Sony HW50 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5020 / JVC RS55 / JVC RS 46 / JVC RS4810 / JVC RS56 Mini-shootout... - Page 93

For anyone doing this in the future. If your walls are open the best thing to run is conduit!!! You can then change cables as you need if one doesn't work like a long HDMI run or as standards change in the future.

I bought the Sony 50ES from Mike at AVS (recommended!). My previous projector was the JVC RS1. For me it is a significant improvement overall due to the increased brightness, better colors and smother motion. The image is also sharper but some of that may be due to the RC. I have not found it wanting for black level and that is even with the much higher lumen output than my old JVC. I have a light controlled room but so far I have left it in the high lamp and full iris mode. I have been very happy with the 3D image so far. I have Monster Vision glasses and one Optima pair (prefer the Monster but they are similar).

Is anyone with the Monster glasses using custom settings with this projector? If there is a secret sauce for the HW50 and these glasses I would like to try it. I played with the settings but ended up leaving them at the defaults. I read there is an iso file that has some of the 3d test images. If it can be shared can someone PM me a link or provide it here?

Thanks

You can buy the JVC 3D RF emitter for ~$80 and then buy the Samsung SSG-4100GB RF glasses for around $20/pair. I have the JVC glasses and Panasonic RF glasses and both work fine with both my Panasonic plasma and my JVC projector w/ RF emitter. Since the Samsung glasses are compatible with the Panasonic plasma, they should also work fine with the JVC RF emitter.

I wouldn't mess around with IR glasses because you might run into sync/line-of-sight issues that you won't have with RF.

Has anyone confirmed that the Samsung SSG-4100GB RF glasses work with the JVC RF emitter?

Hey guys,

I am a new Epson 5020UB owner ans was wondering as to why the shootout put this sub 3K projector againest the high end Sony HW50 and not the HW30?

Thanks.

The JVC 46 is under 3k, the Benq 7000 is under 2k, the Mistubishi 8000 is under 3k. The cost isn't the purpose of this review. The results are, and ironically the 5020 fairs well for itself against similar priced options depending upon which criteria you compare it.

I'm using the XPand 104 with the JVC IR emitter from last year with my RS46. Relatively inexpensive and I've had no issues with line of sight. I like the XPand software that lets you update the firmware and tweak the shutter open and close delays. I don't have the JVC glasses to compare to.

I got the Benq w7000 in today. I have no 3D glasses. I will have to edit this post later, what I say here means very little to nothing at the moment, but first impressions.
Before I say what I'm going to say, keep in mind Benq owners that I am being VERY picky and OCD on what I see...
Also keep in mind I bought this PJ for 3D not 2D.

My very early 2D ONLY impressions:
1) Sharpness, pretty much equal to the JVC given position the Benq's lens shift is in. I will have to play with lens shift more. Up close, the Benq does appear to resolve pixels a tiny tiny bit finer than the JVC, but in real terms of viewing, they are the same from seating distance.

2) RBE, the RBE is less than the Mits hc4000 even in 4x mode, this is because the Native On/Off is clearly lower on the Benq. When changing to 6x color wheel speed, I really didn't see any RBE, although I didn't fully extensive testing yet. The Benq is better in HTPC than the Mits hc4000 (not by a mile), in HTPC the JVC and Benq look almost equal in sharpness, but the JVC appears perceivably sharper due to higher contrast with pixels only slightly away (not MTF so to speak, but let's call it a "few pixels over" contrast). If I were buying a projector just for movies and were not RBE sensitive, the Mits hc4000 would be my pick over the Benq w7000 mainly due to cost savings.

3) Image Noise, on most content it looks perfectly clean, but the image appears noisier in my reference level disk "Tree of Life" than either the Viewsonic Pro8200, Epson 5010/8700ub/8500, Mits hc4000, or JVC (as well as a tad noisier than many other projectors). This very well might be my calibration or gamma settings or something, I haven't calibrated anything on it yet. There is a noise reduction setting, this helps some.

4) IRIS, seems a bit too tame for my tastes. Will try to adjust later.

5) Native motion, I cannot make a call yet though, too early.

VERY early thoughts, I may be wrong on some of these points as I still have to adjust the image.
Edited by coderguy - 1/3/13 at 12:07pm

Where I am (like last year) the Sony is significantly more expensive than the Epson. It is fifteen hundred dollars more expensive and that translates into 60% more expensive. Should we compare the Sony against a $6,500 projector (60% more expensive)? I suspect where you live and what these products sell for in your area has relevance to those who want to purchase them. I bought an Epson 6010 last year for significantly less money than what I could have purchased the Sony for at that time.

What country are you in? Here in the USA, based on my research the difference in "street prices" between an Epson 5020 and a Sony HW50 is less than 16%.

BTW, AVS is a dealer for Sony, it may be worth it to call them for a price quote if they ship to your country.

Yup, Canadian pricing for the Sony HW50ES is significantly more expensive than the Epson 5020, and pricing for the JVC X35 is about halfway in between the 5020 and the HW50.

Been researching home theater projectors for about 4 months now and thanks to this thread I finally settled on a Sony HW50ES. I received my unit 2 days ago. This is my first projector and I'm still waiting on my 119" Da-Lite HP screen to arrive so I've just been projecting the image on a curtain.

