with it some and I could simulate the same problem I am seeing by aiming the JVC emitter at an angle towards the side. I'll have to look at the emitter to see if I see all the lights one like in your pic. It's almost as if the emitter isn't aimed correctly inside the projector but I do find it odd that the Sony glasses are picking up the signal much better than the Xpands.

Mike is going to contact Sony to see if I can get an external emitter instead of replacing the unit.

The black levels aren't quite as good as the JVC however I'm really starting to like this projector. We watched Christmas Carol (Allistar Sim Black and White version) and it looked very good. With FI on low the motion looked better than the JVC and with RC set at it's minimum the pic looked nice crisp. Even my wife is noticing the difference in clarity which comments like that doesn't often very happen.

Nice look with the tiles. You'll have to note how much difference in contrast you see with darker carpet. I have light tan carpet with a finished black ceiling but I wonder how much reflections actually reflect back onto the screen from carpet considering that.the HP screen reflects light back at the projectors lens instead of in every direction.
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post #2684 of 4327
12/29/12 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

@xb1032
Even in HTPC, does RC help the text appear sharper in HTPC, just curious?...

I checked a Panasonic Blu-Ray screen text as well as the Sony Menu text for RC and when turning on and off the text was slightly clearer but it looked like the text was changing to bold font. This wasn't as noticeable on the larger font in the Panasonic Blu-Ray Menu but it was noticeable on the smaller Sony font for Reality Creation.
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post #2685 of 4327
12/29/12 at 10:35pm
hey ZOMBIE new member, still trying to decide between x55 jvc and the sony hw50 (not released here yet) I am unable to view an of these in the area only the 6020 so whats u final thoughts. I love blacks as black as they can be but want a allround good pj some 3d but mostly 2d bluray from oppo. screen will be 120'' 16 x9 1.3 gain ? any screen shots comparing the 2 would be great cheers chriso
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post #2686 of 4327
12/30/12 at 2:34am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Hi, thanks for the comments. The camera is Nikon D90 with a small 18-55 lens that is great for the 'behind the glasses' screenshots. The exposures are manual and adjusted to reflect a general idea of what it looks like on my HP screen which is quite bright since I keep the projectors near eye level for maximum gain.
I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to see the 3D glasses. I don't expect a major difference, the lumen output isn't going to change. The 5020 is one of the brightest i've seen so far, @ 1400 3D lumens.
The pixel structure on the 5020 doesn't bother me @ 14 feet from my 142" screen. I was mentioning it since someone with good eyes, a closer seating distance, etc might catch it in a bright scene. It's a none issue for me.

thanks zombie smile.gif
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post #2687 of 4327
12/30/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

The only difference I can find regarding the JVC RS 4810 is they call it a media room projector vs the RS48 where they don't specifically say "media room". Also there is this AVAD stuff:
Long lasting performance and added value
Specialized final QC
Available exclusively through AVAD custom installers
3 year parts & labor warranty
What is the deal with the 4810 vs the 48?

You summed it up. Same projector, but supposedly better QC and has a longer warranty. Otherwise, same machine.
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post #2688 of 4327
12/30/12 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by havok2022 View Post

You summed it up. Same projector, but supposedly better QC and has a longer warranty. Otherwise, same machine.

So bizzare that they already have two different projector lines, one "consumer" and one "pro" with virtually identical projectors, and then they chose one, the RS-48 to make another virtually identical twin, the RS 4810, and...they charge another $100 for it. Just weird. So you've got the X55, the RS48 and the RS4810. Somebody has to come up with better numbering systems, especially when the numbers start overlapping. There is an RS55 and now an X55. It can be confusing. Anyways...just my observation.
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post #2689 of 4327
12/30/12 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

First viewing with the ceiling blackout. This took longer than I was expecting since I had to custom cut a number of tiles. You can see I still have some more work to do. The grid will be blacked out with either the Dalite velvet 'pro-trim' or the telescope material.
I've been waiting to do this until I found the exact 2x2 tile I wanted. I wanted it pitch black and flat, no texture. The prime-acoustic surface is covered with a very dark black fiberglass material. It's eats light up even in the brightest scenes on the HP screen.
Since my screen is so close to my ceiling (it's basically an entire wall @ 12 ft wide) the light was causing major reflections around the room. Now it looks like tunnel with the exception of grid which I'll have done soon.
Overall an amazing transformation. Between this and the buttkickers, I'm in HT nirvana tonight. biggrin.gif