Unfortunately even if the Sony HW50ES has been on the market in Europe for a while I received a unit with the buzzing problem (serial number seems to be under 20). My dealer ordered the projector for me so it hadn't been gathering dust in any local store. Getting a unit with such a low serial number and the issue still unresolved surprised me this "late" in the game. I'm usually very sensitive to any kind of annoying noices; buzz, whining or any other high pitched annoyance. Without a fix to this issue I don't think watching any 3D would be a pleasant experience, the projector is mounted right behind my couch a bit over eye level so its placement just makes it worse. I've contacted my dealer and it seems like Sony will replace the projector, but I haven't received any confirmation from Sony yet. I'll report back when the issue is resolved.

Otherwise too early to comment on the projector yet, I have a Darbee waiting as well to get tested. Thanks goes to Zombie for his work testing these nice pieces of equipment, I'll report my own findings when I get my screen.

Hi guys... I recently received an X35 (RS46).

Very happy overall, however I can hear a fairly high pitched squeaking/buzzing noise which is distracting in quiet scenes. It's not that loud but its pitch makes it noticeable.

At first I thought it was the fan, but when powering on the noise actually seems to start slightly before the fan kicks in. When powering of it seems to stop before he fans stop.

Was hoping to get some feedback on whether this is normal and what it could be? If anyone has time to check, it's easy to check if you get close and listen to the right and left vents. Do you hear anything other than the fan?

I'm also seeing some very slight flickering on solid screens, such as the blue no-signal screen. So I'm starting to think it could be the lamp?

Would appreciate any feedback. Also, my unit has been updated to the latest switcher version and I have the RF glasses.

@All friends i have 2 questions

1- I read somewhere when we calibrate sony its brighter than epson, is this right?

2- Why do we need and use FI in 3d at sony?

Thank you

First the Sony FI is very good. I did not think I would like it but I love it.

I am not sure if this will help but here was my rating summary from reading this thread (flame suit on):

Light controlled dark room and

Priority is 2D with inky blacks and "film like": JVC
Priority is 2D with smooth motion and brightness: Sony, Epson
Priority is 2D and some 3D: Sony, Epson
Priority is 3D and some 2D: Epson, Sony, Benq
Priority is 3D: Benq, Epson, Sony
Best all around: Sony, Epson

Non light controlled room and

Priority is 2D with inky blacks and "film like": Not available
Priority is 2D with smooth motion and brightness: Sony or Epson
Priority is 2D and some 3D: Epson, Sony
Priority is 3D and some 2D: Epson, Sony
Priority is 3D: Epson, Benq, Sony
Best all around: Epson, Sony

I know my categories are a little non sensical but I am curious where others would rate differently.

I too struggled between the JVC (4810), Sony and the Epson but I went with the Sony. I have good light controlled room.

Thanks

No squealing noise or flickering on mine. Try running the lamp on high for a while to see if the flickering persists.

Mine is on it's way from Czech warehouse and I've been wondering all the time, is it possible to get buzzing unit in europe since these have been available for a while now. Guess I got my answer and if I got buzzing unit, I'm gonna resolve the situation at that time.

Actually, I found for real selling prices there isn't near that gap. Not near as bad as it used to be. I did speak to AVS and was happy with the price they quoted me but I could buy local in Canada from a dealer for basically the same price and then no shipping or potential warranty hassles.

For all JVC projector owners - I contacted JVC support about the missing in action smartphone app. Following was their reply:

___________________________________________________________________

White, Lorenzo (LWhite@JVC.com) 5:00 PM

To: dionyz

Hello there seems to be a slight delay on the app, the target date is 1-23-2013.

Thank you so very much

Do any of the major chains sell any good 3D glasses, my order didn't come in, so no glasses for weekend on Benq (no fun)...
Best Buy, Walmart, Fry's, etc...

Done, I ordered from another vendor originally and it was changed to est shipping Mon.
After re-placing order choosing 1-day instead of 2, now says Est arrival tomorrow, let's see if this place changes it to Mon

Hi Josh. You know I like and respect Spectracal and you. However, your response does not reallysay anything more nothing more than we like what we do, we use NIST treaceability BTW ARE NOT A NIST LAB, what do you mean in our NIST labs?). If you want to talk NIST call me, I authored their organic legislation which was enacted almost literally the way I drafted it. The only thing I didn't author was changing its name from National Bureau of Standards to National Insititute of Standards and Technology.

You basically say what you do is enough. A generic set of corrections is good enough and gets you close enough considering the tolerances of the uncalibrated meters. OK Fine. Tom feels individual calibration of the meters is worth the time and expense. You don't. Something I have learned about business and competitors, everyone does what they believe is necessary and the things that are important unlike their competitors. And they are probably all wrong.

Sony is supposed to be sending me an external emitter and hopefully this will resolve my issues. I plan on sitting my emitter above the Sony just like I did my JVC so hopefully that will work out fine. We'll see.

Dumb question guys, there is no emitter needed for the Benq w7000 for DLP Link, right?
I have the projector setup, but get glasses tomorrow (I hope)...

Yes, I have done 3D on other projectors. Actually it didn't even come with a lens cap either, but the refurb unit although scratched up pretty bad on the top, seems like the stuff that matters all works normally.
The lens has EXCELLENT focus uniformity and the pixels are sharp, cheers Benq is the master at taking a cheap lens and making it look like they spent 10x more.

DLPLink glasses don't require an emitter. Stray light seems to cause sync issues sometimes.