I started with white walls and ceiling when I got my first projector, some 11-12 years ago. I remember holding up a dark blanket while seated to try to mask out the ceiling and part of the walls, just to see how a darker room might affect the image. biggrin.gif Soon thereafter, I redid the room. To this day, it remains the single biggest improvement I've ever made to my home theater. My room is not even close to being a bat cave. I have dark navy and gray walls and ceiling, and a dark blue carpet, but there are lighter colored accents and paintings here and there. It's still shockingly better looking than it was. A projector with better contrast is great, but IMO the advantage is largely wasted without a dark viewing environment.
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post #2690 of 4327
12/30/12 at 10:32am
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BQ-EPSON.jpg

W7000 vs Epson 5020 - 3D Only - This is my own personal 'mini-shootout' but you're all welcome to join in for the ride. Most know I prefer to run a 2nd projector for 3D. the New JVC's this year went in a difference direction with 3D, so that's not an option for me this year. I have to expect we are looking at a full ground up refresh for JVC in 2013, the limitations of the 1st gen 120hz panels have been realized and they will have to step up in a huge way next year since i'm sure Sony, Epson and the other CEM's aren't sitting still.

The criteria are the following:

  • Flicker - highly subjective, but I am really sensitive to this. Any 3D DLP > Epson 5020 > HW50 ~ HW30 > JVC. The Epson is quite good, definitely better than the Sony and certainly vs. the JVC. I have to see how close it is to the DLP in a direct A/B.

  • Contrast - We know the W7000 is lacking here but it generally looks very good with Optoma ZD201 and Truedepth glasses. I have a number of 3D titles with dark scenes and will have to see how much a difference this makes. The Epson looks exceptionally good in dark scenes.

  • Brightness - I have to calibrate both behind the glasses for final #. Out of the box, the Epson has ~300 lumen lead on the W7000 with colors that look pretty good behind the glasses before calibration.

  • Glasses - DLP link requires the red flash signal from the screen. I've tested 1/2 dozen different DLP link glasses, some hold the sync better than others. When we have visitors with young kids, they are losing sync often (from moving around) so this is something I have to consider. The Epson RF glasses are my # 1 pick for factory glasses in regard to performance and comfort. Definitely more comfortable than the Sony glasses.

  • Frame Interpolation in 3D - Some people love or hate FI, but many agree it has major value with 3D titles. Maybe's it's because our eyes are trying to follow the 3D effect vs. staring flatly at the center of the screen in a 2D presentation. This is a sore spot on the 5020 since I was watching it last night and there were a number of times I wish this projector had it. It won't be any surprise if we see this in 10 months on the 5030 (or whatever the next model is called). It works excellent on the W7000 and creates an 'easy on the eyes' 3D presentation.
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post #2691 of 4327
12/30/12 at 11:19am
Not sure if this is the correct place for this question/photo, but I've moved to a loft downtown and I have the benefit of a gorgeous skyline view, however, at the expense of a ton of ambient lighting. Would it be crazy to think a 5020 or HW50 could project a decent image with this much ambient light? I watch 99% movies and an occasional sporting event. I am in the process of making curtains that will help some also.

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post #2692 of 4327
12/30/12 at 11:41am
OK, take this for what it's worth, but after spending 2 hours watching 3D on a 5020 I'm in puppy love at least. The 3D BLOWS AWAY the JVC 40 (but you already knew that thanks to Zombie).
Out of the box it looks pretty good in 2D too, but I barely watched it for that. The JVC has a smoother picture but I'm thinking some calibration can improve the Epson to be an acceptable all-around projector for lots of folks (I'm still planning on keeping the JVC for 2D). Again, I'm TORTURING this thing with a 23 foot throw onto a 12 foot wide 1.1 gain screen for scope (like PROMETHEUS), and I honestly think this dark film looked as good as when I saw it at the theater (and I know that's not always praise, but I saw it at a pretty decent venue).

Brightness aside, it's GHOSTING where this really shines - I really couldn't see ANY compared to the JVC. MONSTERS VS ALIENS bridge scene? OK, maybe just a hint but I had to really look for it. Now I know on a higher gain screen you might catch more, but honestly, I really couldn't notice it in normal viewing.
Zoom-in scene to the number 4 clock in the opening of HUGO? Always a HUGE ghost on my JVC on the white clock face. 5020? None.

Convergence and sharpness look good too, not quite as good as the JVC (I got a good one first time out) and I'm not doing critical testing, but standing right up next to a white screen uniformity and pixels looks pretty solid.
Would hate the lack of power zoom and shift for day to day viewing, but as a 3D only unit, no problem, the controls are easy to use on the top of the projector at least. And the range of them for placement purposes is really wide, I set it on a shelf below my JVC and had it focused and level in 5 minutes.

And yes, the glasses are lighter and USB charge fully in about a half hour, really good synch lock in my theater as I walked around and tilted my head.
I'd have to say that for the price point, and if you are a rainbow-sighter as i am, this is looking to be the clear winner of the current batch for 3D fanatics such as myself.

Thanks again Mr. Z10k! You really helped me make this decision here. I have a 30 day return policy in force, but so far so good.

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post #2693 of 4327
12/30/12 at 11:43am
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Hi, thanks for the comments. The camera is Nikon D90 with a small 18-55 lens that is great for the 'behind the glasses' screenshots. The exposures are manual and adjusted to reflect a general idea of what it looks like on my HP screen which is quite bright since I keep the projectors near eye level for maximum gain.
I'm not sure when I'll get a chance to see the 3D glasses. I don't expect a major difference, the lumen output isn't going to change. The 5020 is one of the brightest i've seen so far, @ 1400 3D lumens.
The pixel structure on the 5020 doesn't bother me @ 14 feet from my 142" screen. I was mentioning it since someone with good eyes, a closer seating distance, etc might catch it in a bright scene. It's a none issue for me.

14 feet for a 142´´ screen is not a very short distance? Visual acuity " ideal" viewing distance is 18.5 feet for 142``.Viewing too short doesnt we loose some picture quality?
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
http://carltonbale.com/home-theater/home-theater-calculator/
The pictures of the 5020 are awesome. Is it just me or zombie is starting to fall in love to the epson 5020?
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post #2694 of 4327
12/30/12 at 11:55am
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14 feet for a 142´´ screen is not a very short distance? Visual acuity " ideal" viewing distance is 18.5 feet for 142``.Viewing too short doesnt we loose some picture quality?

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
http://carltonbale.com/home-theater/home-theater-calculator/

I think much of it has to do with personal preference in regard to the seating distance. I like sitting close because my 2D primary projector is the RS55 with the e-shift technique which completely eliminates the appearance of the pixel grid. It's about as close as you can get to the smooth, film-like appearance of a CRT.

I do like the 5020 for 3D, but the lack of FI is something I have to figure out. It's really a shame they chose not to put this in because it would have been near perfect for my preferences.
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post #2695 of 4327
12/30/12 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

So bizzare that they already have two different projector lines, one "consumer" and one "pro" with virtually identical projectors, and then they chose one, the RS-48 to make another virtually identical twin, the RS 4810, and...they charge another $100 for it. Just weird. So you've got the X55, the RS48 and the RS4810. Somebody has to come up with better numbering systems, especially when the numbers start overlapping. There is an RS55 and now an X55. It can be confusing. Anyways...just my observation.
To add the the confusion, I'm pretty sure here in Canada the x55 and line come with a 3 year warranty. Same as the RS4810. It still has a silver focus ring instead of gold though.smile.gif
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post #2696 of 4327
12/30/12 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by tgse3 View Post

Not sure if this is the correct place for this question/photo, but I've moved to a loft downtown and I have the benefit of a gorgeous skyline view, however, at the expense of a ton of ambient lighting. Would it be crazy to think a 5020 or HW50 could project a decent image with this much ambient light? I watch 99% movies and an occasional sporting event. I am in the process of making curtains that will help some also.

Hi, you would need a projector with some serious horsepower with that much ambient light. Covering those windows with light controlling curtains will obviously go a long way. The 5020 has a torch mode which is around ~2000 and can be used with some ambient light, depending on the screen size, projector distance to screen, etc.

For total daytime viewing in that photo, I don't think it would be reasonable since the screen is going to get washed out.
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post #2697 of 4327
12/30/12 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

BQ-EPSON.jpg
W7000 vs Epson 5020 - 3D Only - This is my own personal 'mini-shootout' but you're all welcome to join in for the ride. Most know I prefer to run a 2nd projector for 3D. the New JVC's this year went in a difference direction with 3D, so that's not an option for me this year. I have to expect we are looking at a full ground up refresh for JVC in 2013, the limitations of the 1st gen 120hz panels have been realized and they will have to step up in a huge way next year since i'm sure Sony, Epson and the other CEM's aren't sitting still.
The criteria are the following:
  • Flicker - highly subjective, but I am really sensitive to this. Any 3D DLP > Epson 5020 > HW50 ~ HW30 > JVC. The Epson is quite good, definitely better than the Sony and certainly vs. the JVC. I have to see how close it is to the DLP in a direct A/B.
  • Contrast - We know the W7000 is lacking here but it generally looks very good with Optoma ZD201 and Truedepth glasses. I have a number of 3D titles with dark scenes and will have to see how much a difference this makes. The Epson looks exceptionally good in dark scenes.
  • Brightness - I have to calibrate both behind the glasses for final #. Out of the box, the Epson has ~300 lumen lead on the W7000 with colors that look pretty good behind the glasses before calibration.
  • Glasses - DLP link requires the red flash signal from the screen. I've tested 1/2 dozen different DLP link glasses, some hold the sync better than others. When we have visitors with young kids, they are losing sync often (from moving around) so this is something I have to consider. The Epson RF glasses are my # 1 pick for factory glasses in regard to performance and comfort. Definitely more comfortable than the Sony glasses.
  • Frame Interpolation in 3D - Some people love or hate FI, but many agree it has major value with 3D titles. Maybe's it's because our eyes are trying to follow the 3D effect vs. staring flatly at the center of the screen in a 2D presentation. This is a sore spot on the 5020 since I was watching it last night and there were a number of times I wish this projector had it. It won't be any surprise if we see this in 10 months on the 5030 (or whatever the next model is called). It works excellent on the W7000 and creates an 'easy on the eyes' 3D presentation.

Zombie, thank you for this, you are indeed, "The Man." This is very helpful/useful information.
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post #2698 of 4327
12/30/12 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

So bizzare that they already have two different projector lines, one "consumer" and one "pro" with virtually identical projectors, and then they chose one, the RS-48 to make another virtually identical twin, the RS 4810, and...they charge another $100 for it. Just weird. So you've got the X55, the RS48 and the RS4810. Somebody has to come up with better numbering systems, especially when the numbers start overlapping. There is an RS55 and now an X55. It can be confusing. Anyways...just my observation.
The 4810 is specific to AVAD. I suspect AVAD had JVC "rename" the RS48 so they could offer the RS4810 with an additional year of warranty and an additional QA inspection.
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post #2699 of 4327
12/30/12 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I think much of it has to do with personal preference in regard to the seating distance. I like sitting close because my 2D primary projector is the RS55 with the e-shift technique which completely eliminates the appearance of the pixel grid. It's about as close as you can get to the smooth, film-like appearance of a CRT.
I do like the 5020 for 3D, but the lack of FI is something I have to figure out. It's really a shame they chose not to put this in because it would have been near perfect for my preferences.

Can epson put FI in 3D with a firmware upgrade? That would be an inteligent move in a comercial way, if it puts it to be the best under 5000€! In 2D is under the top 3 based on the reviews online i think. The JVC rs46 at first and hw50/5020 in a close second
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12/30/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

BQ-EPSON.jpg
W7000 vs Epson 5020 - 3D Only - This is my own personal 'mini-shootout' but you're all welcome to join in for the ride. Most know I prefer to run a 2nd projector for 3D. the New JVC's this year went in a difference direction with 3D, so that's not an option for me this year. I have to expect we are looking at a full ground up refresh for JVC in 2013, the limitations of the 1st gen 120hz panels have been realized and they will have to step up in a huge way next year since i'm sure Sony, Epson and the other CEM's aren't sitting still.
The criteria are the following:
  • Flicker - highly subjective, but I am really sensitive to this. Any 3D DLP > Epson 5020 > HW50 ~ HW30 > JVC. The Epson is quite good, definitely better than the Sony and certainly vs. the JVC. I have to see how close it is to the DLP in a direct A/B.
  • Contrast - We know the W7000 is lacking here but it generally looks very good with Optoma ZD201 and Truedepth glasses. I have a number of 3D titles with dark scenes and will have to see how much a difference this makes. The Epson looks exceptionally good in dark scenes.
  • Brightness - I have to calibrate both behind the glasses for final #. Out of the box, the Epson has ~300 lumen lead on the W7000 with colors that look pretty good behind the glasses before calibration.
  • Glasses - DLP link requires the red flash signal from the screen. I've tested 1/2 dozen different DLP link glasses, some hold the sync better than others. When we have visitors with young kids, they are losing sync often (from moving around) so this is something I have to consider. The Epson RF glasses are my # 1 pick for factory glasses in regard to performance and comfort. Definitely more comfortable than the Sony glasses.
  • Frame Interpolation in 3D - Some people love or hate FI, but many agree it has major value with 3D titles. Maybe's it's because our eyes are trying to follow the 3D effect vs. staring flatly at the center of the screen in a 2D presentation. This is a sore spot on the 5020 since I was watching it last night and there were a number of times I wish this projector had it. It won't be any surprise if we see this in 10 months on the 5030 (or whatever the next model is called). It works excellent on the W7000 and creates an 'easy on the eyes' 3D presentation.

How did they compare in overall 3 d perception , I mean depth and popup ?
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